can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have a post about how much of a disaster last night's oh no oh my show was?

Follow up question: if The Strokes appropriate a riff from a classic song written and performed by an internationally known rock star, and use it as the basis for their most recognizable single, what will that rock star do?

Answer: if that rock star is Tom Petty (American Girl -> Last Nite), he won't care.

Right on. The Strokes openly rip off tons of other music.

i went to college with ryan...he was such a tool im surprised he didnt kick his own ass.

rock -- and other popular music forms -- are partly about this kind of theft. it's what keeps it fresh. it's what you do with what you swipe that counts. just ask dylan -- he ripped innumerable folk songs for their melodies. ask the stones, who snaked tons of bluesmen's riffs [slim harpo, muddy, etc]. Re: the strokes' "last nite" -- that bo diddley beat has been abused for decades [iggy's lust for life, etc]. these artists' innovations lie in how they cross pollinate with their influences [and culturally-inherited templates] and put their unqiue stamp on them.

except that The Strokes have openly admitted ripping off "American Girl" directly, not a more general "Bo Diddley beat". Nothing unique here- it's a direct rip.

I know the Stones gave k.d. lang and her songwriting partner(s) co-credit for their song "Anybody Seen My Baby" because its chorus sounds like that of "Constant Craving." (If I recall correctly, the Stones denied intentionally copying "Constant Craving.") Did The Strokes give Tom Petty and whoever else co-credit for "Last Nite"?

Copyrights and culture are uneasy bedfellows. Commodity (corporiations) and culture are even worse.

Culture is inherently cumulative as layer is stacked upon layer. I used to think that sampling in hip-hop was stealing until I came to this realization - likely after reading Free Culture by Lawrence Lessig. (Free as in fredom, not as in free beer.) In his book, Lessig argues that while the constitution granted Congress the ability to give these protections for a "limited" time, the result has instead been perpetual (to protect Mickey Mouse from falling into the public domain), resulting in reduced creative rights for the individual and more protections for the corporation.

Once "artists" start to view their creations *more* as commodity and less as culture, it pretty much signals the end of their days as artists and the beginning of their days as suits.

"Did The Strokes give Tom Petty and whoever else co-credit for "Last Nite"?"

No, it came out later in interviews that they ripped it intentionally, though

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I am a songwriter and I have sent my songs to be placed on
demo. Some of my songs now are on demo. But there is one company and one
individual I sent some of my songs too. And things didn't go so good with
this company and this one individual. That had claimed they'd help but
didn't. I have my songs on tape with the tune and I've sent lyrics
showing me as the songwriter. I was wondering if I should be concerned? I
do have proof that shows I am the songwriter of these songs as far as
having the tune on tape and lyrics. This does show to an extent that I am
the songwriter right? And with me having another copy of this tape-tune
and lyrics. And I have my own site that shows I am the one that wrote
these songs. Of my lyrics on this site. Over all my songs.I'm just
worried now with things not going so good. And how there are frauds out
there that steal other peoples work. I have alot of songs and I'm unable to
get them all on demo at one time. And spending a whole bunch of money
to protect them. If your able to help me out over this matter I'd
appreciate this so much.

Thank you,

Karen Johnson
Cleveland, Ok. 74020

I am a songwriter and I have sent my songs to be placed on
demo. Some of my songs now are on demo. But there is one company and one
individual I sent some of my songs too. And things didn't go so good with
this company and this one individual. That had claimed they'd help but
didn't. I have my songs on tape with the tune and I've sent lyrics
showing me as the songwriter. I was wondering if I should be concerned? I
do have proof that shows I am the songwriter of these songs as far as
having the tune on tape and lyrics. This does show to an extent that I am
the songwriter right? And with me having another copy of this tape-tune
and lyrics. And I have my own site that shows I am the one that wrote
these songs. Of my lyrics on this site. Over all my songs.I'm just
worried now with things not going so good. And how there are frauds out
there that steal other peoples work. I have alot of songs and I'm unable to
get them all on demo at one time. And spending a whole bunch of money
to protect them. If your able to help me out over this matter I'd
appreciate this so much.

Thank you,

Karen Johnson
Cleveland, Ok. 74020