Posted in on September 8, 2006

====> SATURDAY 9/9 @ 339 SCHOLES ST, BROOKLYN, NY <====
"I (Todd P) am back in effect in the NYC and have a HUGE afternoon party to tell you about - it's my birthday party / back-2-school shindig / Summertime OUTDOOR AFTERNOON SHOW EXTRAVAGANZA"

11:00 : possible secret suprise guest
10:00 :: Dirty Projectors -- chill down set
9:15 :::: Growing
8:30 ::::: Comets on Fire
7:45 :::::: Ex Models
7:00 ::::::: Matt and Kim
6:15 :::::::: Excepter
5:30 ::::::::: BIG A little a -----> final show w/ Hank Shteamer
4:45 :::::::::: Talibam interlude
4:00 ::::::::::: Vaz
3:15 :::::::::::: Child Abuse
2:30 ::::::::::::: High Places
1:45 :::::::::::::: Stars Like Fleas
1:00 ::::::::::::::: Roxy Pain
12:30 ::::::::::::::: Artanker Convoy
12:00 :::::::::::::::: Talibam!

more info at Todd's site.

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Tags: Matt and Kim

Comments (65)

oh shit! comets on fire!

Posted by nick | September 8, 2006 5:29 PM

dear brooklyn vegan,

is nothing sacred? please don't post about any more todd p shows. some things should remain small, word of mouth and awesome. i like my todd p showss with 12 people in attendance, not 1200.

love,

concerned brooklyn inhabitant

Posted by Anonymous | September 8, 2006 8:12 PM

> some things should remain small, word of mouth and awesome.

Don't worry, Pitchfork and other blogs haven't mentioned any of these bands, so the indie-rock sheep will not be interested in them yet.

Posted by Anonymous | September 8, 2006 8:35 PM

yeah, i'm sure all the bands would be really pissed if people who might be interested in their music showed up at their concerts.

Posted by Anonymous | September 8, 2006 8:51 PM

the first one of these was soo much fun. beautiful day, japanther, spankrock, this bike is a pipe bomb, parts and labor, etc. just lots of interesting and energetic new music and a relaxed atmosphere. say what you will about todd p, he puts on a good show. the more the merrier. cant wait for tomorrow!

Posted by Anonymous | September 8, 2006 10:45 PM

i don't anyone to know about bands i like because i am too insecure.

Thank you.

Posted by Anonymous | September 8, 2006 11:41 PM

Nightcrawler is definitely the best character on the X-Men arcade game, and anyone who disagrees hates freedom.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2006 2:22 AM

>>some things should remain small, word of mouth and awesome

Which is why this was promoted in the Village Voice. Because nobody reads the Voice, anymore.

Posted by J | September 9, 2006 10:35 AM

someone wrote in:

"Hey, the Avengers mentioned on stage tonight that they'd be playing a secret show in Brooklyn tomorrow after their Maxwell's show."

Posted by brooklynvegan | September 9, 2006 5:29 PM

WTF?!? The outdoor show is actually indoors! Boo!

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2006 6:49 PM

Avengers are playing Trash tonight, though someone at Todd P's guessed they *might* be the "possible guest" there, too.

Posted by J | September 9, 2006 8:21 PM

Yup, their mypsace page confirms it. I doubt they will not play Todd P.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2006 9:02 PM

I think Todd P. should get a job

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2006 2:36 AM

this was the lamest show ever. "outdoor/indoor" means, apparently, an incredibly hot and dirty warehouse, with an unventilated alley in the back, and the shittiest sound system of all time.

i'm down with the DIY thing, of course. but when you're charging "10 to 20" dollars at the door and 5 bones for a drink...come on.

Posted by tarzan | September 10, 2006 3:30 PM

go back to the jungle tarzan.

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2006 4:20 PM

who charged you 5 bucks a drink? PBR was $3, did you order a long island iced tea or something?

Posted by Jimmy Legs | September 10, 2006 4:44 PM

tarzan-- surely you loved those stoner chicks who knocked out the power during the comets on fire set!

Posted by roberton | September 10, 2006 6:30 PM

those girls were certainly out of order, but I don't know that they actually knocked out the power. We traced it to a plugboard at the back of the stage. But they certainly knocked out the guitarist.

Posted by joly | September 10, 2006 8:07 PM

PBR sucks! Only hipsters drink that swill!

Posted by Spuds McKenzie | September 10, 2006 8:33 PM

im all about stoned chicks acting a fool. i should have gone.

Posted by nick | September 10, 2006 9:33 PM

This was great fun, had a fantastic time! not quite sure what tarzan is on about.."unventilated alley"? huh? That alley had better ventilation than most, actually. the loft area was a bit dank, so what. the sound actually seemed pretty good to me. anyway, I had to leave a little early. was there a secret guest, was it the avengers?

Posted by gypsymazzurco | September 10, 2006 10:09 PM

ahh - once again, the lurking-mysterious-embittered-anonymous-Brooklyn-Vegan-Todd-P-debunking commenter strikes!

mr Tarzan, anonymous et al, what is up your butt? everyone had a helluva a time at this show.

Posted by billy boy | September 11, 2006 12:55 AM

the sound inside and out was really good, actually.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 2:41 AM

that show was awful. what a shitty crowd it was like freshman orientation.

Posted by schmitzkavitz | September 11, 2006 12:31 PM

that was the best show I've been to in months

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 12:52 PM

ummmmm....mr. billy boy, i think it's safe to say that there is more than 1 person who is not so impressed with Todd P. i'm the one who made a comment a few weeks ago, but that Tarzan comment wasn't me. i didn't make it to this show.
in fact, the last comment i made was the only time i've ever mentioned Todd.
I take it back, i think Todd should book McCarren Pool, Madison Square Garden, and the PNC Bank Arts Center. He's a GENIUS! $3 PBRs, who would have ever thought of such a wonderful idea!

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 12:59 PM

the alley had better ventilation than most? it was a fucking alley, not an "outdoor stage."

were you there during the Aa set? was it comfortable? was the sound passable? (i.e. were the microphones working? cause from where I was standing that did not appear to be the case.)

this whole thing reminds me of that aziz ansari other music sketch. we're gonna have a devendra banhart show, in a dumpster on 34th street...

Posted by tarzan | September 11, 2006 2:32 PM

No one's claiming that that Todd P is a genius, he's not, but I don't see anyone else, real venues or otherwise, putting on shows like this(lots of interesting local bands in one place for $10)in NYC. Part of the fun of going to one of these shows is not really knowing what to expect.

speaking of which, tarzan - it seems like you were really offended by the location for some reason. No one said anything about there being an "outdoor stage", and considering that it WAS an alleyway, the ventilation was great, being that it was not surrounded by buildings on all sides, as most alleys in the city are. Your initial complaint that it was 'unventilated' just doenst make any sense. There was plenty of open sky above us all. what are you so upset about? I thought Aa really sounded awesome, maybe I'm just easy to please. saturday, good weather, friends, beer, interesting music, whats to complain about?

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 3:17 PM

For the record - big a little a uses their own soudsystem and their own mikes and mixer. if there are ever any sound problems during a Big A little a shpw, it is the band's own fault.

They were also the last band to play outside, after which the entire show moved inside to a much bigger space. If it was cramped it was because it was the peak attendance before everything got moved to the bigger room.

also for the record - possibly you should know what you're talking about before you rip other people's efforts? Why be such a shitalker when you you aren't even sure you're right about what you're saying? Here you're clearly wrong on the details.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 3:41 PM

unventilated? one of the four walls was a chainlink fence and the whole thing was open to the sky. I don't see how that equals unventilated.

the inside space had tons of open windows and an open loading dock big enough to drive a truck through.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 3:44 PM

what's the webster's definition of outdoor stage? I'm pretty sure that if the stage is outside, then its an outdoor stage - no rule that it can't be alley shaped.

it wasn't the mccarren park pool - but then again it didn't cost $50 to get in and/or wasn't financed and dictated by corporate sponsorships either (ala the free shows at MCPP). in my opinon, it sounded better that MCPP too - and anyway, that shito's played anyhow.

Why would you wanna shit on this? It was a good time, totally independent and fun, bands were great / sounded great, the beer was cheap 'n flowing, the folks were full of good vibes, and the weather was nice.

your hatin is pretty hard to get - everybody there was havin a hella great time. I just looked at some Flickr phots and the whole thang looks epic and awesome - everybody smilin.

Maybe if you took a look around and learned how to chill out, you might get your own band good enough to get booked on one of these things next year. Maybe you'd lose that chip on your shoulder then.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 4:02 PM

you know I had a terrific time at this show on Saturday & it was special enuff that this anono-shittalker is annoying the foick out of me.
Luckily Sept. 11th is a pretty slow day on the job so I spent a half hour looking up blogs to counteract this bullshit fest.

here's the tally -

# of blogs I found saying great stuff about Saturday's show (jus 2 days after it happenened):
*4*

# of blogs saying negative things about the show:
I only found these anono-comments here

here are the blogs I found:

http://emalmai.livejournal.com/31759.html
http://quickbrownfox.wordpress.com/2006/09/10/todd-p-mattandkim/
http://lifenxcess.livejournal.com/77579.html
http://www.thestranger.com/lineout/2006/09/hol_shit.php

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 4:47 PM

no other venues are really as cheap I guess. I would assume that the reason is because they are legal and actually have expenses like insurance and permits to pay for.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 5:02 PM

I'm not sure I agree with you about ticket prices. Cakeshop is as cheap and is perfectly legal, Todd P shows are equally as cheap whether at "real" venues or temporary ones.

Why does McCarren Park Pool get an apologist (in the form of you) for overpriced tickets when other places seem to be able to charge a lot less?

and what makes you presume all those "real" venues have all their legal ducks in order anyway? Wasn't Scenic just closed down this year, North Six for a few months a few years ago? Didn't Webster Hall get shut down for a couple of days last year? "Legal" is in the eye of the beholder - and whether "legitimate" or not doesn't have any direct correlation with ticket prices.

Most of your ticket cost goes straight to cover the guarantees that the bands demand for the show, the other element is how efficient or inefficient the club is at putting on shows. Venues like Bowery take 50%(!) after expenses of the ticket price for themselves. Places like Warsaw take $7000-12000+ off the top before bands get paid. Places like Northsix take about $500. Cakeshop takes just about $100. When you look down the barrel at a ticket price that is sky high, don't presume you are being charged a fair amount - you are typically being scalped by the club, the promoters, and by the bands themselves.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 5:24 PM

rothko was also closed down by the fire department this year.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 5:31 PM

by legal, I mean that they actually have a liquor license, they pay taxes, have insurance, have been inspected by the Fire dept. for safety. I'm sure all of this costs an outrageous amount of money and are not really "in the eye of the beholder".
I believe ticket price probably is decided by the band in most cases.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 5:35 PM

did you not read the third paragraph there?

obviously not all the seemingly legit clubs have done all the things you mention. If they all did everything by the book, then how'd they get shut down? The liquor license maybe, but the other shit? definitely not universal.

And yet their ticket prices were high before, are high now.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 5:39 PM

those places would not be allowed to reopen if those things were not taken care of. e.g. Rothko.
I'm in no way defending Clear Channel venues- they rip your ass off. Independent venues are basically charging what the band wants.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 5:45 PM

I can say without no doubt whatsoever - no club in New York (or even any bar for that matter) pays their taxes legitimately. Why do you think they all use old antique cash registers? Why do you think so many clubs don't take credit cards and instead just have an ATM?

It's because they don't keep exact records of sales. I've managed many bars and clubs and they all make up their books when it comes to taxes.

Posted by Andrew | September 11, 2006 5:45 PM

no BUSINESS pays their taxes legitimately! I think music venues are probably one of the lesser examples of "corporate greed" in our business world.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 5:48 PM

> those places would not be allowed to reopen if
> those things were not taken care of. e.g.
> Rothko.

loopholes, lawyers, "expediters", and indirect bribery can get you out of a lot of trouble in this city.

Friends in the police, the fire deptartment, on the community board, etc, can keep you from ever encountering scrutiny.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 5:49 PM

I don't think music venues are the epitomy of corporate greed - but I don't think that gets them off the hook either.

Ultimately, indie movements, be they fashion or art or music or whatever, are one of the few things left in our culture that we actually create for ourselves. There is no-one sitting in an office deciding what the next crop of awesome bands in the Bushwick lofts is going to sound like - they come out of our collective community of hipsters and slummin' it middle-class white kids.

We should cherish that this is something we create and that we own.

When clubs and promoters start to limit their trouble and their liability by charging fewer people larger amounts of money to see shows that would make equal (or greater) money my charging lesser amounts to more showgoers, they are 1.) discluding anyone in the wrong income bracket and 2.) deciding the exposure and course of music purely by economic instead of artistic measures.

Why do we put up with the immediate capitalisation of any one of our homegrown acts that makes it even marginally big? Why do the bands do it?

The answer is simple - you get to a certain level as a band and you're no longer able to dicate anything about the course of your carreer. You have to compromise to what the clubs and the promoters at that level demand or else they won't let you be exposed to the public at all - you have no chance of getting bigger.

Why is it economically feasible to put on a show for a band one year that draws 30 people at $5 a head, and then the next year, after said band gets big, it magically becomes "economically impossible" to charge anything less than $35 a head to the 5000 poeple who are now willing to see them?

Why not charge something closer to $5 and get more people?

The same thing has happenned in ticket prices as happenned in record sales over the last 30 years. Prices have risen steadily faster than inflation, but the total number of albums / tickets sold every year has gone down hugely. Why is this?

Obviously, promoters have decided to market only to higher income brackets and to lock out people who can't afford it. They figure this saves them trouble and makes them the same money - I see it as co-opting and stealing something that is our collective property - the music and art and scene that we created, not them.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 6:13 PM

you are so wrong, it is the bands demanding to make a certain $ amount per show that, in most cases, dictates the ticket price. Corporate venues (i.e. Live Nation) tack on exorbitant service charges to increase their profits.
It's not the case that venues "force" bands to play for more than $5 ticket.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 6:25 PM

it is the bands who make the decision to play at a corporate venue instead of an independent venue also. They don't give a shit about what income bracket the ticket buyers are in or whether or not they have to pay ridiculous service charges. they just want their money!

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 6:27 PM

I think you guys are forgetting about the influence of career booking agents on this whole process.

this sudden ticket price explosion is something the bands are complicit in, yes, but it is because they get a cretainn level suddenly - don't know what to do - and quickly are approached by everyone at that level - namely agents, managers, clubs, promoters - putting pressure on them to be "professional" and do what all the other bands at their level are doing - ie, charge a buttload for their shows.

bands going from affordable nobodies to overpriced somebodies in the indie scene overnight is actually pretty shitty for the bands themsleves in the long run. They flame out faster and are eagerly replaced by the next year's batch of hyped nobodies who explode then are forgotten. Everybody in the process would be better served to not try to get rich so quick - it rarely works out that way. Bands spend alot of time trying to get noticed, then peak, then spend a long slow decline making lots less money. Whatever money they ever managed to fleetingly make goes right up their noses, usually.

If every band and agent didn't push for the same "get as much money as possible, and fast" attitude, then shows would be cheaper, more people would go to them, and the pool of fans and their collective money would be bigger. There's also arguably be a longer arc of creative existence for more bands.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 6:38 PM

well put

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 6:58 PM

loopholes lawyers, expediters, bribes, whatever. don't you think they are expensive too?

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 7:40 PM

whatever, shit was awesome, i left before dirty projectors-- and they were?-- and was there a special guest? i saw the parts and labor dudes milling around-- maybe?

Posted by roberton | September 11, 2006 7:54 PM

"loopholes lawyers, expediters, bribes, whatever. don't you think they are expensive too?"

yes they are expensive, but don't you think Todd P and other under-the-radar people have to worry about those sorts of expenses too - probably more so?

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 8:07 PM

no, because if an "under the radar" type show gets shut down, they can just move on to another spot and start over again. if a so-called "legit" venue gets shut down, they have only 2 choices- go out of business or spend a ton of money to reopen.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 8:24 PM

can no one answer the simple questions of: was there a special guest? and if so who were they?

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2006 10:31 PM

special guest didn't pan out - but the show was rad and way more than enough anyhow.

Todd said it was maybe going to be Lightning Bolt, but schedules didn't work in the end.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 1:55 AM

"no, because if an "under the radar" type show gets shut down, they can just move on to another spot and start over again. if a so-called "legit" venue gets shut down, they have only 2 choices- go out of business or spend a ton of money to reopen."

I think both kinds of businesses end up outlaying a lot of cash (and not in the above-the-counter kind of ways) to not get shut down in the first place. Probably more of an outlay for the under-the-radar kind of people.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 11:12 AM

the point is that there's nothing particularly "playing by the rules" that should make us have more sympathy for the established venues. Some do the legal, safety stuff, others do not, most are somewhere in the middle.

I'm pretty sure that Great White fire a few years ago where so many pople died was at what you would call a legitimate venue.

Anyway, I can't think of a single "real" venue in Brooklyn that has any artistic direction or community interest at all - I'll take possibly dangerous loft warehouses over overpriced, dull, uninspiring clubs any day.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 1:08 PM

I think it's more a case where, in general, bands no longer have any artistic direction or interest in community.
What makes a club dull is dull music being performed.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 3:16 PM

clubs choose which bands they book - they each pay someone a hefty chunk of the door money and usually a salary on top of it to find acts that they want to associate their spaces with.

They are plenty of incredibly talented and fresh bands in the Brooklyn scene (err ... not so much Manhattan) - Brooklyn has without any doubt the most vibrant independent music scene in the USA right now.

The music "industry" - clubs, bookers, promoters, agents, publicity people, label owners - is solely to blaim for pushing shitty, dull bands and ignoring the better, brighter scene that is right out there. That NorthSix and Pianos and (particularly) Trash and Mercury Lounge and Knitting Factory are boring as shit is nobody's fault but their own.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 4:35 PM

clubs are the same to music as galleries are to visual art.

as you would judge a gallery curator, we should judge club bookers.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 4:37 PM

I see the same bands at those venues as I see at Todd P shows (and they usually sound way better). I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I think those clubs all book a pretty good representation of what's out there. You're probably just disgruntled because they don't book your band!

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 6:15 PM

don't got a band, but I think Pianos and Mercury Lounge are dull as shit and not too friendly either. Their booking is shite 9 times out of ten and all the great soundsystem in the world can't help if the sound guy doesn't have an open mind for new music (not that much of it happens at either place!)

Other places like Trash and Delancey and Rothko and Lit and Fat Baby and Annex and Fontana and Midway and a bunch of other poseur spots don't even warrant criticism - they're jokes.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 7:15 PM

I don't see the bands from Todd P shows regularly at any clubs, with the occasional exception of Cakeshop and Tonic, so I'm not sure what *you're* talking about.

I also don't get your gripe about the sound - Todd P's soundsystems usually have subs, monitors, and all the shit you see at clubs. Maybe you don't know anything about sound and are just talking out your ass?

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 7:34 PM

oh, i meant just the ones that can get more than 12 people to see them play.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 8:16 PM

when was the last lightning bolt, black dice, ex models, matt and kim, excepter, meneguar, the good good, parts and labor, growing, dirty projectors, oneida, or usaisamonster show at Trash / Delancey / Rothko / Lit / Fat Baby / Annex / Fontana / Midway / Mercury / Pianos?

-cause I guess I missed those.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 8:23 PM

Delancey sucks and is run by a polish coke head crook. Same guy that runs Studio B in Brooklyn.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 8:28 PM

delancey sucks, all these other places suck.

hence, the warehouse shows.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2006 8:35 PM

saturday's show was great, great fun. the outdoor alley thing kind of sucked, but at least the organizers recognized that early. i don't think any bands played out there after the sun went down. it was definitely worth 10 dollars, if only for excepter, m&k, and ex models. all had great sets. i'm pretty sure todd p also had a hand in the tall firs/tlasila show that happpened lat wednesday at the syrup room which was also fantastic. i'll take todd p shows over anything else going on in new york city 90% of the time, actually.

Posted by a. | September 13, 2006 9:29 AM

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