Posted in NYC | music | venues on February 28, 2007

Manitoba's

Poated on MySpace:

Effective immediately, Manitoba's (yes, the bar owned by The Dictators' own Handsome Dick Manitoba) has been forced to stop all live performances due to a neighbor couple that seems to have ignored the fact they purchased their apartment at an extremely low price because they live directly above a Rock N Roll bar that features live music!!

The bar had a hearing on Feb. 13 brought by complaints from the upstairs douchebags that have been harassing them. The bar lost but they're fighting back and are going to hit these assholes with a big lawsuit.

Live music might return pending a legal hearing, but for the time being the bar must bring it all to a screeching halt. If you see their selfish neighbors, please feel free to throw eggs.

But...YOU CAN HELP!!

They need to find the dates of every day they've had shows there going back to September 2006...that way they can show that the bar's revenue is harmed by the lack of shows, etc.

So, If your band has played Manitobas btw Sept. 2006 and Feb. 2007 send that information to Kevin at barflypro@netscape.net

We dont believe the upstairs douchebags have a chance, but again if you played there during that time, You Can Help!

Let's not lose another live venue, not to mention one of the best places in NYC for free punk shows. Dick's been a great supporter- lets support Him now.

Previously
* The Dictators @ CBGB's 3rd-to-last night
* the last Saturday night ever @ CBGB - Dictators & Blondie
* almost-all-THE DICTATORS reunion @ CBGB & Continental

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Comments (92)

Wasn't manitoba the bar that made the other manitoba change their band name?

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 9:27 AM

Is it just me or should Dick Manitoba be the last person calling anyone a douchebag?

This is the man that forced Manitoba to change their name to Caribou by throwing a big stupid hissy fit.

I say what goes around, comes around.

Posted by bryce | February 28, 2007 9:30 AM

yup. that's the "dick" that had them change their name. i guess karma is biting him in the ass this time.

Posted by dizzy | February 28, 2007 9:30 AM

'they' is actually one guy...dan snaith i believe...and yeah, karma is a bitch dick.....

Posted by punkfreud | February 28, 2007 9:37 AM

Ditto what everyone said above. My first reaction was "couldn't happen to a nicer guy."

Posted by Tim | February 28, 2007 9:43 AM

Why do I have little sympathy for bar owners & operators?

Posted by drewo | February 28, 2007 9:43 AM

his bar sucks his band sucked that place never got a good show and he made manitoba change there name. i am pro-neighbors because this guy is a douche.

Posted by captcatfer | February 28, 2007 10:00 AM

>>> Why do I have little sympathy for bar owners & operators?

Why don't you move back to Kansas?

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 10:09 AM

Why did they move into an apt right on top of a bar, or in this case a bar with _live_ music? It's kind of like walking into oncoming traffic & then suing whoever happened to hit you, no? Idiots.

Posted by Marlon | February 28, 2007 10:19 AM

I should call my band Stipe or Townshend or any other iconic last name.

You can't release an album under the Manitoba name if another artist released one under the Dick Manitoba name. It causes confusion and it unjust to the original artist. I have never been to Manitoba's, but the man has the legal right to the name in the recording world. Period.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 10:21 AM

Fuckwit. Did I just hear you compare Handsome Dick Manitoba with Stipe and Townshend? Fucknut.

Go ask 100 people who Handsome Dick Manitoba is.

Manitoba is the name of a Canadian province.

Raise your hand if you never heard of Handsome Dick Manitoba until this controversy, or you stumbled into his bar because you were bored at 7Bs.

Fuckturd. The guy generated alot of illwill from the people that read and comment on sites like this.
I still don't like what's happening here, but it's hard to defend the guy after the Caribou incident.

(by the way, everyone else here is right.)

Posted by slim | February 28, 2007 10:36 AM

that's freakin stupid...I believe canada had the name first...canada should sue dick manitoba.

Posted by dave | February 28, 2007 10:38 AM

He should change the bar's name to Caribou's, only to be sued by Dan Snaith.

Posted by sjb | February 28, 2007 10:41 AM

He should change the bar's name to Caribou's, only to be sued by Dan Snaith.

Posted by sjb | February 28, 2007 10:41 AM

He should change the bar's name to Caribou's, only to be sued by Dan Snaith.

Posted by sjb | February 28, 2007 10:41 AM

This is just another example of the horrible kind of people that keep filling up the real estate in the gentrified East Village. These are the kind of people that are moving in at a rapid rate and are destroying the culture and the nightlife of NYC. They are moving in to an inner city very urban area with a rich artistic heritage and bringing with them money and a bland suburban mindset which they intend to spread out to all around (and under them). Unfortunately this is happening all to often and soon the Lower east Side will just end up being another Upper East Side. Pity.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 10:47 AM

The people that moved above a live music venue and then retaliated against the venue for having live music either are retards that did not do their homework and moved in clueless, or complete assholes that new very well what as going on downstairs and had every intention of trying to shut it down once they moved in. In either case these new tenants or owners of the Apt upstairs are not cool. Long Live Manitobas! I hope he wins the fight.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 10:56 AM

> (by the way, everyone else here is right.)

Everyone else must not be a lawyer because THE LAW sides with Handsome Dick. In the end, that's all that matters.

BTW, who is Dan Snaith?

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 11:04 AM

The comparison of these people preventing Manitobas from presenting live music to Manitoba preventing someone from using the same last name as his is not a fair comparison. In this new fight, the couple moved into an ALREADY EXISTING situation where live music was being presented, and have effectively shut it down for their own selfish comfort. In the prior case, Manitoba had an ALREADY EXISTING showbusiness name and another recording artist came along using it. In both cases it seems clear that Manitoba has the right.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 11:10 AM

The comparison of these people preventing Manitobas from presenting live music to Manitoba preventing someone from using the same last name as his is not a fair comparison. In this new fight, the couple moved into an ALREADY EXISTING situation where live music was being presented, and have effectively shut it down for their own selfish comfort. In the prior case, Manitoba had an ALREADY EXISTING showbusiness name and another recording artist came along using it. In both cases it seems clear that Manitoba has the right.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 11:10 AM

He is Right!

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 11:13 AM

i dunno...im siding with dick on this one. shitheads move above a bar should know what theyre in for.

and for the record, the dictators rule...far more than caribou.

and the east village is a shithole from thursday night through sunday morning.

Posted by sam | February 28, 2007 11:13 AM

The Manitoba Moose are a damn good hockey team. 9-1 over their last 10 games.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 11:16 AM

"THE LAW sides with Handsome Dick. In the end, that's all that matters."

Looks like THE LAW is going to be siding with THE ASSHOLE NEIGHBORS, and I guess that's all that matters.

Come on, the guy made a band of minimal impact, and his name ( which was NOT the name of the band! ) even less, and it's a name of a fucking massive landmass that you learn in 5th grade geography! Sense sides against Handsome Dick.

I thought this would be 100% no-brain obvious. isn't it?

Posted by slim | February 28, 2007 11:37 AM

"Between Manitoba's Up In Flames and the new album by the same guy continuing the same project but under the name Caribou, there was a lot of drama. Some asshole punk rocker guy (whose name I won't mention in full because I suspect most of the reason he pulled this was for publicity and I don't want to give him any) with Manitoba in his name sued Dan Snaith (the brains behind Manitoba/Caribou) for trademark infringement and because he couldn't afford to take part in a silly legal battle, Snaith just changed his pseudonym to Caribou. Snaith has been quoted as saying that the new name came about thanks to an LSD-fueled trip through Canada. Perhaps, then, the new Caribou album's title, The Milk of Human Kindness, is a sly reference to the circumstances that led to the name-change."

http://www.indieworkshop.com/music.php?id=1735

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 11:46 AM

Oh, snap, that Web site ^^^ called him a punk rocker!

"Manitoba is the name of a Canadian province."

Boston and Chicago are the names of major U.S. cities, ergo I should be allowed to record under the name Boston or Chicago.

"Raise your hand if you never heard of Handsome Dick Manitoba until this controversy"

Raise your hand if you'd never heard of Caribou before this cotroversy.

Posted by Ramón | February 28, 2007 11:59 AM

clearly the bar deserves this for what they did to manitoba/caribou. as stated before... KARMA!

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 12:27 PM

"Raise your hand if you'd never heard of Caribou before this cotroversy."

hey dipshit I'll speak slowly so you can understand. Caribou exists because of this controversy. Which means they'd still be called "Manitoba".

And your Boston/Chicago comment is beyond words.

Posted by slim | February 28, 2007 12:29 PM

"Raise your hand if you never heard of Handsome Dick Manitoba until this controversy, or you stumbled into his bar because you were bored at 7Bs."

You mean the band that played two of the last three nights at CBGB?

Dick Manitoba rules! And Ross the Boss has his back!

http://cbgb.com/shrine/photos/New_Folder/BGR-5.jpg

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 12:32 PM

The Boston/Chicago example is right on. Just because Manitoba is a geographical location doesn't mean it's forever up for grabs and anybody has the right to use it as a recording artist name at any time. There is no public domain usage issues granted to names already appropriated by business or performaers just because they happen to be taken from a location.

If you got there first and are using a locations name in association with a specific business, in the case a performer, it can be challenged if someone else comes along and uses it. Just because Manitoba (the man and the province) is not as well known as Boston or Chicago (the bands and the cities) in the mainstream does not change the fact that the same rules and laws apply.

A band can't come along and suddenly name itself Boston or Chicago or Asia just because they live there. Nor can a singer come along and just change his name to Manitoba because he comes from there.

Manitoba is not Handsome dick's real name, therefore he changed it as a name(and character) to perform under. He therefore has a legal right to use that name in association with being a musical performer and has every right to stop someone else from using that name for said purposes. It happens all the time. The british band the Beat was forced to change their name to the English Beat in US releases and appearances because there was already a Beat here in the U.S. Hey, just look at the never ending multi million dollar lawsuits between Apple records and Apple computers. If Handsome Dick spent three decades performing, advertising and selling himself as Manitoba, and some guy also a musician and singer suddenly appears using the name Manitoba, then HDM has every right to challenge it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 1:16 PM

to the person who thinks that this bar deserves this because HDM had someone else change their name is as selfish and moronic as the couple who shut down the music.

This is not Karma, this is an ahole couple who should never have moved there in the first place and are now ruining everyone else's good time.

If as you suggest, Manitoba and his bar deserves this, then do the many patrons who enjoy live music there and can no longer hear it deserve it too?

You are making a pretty short sighted argument. This involves more people than just Handsome Dick. The many patrons and music lovers and bands and artists that never brought a lawsuit against anyone suffer because of this. Probably none of these performers who can now not express themselves or try to make a living nor the customers who enjoyed a night out have ever forced anyone to change their name. And they are being punished. Where;s the Karma in that?

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 1:25 PM

Snaith's Wild Karma will be playing at the Pillow Fight in Winnipeg, Saturday night. Tickets are now on sale!

Posted by J | February 28, 2007 1:42 PM

jesus, what a depressing spectacle all around.

Posted by jimmy legs | February 28, 2007 1:46 PM

I had never heard of Caribou OR the other guy calling himself Manitoba before that whole thing. I had however, heard of Handsomne Dick Manitoba and his mighty Dictators

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 1:54 PM

Handsome Dick should go over to Canada and reopen CBGBG's there.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 2:00 PM

"Legal gone too far,
Legal gone too far,
Why would live above a bar?"
- Adny

Posted by Dfactor | February 28, 2007 2:01 PM

What has this Caribou guy done lately anyway? Was this whole thing even worth fighting over? Did that guy stop singing and open a bar called Caribou's?

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 2:07 PM

The Dictators Rule! HDM King of Men! And besides, what other bar can you order a White Castle in while drinking?

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 2:12 PM

its just funny considering the asshole manuvers dick manitoba put up of the perceived use of "his" name. you know? its the whole, if you cant take it, dont dish it out thing.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 2:14 PM

"if you cant take it, dont dish it out" ???

Okay. I still don't know why there is any kind of comparison between Manitoba stopping the use of his name and a couple stopping music in his bar. the two have nothing to do with each other. It is not the same thing in any way. The two things are totally seperate issues with completely different reasons behind them and completely different legal issues. Stop grouping these two actions into a simplistic attack of karma, dishing out, etc etc. Manitoba is right, the name is his, and Manitoba is right, the music should stay.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 2:22 PM

He might win this round and get the music back, but even if he did, the writings on the wall. CBGB's won a couple of early fights, but in the end the people with the money always end up silencing the arts in the name of quality of life issues in the never ending gentrification of this area. In the end I don't give this or any other of the smae kind of establishment much longer in this nabe. the kind of people moving into the luxury condos are not interested in seeing punk bands and eating White castle in a cool dive bar, they want expensive restaurants and high end shopping to go with their newly renovated multi- million dollar condo in the former off-limits dangereous alphabet city. Put up the good fight HDM, but soon you'll probably have to bite the bullet and move out to Brooklyn whlile your bar becomes a Starbucks.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 2:28 PM

Stipe. Townsend. Ramone. Manitoba. Jagger. Lennon. Manitoba.

please.

Posted by slim | February 28, 2007 2:34 PM

"I still don't know why there is any kind of comparison between Manitoba stopping the use of his name and a couple stopping music in his bar."

oh yeah, they are literally very different scenarios. we're not stupid dude. but, generally, this can be boiled down to one basic thing...

if youre going to be a HUGE DOUCHE dont play the "woe is me" card down the line. you will find very little sympathy amongst the masses. sure, fanatical dictators fans might be sympathetic because they cant see any fault in his past actions. and uh, will try to compare him to pete townshend. but normal, non-retarded people will laugh and remember how idiotic he was a few years ago and say "no sympathy here, man."

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 2:39 PM

What hasn't been mentioned here is that in addition to performing as "Handsome Dick Manitoba" with The Dictators in the '70s and since they started playing live again in the late '90s, he also fronted a band called Manitoba's Wild Kingdom in the late '80s and early '90s that was comprised of most of the original Dictators member. Thus, it gives his claim a bit more merit. With that said, I'm not saying he necessarily SHOULD HAVE forced Dan to change the name or face a suit, but ultimately from the publicity, I don't think too many Manitoba (i.e. Dan Snaith) fans didn't realize that the Caribou album was done by the same guy so he didn't really lose his traction/market share/whatever.

As for the current issue facing Manitoba's, I agree with the posters above bemoaning the gentrification of the East Village. I used to live in NYC until a little under a year ago and I just don't recognize that area anymore. When I started hanging out there in my teens (this was in the early '90s), it was a slightly (ok very) seedy, very artistic neighborhood with lots of cool places like Manitoba's, tons of clubs, etc. Now it just feels like a frat party on the weekends. How sad. Thus, I'll repeat what was said above. How moronic do you have to be to move above a bar with live music and expect quiet at all hours. Duh! Keep fighting Handsome Dick!

Posted by Matt Berlyant | February 28, 2007 3:52 PM


"Stipe. Townsend. Ramone. Manitoba. Jagger. Lennon. Manitoba. "

Please?

Uh yeah, you have actually unwittingly illustrated why Manitoba was correct in his decision to stop the guy from using his name by listing him amongst the other famous names in your above email.

I know that wasn't your intention but you actually have driven the point home. Manitoba was smart in getting this guy to stop using the name PRECISELY because he isn't that famous or well known to the mainstream, nor was the other Caribou guy. That's the whole point. Therefore someone who waasn't familiar with one of them, or more likely wasn't familiar with either of them, could concevably confuse the two performers if seen listed in an ad, record, etc... No one is gonna get confused by someone who is calling themselves Jagger if it is not Mick Jagger. However people who are not into the Dictators and who are not from Canada might think that Manitoba is one and the same person. He was correct in stopping the guy BECAUSE he isn't as well known.

Thanks for illustrating the point so clearly.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 3:58 PM

hey guy, re-read this and stop posting:

if youre going to be a HUGE DOUCHE dont play the "woe is me" card down the line. you will find very little sympathy amongst the masses. sure, fanatical dictators fans might be sympathetic because they cant see any fault in his past actions. and uh, will try to compare him to pete townshend. but normal, non-retarded people will laugh and remember how idiotic he was a few years ago and say "no sympathy here, man."

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 4:02 PM

With people paying $2500 for a studio, the EV's not even a remotely cool place anymore. And just because it was cool in the 70s/80s, doesn't mean it still needs to be today.

Posted by bryce | February 28, 2007 4:05 PM

Look, the point about the name is pretty simple: Manitoba is neither Handsome Dick's real name or Caribou's. It is a stage name that both of them picked to reprent themselves. Richard Blum picked the name Manitoba as a stage name in the 1970's. Decades later after this had been long established along comes a guy named Dan Snaith who decides to use the stage name Manitoba for himself. Sorry, already taken. If this guys real name had been Dan Manitoba, then possibly he would have had the right to continue to use it in commerce as a performer. As it was a self-chosen name, and already taken he therefore did not.

If my real birth name was Madonna and I persued a singing career it might be a little different than if I just decided to use it as a stage name.

The fake name Manitoba as it relates to a rock musician belongs to Handsome Dick, and he was not a douchebag by any means in stopping the other guy. I don't think the other guys career was harmed in any way, while clearly all involved in this war with the neighbors are being effected in a very sad and negative way.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 4:08 PM

okay I re-read it and it is just as stupid and pointless as it was the first time I read it. Instead of telling me to stop posting, why don't you stop wasting everyone's time by re-posting the same thing for people to re-read. If you don't like what I wrote, then that's fine, please respond, but don't re-post your previous words again to illustrate the exact same redundant point a second time. At least each time I post it's with new words. Your point wasn't all that great or intelligent that we need to read it again.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 4:13 PM

Why all the hatred and animosity towards Manitoba? All he ever did was front a great Punk band, open a cool bar for ewveryone to hang out in and stop some nobody from Canada from using his stage name? Why does that make him a Huge Douche?

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 4:17 PM

Huge Douche because he took 'em to court. However famous Humongous Douchbag Manitoba may or may not have been, however good his band was, he fucking sued to stave off being superceded. A lot of bands have done it, hence the English Beat, the Charlatans UK, etc. and it's a douchebag move every time.

Posted by slim | February 28, 2007 4:32 PM

What do Madhattenites want with Live Music?
Whassamatter Madhattan, Can't Afford an iPod?
(I'm allowed to be a "dick" I used to bartend there and I've played a bunch of gigs there)

I wish NYC was still fun.

Posted by Richard Bacchus | February 28, 2007 4:33 PM

Why is Dick Manitoba/Manitoba's getting mentioned on an indie rock blog? This guy couldn't give a fuck about you people-- you're not the ones he's seeking help from.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 4:37 PM

god it figures that people on this site would take offense at Handsome Dick taking his name back from that wussy. if you think of that guy when you hear the word 'Manitoba,' you don't belong in new york.

but more importantly (MUCH MORE!), i hope we don't lose another club in the face of yuppie entitlement.

Posted by Jimmy Legs | February 28, 2007 4:50 PM

"Why all the hatred and animosity towards Manitoba?"

Well, there was that time that he called Wayne County a homo, but then Wayne called him a fat fuck and smashed his face in with a mike stand so it's all good!

HDM may be an asshat but so are the people trying to evict his bar.

Posted by LV | February 28, 2007 4:51 PM

for. the. love. of. god.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 5:09 PM

"A lot of bands have done it, hence the English Beat, the Charlatans UK, etc. and it's a douchebag move every time."

Why is it a douchebag move everytime? It's not a douchebag move at all. If you have a name that's associated with your livelihood, in this case a performer or a band, nobody else should or is allowed by law to use it also. Why is that wrong to stop someone? It happens in the Corporate world all the time, someonoe can't start selling a Cola and call it Coca cola, hence all the different names with Cola after it. therefore we also have UK and 'English" stuck on band names so as not to have two bands with the same name. Why should it be any different for a small time rock guy like HDM? That's the name he uses for professional booking and gets paid for it. the name is worth something. The MC5 with special guest vocalist Hndsome Dick Manitoba is going to sell a few more tickets than The MC5 with special guest vocalist Richard Blum. Why is it a douchebag move to protect your self interests and your livelihood?

Should someone be allowed to steal your professional stage name any more than they should be allowed to come into your apartment and steal the things that you use to make a living like your computer, etc.?

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 5:09 PM

"Why is Dick Manitoba/Manitoba's getting mentioned on an indie rock blog?"

Why not? CBGB's closing and all the shows that went on around it were heavily covered on this site (Bad Brains, etc) and the Dictators headlined two of the nights on the Closing weekend. The Dictators may not be new but they are also not mainstream by any stretch of the imagination, so they would be under the umbrella of 'indie'. Sorry kid, Indie doesn't just mean the latest group of twenty year olds making a splash in the pool.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 5:13 PM

"Looks like THE LAW is going to be siding with THE ASSHOLE NEIGHBORS, and I guess that's all that matters." Not necessarily. The legal process isn't over, and the neighbours' claim is flawed.

"Come on, the guy made a band of minimal impact" -
not true.

"and his name ( which was NOT the name of the band! ) even less, and it's a name of a fucking massive landmass that you learn in 5th grade geography" - irrelevant, in legal terms.

"No one is gonna get confused by someone who is calling themselves Jagger if it is not Mick Jagger" - to be fair, this being Mick, he would have sued.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 5:16 PM

Benny got a new tattoo
Down at the St. Mark's Zoo

He walked down to the park
Drinkin 40's, till it's dark
Talkin to a grey haired man
In a tie-dyed shirt and ragged pants
He said,
That's where the hippies used to play
Down on Avenue A

Susie got a new pair of shoes
Now she don't know what to do

So she's sitting in the Park
Smokin pot till it's dark
Talking to a toothless man
With spiky hair
And leather pants
He said,
I knew Stiv in the day
And that's where the junkies used to play
Down on Avenue A

When every memory is gone
and everything you know is wrong

Takin the edge off on a beautiful day
with a Frappacino and a creme brulee
yeah, it's all over when you see a Range Rover
and to my bodega, I say hasta luega

it's not what you do, it's what you say
and it's not who you know, it's who you pay

Down on Avenue A

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 5:38 PM

Smoking marijuana
Watching channel five
Got to get my strength up
In this struggle to survive

Everyone's an asshole
Everyone's a creep
I look out my window
And there's garbage in the streets

I live in the city
I breathe dirty air
I ride trains with b-boys
junkies, queens and squares

Everybody's hungry
I don't know what to do
I used to live on pizza
Now I live on Chinese food

I can't stand my neighbors
Screaming all the time
If I wasn't blasting Sister ray
I could lose my mind

I live in the city
I breathe dirty air
I ride trains with b-boys
junkies, queens and squares

Safely someone's smiling
The fat man waits his turn
Soon he'll count his money
While the south Bronx slowly burns
Get out for the children
Get your ass and run
Get out of this stinkin mess
To a safe suburban slum

I live in the city
I breathe dirty air
I ride trains with b-boys
junkies, queens and squares

NEW YORK NEW YORK!

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 5:40 PM

Why is he a Huge Douche?
First: Because he sued Dan Snaith for using the name Manitoba. It's not like Snaith called himself Handsome Dick Manitoba. Therefore it's the equivalent of the White Stripes suing any band with the word "stripes" in their name. Hence I call that move total douchebaggery.
Second: Because I don't feel too bad calling him that after he refers to his neighbors publicly and in writing as "douchebags" and "assholes". What goes around comes around.
And third: I have been living in the EV for 8 years and if you really take issue with the rampant gentrification then please write to city hall asking for better rent control regulations. The neighborhood is going to shit because rents are no longer affordable for the demographic that used to live here 20 years ago. Not because one crap bar had to stop putting on shows due to noise complaints.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 5:59 PM

"Why is it a douchebag move to protect your self interests and your livelihood?"

why is it a douchebag move to protect your self interests and ability to have a normal conversation inside your own bedroom that isn't drowned out by the shitty bands playing downstairs?

if you're going to run a music venue in a mixed commercial/residential building then install proper sound-proofing. it's that simple. stop fucking whining.

Posted by the "asshole" neighbors | February 28, 2007 6:06 PM

Handsome Douche Manitoba's legal argument against Dan Snaith was completely without merit to begin with - primarily because the type of music both bands create is completely different from one another. By Douche logic, Columbia University should sue British Columbia because the names are so similar. Hard to feel sorry in the slightest for the Douche - alternately, why is there an apartment above a rock club anyway?

Posted by Crosseyed Sniper | February 28, 2007 7:27 PM

for real, the only thing that needs to be said here is that if youre going to be a douche, dont cry like a bitch later down the line and expect ANYONE but your retarded fanatics to be on your side.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 8:59 PM

another example of the "quality of life" bullshit that people can get away with in this city these days. It's getting out of hand, i miss old NYC. Despite all of the sketchy stuff, at least some things were still sacred.

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 9:35 PM

Am I reading this correct? People are defending the idiot who named his band Manitoba? Does that guy even have any fans? Hating on Handsome Dick Manitoba? Not only is he awesome, but is also a super nice guy. He released albums under the Manitoba Wild Kingdom, of course Manitoba is too close. Tarantuala AD couldn't even call themselves that since it was too close to Taranuala.

Dictators Forever Forever Dictators

P.S. Andy Shernoff is a killer bassist

Posted by Anonymous | February 28, 2007 10:22 PM

"He released albums under the Manitoba Wild Kingdom, of course Manitoba is too close. Tarantuala AD couldn't even call themselves that since it was too close to Taranuala."

Tarantula AD's official line was that the name change to Priestbird was on their own accord and reflected the "evolution" in their music. At any rate, I'm pretty sure the case never got settled, and the name change allowed them to avoid a legal battle at all.

If you look at similar incidences of the same name thing, you'll notice that "Manitoba Wild Kingdom" and "Manitoba" are most definitely different enough to stand up in court. The creators of "Rock Star: Supernova" got sued by the band Supernova and the reality show creation - which was also originally dubbed simply "Supernova" - was able to abide by a preliminary injunction by changing their name to "Rock Star Supernova."

Similarly, Bush didn't own the rights to their name in Canada until they bought out the owner with a charity donation, and were able to avoid copyright infringement by changing their name to "Bush X" and the band Death from Above only needed to add "1979" to avoid infringing on the intellectual property of the record label of the same name in both Canada and the United States.

Posted by Quinn | February 28, 2007 11:36 PM

"Indie doesn't just mean the latest group of twenty year olds making a splash in the pool"

lol 'indie' doesn't have any meaning at all, Cleveland Heights

Posted by Anonymous | March 1, 2007 12:33 AM


"why is there an apartment above a rock club anyway?"

If you are at all familiar with the real estate and/or geoography of New York City, especially Manhattan and specifically the EastVillage you would know that pretty much ALL buildings that contain commercial/business space on the ground floor have apartments on the upper floors. This includes bars and live music venues of various sizes. Obviously there were either other tenants originally living there who either weren't effected, supported the club,or just didn't care about the music downstairs (which would show what A-holes the new tenanats are), or the apartments were vacant (which would be very hard to believe in Manhattan).

In any case, In that particular neighborhood live music/loud bars have co-existed for decades alongside residential housing. For someone to move into that neighborhood, and specifcally above a live music bar and expect the same level of quiet as wherever they came from (most likely out of towners) is ridiculous. It's like moving into an apt. on Bourbon Street in New Orleans above a Jazz Club and then making the club stop presenting music. Just don't move there if you don't like the noise.

Posted by Anonymous | March 1, 2007 12:22 PM

"...Manitoba's legal argument against Dan Snaith was completely without merit to begin with - primarily because the type of music both bands create is completely different from one another. By Douche logic, Columbia University should sue British Columbia because the names are so similar."

That's a completely wrong analogy. It doesn't matter that the STYLE or TYPE of music is diiferent, what mattered was that they were both musicians, and therefore would both have their names in potentially the same stores, publications and venues. They were both in the same business and industry therefore to the uneducated consumer who didn't know either there could have been confusion. If you didn't know who either performer was( which would probably be most people) then it really didn't matter that they were different types of music, a person would pick up two CD's and if they both said Manitoba on them, they might think it was the same person.

Cloumbia University should sue British Columbia by the same logic? Uh, that really doesn't make any sense at all. That's not the same logic. Columbia University is a school, British Columbia is a location, they are not in the same buisness. However, if British Columbia suddenly started taking ads out for a school they suddenly built and called it Columbia University, then the real Columbia University might have grounds to stop them. THAT would be the same logic.

Stop posting illogical, silly, douche-heavy, not-very-well thought-out statements.

Posted by Anonymous | March 1, 2007 12:35 PM

Manitoba is a pussy who got his ass kicked by a transvestite. Long live Caribou!

Posted by joe | March 1, 2007 1:58 PM

"Cloumbia University should sue British Columbia by the same logic? Uh, that really doesn't make any sense at all. That's not the same logic. Columbia University is a school, British Columbia is a location, they are not in the same buisness. However, if British Columbia suddenly started taking ads out for a school they suddenly built and called it Columbia University, then the real Columbia University might have grounds to stop them. THAT would be the same logic. "

you are an idiot, because, well, there is a columbia college. thats even closer than handsome dick manitoba and manitoba! considering that HDM doesnt actually perform or release records as "manitoba" only, you look like a moron.

Posted by Anonymous | March 1, 2007 2:38 PM

Look, I'm a huge douche. All this pussy indie shit makes me sick, and I'll be damned if I'll let some pussy indie fuck call himself Manitoba, even if he's a Canadian and has some identity with it, because well, I'm fucking Handsome Dick! I matter to t his town. Don't I? Come to my bar! It's got stickers and everything. I played the last few nights at CBGB's, who really really mattered to this town up 'til the very end! That's right. CBGB's didn't have anything to do with the downfall of this village, not with their "pay-to-play" any asshole can play here policies since god-knows-when. No-sir, they were curators of fine music up until the very end.

So I'm a huge douche about it. I hate these new kids, with their iPods and their tattoos. Goddammit, I made tattoos cool! ME! Handsome DICK! I had to sue the motherfucker! I write all these songs about all the bullshit going on here, with the lawyers and laws and the bullshit system, and then what do I do? I sue the motherfucker. I appeal to that system itself. I could have dealt with him man-to-man, like a real new-yorker, but I had to douche out, and call in the legals. I'm nothing buy a businessman after all!

so if being a good businessman is what makes me the douche then yep. I'm a douche allright. I'm a real fucking douche.

Now get outta the way, I got some good fucking lawyers. I think this site's been getting some of my fans here, I want a piece of the action. You making money, Vegan? Gimme some.

Posted by HDM | March 1, 2007 3:13 PM

There is nothing punk rock about filing a lawsuit, Dick.

Posted by Anonymous | March 1, 2007 3:25 PM

HEY! HDM! Stop stealing my identity or I'll call my lawyer!

Posted by Handsome Dick Manitoba | March 1, 2007 3:29 PM

Those lyrics were not written by Manitoba but by the bass player Adny Shernoff

Posted by Anonymous | March 1, 2007 9:51 PM

"Cloumbia University should sue British Columbia by the same logic? Uh, that really doesn't make any sense at all. That's not the same logic. Columbia University is a school, British Columbia is a location, they are not in the same buisness. However, if British Columbia suddenly started taking ads out for a school they suddenly built and called it Columbia University, then the real Columbia University might have grounds to stop them. THAT would be the same logic."

dear anonymous, you're a complete ignoramus:
columbia university in new york, ny, usa - (originally king's college) reopened under its current name in 1784.
university of british columbia in vancouver, british columbia, canada - founded in 1890 (if you can count, which is doubtful, that's more than 100 years later)
so they did start a school and have been advertising under that name ever since. no one had to sue anyone because any college bound person knows the difference between the two instututions. and, if they don't, they probably have no place in either university. much like most indie music fans would know the difference between handsome douche manitoba's work and that of manitoba/caribou.
not to mention that HDM was a stage name and NOT the name of his band. if this case had actually gone to court (which it didn't) chances are that HDMs arguments would not have held up.
the neighbors may be whiny assholes but then again so is handsome douche manitoba. doesn't that post mention that the neighbors simply filed a noise complaint and HE is the one (once again) suing?

Posted by Anonymous | March 1, 2007 10:21 PM

Seriously.. you're all a bunch of stupid losers. Dick Manitoba owns your lame asses and his bar fucking ruled. Every heavy band in NYC has played there or hung out ther and everyone who's anyone in underground music knows it. The Dictators will forever and ever be a part of NYC punk rock and the Lower East Side, not you. You're nothing. Go back to your lattes, your ipods and your Bloc Party mp3's and shut the fuck up, please.

Posted by D.F.F.D | March 2, 2007 12:03 AM

"Seriously.. Handsome Dick leads a bunch of stupid losers. Dick Manitoba owns ass and his bar fucking sucked. Every fruity band in NYC has played there or hung out their penises and everyone who's anyone in underground music knows it. The Dictators will forever and ever be a part of worthless NYC punk rock and the Lower East Side cesspool, which includes me. I'm nothing. I wish I had your lattes, your ipods and your Bloc Party mp3's. Shut me the fuck up, please."

Fixed.

Posted by Handsome Douche | March 2, 2007 6:47 AM

Oh, goody, an anonymous flame war!

"the neighbors may be whiny assholes but then again so is handsome douche manitoba. doesn't that post mention that the neighbors simply filed a noise complaint and HE is the one (once again) suing?"

Isn't the bar's inability to function as a live venue the direct result of the noise complaint? What is he supposed to do, complain back? Sulk? Tell his neighbours they're meanies?

Posted by Anonymous | March 2, 2007 7:49 AM

Dan Snaith > Handsome Dick > whiny neighbours

Posted by Anonymous | March 2, 2007 10:03 AM

It's too late now for anything to be done about the Manitoba/Caribou thing. Dan Snaith is already one album, one dvd, three singles and two ep's into his new name. A very prolific musician, who I am glad the whole Handsome Dick thing didn't deter from creating more music.

Yes, I think Handsome Dick is a douche for it. But clearly whether you are a fan of the guy from NY or the guy Canada will determine where you fall there. So I am biased, I really like the Canadian's music and I think the Dictators were mediocre, so fuck my opinion.

But seriously, who are these assholes complaining about live music? You live upstairs from a bar! Didn't you notice the big sign advertising a happy hour? If it bothers you, move out, let some other sucker who thinks it's worth the fortune on rent you are spending get in there.

Posted by Aaronfromqueens | March 2, 2007 10:15 AM

Hey anonymous, Columbia university and university of british columbia are not the same name. No confusion there. Especially since the later has the name of the actual location in the title. Your argument is flawed.

"HDM was a stage name and NOT the name of his band", uh, and Manitoba was a stage neame and not the name of Dan Snaith's band either, so that argument doesn't stand up either.

sorry.

Posted by Anonymous | March 2, 2007 10:40 AM

It used to be drugs and 40s and queens
we got our kicks in the teeth
Ink on our skin meant we didn't fit in
And we fucked without a sheath

all of you condom loving faggots
and i don't mean the kind that's queer
all of you latte loving faggots
"stella's" a woman, not a beer

Yea, man I used to rock CBGB
and I got beat with a mike by some jerk
You guys could rock CBGBs
if you brought enough friends from work

all of you iPod loving faggots
taking over my town
all of you iPod loving faggots
want to pretend I was never around.


Posted by Check theze steez | March 2, 2007 12:22 PM

Dan Snaith could name himself "Free Pussy" and nobody would buy his crappy music.

Argument solved.

Posted by Anonymous | March 2, 2007 3:12 PM

I never heard of Dan Snaith or any of his music. The Dictators rule! HDM KING OF MEN!

Posted by Anonymous | March 2, 2007 3:28 PM

And I never heard of Handsome Dick and HIS crappy music before he fucking sued Dan Snaith so fuck you and your argument.

Posted by Anonymous | March 2, 2007 4:05 PM

"On January 24th, 2004, just before his fiftieth birthday, the man once known as Richard Blum was found dead in his East Village bar, called Manitoba's, from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. His body was cremated, his ashes scattered."

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handsome_Dick_Manitoba)

why you guys gotta pick on a dead guy.

Posted by beating a dead horse | March 2, 2007 5:08 PM

I call bullshit.

Don't believe everything you read in Wikipedia. It also says that he started singing in the reunited MC5 in 2005 (a year after his 'death') and has been doing so ever since.

Plus, you can check the cache on that article, the line quoted above was added two days ago. He's been dead for three years and someone just noticed?

Posted by Anonymous | March 3, 2007 12:30 AM

12:22 are those HD Manitoba lyrics? What a rebel to repurpose "faggot" that way! Wow, he is so pUnK ROcK!

I'm as sad as anyone to see the ruin of the East Village but CB's is long gone as is Continental. It's hard to muster the effort to give a shit about Manitoba's, because HDM really does seem like a lifelong douche.

Posted by LV | March 3, 2007 12:47 AM

Handsome Douche..just another whiney yuppie who thinks he's clever. Come over and announce yourself at the bar if you think you're so clever and see what happens.

Here's the revised edit

"Seriously.. Handsome Douche leads a bunch of stupid hipsters. Dick Manitoba owns his ass and laughs in his face. Handsome Douche has never hung out at a cool bar in his life nor has a clue about anything he's saying and everyone who's anyone in underground music knows it. *The Dictators will forever and ever be a part of NYC punk rock and the Lower East Side* *The Dictators will forever and ever be a part of NYC punk rock and the Lower East Side* Now go get your latte, your ipod and your Bloc Party mp3's and shut your L train riding, posing yuppie face up, please."

Fixed.

Posted by hipsters dont have a clue | March 6, 2007 1:45 PM

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