He is fucking stupid, and I am a democrat. This guy is clearly confused about the majority of if not all of the issues. I saw him on Leno and literally laughed my ass off at how idiotic he was.

The Best Song I have ever heard... I thought he was very clear with what he was saying... I'm a Democrat, and i think Conor captured what most democrats have been feeling for the past 5 years in a great song...

Who the fuck are you kidding, John?! You Republican hack... if you don't get it, perhaps it is simply beyond your intellectual capacity to comprehend, dumbass.

Where WAS this guy during Election 2004?
The lyrics make you think, don't they?

My "significant other" sent this email to "John" at his aol address, which is fuckoff@aol.com . She gave me permission to post this. You just posted her comments about Bright Eyes'" song.

"Dear John"
Nice aol address, idiot! Have you lost your mind?
I AM a Democrat and I can tell by what you have posted that you are no Democrat.

Did you know that the Florida State Supreme Court declared Election 2000 a FRAUD? I guess Conor knows about that as he has included that in the lyrics of his song.

Look down at your zipper, boy, your ignorance is showing...

Do you know any other words besides "fuck"?

I doubt it.

I doubt it.

Este

and who do brainchilds talk to besides yourselves ?

You all found history from a bunch of revisionists after 9/11 like a convict finds Jesus after being behind bars for 12 months

Este
"The lyrics make you think, don't they?"

So does Mein Kamf or Pol Pot

Should I get a Geetar for ya and start singing

off key with some lyrics so it can make you think ?

Este
"The lyrics make you think, don't they?"

So does Mein Kamf or Pol Pot

Should I get a Geetar for ya and start singing

off key with some lyrics so it can make you think ?

I had heard of bright eyes before...but never really got exposed to him.

When I saw his performance on the late show last night it really gave me a glimpse of hope. That music hasn't been totally dilluted by focus groups and "cool hunters," that music could still invigorate and make even our skeptical mindsets stand up.

I come from a mid-western republican family.....but this guy....bright eyes...this guy has something no one else in the music biz has right now...BALLS...and when you mix ballsyness with relevance...you can tickle people's emotions. Great to see it. I've downloaded some of his tunes and I'll be at his next show in Chicago.

forget islam, george bush is the real enemy, right nitwits?

As an older person who has all but given up on todays kids to do anything more then mouth back the RNC's owned spin zone(aka, FOXNews,sic) I am hopeful that the spirit of individual rights and collective freedoms are alive in at least some kids.
Of course, a draft would do much more to wake up our children to the spin, evil and corruption churning away in todays politics.
I always have only one thing to say to Bush/Rep supporters... Why arent you in the Army? Your support lacks All credibility when you sit on your hypocridical butts mouthing opionions you most obviously dont truely belive in. If you did, YOU would be in Iraq fighting for what yuo claim to support and belive in
SJ

SJ,
First off I am medically unable to serve. Although i did go to the recruiters for the SECOND time last Sept. to be told that I can not join.

Second,
Why do libs always think that to support a war, you have to be in it?

Thirdly,
That reference about kids spouting RNC ala fox, was a joke right? Our kids have leftist rhetoric shoved down their throats from 1st grade till college graduation.

There are also many private sector jobs in Iraq to be had for those who are unable to serve in the military. Check the goverment web sites also. They too have non military positions for those who truely want to serve.
And thank you for being gentle in our discussion. It shows opposing sides can maintain respect yet still disagree. That too makes me hopeful
SJ

Saw Bright Eyes on Jay Leno last night. I have never heard a song that said so much about the state of politics in Washington over the last 4 1/2 years! I so admire him for not being afraid to talk about the scary Republican agenda!!

Scott
Houston, Texas

What scares me is the democrat agenda. Dhimmitude is not an option, and terrorism won't just go away. We have to destroy it.

SJ,
My family (cousins and uncles) has 5 members overseas on duty. Two of those are in Iraq, another in the Philipines dealing with islamists. I don't feel I HAVE to be there to support the war.

"...terrorism won't just go away. We have to destroy it."

What scares me is how many Americans still can't see the difference between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.

What scares me is how much like Al Queda the republican party (american government) is.

'If they disagree with us, kill them'.

Comparing repubs to islamists shows your idiocy. You are scared to death of islamists because they are an untangable enemy, so you make an enemy you can see. And btw, the left imploded, the repubs just had to sit back and watch. You act like children.

"What scares me is how many Americans still can't see the difference between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda."

What scares me is people who can't see how effective dragging al-qaeda into the open deserts of iraq was.

Calling any American political party a terrorist group is just an idiots uneducated way of lashing out at something he/she doesn't believe in and only shows how ignorant and dumb down you all are and both sides do it.I am a republican and i don't fear dems or libs. They have the right to believe what they want and i and most others would die to defend it because i am an American first. Biz is right you act like children...with no disipline. Supporting the war is just that SUPPORT however you can.Only someone wanting to destroy would pick apart someones effort to support. How dare you judge SJ. What have you done to support your "cause" and for that matter what is your "cause". Like many of your belief you just point and scowl but with only an adgenda of destruction on a personal level. You just keep whining about the same crap that your party keeps spinning out from both sides. If you don't believe me then watch and see how many attack me just for my belief and my political alignment.And as far as Bright Eyes goes---PLEASE. I've heard it all before. The same ole crap repackaged, renamed, and resold. Any smart person knows not to get their politics from any entertainer. Grow up.

fucking idiots who support republicans and give the government benefit of the doubt are the kind of sheep that represent why music sucks these days. failure to question authority, sucking money's dick, and loving shitty ass bands

wake the fuck up

our government is a group of former Oil CEO millionaires who could not give a fuck about you and your lame, killers loving, bravery t shirt wearing ass

When was the last time you stood up in front hundreds of thousands of people and made a political statement John? What have you done to support your own opinions and beliefs; or made a positive contribution of any kind?

"If you don't believe me then watch and see how many attack me just for my belief and my political alignment."

Says the person who just attacked someone and told them to grow up. Why do people even bother to say things like this? It just makes it seem like your trying look like a victim.

Biz said he wants to serve but is medically unable. SJ gave him some non-military suggestions. For Biz to then get defensive about it is just ridiculous. I don't think it's fair to say that to support the military you must serve in it, but the discussion was no longer about that.

dear SOC:
i doubt you have enough experience in the music industry to label the man named "most important indie rocker of the year" as "repackaged, renamed, and resold". in fact, i doubt you've even heard any of his music, other than what you might or might not have heard on Leno. Nonetheless, Oberst is one of the most important songwriters of our generation because he refused to be influenced by the industry. so i guess you can go back to listening to Toby Keith or whatever cookie-cutter crap you guys listen to, but the rest of us will keep trying to find something original. and, btw, i am a republican. I don't need to take my political views from an artist to enjoy his music.

i thought oberst was a songwriter with potential but it seems he's digressed into nothing more than another angry activist. he might be the musical michael moore. the tradegy in this is that the music is almost entirely obscured by the message. i'll take a musician over a politician any day. mixing the two can be done but can be disasterous. in my opinion "when the president talks to god" was/is a disaster.

can the leno performance even be considered a musical one? was it even a good political performance? the political statement of the song seems over simplified. if bush and god were both executed tomorrow i doubt it would suddenly be the catalyst for global harmony. everyone is entitled to express their opinion but sometimes it's nice to just hear a good song. subtlety can be a powerful device, one i personally prefer. i think most of us realise that we are living in tragic and desperate times. do we need our heartstrings raked? does anyone look to "the tonight show" for meaningful direction? when conor oberst doesn't talk to god does his ego tell him he wrote a good protest song?

oberst is not the new bob dylan. bob dylan is the new bob dylan.

Im an australian...so no doubt many of you that do not agree with my views will tell me to stay out of business that isnt my own, but still...

It amazes me how much venom flows around the place when "republicans" and "democrats" have at one another...and it also amazes me how much argument is never backed up by fact or figure...merely rhetoric like "patriotism" or "supporting the terrorists"

Your enemy is not islam, and its not terrorism...Think about it objectively...you have more risk of being killed by another American than a muslim terrorist.

And finally...there has been no terrorist activity directed onto US soil since 11/9 thats true....but using this as a support of Bush and his "anti terrorism measures" is a false argument...how much terrorism was around before "Situation - Orange alerts" etc.

The Australian flag flies next to the American in the eyes of the Islamic world these days...yet we still live our lives without attack or threat.

From an outsiders perpective looking in...(i obsessivley watch CNN, BBC and FoxNews when i get the chance)...it seems to me that many of you have let fear and prejudice cloud your judgement.

On a side note....you wanna stop a potential terrorist?....Drop a care package with food and medicine with the America Flag on it onto the doorstep of his family...You'll find it works much better than a bomb.

And sorry about the blobiness of this...ive got no idea how these blog things work...i cnat get line breaks or paragraphs

Hey look the paragraphs work now...

And if i havent cashed in my two cents on this topic too late, i look forward to recieving all the hate mail from republicans and NRA aficionados out there.

Keep it civil though...I enjoy a intelligent discussion....although swearing matches are fun too, they dont achieving anything.

I fell asleep with the TV on at 10, by some miracle , I awoke the second this man started singing on Jay Leno, I was frozen. Tears came to my eyes. Maybe there is hope that America's Hitler can be stopped before we go down in history as the 2nd Nazi Germany. I hope Bright Eyes isn't murdered by the CIA, a VERY REAL possibility, of course it would look like an overdose or drunk driving to discredit him as a "confused" man. He has more balls than any Marine.

Tom, Tom, Tom,
The ole nazi line, eh? Well, discussion is over, the nazi card has been played. Nice bit of projection, islam is actually very close to nazi-ism. Did you know that Hitler had Muslim SS troops trained in the balkians? Did you know that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was Hitlers personal guest in Germany for 2 yrs during the war? I know you didn't, your brain is frozen with Bush=Hitler Horse droppings.

And raz, I don't recall getting defensive, i just find it rude to be told to " go to iraq" because I favor military action. Thats like me saying "go be a human sheild".

And by the way, fascism doesn't mean what you want it to. It's just another dirty word you libs make up, like bush mchitler, and the american taliban. Do you have any idea how retarded your rhetoric sounds?

Tom ur not serious right? I mean cause if you are you may want to get a clue. Werdna, what experience do i need to know when i hear crap that sounds like someone elses crap who borrowed from someone elses crap. It's not good and thats just it. Most important indie rocker of the year means what to me? I have a family and a life. My kids think im the best dad EVER. What does that mean to you. Nothing right. Its a perspective thing. And yours is off. You suggest that i get mine from country music or "whatever". Isnt that a very small way to look at people and their views and doesn't that suggest how simple minded you really are that you assume i must be a redneck to not like your music or views. And you want me too believe that you are open minded enough to jugde music. Songwriters like Bright Eyes sing about issues like freedom of speech and religion and people like you who support his music don't even understand the real meaning of it. Although, i still think he's a no talent sucking up to his demographic so he looks like hes challenging something when all he's really doing is selling his same ole crap.It's called marketing 101. If he really wanted to be an "indie" rocker then he would leave MTV the Tonight Show and all other venues to the Cookie cutters. Bright Eys just got a bright idea on how to fool everyone into buying his imature rhymes that don't ryhme. BTW who's Toby Keith? LOL

I don't know who told the rethug that ISLAM is the enemy. How retarded. Islam is a religion. I don't fear a religion. I fear people who use religion to incite people to work against the common good/humanity. Neither Islam nor Christanity is pro-killing, but currently, a lot of killing is being done by members of both religions. The rethug needs to educate himself.

Oh, sorry thats right, he can't learn, cuz books can turn ya liberrrawl!

BTW, the Bright Eyes performance was awesome. Progressives need to keep speaking out. The writing is on the wall and the truth is on our side.

cindy,
Islam is not pro killing? Have you read the Qu'ran? I have. You have no idea about which you speak. Islam means "submission" in arabic and is spread threw the sword. Maybe you should educate yourself. Just because you pretend to be enlightened doesn't make it so. Your lack of knowledge about the REAL islam should be a reason for you to keep quiet on the subject, but like a good lib, you run your mouth about topics you know nothing of.

cindy,
I still can't believe the idiocy of your post. Islam is not pro killing. WOW! Yeah it's a bunch of murderous mormons over there. BTW, why does a lib like yourself go to bat for a backwards religion that keeps their women in bondage? 'Cause it's not christianity or judaism, right? Tool.

And Radical Christianity doesn't keep its women in bondage? They all sprang from the same well. Dufus. Like I said, read a book.

To paraphrase a quote you might be familiar with - "Religions don't kill people, people do"

Seriously, educate yourself. Don't be afraid, religion is a great subject to learn about. It has a rich history and it very relevant in todays culture.

Oh...one more thing... Guess which religion says "If a man dies before his wife has a child, then the widow must marry her husband's brother -- whether she likes him or not, and whether she wants to or not." Try Deuteronomy 25:5 , sounds unpleasant to me.

How about "If a betrothed virgin is raped in the city and doesn't cry out loud enough, then "the men of the city shall stone her to death." Try 22-24 . Death for not crying loud enough while being raped. I suppose that sounds downright feminist to you, huh?

And what about those Snake handlers? Polygomists?

All religions are only as good as those interpreting them.

Over there? Where are you talking about? Queens? Brooklyn? Detroit? Muslims have been American for a long time. Get over yourself.

Again, I ask, Show me the murdering christians. Big difference in quoting the OLD TESTAMENT, stupid. Only one religion is killing in the name of its god. And i have far more knowledge of islam then you. Tell me that jihad is an internal struggle. Your a pseudo intellectual. "read a book"? READ THE QU'RAN. You lack any substance in this debate. Go be a good dhimmi, after all, muslims are harmless. I love the comparison of christianity to islam. Name one case of a fundy christian killing his wife or sister over honor. Open your eyes, tool.

I think it is obvious that Islam is a religion of peace.

You miss the point again. Here maybe you'll believe your president ...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html

"Islam is Peace" Says President

"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam"

Islam is a religion, the people that pervert it, use it as an EXCUSE to kill. Just as in every religion. Look at the people who blow up abortion clinics, they kill a lot of innnocent people because they believe that is what God wants them to do. Does he? I doubt it. But I understand these peoples fustration, even as I totally disagree with them and there methods. They are Christian terrorists..

Okay, I have to get back to my job. Good luck with that hate. I hope it serves you well.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/001/1.32.html

Talking about this precise topic

"Look at the people who blow up abortion clinics, they kill a lot of innnocent people because they believe that is what God wants them to do. "

Are you talking Eric Rudolph? One example? Lots of people? Do you live in a parallel universe? You're an idiot.

Good luck being a tool of leftist rhetoric. "Islam means peace" lololol. Bush said that to be PC.

cindy,
from your link:

If this isn't about Islam, why the worldwide Muslim demonstrations in support of Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda? Why did those 10,000 men armed with swords and axes mass on the Pakistan-Afghanistan frontier, answering some mullah's call to jihad? Why are the war's first British casualties three Muslim men who died fighting on the Taliban side? . …[Islamists have] a loathing of modern society in general, riddled as it is with music, godlessness, and sex; and a more particularized loathing (and fear) of the prospect that their own immediate surroundings could be taken over—"Westoxicated"—by the liberal Western-style way of life.

They hate liberals and neo cons.

You aren't familiar with the art of taqqiyeh, are you? It means lying to further islam, such as "islam means peace" , no it means SUBMISSION!

There have been more than one act of violence at abortion clinics. See chart:
1/1997 Georgia BOMB $90,000+ 2 explosions. Eric Rudolph has been charged with the bombing but remains at large.
1/1997 Oklahoma BOMB $2,500 A juvenile was convicted in this and other arsons and bombings. Name sealed due to age.
1/1997 Oklahoma ARSON $7,000 A juvenile was convicted in this and other arsons and bombings. Name sealed due to age.
2/1997 Virginia ARSON $25,000 James Anthony Mitchell of VA pleaded guilty and was sentenced to ten years in jail in September 1997.
3/1997 Montana BOMB $2,000 JohnYankowski apprehended at clinic; convicted and sentenced to 5 years in prison.
3/1997 California BOMB $1,000 Container of flammable liquid thrown through the window.
3/1997 Iowa BOMB Unknown Remains open
3/1997 California ARSON Unknown Peter Howard, a local activist, put 13 gas cans and 3 propane tanks in his truck and drove it thru the clinic door. He was caught on the scene, pled guilty and was sentenced to 15 yrs in prison and fined $16, 320.87 for damages and restitution.
3/1997 North Carolina BOMB $50,000 Remains open
5/1997 Oregon ARSON $400,000 Remains open
5/1997 Washington ARSON $1,500 Remains open
8/1997 Alabama ARSON $250,000 Remains open
10/1997 Oregon ARSON $5,000 Remains open
10/1997 New York SHOOTING An unnamed physician was shot at in his home in Rochester, New York. James Kopp is a suspect in the shooting.
11/1997 Manitoba SHOOTING Dr. Jack Fainman was shot and injured in his home in Winnipeg, Manitoba. James Kopp is a suspect in the shooting.
12/1997 New York ARSON Minimal Remains open
Violence Statistics for 1998
DATE STATE TYPE ESTDAMAGE CASE STATUS
1/1998 Alabama BOMB $85,000 Officer Robert Sanderson was killed during a clinic bombing in Birmingham, AL. Emily Lyons, a nurse at the clinic was severely injured in the blast. Eric Rudolph has been charged with the bombing and is in police custody awaiting trial.
3/1998 California ARSON $5,000 Remains open
5/1998 Florida ACID Unknown
5/1998 Florida ACID Unknown
5/1998 Florida ACID Unknown
5/1998 Florida ACID Unknown
5/1998 Florida ACID Unknown
5/1998 Florida ACID $3,000
5/1998 Florida ACID Unknown
5/1998 Florida ACID Unknown
5/1998 Florida ACID Unknown
5/1998 Florida ACID Unknown
7/1998 Texas ACID Unknown
7/1998 Louisiana ACID Unknown
7/1998 Louisiana ACID Unknown
7/1998 Louisiana ACID $13,000
7/1998 Louisiana ACID Unknown
7/1998 Louisiana ACID Unknown
7/1998 Texas ACID Unknown
7/1998 Texas ACID Unknown
7/1998 Texas ACID Unknown
9/1998 North Carolina ARSON $17,000 Remains open
9/1998 North Carolina ARSON $7,000 Remains open
9/1998 North Carolina ARSON $200 Remains open
10/1998 New York SHOOTING Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed in his home in Amherst, New York. James Kopp was convicted of second-degree murder in state court and received the maximum sentence of twenty-five years to life in prison. He still faces federal charges of violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act.
Violence Statistics for 1999
DATE STATE TYPE ESTDAMAGE CASE STATUS
3/1999 Wisconsin ARSON $1,000 Peter Quinn, 17 admitted to this arson. He is being charged in state court as an adult.
3/1999 Wisconsin ARSON Minimal Peter Quinn, 17 admitted to this arson. He is being charged in state court as an adult.
3/1999 South Dakota ARSON Minimal Martin Uphoff was convicted of using explosives during a felony, and vandalism to a facility providing health care services (a FACE charge). Uphoff was sentenced to 60 months for the felony and 6 months for the FACE charge, to be served concurrently.
3/1999 New Mexico ARSON $3,000 Ricki Lee McDonald was convicted and sentenced to 30 months in jail.
3/1999 North Carolina BOMB Minimal Remains open
4/1999 Wisconsin ARSON $500 Remains open
5/1999 New Mexico ARSON $5,000 Ricki Lee McDonald was convicted and sentenced to 30 months in jail.
7/1999 California ARSON Minimal damage to the clinic. Approx $100,000 damage to the building housing the clinic. Benjamin Matthew Williams and James Tyler Williams pled guilty and were sentenced to 21-30 years in jail for this fire and three synagogue arsons.
8/1999 New Hampshire ARSON Approx. $20,000 Remains open
Violence Statistics for 2000
DATE STATE TYPE ESTDAMAGE CASE STATUS
4/2000 Kentucky ARSON Remains open
4/2000 Florida ARSON $2-3,000 Remains open
5/2000 New Hampshire ARSON $20,000 Remains open
7/2000 Vancouver STABBING
Violence Statistics for 2001
DATE STATE TYPE ESTDAMAGE CASE STATUS
4/2001 Kentucky ARSON Remains open
6/2001 Washington ARSON Remains open
6/2001 Washington BOMB $6,000 Remains open
Violence Statistics for 2002
DATE STATE TYPE ESTDAMAGE CASE STATUS
6/2002 Texas ARSON Remains open
Violence Statistics for 2003
DATE STATE TYPE ESTDAMAGE CASE STATUS
1/2003 Illinois ARSON Remains open
5/2003 Florida ARSON Remains open
9/2003 Indiana ARSON $2,000 Remains open

How we go from murder to arson is beyond me. Quit movin' the goal posts. Just forget it, you're right. Islam is peace. Dhimmi-up.

Biz and Soc,
Check your history. Prescott Bush was in business with Adolf Hitler in the 1930s, its not hidden, look it up if you know how to. If you think those Bush/Texas oil tycoons are any different from the Texas boys that killed John Kennedy, you are the type of brainless idiot that still believes "the single bullet theory" from Gerald Ford's Warren Commission. Don't think I just run off at the mouth. I graduated from an Ivy League Republican clone producer with my degree in Political Science and sat 4 seats away from Maureen Dean while her hubby John was ratting out his cronies at the Watergate hearings in 1974. So I have been at this for a long time, as long as you have been an empty-headed beer swilling asshole that our government just loves.

Soc,
Your family thinks your the BEST DAD EVER! How fucking impressive your political and educational resume is. My son loves me too and I raised him alone after his mother died 12 years ago. And did you read my statement? Cause I sure never heard of Toby Keith. And I never heard of Bright Eyes before seeing him on Jay Leno, I don't care about his career, I was just amazed to hear the truth about the Skull and Bones coke head alcoholic who lost 2 elections and is in the White House! That should scare any true patriot.

Conor is a genius and if you dont like it then shut the hell up

"Islam is not pro killing? Have you read the Qu'ran? I have. You have no idea about which you speak. Islam means "submission" in arabic and is spread threw the sword."

I'm a catholic, but I'm not going to pretend that the Crusades weren't a murderous attempt to spread Christianity through the sword...

People who feel that God is on their side and that it is their duty to enact his will upon other people are dangerous.

Period.

Extremist in Islam who kill infadels with sucide attacks and Presidents who start wars that kill thousands both feel that they are doing what is right, what God wants, and both are dangerous. My God doesn't condone killing people... and the Bible that Bush takes so literally is pretty clear when it comes to murder, lies and deception.

i thought this was about an alleged musical performance. the only recent post in regards to this was the brilliantly moronic post by kyle. is it your assertion that your arbitrarily conceived notion that conor is a genius precludes the rest of us from speaking simply because we don't agree with your opinion?

"I'm a catholic, but I'm not going to pretend that the Crusades weren't a murderous attempt to spread Christianity through the sword...
"

Good lord, are you kidding? The crusades were a result of the Caliphate seeking expansion into Europe. Are you truly that brainwashed? It was the reaction to the peaceful inner-struggle known as JIHAD. What is wrong with you leftist freaks?

Tom, i can't believe your serious. How can i take you seriously when you make those statements. Do you really believe that every person from Texas had something to do with Kennedy's death? LOL Get a clue man. Maybe you believe all people from the south have a gun in one hand and a beer in the other. Did that Ivy league college teach you those stereotypes or is the real truth that you are just another LEMMING tied to the strings of your master and your spoonfed that bull. And if you really (i doubt it) got an ivy league education then all i can say is MONEY WASTED. And why does every demi or lib try to balance out there argument with i know or was or dated a republican. I suppose you have plenty of black friends too. Also, when in any of my post did i ever hold Bush up on a pedistal.He is human. So are you. He has conviction--You Don't. You have fear which causes you do make him out into a monster the same way militant muslims are taught about the West.Infedels are to be feared and therefore destroyed. Do you really think they are given a balanced argument on what you or me or any person of any faith other than theirs believes. Tom how long do you think Bright Eyes would last in their camp. And are you really suggesting that Bush pulls the trigger on anyone who disagrees with him. Biz hit the nail on the head. You and all like you are TOOLS used with your ignorance to spread your hate that you camoflouge with the same ole libby rhetoric. If you or Cindy or whoever are such Progressives then lets progress. Going back to the same old argument and whiny finger pointed serves no purpose but to Regress us all back to square one. We used to be a Nation of many cultures,races, and creeds that melded all into ONE. United for One cause, One reason, One result. Now everyone wants to be seperate, they want there "identities" and not to be associated with another. The generation of "ME-American". We are no longer One United. We have regressed into name calling, finger pointing,and territorial battles. I don't no how much longer we can go on like this. It's pathetic.

Pretty sad reading through some of this drivel that people that supported attacking Iraq because Iraqi's were going to supply Ossama with nukes or bio weapons never backed down and have never admitted that the war was, at best, a mistake. Even after The Bush white house admits that Iraq never had any weapons and did not pose a threat to the US or any other country.

It boggles the mind of independent thinkers like myself.

During the build up to war, I told all my republican friends to err on the side of life and peace rather than head into war on a hunch that could not be substantiated. We saw how much respect for human life republicans have.

I love this song and every sentiment expressed in it is dead on. Bright Eyes put it ALL together in a great song that makes idiots out of ALL Bush supporters. If you repubs listen to it even you will know what idiots you are.

as far as the war is concerned, it appears to be very bad and getting worse. it's looking more and more like vietnam every day. there are people on every side from many religious and political persuasions guilty of contributing to and/or facilitating this war. i feel sorry for anyone who cast a vote for any of the presidential candidates on the ballot. i chose to let the majority pick my poison for me. none of this is relevent to the question of whether this was a good song or whether it is true. why is oberst so upset about a god he doesn't believe in? if bush had his palm read every morning would i have to hear a protest song about it on a comedy show? imagine you didn't speak english and you tuned into leno and witnessed that spectacle the other night. you'd prbably think music had sunk to a new low. i have to consider myself an ex-bright eyes fan not because of his beliefs but because of the enormous drop off in the quality of his music. listen to any song on "lifted" and compare it to "when the president talks to god", very disappointing.

Biz,
Islam means submission, as in, personal submission to god. Pretty standard religion stuff. It's etymologically related to salima, "he was safe", and salam, "peace". Again, personal peace, not some kind of euphemism for winning in war. The only person I've ever heard use "peace" in that way is Bush. Of course, you know all this, just like you know that we don't live in an Islamic state, and therefore can't be dhimmis, although...I suppose you COULD play the chicken little card and make that very claim if you so desire.

As for the Old Testament, you missed the point. By your own logic, Judaism is just as much a religion of terrorism as Islam, as it has the same textual evidence of violence and persecution of unbelievers. And sorry, but for all Catholics the Old Testament is just as much "true Christianity" as the New Testament. Now, I don't know the actual Catholic to Protestant ratio of the world, but for about 50% of Christians, give or or take, their conception of Christianity falls under your conception of terrorism as well.

Really, though, all this literalness doesn't matter: Jesus might have brought the sword to the Pharisees, but Christians have brought the sword to everyone else. And so have the Jews. And the Muslims. You can be pedantic and nuanced with your 50 shades of gray that the Right just loves to accuse the Left of, or you can just accept that this is the history of western religion.

By the way, to actually talk about Bright Eyes, When The President Talks to God is a bit too broad and obvious for me, even though the angry political song has been missing in action for too long (Jingoism is not a political stance so much as a mental deficiency, sorry Toby Keith et al). I think everyone can agree that Landlocked Blues is his true masterpiece.

"landlocked blues" is a much more effective song in terms of it being politically charged but more thoughtful and thought-out. i still don't think it compares to a song like "from a balance beam". i'm not personally ready for a rebirth of the angry protest song. maybe something more along the lines of "the ballad of spiro agnew".

Soc,
Its sad that ignorant people like yourself have to call me a liar. The "I doubt it" about where I went to college. Fuckin pathetic loser... how many times did you have to take the GED exam before you passed. You are blind to the realities of the evil men like Georgie Bush. And yes most of my friends are black, does that offend your conservative values...who cares. Do the world a favor and just keep your small minded ideals to yourself and please don't have children. You as a father is VERY SCARY..

I am in my 50's no longer a republican because of Bush(league). BEST song I have heard in a long time! From a new Democrat! No more son of a bush. Voted against him and his daddy. Go Bright Eyes!
Micki

Probably loose his job for telling the truth. Great song. Buying his album.
George

So Biz, I notice you feel justified spewing bullshit but aren't man enough to post your email address. Afraid someone would call you on the crap you've been posting on here?
"forget islam, george bush is the real enemy, right nitwits?" You know what cracks me up about your statement, is that neocon, evangelical, brainwashed folks such as yourself continue to swear up and down that this isn't a religious war, that you're not trying to continue the facist experiment you all failed with in the 40s, but then someone like you opens their mouth and we see what your kind are really after. Why don't you just put on your polished black boots, swastika armband, and go march around praising Furher Bush a little more. While you're at it, tell him to put the Muslims, people of a religion far more peaceful than Christianity, in work camps. Your kind seems to like to do that to those that aren't lilly-white and rich.

im a huge bright eyes fan and a rep, odd right? yea, i have most of his stuff but this song isnt anything good compared to his other stuff and all the libs dont realize, a democratic president wouldnt change much, this shits stayin this way no matter what, and this has to be done. unlike the libs, bush has a set agenda- a little messed up perhaps and what not, but still set, and in time it will work(be patient), nothing too bad will happen- more than the libs can say. incase you libs didnt realize, the dem congressmen are all filthy rich as well, and your shit wont be helped much with a dem president, they just fucking things up like they fuck up elections. the few dem presidents we have do do a good job tho. and i think conor should go back to the less radically liberal music, although hes still my favorite and still amazing.

all you idiots that talk about religion like its some viloence shit shut the hell up. crusades were an attempt to gain power and profit, but it doesntt reflect the christian religion. read the new testement youll find out what it is about. yes the pope was in on the crusades, but also if you look it up youll realize that all of them were corrupt alchohholic drug addict womanizers that had no interest in the religion. also with the muslim shit. muslim is a peaceful religion, no more peaceful than christianity, but you have those extremists who take things so far and do anything for their religion without thinking and they just act on stupidity- that occurs in all cultures but in this case they say its for "religion." so all of you better get taught some of this stuff without learning some shit, thats half the problem with most libs thses days.

to kevin....your dumb ass doesn't even realize that the religion you tak about is only a make-believe, an illusion, and a tool for the rulling elite to command the minds of the masses.

Marx said it best...religion is opium for the masses.

so piss off you brain dead conservative

All right wingers sound alike. A bunch of slogan chanters that can't even make a valid point. Don't get this confused with actual conservatives, sometimes conservatives have good points, but I'm definitely a liberal myself. Bush converted me.

I didn't really like Bright Eye's singing, but he more than makes up for it with his lyrics. I'm glad to see there are some converted Republican's here, like I said I was also a Bush supporter, now I want him impeached.

Back to right wing bashing… These people are such little wimps that they ban people from their sites because they are too scared of a differing opinion.

Some of you might find my experience at one site pretty amusing:
Culture of Life

marx called religion the opiate of the masses, not the opium. i've heard that mistake a thousand times. the religion conspiracy theory sounds like the paranoia brought on by long time drug use. it's amazing that you aren't "rulled" by the mind control the rest of us are apparently subject to.

by my logic judaism an islam are the same? what logic is that? i see the followers of islam killing in the name of their god, i dont see the same from the jews. but leave it to you leftist douchebags to try to compare the two. again only one religion uses retarded (literally) teens to blow themselves up. only one religion is taking families hostage to force the adult male to become a suicide bomber. guess what religion that is, assholes. your moral relativism is a fucking joke. your all a bunch of lemmings.

kirk,
"Back to right wing bashing… These people are such little wimps that they ban people from their sites because they are too scared of a differing opinion."

really? nothing like DU, huh?

the great muhammed boinked a 9 year old. 9 years old, dude. thats sick.

thats ok sg, you see mohammed was not a christian or a jew, so he gets a free pass. islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

Wow Biz, you're still spouting bullshit but still don't have the balls to post your email address. Still scared someone might call you on the blatant lies you seem to keep pulling out of your ass? Oh, and sg, I'm sure lots of christian and jewish prophets were "boinking" (what are you, a middle-schooler?) 9 and 10 year olds in their times because...:gasp: that's about the age that people married off their daughters. Study history moron.

colorado dem,
first off it aint bullshit. "every word from allah is on paper". second off, if you want to "pull my card" do it here. i know how you "free speech' libs are. i don't feel like being harassed in my PERSONAL e mail, dickhead. what are you, a fuckin muslim apologist? tell me, what have i pulled outta my ass? are you saying that islam is a religion of peace?? where the fuck have you been? are you denying that muzzies have used retards to detonate? what about kidnapping families? why are you acting so tough in here, but when it comes to national security, youre a big pussy? dont act tough, youre a fucking liberal!

Wow, getting called a liberal by a ditto-head neo-con, that really hurts. And yes, Islam is a religion of peace. I've read the Quaran before and it's no more violent then the Torah or the bible, both of which I've read as well. The problem is, the religion has been highjacked by extremists such as Bin Laden who are willing to kill anyone to further their twisted interpretation of their religion, much in the same way that our country has been highjacked by a religious extremist who is willing to kill anyone to further his twisted interpretation of his religion. That's the problem, not the religions themselves, but that the US and the Middle East are controlled by religious zealots with little to no grasp of reality. And what the hell do you mean that I'm a big pussy when it comes to national security? You're generalizing now because you're realizing that you don't have a leg to stand on when someone starts presenting you with facts. I swear, the GOP must send you guys little pamphlets or something with Dem-bashing advice, because all of you seem to say the same 2 or three things over again. How about you go listen to some country music about kicking an "A-Rab"'s ass or something, your kind seems to enjoy those...

You're a fucking joke. Way to regurgitate lib talking points. Yeah, a tiny MINORITY of extremists have hijacked islam. tell me, dickhead, how many churches are in saudi arabia? what do these tolerant people do to those who preach christianity in their countries? when was the last time you heard about a christian honor killing? these tolerant, peaceful people kill, not kill like you seem to have projected upon christians, but REALLY kill.

the difference between a fundie mus, and a fundie christian is this:
A fundie christian will tell you you are going to hell, a fundie mus will try to send you there.

open your eyes jackass. better yet, go to a muslim country and see how much love, peace and tolerance they extend you.

For your information I spent a summer in Qatar, a so-called Muslim country, two years ago and encountered some of the friendliest, humble, most helpful people I've met in my travels, unlike when I've gone to christian strongholds in the US, i.e. Colorado Springs, anywhere in the South, Utah, where the people are for the most part rude, arrogant, and condensending...much like you, Biz.

condescending, eh? aint that the pot calling the kettle black. you come of like quite the elitist. tell me, would anyone in qatar let you date their sister? heh, don't think so.

dem
"so-called Muslim country"

so called? god, yer a fucking twit. you still didnt answer me, how many churches in saudi? what would thet do to a practicing christian in qatar? you musta been a good lil dhimmi over there. no yer place

dem
"so-called Muslim country"

so called? god, yer a fucking twit. you still didnt answer me, how many churches in saudi? what would thet do to a practicing christian in qatar? you musta been a good lil dhimmi over there. know yer place

can't spell when i type fast, regardless, it must be nice to live in bizarro world.... where christians are mass murderers, and muslims are non oppressive, tolerant and loving.

tell me, why would a lib, who is supposedly for womens right, support a religion that WONT LET WOMEN LEARN HOW TO READ, VOTE, OR GO OUTTA THE HOUSE BY THEMSELVES?

so what you've been telling me, dem, is that the fundie christians here are worse then the fundie muslims in the arab world? and you say i don't have a leg to stand on in my arguement, eh? the idiocy of your statements is beyond reproach. i'm done with you. Salaam.

I wish I could could be right, but that might make someone wrong, so I'll write a song.

Left to right, can't go one way without going away from another, if I go far enough will I come up behind you my brother?

The trouble with Ignorance is that you dont know you are.

Love and Gratitude! Today is too wonderful and tomorrow could be better if we all wanted it to be!

if the people who had the ideas are dead then who now controls the ideas? do the ideas control us now?

I think people who unequivocally say the Bush Administration is the same as the Taliban are, of course, a bit off, despite it being rather wry and ironic, and I'm sure very few people actually believe that. If anyone does, they need to get a better perspective on things.

People who boil down entire societies, cultures, and countries to just their dominant religion (and their own confused interpretation of that religion, no less) are also a bit off. No, that's a bit I suppose the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, Morocco, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are all one big Muslimwville, just like the United States, Britian, Germany, and Italy are all one big Jesusland. Honestly.

Finally, atheists who feel the need to attack religion just because their parents made them go to sunday school when they were seven are just street preachers of a different color. Put down that copy of Origin of Species you're clutching like a bible and chill.

Biz, "i'm done with you. Salaam."

Wimp. DU makes it clear up front that it's just for liberals, same as Free Republic is just for "conservatives." I'm talking about the blogs that pretend to be open to debate, then pretend to get the last word in by banning people. I've got plenty of examples at my blog.

Razjml, excellent comment.

However, I have to point out that you may be talking about me with your atheists comment. I am not a fan of religion primarily because quite a few religious people try to push their religion on other people.

There is currently a battle in Kansas about the teaching of evolution. My thing is how many times does science have to prove that it is right before religion steps out of the way and lets science teach facts?

It seems like people want to go back to a time when the world was flat. I'm sick of it myself. I know this isn't every religious person, not even a majority, but there are enough of them to really be a pain in the ass. But most of these people don't even follow their own religion so what do you expect right? They just pick out the worst aspects of their religion and ignore the good aspects.

No matter what party you are a member of, you would have to be blind not to recognise the loss of our own civil rights. Not to notice the religious agenda being used as an excuse to twist our country and divide us as a nation.
To hide behind a political party instead of thinking for yourself is to abdicate the responsibilty of deciding what is right or wrong in our government and to act accordingly.
Terrorism has existed in many parts of the world for decades/centuries, that is not a justification for what we are doing in Iraq and has little to do with us attacking them after 911.
There was no logical progression from 911 to attacking Iraq. And history will judge that, regardless of how Bush supporters feel. When you are caught up in a fog of political/religious frevor remember that by attacking the rights of those who do not believe as you do, you open the door for others to suppress you with the same zeal when it is their turn. Learn from history, those who seek to dominate and control those who believe differently from them are the same ones who became dictators and despots. You may use "Liberal" as a dirty word, but a Liberal has yet to commit a Holocaust, a Crusade or an Inquisition.
Those with a religious agenda to change the world have. If you believe in Christ then do what he said, render unto Cesear that which is Cesear's and to God that which is God's. He never preached heaven on earth or religious political domination. The religious right of this country are far from being under attack and enjoy more rights here than they would anywhere else in the world, do the curtesy of leaving the rest of us to enjoy the same freedom. As far as Bright Eyes Lyrics, they are insightful, daring (especially now when anyone who doesn't back the conservative line is being attacked), and timely. He is a very talented young man and a real breath of fresh air in these constricted conservative times. Bless Him.
Oh, by the way, you can tell the caliber of an argument by how many times you have to curse to defend it, or personally attack another. When you resort to that, you have just admitted to everyone who hears you that you have no solid base for your position and are only running on anger because in your gut you know where the flaws in your thinking are. God save us from the well meaning but severely misguided amoung us. Jo

Soc,
You say george Bush has conviction and I don't. Wrong, I actually have several convictions because when laws made by assholes like bush are made, I openly break their laws. I am not afraid of him and his gang of hoods. As for georgie boy, what kind of convictions can a rich, spoiled druggie alcoholic have. Maybe he should ask God the next time he talks to him. In school I was told that psychotic mental patients say they talk to God and thats our cout d'tat "president"

Jo,

"If you believe in Christ then do what he said"

You fucking piece of… ;) Just kidding

Matthew 5:38 - 5:48:

You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.
If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Think Bush has read the Bible? How about most of these right wingers? Oh, they probably stopped a few books into Old Testament. That would explain it.

See, this is what really rubs me the wrong way. I agree with most of Christ's teachings and in fact happen to follow most of them even though I'm an atheist.

It is absolutely amazing, just utterly amazing to me, how many "Christians" exhibit nothing but hatred. Guess what "Christians"? You are exactly the same as the "Muslims" you hate. You choose to ignore what your own religion teaches.

Now, if we had more actual Christians and Muslims we wouldn't have nearly as many problems in the world. Both teach tolerance, Christianity more so than Islam, but Islam does teach it.

Iraq had nothing to do with September 11th, doesn't have Weapons of Mass Destruction, was not a threat to the U.S. and did allow weapons inspectors back into Iraq. Why did we go to war there again?

Where's Osama bin Laden? Why isn't Bush "concerned" about him? Why did we pull special forces out of Afghanistan when we had the person responsible for September 11th cornered and then outsource the job to Afghan warlords?

Guess what? Bin Laden bribed his way out of Toro Bora!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4442045.stm

Whew hoo! Bright Eyes!

I don't think I was referring to you Kirk, I was thinking of antibush. I'm aware that when most people attack religion they're really addressing that annoying 2% or so - and more specifically, annoying Christians with megaphones - but I react just as strongly to smug Positivism as evangelism. I consider myself an atheist, but I have a fairly strong preference towards Buddhism as well.

As for creationism in public schools, the whole swing towards irrationalism and anti-intellectualism in our political and social culture is kind of scary, although I expect it will inevitably collapse under its own weight, as most things do. Did you know a dinosaur museum was recently opened within a Christian theme park in Kentucky? Apparently man and dinosaur coexisted together 6000 years ago. They were even on Noah's Ark. I never knew.

You couldn't be talking about the Creation Museum in Kentucky?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/

Why that's just based on common sense.

I forgot if this was the one that had a model of the Grand Canyon where they filled the canyons in with sand and had a spigot that you turned on that washed out the sand. This was their proof that a great flood formed the Grand Canyon rather than millions of years of erosion.

Too funny.

Did you hear that Pat Robinson said that judges were a greater threat to the United States than Al Qaeda, Nazi Germany, Japan or the Civil war?

http://www.nydailynews.com/05-02-2005/news/wn_report/story/305594p-261517c.html

I had the video, but now I can't find it. He was such a jackass.

"to kevin....your dumb ass doesn't even realize that the religion you tak about is only a make-believe, an illusion, and a tool for the rulling elite to command the minds of the masses.

Marx said it best...religion is opium for the masses.

so piss off you brain dead conservative"

thats good, keeping a lie for over 2000 years eh?
and only the ignorant people are "commanded" by taht shit, its just too many people are ignorant and why's that. theyre brought up with liberal shit on tv their whole lives

to find out the way the bible is interpreted and how it should be, not how most do it talk to an exeget,for all you who dont know what that is-a biblical expert/scholar. youll then realize half of the christian religions are false and i dont follow their strict guidlines.

So, Kevin…

Do you like just type as fast as you can because it's just really really important to get your message out there to the masses as quickly as possible? Capitalization, spelling and any semblance of grammar be damned!

And what an important message it is, "liberals bad, me no like liberals."

Perhaps some aroma therapy will do you good.

I find it interesting that antibush (the guy you're replying to) has the same style of writing as you. You couldn't possibly just be talking to yourself could you? I mean Marx? I hang around a lot of liberals and we generally aren't quoting Marx. I usually see quotes like that at conservative sites mocking liberals.

Your ranting reminds me of some other people I've talked to in the past:
http://countryofthedamned.blogspot.com/2005/04/culture-of-life.html

They also posed as a liberal (me in fact) because they couldn't put together a logical argument.

Well, this page is certainly full of the kind of tension that is just waiting to boil over. And thats exactly what the rich men in suits want. All this time you are fighting amongst yourselves, attention is being diverted from the vast amounts of money they are earning by killing the worlds poor and stealing their resources. Meanwhile you folks back at home are trying your hardest to pay of the massive debts you've accrued (making the suits richer, again) and blaming each other for the massive frustration you experience in the unfulfilling lifestyles you pursue. Sooner or later this will spill over into civil war, but don't worry, the men in suits have got it covered, after all, they were wise enough to invest so much in non lethal arms, they'll make a fortune when chaos breaks out. And once again it will be the uneducated on the front lines, taking all the shit to protect 'the nation' from itself and from all the things the media taught you to fear.
My plan?
I'll be making 'I told you so' T shirts. Its always good to think ahead.

Sorry, I did'nt know i was being graded on my grammar here. It's not that i hate all liberals and dilike them;afterall i am a huge bright eyes fan. It's just that most bring up stupid points and cannot back them up, when their is a simple answer to them.And where is my argument illogical?

Kevin, the real question is "Where's your logical argument?"

I see some rants about liberals, but I see nothing backing the rants up.

I can say the same tihng about you. I've backed up my religion statements.

During the 30s we slept until Churchill and Roosevelt got our asses after Hitler, today we watch as our own Hitler sits in the stolen whitehouse where he is a dictator with enough media mind benders making him out to be a human being. HE is an evil, Stupid Rich kid that does whatever his dad and dad's cronies tell him. I think he feels overwhelmed and would rather go get a lap dance and do coke. Thats more his style. Did you see his face as he continued to read to little kids while planes were flying into tht twin towers and the Pentagon. I think he was thinking" thet're right on time, daddy will be happy with me"

Tom, youre a douchebag, thats the only reply your post deserves.

If you thought this was a
great protest song
you haven't been breathing for very long
I know walking on water
wasnt built in a day
but silly songs won't make
george go away
maybe it just time
to lose the jokes and the ryhme
to reach out and care for someone who's down
it isnt real difficult to find
around this town
perhaps real this is how change begins
no bugles no trumpets no litany of sins
just regualr folk tired of the mess
getting up off the floor...you know the rest

Love him or hate him, but I think Bright Eyes accomplished what he wanted. This is a hell of a page. I have had a great time reading all the rants and raves. This is what it was about. Make people talk. Whether you believe in an all powerful god or the big bang theory, just remember this. Heaven is what you make it and it is right here, right now. Don't sin now and beg forgiveness later. Later may never come.

Wow, so much hate. I just want to say that if you want to hear some very good political music by Conor Oberst (Bright Eyes) listen to his side project Desaparecidos "Read Music/Speak Spanish".

I want to pledge allegiance to the country where I live
I don't want to be ashamed to be American
But opportunity no, it don't exist
It's the opiate of the populace
We need some harder shit now
The truth is getting around

I think its funny that people attack "President" because its not good musically. Its a protest song. It doesn't have to be amazing musically. And despite what you think of his politics, it is impressive that he would come out and sing that song before millions of people.

Oh, and there still have been no WMD's found in Iraq, nor any ties between Saddam and Al-Queda. And you can't fight terrists with force, its only going to make new terrorists. And its only reinforcing the negative views that they have of us and our society. Try to change America's condesending treatment of the rest of the world and maybe, just maybe they'll stop hating us.

or we could all convert to islam, then they'd stop hating us. wait... i got a better idea, lets just kill ourselves, that'll make 'em happy, dipshit.

Awsome song this guy totally hit it rigt on the nose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So close to war time in central PA Weed couldnt be found it was all gone for some reason????
hmmm I quickly found out COKE we Had tons of Coke no Pot tho i party for 2 summers with mid 20's kids, I love it
Oh yea that white stuff sucks its not clean it would be dirty just like he said mixxed with crystalmeth and all whatever.
Remember religious idiots if it werent for tripped out druggy people you might not even have a bible today--Those are who started this crap!!!
I believe in God but not the one that Bush believes in.
Remember also God bless america and Pot is bad we would want our kids doing that when they could be buying the white stuff from the government
Foooooooooooooolllllllllls

im really hot

I do love the name calling here. "You religious idiots" "you left wing idiots" "you right wing idiots".

Such mature conversation.

Our government is killing people right now over virtually nothing. We're sending our troops out to kill and be killed in the name of saving democracy and preserving freedom. To prevent terrorism. I'm VERY shocked to find out how many people really BELIEVE that bullshit.

"You have to give up some rights to be free." People believe that one, too. It's astonishing.

I have to say that having Bush as our president makes me very scared for my future. For my male friends who are soon to approach the lovley age of 18, right at the time that we'll be needing some more troops. How many more old retired army vets are there for them to call up? Not many. And the sad thing is, we're probably next.

For what? Someone, please tell me. For someone elses personal gain. For oil. For George.

Too bad. Nobody's mind will change as a result of discussions like this. There are excesses, certainly, on both sides of the political spectrum.

Regarding the Oberst performance, perhaps it wasn't "great art," and the lyrics probably aren't "great poetry." But it was an impassioned performance, with thoughtful lyrics that seemed heartfelt. I won't speculate, nor is it fair for anyone to speculate, whether or not Oberst is "sincere," or to what extent he's "only in it for the money." Because all it can be is speculation.

The song isn't subtle. There is a time and place for subtlety. This is not the time for subtlety.

When people claim outright, or imply, that their actions are directly or indirectly inspired by a being from beyond this reality that is unseen, unproven, and must be believed as a matter of faith, then these people are dangerous, regardless of whether their actions produce beneficial or tragic results. Whether they are Christians, Muslims, Jews, or whatever.

But this post won't change anyone's mind either. I think that too often, blogs that focus on political rantings are merely verbal masturbation.

This is to T.A.
I dont understand how someone can be so moronic as you. Bush is not "sending" people to die. The army is VOLUNTEER moron. The people who are in the army have more spine than you will ever have because they will not stand for terrorists flying into buildings and killing three thousand innocent people. You are the quintessence (look it up moron) of a liberal. And no we will not need a draft because unlike you there are many brave people who, let me say this again, VOLUNTEER to go and defend freedom. You liberals are always talking about helping people but when the times get tough you get out. Our troops ended the tyrany of Sadam who killed hundreds of thousands of his own citizens. But no Bush is the bad guy right? Go read a book and try to become more educated before you waste more peoples time reading your excuse for a post.
p.s. that song on Leno blowed. It had no melody, rhythm, or thought put into it. And the part about rape and womens rights made me laugh. I mean if anyone knows about how to treat a women it must be Slick Willy and the Democrats.

Cameron,

right on. This isn't a war for oil, or W's gain. T.A. is an ignorant child. This war is about Islam and its murderous poison. I have been called ignorant on this forum for saying it before, but the people making that accusation know nothing of islam. Just like TA knows nothing of islam..... ITS THE OIL STUPID!!!! Whatever, go learn arabic and submit, TA.

Nobody is defending my freedom in Iraq.

They are risking their lives in Iraq, but not for my freedom. They are risking their lives for Bush's lies - for PNAC's dreams of empire - for cowardly politicians who would not stand up against this administration and an illegal unjustified war.

I'd like to see the Bush twins go risk their lives for that bullshit - but they don't need to - they had Pappy's money and influence to get them into college, just like their AWOL coked-up Daddy.

biz, biz, biz.....when will you ever wake up? ISLAM is not the enemy here. "ISLAM" and "In the NAME of Islam" are two very different things. These terrorists call themselves "Islamic", yes, but are they ACTUALLY following Islam?

In the words of Conor Oberst, "I doubt it."

For a close-to-home example, this is like Catholics who support Gay and lesbian marriage, and abortion. They aren't really Catholic, for they are not following the true beliefs of the Catholic religion. They are better off Episcopalian.

Islam does mean "submission", yes...but as a previous poster put it, Islam is a "submission to God." Very much like many Christian sects of the world. "Submitting to God" is different than just submission alone.

And as for all the religion-bashing-I've found that EVERY religion can be tied together with one underlying message: Peace. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, Paganism, Baha'i, you name it. Religion is a way for us to connect to something higher than ourselves-something that supposedly is also connected to ALL of us..if we would understand this then there would be no need for protest songs....

But, of course, this will never happen, and I realize that I can never enlighten such stubborn people (Conservatives and Liberals alike) for they will always stick to their own opinion, even to the point of disregarding facts from any side.

You are 100 percent right NN. One of my best friends in high school is muslim and I have gotten to know a little about their religion. It is truly a peaceful religion but there are extremists who do not follow the koran. Secondly i want to yell at that pussy KB. People VOLUNTEER for the army. Do you think they do it just to go play soldier. NO, they joined because they are willing to put THEIR life on the line to protect the freedom of everyone, even scum who dont admit it like yourself. Whatever your beliefs of the war being justified you would be moronic if you believed that it would be better off if we just pulled out of Iraq all at once. Anarchy would break out and the country would be torn apart by civil war. But I suppose you don't care what will happen to Iraq and the millions of its citizens as long as you can sit on your ass and go drink starbucks. You are an isolationist who believes that whatever occurs over seas is none of our bussiness. GO GET EDUCATED before you post.

LOL.... I couldn't stop reading... it was like a car wreck. Do any of you people think you're going to change minds at, um, what is this place? Oh, it's some person's blog. I came here from google searching for a reaction to Bright Eyes' Leno performance. LOL, I found a few posts here that actually mention Bright Eyes. But mostly I found a lot of anger...

such a shame.

NN, are you retarded? you wrote

"These terrorists call themselves "Islamic", yes, but are they ACTUALLY following Islam? "

Uh, yes, thats the problem. The koran is a war manual asshole. Have you read it? How about you Cam? fucking useful idiots, the lot of ya.

NN,

you claim all the above religions have an underlying message...peace. Show me one instance of peace in Islam. Is stoning peace? Is the removal of limbs peace? What are you even talking about? you are a DHIMMI. Look it up.

Yellow Dog of Texas (to "The Yellow Rose of Texas"

He's a yellow dog of Texas,
Worse even than his dad,
He's the biggest fascist liar
This country ever had,
He deserted during Viet Nam
So a poor man's son could die,
But we put his ass in office,
And now we're asking why!

He's a "new-cyu-lur" illiterate
And he's filled with greed and hate,
He makes us yearn for Nixon
And the days of Watergate,
He doesn't mourn our dead GIs
And he doesn't even care,
'Cause he don't lead boys to slaughter
If their dad's a billionaire.

He's a yellow dog of Texas
And he learned his lesson well,
There's more crime in his family
Than anyone can tell,
'Cause their money hides their history
For the richest one per cent,
And I wouldn't want to be there
When they're called on to repent.

He's convinced that God loves torture
Of the people we invade,
He received divine permission
As he sniffed his coke and prayed,
But if he decides that Israel
Needs a taste of Christian pain,
He can give his heart and soul to God
For he's sniffed his last cocaine!

Yellow Dog of Texas (to "The Yellow Rose of Texas")

He's a yellow dog of Texas,
Worse even than his dad,
He's the biggest fascist liar
This country ever had,
He deserted during Viet Nam
So a poor man's son could die,
But we put his ass in office,
And now we're asking why!

He's a "new-cyu-lur" illiterate
And he's filled with greed and hate,
He makes us yearn for Nixon
And the days of Watergate,
He doesn't mourn our dead GIs
And he doesn't even care,
'Cause he don't lead boys to slaughter
If their dad's a billionaire.

He's a yellow dog of Texas
And he learned his lesson well,
There's more crime in his family
Than anyone can tell,
'Cause their money hides their history
For the richest one per cent,
And I wouldn't want to be there
When they're called on to repent.

He's convinced that God loves torture
Of the people we invade,
He received divine permission
As he sniffed his coke and prayed,
But if he decides that Israel
Needs a taste of Christian pain,
He can give his heart and soul to God
For he's sniffed his last cocaine!

wow, michelle.

That poem was filled with so many debunked lies, and unproven truthes you could turn it into a book. Why dont ya head back over to Russia and learn what a real fascist is.

WEll after reading this page of comments i have to say, brights did what he intended to do and thats bring out the discussion on the whole mess our country is in, for the peeps that think the Bush administration is good, just remember we are losing allies and credibility, we use to be land of the free umm they taking all our freedoms away, opportunity umm jobs gone, id say we a fine country now arent we? Seems to me and only me im not speaking for anyone else that the war lovers actually have hatred for others such as the KKK does towards outsiders. Just try to put the shoe on the other foot and see how you would like germany taking over the usa with lies and making you live like they want you to. I applaud bright eyes for making it on national TV with that song and I hope more follow suit...

Tano,

who is a bigger threat to america, the kkk or Islamists? Which one has a larger population in america? And btw, have you forgotten that Bush inherited a recession and the "WORLD TRADE" (say it with me, WORLD TRADE) CENTERS were destroyed. What do you think went on in the WORLD TRADE CENTERS? Could it be the center of world economics? Just a guess, but you are liberal ass who would rather see american troops die than support Bush. Fuckwit.

and you think john kerry would have solved all these problems? he couldnt even make up his mind what side of an issue he was on. don't get me wrong, i'm not a "bush fan" nor a republican but honestly kerry sucked!

Here is another 'president' that claimed God...we need to all start thinking and stop being ditto heads...randy

“The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. “

“Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill
our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press -- in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of LIBERAL excess during the past years."

-- Adolph Hitler; Taken from The Speeches of Adolph
Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1, Michael Hakeem, Ph.D.
(London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pp. 871-872.

Hey biz, you just have your head crammed up your ass like every other redneck bigot.

FYI, I have actually read some of the Quran (the actual book) unlike whatever snippets you read from Ann Coulter or one of those nutcases. Not easy reading, but not a "war manual" or whatever you wrote.

Here, enjoy:
Some Quran

If you want to start playing games, I can make the Bible look pretty bad. Or I can make it look good.

See, how the books are interpreted just depends on the person who reads it. If they are a redneck like you, then they get interpreted as a "war manual" because rednecks generally ignore anything but the violent and bigoted aspects of any religion, including their own.

Also, we'd all rather see American troops live. That's one of the reasons why we don't support Bush.

And hey brave little man, are you in the military? I don't know what Cameron is yammering about, because the military is having such a hard time meeting their quotas that they've reduced the quotas as a propaganda ploy!

This is a little dated:
Reduced Quotas

Because they did meet a monthly quota after it was reduced about three times. Woo hoo, what a victory, guess those brave Republicans finally stepped up to the plate… after it was lowered about three times.

I'd dig up some more information for you, but really… who cares what you think anymore? The majority of Americans think Bush sucks.

Majority of Americans think Bush sucks

Oh, except in the fantasy land of Fox News.

Hey, it stripped my links! Let's see if this works.

Some Quran:
http://stophatred.blogspot.com/2005/02/this-blog.html

Reduced Quotas:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8155830/

Majority of Americans think Bush sucks
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

this song is shit

Has anyone checked out www.ratemypoo.com? Oh yea, me likey!

Poopy! ratemypoo.com

wow, i'm from england a place were freespeak is not bitched about on blogs. if you're all so strong about your view why does it matter that a man released a SONG speaking against your opinions, or are you so sure that your country is full of air head they'll just lap it up. give people some credit and let them decided for themselves, or is the freedom in your country reserved only for those deemed worthly.

This whole thread is one of the many reasons I am ashamed of my homeland. Weird, you are right. This is a musician who is singing his beliefs, bottom line...everyone wants to rant about his song and whether his intentions were to target his "demographics" or not, he has def got people talking about him. Over analyze everything and everybody, you lose your mind. Noone is debating, everyone is calling each other names and arguing about their beliefs being the right beliefs. Get over yourself..all of you. If we would support each other, we would be stronger but, unfortunatley as far as I am concerned we are the weakest country and until we try to hear each other and not attack each other we will just digress...

Wow. This is sad. All of you just sitting around, throwing names at each other and trying to convince one another that YOU're the one who's right and everyone else is wrong.
The truth has been lost a long, long time ago, now most of you are just out to shut the others up... which can never be done, by the way. 'Cause as long as people have tongues they will speak. Be it intelligent or stupid, the important thing for most of you is just to have your voices heard.

When you've running out of arguments and cannot think of anything better to say than "fuck", "idiots" and "asshole", maybe it's time to bow out of the discussion.

But if you're up for it, I have a quite creative suggestion: form a band, write a song and perform it on Letterman. That way millions of people will hear it, and not just the few debaters in here.
And in doing so you yourself can feel proud about making a contribution to the world of music and politics. And at last you'll have something to listen to that you'll like.
Pretty smart, huh?

Oh, and also: I like Conor and Bright Eyes a lot. Not all of it, but most of it. Even though he's not the best singer in the world, his lyrics make me smile.
You don't have to love what I love. But my taste in music doesn't necessarily define who I am, right?
And really - the world would be a pretty dull place if everyone were just the same.

Biz.....you are a fucking moron.

and SOC......have you even heard any Bright Eyes songs besides When The President Talks To God?
First of all, there are only a few politicaly based Bright Eyes songs.
Second, he is on his own record label which he started as a young kid, making and recording his music since the age of thirteen, and refuses to be put on mtv for the very reason of "selling out".
and third, next time, before you start shitting on a band, listen to more than one song, find out what they are really about, and discover that they have two-hundred songs about life and Love and death to their one political song.

And to both of you:
Next time you decide to post something, take the time to stop and think about how much of a narrow-minded, moronic asshole you are making yourself sound like. Thank you.

hmmmmm...
if you think Islam is the enemy... you are wrong dipshit. If you think Bush is the enemy... you are right. He's done more harm to our country than 9-11. He's taken away our freedoms (patriot act). He's taken away our $$ (Iraq, which had nothing to do with the taliban). He's taken away our oil (guess who is profitting from the high gas prices?) He stole our dignity, (unilateral agression) If Bush gave a damn, he'd give a freakin dime. If his rich friends and family gave a damn... they'd give a dime. His role has only been to syphon tax payer's $, our $ through govmnt contracts to his friends. He has proven that he couldn't care less about the masses. The soldiers in Iraq joined the army for the money or because they believed in America's Fox News. They join because the military offers benifits and the opportunity to go to college. The people who couldn't evacuate N. Orleans are being treated like dogs. Bush doesn't care. Why should he? Bring 'em on Bomb 'em all and let God sort out the bodies, me and my friends are getting paid. Bush's America is as close to a Facist Regime as you can get.
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, ...
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. ...
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined [faith-based government aid anyone??]
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts"
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

thank you libby, at least someone can see that people have a right to speak freely, as long as he's not pointing a gun to your head and forcing you to believe his views, why does it matter what he sings? just be happy somebody in your country is thinking and acting.

i've been a bright eyes fan for years, now. and i don't really enjoy the song When The President Talks To God. but i enjoy the lyrics. yet, i don't look for my political opinions in musicians/entertainers. i'm not a democrat nor a republican. i vote for whoever i think is the best in that field. i don't get into too much politics. but i know what i see and read. and i'm not a fan of bush.

just found your website - you are a genius! do you have any more postings? would love to hear from you, vegan to vegan!

just found your website - you are a genius! do you have any more postings? would love to hear from you, vegan to vegan!

just found your website - you are a genius! do you have any more postings? would love to hear from you, vegan to vegan!

To all of you who call him stupid, please commence of fucking off. This man is a genius. It is undeniable, if you listen to his music. Also may I point out that I am an extreme conservative and I usually hate music opposing Bush, seeing how he is the president, meaning the majority of the country voted for him, but in this instance I can tolerate it, simply because he is such a genius. Listen to a few of his songs. Here's another fun fact: he started songwriting and recording at 13 years old. He's written more than I've been able to listen to in a week. Being a musician myself, and a 14 year old, I find myself attempting to write anything like his, but I just cannot see how he does it. And don't call me stupid for this. Though it may seem arrogant, I am a self-proclaimed genius myself. My intellegence has been noticed by many around me, such as my friends, girlfriend, and teachers. So again I say, fuck off and get on, the man's smarter than you wish you could be, and your uncomfortable with the thought of someone actually being more intellegent than yourself.

"...terrorism won't just go away. We have to destroy it."

you can't destroy hatred by blowing it up. you fuel it with every example of your ignorance.

From the perspective of a Canadian who all-in-all tries to be supportive of America (the people, not so much the government), the stuff BIZ has to say scares the shit out of me. Like seriously man -- thinking that there might be a whole group of people like you (NOT talking about republicans)... well.. it literally makes me lose hope in humanity. I truly hope that BIZ is just part of a very small and very vocal minority.

And like someone else was saying, the fact that so many in the world are turning against America must say something about the (foreign) policies of your government. Does is make more sense to say that the whole rest of the world is off their rocker, or that something within your country has changed? Again, that comment is targetted at certain small groups, NOT the majority of Americans who are A-OK by me!

This song made me happy that at least he was talking about some of these issues. But we all no... sheltered in corporate America and living off the blood and sufferage of not just Iraq but nearly ever nation in the world... Pick up a book and read about interventions of World Banke and IMF.. read. My conclusion is that Conor Oberst didn't take it nearly far enough. I live in rural, mountainous IDAHO.. and I'll sing along when he buys a gun and fixes the problem we call our president himself... just like we did in the streets of seattle.. Vote with a brick.

This song made me happy that at least he was talking about some of these issues. But we all Know... sheltered in corporate America and living off the blood and sufferage of not just Iraq but nearly ever nation in the world... Pick up a book and read about interventions of World Banke and IMF.. read. My conclusion is that Conor Oberst didn't take it nearly far enough. I live in rural, mountainous IDAHO.. and I'll sing along when he buys a gun and fixes the problem we call our president himself... just like we did in the streets of seattle.. Vote with a brick.

This song made me happy that at least he was talking about some of these issues. But we all Know... sheltered in corporate America and living off the blood and sufferage of not just Iraq but nearly ever nation in the world... Pick up a book and read about interventions of World Banke and IMF.. read. My conclusion is that Conor Oberst didn't take it nearly far enough. I live in rural, mountainous IDAHO.. and I'll sing along when he buys a gun and fixes the problem we call our president himself... just like we did in the streets of seattle.. Vote with a brick.

This song made me happy that at least he was talking about some of these issues. But we all Know... sheltered in corporate America and living off the blood and sufferage of not just Iraq but nearly ever nation in the world... Pick up a book and read about interventions of World Banke and IMF.. read. My conclusion is that Conor Oberst didn't take it nearly far enough. I live in rural, mountainous IDAHO.. and I'll sing along when he buys a gun and fixes the problem we call our president himself... just like we did in the streets of seattle.. Vote with a brick.

we need a party that okays all issues

republicans and democrats are full of shit

I think this activist generation were heading into is crap, and i dont think the media helps it at all. Bush isnt a spotlight president, but hes still are president. America voted for him, so back him up

I think this activist generation were heading into is crap, and i dont think the media helps it at all. Bush isnt a spotlight president, but hes still are president. America voted for him, so back him up

I think this activist generation were heading into is crap, and i dont think the media helps it at all. Bush isnt a spotlight president, but hes still are president. America voted for him, so back him up

Hey y'al, well that was fun....I just read all the posts and had a good ol' laugh. I'm in NZ and I can tell you that the rest of the world is actually hoping you Americans will stop just screaming names at each other and actually get up and start to rip each others throats out....the sooner y'al kill each other off the better for the rest of us.

Anyway good song Conner!!! And to those who want more like it...have a listen to Dear Mr President by Pink!

Hi I am gay

Conner is soooooo cute!
oh, and fuck Jesus & Pres. Bush!

Did someone just say that the CIA is gonna kill Conor Oberst?! That's ridiculous.

hey, so you know, everyones goin on about how knowbodies got balls, but listen to immortal technique, he raps about how the cia saw bin laden on dialisis, he raps about all the money our government makes off weapons contracts in war, and how haliburton runs its pipe lines through the oil fields. he is encredibly intelligent, and reminds us to think for our selves, with songs like "the 4th branch of the government". if you liked this song, and enjoy real hip hop, like jurrasic 5 and technine, listen to this guy.

hey, so you know, everyones goin on about how knowbodies got balls, but listen to immortal technique, he raps about how the cia saw bin laden on dialisis, he raps about all the money our government makes off weapons contracts in war, and how haliburton runs its pipe lines through the oil fields. he is encredibly intelligent, and reminds us to think for our selves, with songs like "the 4th branch of the government". if you liked this song, and enjoy real hip hop, like jurrasic 5 and technine, listen to this guy. oh and to a lesser extent, and in a much less intelligent fashion, nofx also talks about distaint for the adminstration, but they dont do nearly as good of a job about it.

if you honestly sit here and read half of these entrys, two years later.
Its so rediculously
democrat or not, bright eyes has that raw mindset of music, that even if you dont like his voice, his meaning gets across.

broaden your minds?
possibly?

if you honestly sit here and read half of these entrys, two years later.
Its so rediculously
democrat or not, bright eyes has that raw mindset of music, that even if you dont like his voice, his meaning gets across.

broaden your minds?
possibly?

if you honestly sit here and read half of these entrys, two years later.
Its so rediculously
democrat or not, bright eyes has that raw mindset of music, that even if you dont like his voice, his meaning gets across.

broaden your minds?
possibly?

if you honestly sit here and read half of these entrys, two years later.
Its so rediculously
democrat or not, bright eyes has that raw mindset of music, that even if you dont like his voice, his meaning gets across.

broaden your minds?
possibly?

if you honestly sit here and read half of these entrys, two years later.
Its so rediculously
democrat or not, bright eyes has that raw mindset of music, that even if you dont like his voice, his meaning gets across.

broaden your minds?
possibly?

You all make me so sad.

I'd have to say that Bright Eyes is one of my favorite bands currently.
But, that's beside the point, seeing as all of you are looking at in on a political stand point.
Whether you be a Republican, Democrat, or undecided I think that you can say he is a very outspoken guy.
I mean, come on, you guys sit around at home, in your own security, critizing others; would you do what he is doing?
I mean I'm young, have no job and live off of my parents, and I have no say in politics right now anyways, but I'd say that most of you are old hags trying to make a point, even though it will not sway anyone's beliefs or perspective on the government.

Right, it's easy to bullshit a story on this site, Lets make you guys think I too graduated from a top notche school, with a fancy degree.

On the topic of The war in Iraq. Lets think about it, every war is for the benifit of the nation fighting it. We won't know the true reasn for this war untill 50 years, when all of those crazy documents come out. But I can tell you, President Bush, is not Anti-American, and he along with his crew are probably waging this war for a benifit that we won't know. Of course things may have gone horribly wrong for them, again, we don't know. But saying you do know is complete and utter bullshit. The fact of the matter is, you can guess and think you are right all you want, but again, you won't find out. The government is not as stupid as you people think.

I hate Bright Eyes, not because of their message or what not, but because this kids voice is terrbile, and he sounds like a horrible Bob Dylan. It's embarrising to listen to in my honest opinion. I can't stand their instrumentals, and I think all together it's garbage. Declare them top indie band (Doesn't say much in todays society) it still doesn't mean they are amazing to me.

This guys message isn't "Groundbreaking" and he doens't have an balls, this message is the topic of millions of generic artists, and rap artists (not the mainstream southern garbage). Anti-Government is a theme millions of sheep we call teenagers will follow. Hardly groundbreaking. Give him a title, still doesn't change what he really is.

Also, weather or not you disagree with the president, 1 thing is for sure, is that he has accomplished more in his life than any of you kids will. So when you bash him, go aead, most people will still end up a nobody. He may be hated, but hell he was my President, (Legitamte or not) and for that I salute you.

Keep in mind I am a liberal, but I don't like when people bash bush because again, you guys including myself will never achieve anything of that importance in your life, so bash him if you must, but keep in mind, the comments made on this site are worthless.

Right, it's easy to bullshit a story on this site, Lets make you guys think I too graduated from a top notche school, with a fancy degree.

On the topic of The war in Iraq. Lets think about it, every war is for the benifit of the nation fighting it. We won't know the true reasn for this war untill 50 years, when all of those crazy documents come out. But I can tell you, President Bush, is not Anti-American, and he along with his crew are probably waging this war for a benifit that we won't know. Of course things may have gone horribly wrong for them, again, we don't know. But saying you do know is complete and utter bullshit. The fact of the matter is, you can guess and think you are right all you want, but again, you won't find out. The government is not as stupid as you people think.

I hate Bright Eyes, not because of their message or what not, but because this kids voice is terrbile, and he sounds like a horrible Bob Dylan. It's embarrising to listen to in my honest opinion. I can't stand their instrumentals, and I think all together it's garbage. Declare them top indie band (Doesn't say much in todays society) it still doesn't mean they are amazing to me.

This guys message isn't "Groundbreaking" and he doens't have an balls, this message is the topic of millions of generic artists, and rap artists (not the mainstream southern garbage). Anti-Government is a theme millions of sheep we call teenagers will follow. Hardly groundbreaking. Give him a title, still doesn't change what he really is.

Also, weather or not you disagree with the president, 1 thing is for sure, is that he has accomplished more in his life than any of you kids will. So when you bash him, go aead, most people will still end up a nobody. He may be hated, but hell he was my President, (Legitamte or not) and for that I salute you.

Keep in mind I am a liberal, but I don't like when people bash bush because again, you guys including myself will never achieve anything of that importance in your life, so bash him if you must, but keep in mind, the comments made on this site are worthless.

On the topic of The war in Iraq. Lets think about it, every war is for the benifit of the nation fighting it. We won't know the true reasn for this war untill 50 years, when all of those crazy documents come out. But I can tell you, President Bush, is not Anti-American, and he along with his crew are probably waging this war for a benifit that we won't know. Of course things may have gone horribly wrong for them, again, we don't know. But saying you do know is complete and utter bullshit. The fact of the matter is, you can guess and think you are right all you want, but again, you won't find out. The government is not as stupid as you people think.

I hate Bright Eyes, not because of their message or what not, but because this kids voice is terrbile, and he sounds like a horrible Bob Dylan. It's embarrising to listen to in my honest opinion. I can't stand their instrumentals, and I think all together it's garbage. Declare them top indie band (Doesn't say much in todays society) it still doesn't mean they are amazing to me.

This guys message isn't "Groundbreaking" and he doens't have an balls, this message is the topic of millions of generic artists, and rap artists (not the mainstream southern garbage). Anti-Government is a theme millions of sheep we call teenagers will follow. Hardly groundbreaking. Give him a title, still doesn't change what he really is.

Also, weather or not you disagree with the president, 1 thing is for sure, is that he has accomplished more in his life than any of you kids will. So when you bash him, go aead, most people will still end up a nobody. He may be hated, but hell he was my President, (Legitamte or not) and for that I salute you.

Keep in mind I am a liberal, but I don't like when people bash bush because again, you guys including myself will never achieve anything of that importance in your life, so bash him if you must, but keep in mind, the comments made on this site are worthless.

I'm young and I activly particiate in my community, so no I do not sit around and rot, unlike most people I better myself and the community around me, but I'd like to further enforce the fact most of us are little worthless beings in the bigger picture. This forum will not activly effect my choices I make.

On the topic of The war in Iraq. Lets think about it, every war is for the benifit of the nation fighting it. We won't know the true reasn for this war untill 50 years, when all of those crazy documents come out. But I can tell you, President Bush, is not Anti-American, and he along with his crew are probably waging this war for a benifit that we won't know. Of course things may have gone horribly wrong for them, again, we don't know. But saying you do know is complete and utter bullshit. The fact of the matter is, you can guess and think you are right all you want, but again, you won't find out. The government is not as stupid as you people think.

I hate Bright Eyes, not because of their message or what not, but because this kids voice is terrbile, and he sounds like a horrible Bob Dylan. It's embarrising to listen to in my honest opinion. I can't stand their instrumentals, and I think all together it's garbage. Declare them top indie band (Doesn't say much in todays society) it still doesn't mean they are amazing to me.

This guys message isn't "Groundbreaking" and he doens't have an balls, this message is the topic of millions of generic artists, and rap artists (not the mainstream southern garbage). Anti-Government is a theme millions of sheep we call teenagers will follow. Hardly groundbreaking. Give him a title, still doesn't change what he really is.

Also, weather or not you disagree with the president, 1 thing is for sure, is that he has accomplished more in his life than any of you kids will. So when you bash him, go aead, most people will still end up a nobody. He may be hated, but hell he was my President, (Legitamte or not) and for that I salute you.

Keep in mind I am a liberal, but I don't like when people bash bush because again, you guys including myself will never achieve anything of that importance in your life, so bash him if you must, but keep in mind, the comments made on this site are worthless.

I'm young and I activly particiate in my community, so no I do not sit around and rot, unlike most people I better myself and the community around me, but I'd like to further enforce the fact most of us are little worthless beings in the bigger picture. This forum will not activly effect my choices I make.

On the topic of The war in Iraq. Lets think about it, every war is for the benifit of the nation fighting it. We won't know the true reasn for this war untill 50 years, when all of those crazy documents come out. But I can tell you, President Bush, is not Anti-American, and he along with his crew are probably waging this war for a benifit that we won't know. Of course things may have gone horribly wrong for them, again, we don't know. But saying you do know is complete and utter bullshit. The fact of the matter is, you can guess and think you are right all you want, but again, you won't find out. The government is not as stupid as you people think.

I hate Bright Eyes, not because of their message or what not, but because this kids voice is terrbile, and he sounds like a horrible Bob Dylan. It's embarrising to listen to in my honest opinion. I can't stand their instrumentals, and I think all together it's garbage. Declare them top indie band (Doesn't say much in todays society) it still doesn't mean they are amazing to me.

This guys message isn't "Groundbreaking" and he doens't have an balls, this message is the topic of millions of generic artists, and rap artists (not the mainstream southern garbage). Anti-Government is a theme millions of sheep we call teenagers will follow. Hardly groundbreaking. Give him a title, still doesn't change what he really is.

Also, weather or not you disagree with the president, 1 thing is for sure, is that he has accomplished more in his life than any of you kids will. So when you bash him, go aead, most people will still end up a nobody. He may be hated, but hell he was my President, (Legitamte or not) and for that I salute you.

Keep in mind I am a liberal, but I don't like when people bash bush because again, you guys including myself will never achieve anything of that importance in your life, so bash him if you must, but keep in mind, the comments made on this site are worthless.

I'm young and I activly particiate in my community, so no I do not sit around and rot, unlike most people I better myself and the community around me, but I'd like to further enforce the fact most of us are little worthless beings in the bigger picture. This forum will not activly effect my choices I make.

On the topic of The war in Iraq. Lets think about it, every war is for the benifit of the nation fighting it. We won't know the true reasn for this war untill 50 years, when all of those crazy documents come out. But I can tell you, President Bush, is not Anti-American, and he along with his crew are probably waging this war for a benifit that we won't know. Of course things may have gone horribly wrong for them, again, we don't know. But saying you do know is complete and utter bullshit. The fact of the matter is, you can guess and think you are right all you want, but again, you won't find out. The government is not as stupid as you people think.

I hate Bright Eyes, not because of their message or what not, but because this kids voice is terrbile, and he sounds like a horrible Bob Dylan. It's embarrising to listen to in my honest opinion. I can't stand their instrumentals, and I think all together it's garbage. Declare them top indie band (Doesn't say much in todays society) it still doesn't mean they are amazing to me.

This guys message isn't "Groundbreaking" and he doens't have an balls, this message is the topic of millions of generic artists, and rap artists (not the mainstream southern garbage). Anti-Government is a theme millions of sheep we call teenagers will follow. Hardly groundbreaking. Give him a title, still doesn't change what he really is.

Also, weather or not you disagree with the president, 1 thing is for sure, is that he has accomplished more in his life than any of you kids will. So when you bash him, go aead, most people will still end up a nobody. He may be hated, but hell he was my President, (Legitamte or not) and for that I salute you.

Keep in mind I am a liberal, but I don't like when people bash bush because again, you guys including myself will never achieve anything of that importance in your life, so bash him if you must, but keep in mind, the comments made on this site are worthless.

I'm young and I activly particiate in my community, so no I do not sit around and rot, unlike most people I better myself and the community around me, but I'd like to further enforce the fact most of us are little worthless beings in the bigger picture. This forum will not activly effect my choices I make.

The internet is a powerful tool. We could all use it to argue with each other, or maybe to read up on the issues in this song that have everyone so heated.

First I'd like to add that the notion of destroying terrosism is utterly absurd, how can you possibly hope to destroy a millitary tactic? You may as well try and destroy something as abstract as revisionism. You can't actually attack it, because it's a concept. Something that has no body or matter, it's merely a word. Second, I can't believe how many people stick to their sides of the fence, defending them to no end. Democrat, Republican,... frankly their all bullshit. I don't identify with any political party. Anyone who stubbornly sticks to one side or the other is a fool. Both of their agendas are remarkably the same, and totally corrupt. Sure, a lot of Republicans voted for the war in Iraq, but when anyone talks about the possibility of NOT going to war with Iran, I haven't heard one Democrat speak against. (I'm talking politicians here, not constituants). Thirdly, I'm sorry to say, wether you like it or not, this song really will have no effect, except perhaps to the individual who listens to it. Politicians are notoriously deaf to Rock'n'Roll, or any other genre of music for that matter. I don't believe a song is going to elect a different president, if that were so oh how different the world would be. Lastly, I don't really believe Islam is the problem. We are. There are rammifications for every action, and every inaction. For almost two decades now we've been policing the middle east, and just about everywhere else. Someone was bound to get pissed off. It's called back blow, a term created by our own C.I.A. I'm not saying that certain countries didn't need help, and that there aren't any now who could use it, I just happen to believe we should take care of our own problems first. Thanks for reading this, I'm not trying to piss anyone off, just speaking my mind. Last I checked, we still have that liberty. Let's use it.

I really hope You all realize your just as bad as all the rubbish and depressing nonsense thats going on in the world.

i dont get it, i dont think i'm ever going to understand?
why can't you all just chill the fuck out.

Doesn't just this forum, and the way people talk to one another make you realize why all this stuff happens within the world...
it's just a song, simply raw emotion but this man clearly still writes whatever he wants...

clearly gents, he wasnt writing it to please everybody and get in and be all hip and such with teeny boppers.
it wears me out listening to you argue about who is smarter, who knows more, your all just living off facts, living off what you learnt about!!
You think your so fucking amazing cause you have a degree..
Yet the man who sits alone in the park, you know more then him huh? cause you have a pretty certificate sitting on your wall,
gee, we live in such a material world, how can you not see that...
wow, man, i went too school for 12 years to work in an office, i melt my brain due to excessive alcohol and drugs, but my life is set, and i am wiser and smarter cause remember, I have a degree.

it is a good song, and maybe to some, it isnt, but seriously, why does there have to be so much discussion about it, why so much disagreement.
you all seem to disagree with war
but arn't wars just arguments, simply notably larger..
yet thats what you all are having...
PETTY ADULT WARS

i'm not sure if anyone has noticed this ,
but the lyrics are wrong .
"will the president reccomend an oil hike
when the president talks to god?"

is actually supposed to be ,
"will God reccomend an oil hike when the president talks to god?"

you all probably don't care since you all are shoved so far up each other's asses about politics and where you stand with them , Bush , and the war .
Grow up , thanks .

who the fuk does Lol think he is
pull your head out of your ass
i bet your like 80 and weigh like 300
you idiot wat the hell
he hasn't achieved anything

john take your head out of your ass
do you know whats been happening
on our earth the last 8 years
i can't beleve how dumb you are

Biz is a retarded troll.