Posted in music on May 16, 2007

Despite the July 21st date being set in stone for some time, it seemed a lot of people had their doubts that the annual, free Village Voice Siren Music Festival in Coney Island would even happen this year. Perhaps with the destruction of Astroland and what not, 2007 will indeed be the last year. Enjoy it while you can. The Village Voice just announced the following intiial list of bands:
New York DollsSomething tells me this isn't going to be a friendly comment thread. Thoughts?
We Are Scientists
Matt And Kim
The Black Lips
Dr. Dog
Lavender Diamond
The Detroit Cobras
Elvis Perkins
The Twilight Sad
The Noisettes
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why ny dolls? but otherwise, i think that's a pretty decent lineup. seems better than some of the crap the past few years. bummer i missed twilight sad last month, i wonder if they'll sound any good in the open air... but that part makes me happy.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 7:40 AM
WTF..they went from a fucking awesome line up last yr. to this shit..i mena its the last yr. did they even try..i mean...i like all the artists i just expected better...
Posted by anon | May 16, 2007 7:45 AM
twilight sad, elvis perkins, mtt and kim are what im looking forward to
hope they announce more good artists
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 7:54 AM
Matt and Kim.... YEAH! YEAH!
Posted by Christopher | May 16, 2007 8:02 AM
Dr. Dog is good. The rest sucks ass.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 8:06 AM
Just like Bonaroo moving away from jam bands, it's nice to see Siren moving away from pure indie rock. That first Siren could never be beaten though. Best lineup either. Last year was disappointing, and this partial lineup is already much better.
What I don't like is once again bands with only one or two albums out instead of more established bands. I can't wait for the NY Dolls! They are headliners, not that Scissor Sisters crap.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 8:19 AM
Other than Matt and Kim, shitty lineup.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 8:23 AM
How in the world are you people complaining...
Ok the NY Dolls have become a bit of a novelty act, but the other bands are SOLID. If you remember the past, this fest has never been something to write home about, but something to go to, FOR FREE, and have fun.
Look at two years ago...Spoon, Morningwood, VHS or Beta, Q and Not U...Besides Spoon, these were all mediocre bands that still aided to the overall enjoyable experience I had.
With that said....
Dr. Dog absolutely kills it live!! One of my favorite bands out there...OH YEAH, the same thing goes for the Black Lips. Great lineup, Great day, and free.
Posted by Greg | May 16, 2007 8:39 AM
Seeing Siren die in general is sad. I hope once that sinks in, it'll bring out some stronger acts.
Posted by Lester | May 16, 2007 8:46 AM
We Are Scientists happen to be perfect for this... they're engaging, fun and tight performers.
Funny as all hell too.
*shrug* Matt and kim scare me
Posted by jason | May 16, 2007 8:47 AM
I was wondering where We are scientists have been!! i'm so excited
Posted by Amanda | May 16, 2007 8:57 AM
I was wondering where We are scientists have been!! i'm so excited
Posted by Amanda | May 16, 2007 8:57 AM
I was wondering where We are scientists have been!! i'm so excited
Posted by Amanda | May 16, 2007 8:57 AM
id leave before the ny dolls but not too bad!
Posted by lauren | May 16, 2007 8:59 AM
i actually dig this lineup lots...twilight sad's album is one of my favorites this year...though i heard the singer is a bit emotional.
black lips are pretty awesome live...
Posted by sam | May 16, 2007 9:01 AM
Dr. Dog live on a summer day sounds great. they're such a fun live band, as anyone who saw them at bowery last month could attest.
Posted by Miguel | May 16, 2007 9:08 AM
Dr. Dog rules!!!!!! I'll go just for them.
Posted by matt | May 16, 2007 9:08 AM
where the hell is the dr. dog side project, minions?
other than that this looks pretty good (could use a better headliner, perhaps), so long as they hold up on their promise to burn ultragrrl at the stake.
Posted by john kruk | May 16, 2007 9:09 AM
First off, The Black Lips are hands down one of the best live bands going right now. That being said, I'm not sure how much the Siren Fest is to blame for its weakening lineups. When it first started there weren't all these huge indie-oriented summer festivals happening stateside that there are now. The Pitchfork fest has obviously stolen its thunder and most indie bands will gladly take an invite there and schedule that into their summer tour over Siren. At the very least Siren is still free. The real tragedy of course is not the weakening Siren fest but the destruction of Coney Island. Once again New York opts for destroying whatever little bit of unique character it still has.
Posted by will | May 16, 2007 9:10 AM
worst. siren. ever.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 9:16 AM
Hipsters are a curious bunch. It's funny how people rather see garage-rock revivalists like the Detroit Cobras and The Black Lips and not garage-rock pioneers like the New York Dolls. Those bands are trying to be the New York Dolls! The NYD blew away the Strokes at the Randalls Island fest. Wait, you only listen to what Pitchfork tells you to?
Great lineup, another fun year
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 9:16 AM
the new luxury condos they're building over there look awesome.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 9:16 AM
There's nowhere else in the city to hold this festival? I like the lineup so far, how can you complain with free?
Posted by dave | May 16, 2007 9:21 AM
Hey Anon 9:16 a.m.,
Well let's see. Johnny Thunders is dead. Jerry Nolan is dead. Arthur Kane is dead. Sure, seeing the NY Dolls today is JUST like seeing them when they still mattered. Who cares if bands wear their influences on their sleeves? Who cares that the Rolling Stones aped every blues musician they could think of to arrive at their sound? Anyway, I'd rather watch new bands fully intact and vital than go see the shell of a once great band just to say "I saw them."
Posted by will | May 16, 2007 9:29 AM
why does everyone always rip on me? i never did anything to you!?
Posted by hipster | May 16, 2007 9:45 AM
Matt & Kim suck.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 9:51 AM
Twilight Sad and Lavender Diamond are looking worth the train fair. I'm excited to see a second headliner that will make the whole thing as exciting as it's ever been. The final lineup last year had about 4 bands I was genuinely excited about. What more do you need people? IT'S FREE!!!
Also it's the one day a year I get genuine Nathan's hot dogs. Mostly I'm just glad it's happening.
Posted by Tim Duffy | May 16, 2007 9:52 AM
Fun to see WAS again. I dig it.
Posted by Eduardo | May 16, 2007 10:00 AM
come to the post Siren meltdown with Cadence Weapon + Muggabears at Galapagos 7/21!
www.myspace.com/thecreaturenyc
Posted by Jagga | May 16, 2007 10:05 AM
True Dat.
Posted by Beeeeve | May 16, 2007 10:07 AM
The Dolls fucking rock. Even approaching 60, David Johansen puts more energy into his live show then most kids 1/3 his age. PLus his connection to coney runs deeper than anyone else on the bill--he's born and raised in Staten Island-- right across the Narrows from coney-- and was King Neptune at the mermaid parade a few years back (among other things).
I don't see a more fitting headliner for what will probably be the last siren fest in the Coney Island we know and love. True, this is coming from a girl more proud of her New York heritage than indie cred. So bite me.
Posted by BAM! | May 16, 2007 10:20 AM
Dr. Dog blows. Saw them open for CYHSY once down in Atlanta. Made the 5 hippies there happy I guess.
Posted by CN | May 16, 2007 10:25 AM
Sami Yaffa and Steve Conte are now part of the New York Dolls, and they are much better musicians than Thunders and Kane. Tons of bands have had lineup changes and sometimes went on to become even bigger. Genesis anyone?
I was also at the Randalls Island Festival and all the old bands: New York Dolls, Dictators and the Stooges blew away every younger band. No competition.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 10:28 AM
New York Dolls a novelty act? I thinknot. They are one of the best most solid bands around at the moment.
So it's only Syl and David, but they are even better live now than they were back in the day. They can get through a set with ferocious intesity, unlike the 70's when they were all on drugs during their sets. An argument can definately be made for the absence of Johnny Thunders, but that's about it.
Sure it's sad that Arthur and Jerry are no longer with us, but that doesn't change the fact that this is still indeed the New York Dolls without them. It's Dolls songs, Dolls attitude, two key members, and a real energentic performance with the new guys fitting right in with their style of playing and their stage look.
You'd rather see s new band fully intact? That's a ridiculous statement. What's fully intact mean if it's a new band? Everything that's new is "fully intact", but it's meaningless because there is no history there or no time has past for that to mean anything.
I'd rather see one fourth of a mighty great historical and kiss ass band like the Dolls than a "fully intact" new band made of of members who nobody knows who they are anyway.
If you are only interested in seeing bands that are fully intact. I'm afraid to say that you won't be seeing many of the new acts you admire for that much longer. Most bands change members over the years and don't stay fully intact, at least not bands good enough for a long, recpected career.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 10:36 AM
Dr. Dog = Best live band so far I've seen this year. The Bowery gig was top shelf.
Posted by qweebaroo | May 16, 2007 10:38 AM
First year I'm going to bother staying for the headliner in a long time.
Hate to say this, but: Other than the Dolls (who fucking rock), this sort of looks a lot like a couple of McCarren Park Pool line-ups slapped together. Whether that's a testament to the JellyNYC people, or a slam on the Voice, I don't know.
But as always, it's stupid to complain about the lackluster line-up at a free show.
Posted by J | May 16, 2007 10:54 AM
...that's assuming the Dolls are a headliner. They still have another five bands to announce, right?
Posted by J | May 16, 2007 11:02 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolls headline the second stage. Great to see more lovers than haters for the Dolls on BV. They have been putting on great shows these past few years. They even played a Mother Fucker party a year or two ago.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 11:13 AM
Hmmm, OK I think we are just going to have to disagree on this one. Seeing 1/4 or 1/2 of a great band is just not interesting to me. Whether it's the New York Dolls or whatever the hell the MC5 reformed as to tour recently, I'd rather just admit that I didn't see them when it actually mattered and leave it at that.
Posted by will | May 16, 2007 11:38 AM
Do you go see a band because of who is in the lineup or because of the music they create?
In case you missed it from the posts above, the current incarnation of the Dolls rock. Period. Why should you not see a band that plays great music just because so-n-so is not in the lineup? You must be a scenester and not a music fan. Stay home and listen to Tapes'n'tapes or whoever Pitchfork tells you to listen to since music is secondary to you. I should not go to see Morrissey because he is not playing with the Smiths. How dare he play without them.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 12:03 PM
>>Matt & Kim suck.
agreed.. "Yeah Yeah".. no.
Posted by j | May 16, 2007 12:05 PM
It would be crazy if any band was able to headline over the Dolls. You'd be forced to start thinking in two directions for that to happen.
a) The band would have to be a more reveared elder statesman-y band (ie: Sonic Youth) or one getting back together just for this show (ie: Pavement??)
or...
b) A pretty big indie act, Interpol (maybe...) or Arcade Fire... I can't really think of many of these. And I certainly doubt any would want to play a show like Siren.
Anything else would be not only illadvised but disrespectful.
Posted by Tim Duffy | May 16, 2007 12:21 PM
bonnaroo moving away from jambands?
WHAT/HUH?
stop smoking dude.. roo has the best of both worlds and i happen to like both jambands and indie rock... too bad you have to be closed minded..
Posted by MC | May 16, 2007 12:28 PM
two words: SAUSAGE PARTY
Posted by Jack | May 16, 2007 12:34 PM
funny how you hipsters don't complain about traveling to coney island and similar "out of the way" locations, but you moan and groan about UPT?
it's got to be xenophobia.
at the end of the day, brooklyn ain't manhattan.
like the reason why ny is situated between boston and dc, there's profound reason why it's the same with regard to queens and manhattan, and its terra relationship to manhattan: that is, looking at queens or brooklyn from the east river side of the fence.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 12:43 PM
funny how you hipsters don't complain about traveling to coney island and similar "out of the way" locations, but you moan and groan about UPT?
it's got to be xenophobia.
at the end of the day, brooklyn ain't manhattan.
like the reason why ny is situated between boston and dc, there's profound reason why it's the same with regard to queens and brooklyn, and its terra relationship to manhattan: that is, looking at queens or brooklyn from the east river side of the fence.
or rather, vice-versa
Posted by east coast promo-man | May 16, 2007 12:43 PM
Boooooooring!
Posted by A*Roc | May 16, 2007 12:57 PM
Screw the washed-up New York Dolls and Coney Island too. I'm going to snap up the first Coney Island luxury condo and pay Matt & Kim to play for me.
Posted by Real estate is cooler than LCD Soundsystem | May 16, 2007 1:05 PM
"Boooooooring!
Posted by A*Roc | May 16, 2007 12:57 PM"
hey, i'll see you at joey's birthday bash - don't forget to shave your head! ;-)
Posted by east coast promo-man | May 16, 2007 1:07 PM
BLACK LIPS! BLACK LIPS! BLACK LIPS! BLACK LIPS! BLACK LIPS!
Posted by cheeba | May 16, 2007 1:07 PM
"Boooooooring!
Posted by A*Roc | May 16, 2007 12:57 PM"
hey, i'll see you at joey's birthday bash - don't forget to shave your head! ;-)
Posted by east coast promo-man | May 16, 2007 1:09 PM
looks like I picked the right dates to go to Yosemite and miss my first Siren (ever).
Posted by Steve-O | May 16, 2007 1:21 PM
"funny how you hipsters don't complain about traveling to coney island and similar "out of the way" locations, but you moan and groan about UPT?"
UPT doesn't have cotton candy
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 1:24 PM
what with all the negativity. its just music man. if you don't like it, don't go.
"leave the negative attitutude at the door."
-- Notorious B.I.G.
Posted by tweaker | May 16, 2007 1:42 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that no matter who plays there, Siren will always suck as long as the sound for every band consists of string, a tin can, a rolled up piece of paper made to look like a megaphone and Fisher-Price My First PA System? I love TVOTR and even they couldn't save it a few years back. Die a quick death Siren Festival. You will not be missed.
Posted by J | May 16, 2007 1:57 PM
I've gone to Siren 2003, 2004, and 2006 and loved all three. 2005's lineup sucked, so I didn't bother making the 3 hour drive to it. So far, this is a very 2005 lineup, which is especially bad if this is the last year Siren will be happening.
But I remember last year they didn't announce one of the headliners (Scissor Sisters) plus other great bands (Man Man) until close to the date of the show, so there's still hope.
How is it that the next-closest festival is in freakin' Chicago?! What is wrong with the northeast US?
Posted by Paul | May 16, 2007 2:03 PM
The lineup isn't as good as last year. But, for fuck's sake, Scissor Sisters headlined last year, and you had Art Brut and The Cribs, it was a decent line-up. As much as THE NY DOLLS are still kickin' and Matt & Kim make people sing along to "Yeah, Yeah"...I don't see a whole lot excitement for this year's Siren, other than The Black Lips.
Posted by madmang | May 16, 2007 2:07 PM
Fuck...why is everyone arguing...is it that time of the month?
Posted by chalice | May 16, 2007 2:09 PM
i don't like that line up at all! i like lavender diamond and everything but performance wise i don't think it'd be that entertaining + the sound at siren festival always sucks. i agree with most comments in that i'm looking forward to matt & kim. they're becoming a little overrated but i always thought they had really fun music.
Posted by cristina | May 16, 2007 2:11 PM
this lineup is fine, free music is free music people. i mean, it doesn't have some of my fav acts as in past years, but who can complain about free music?
on the other hand...shit...would it KILL the voice to feature a hip hop act in coney island just once?? what..ghostface can't rock a beach?
Posted by Dave S. | May 16, 2007 2:13 PM
"when it actually mattered"?
A band "matters" when they play and you want to see them play and you go and you see them. That's when they matter.
There is nothing more uncool than people like you who think that the only time anything is worth anything is in their original incarnation.
True, the DKTMC5 is not the same as the MC5 were in 1968. But it is not 1968 anymore. So does that mean that you should automatically dismiss them now? Not at all. They are a different animal now but they are still great. In regards to the NY Dolls, they really aren't that much different of an animal now than from back in the day, except that they are actually BETTER as a live band. Go figure. And go see them.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 2:37 PM
"Seeing 1/4 or 1/2 of a great band is just not interesting to me. ... I'd rather just admit that I didn't see them when it actually mattered and leave it at that."
well then you are really doing yourself a great disservice. While most people with much more open minds are willing to give bands, artists and performers a shot when they are passed the era where they apparently "mattered", you are automatically shutting yourself off from experiencing some very cool, very historic, and very kick ass stuff, all becuase you have decided for yourself that before going anywhere near something, that you need to "leave it at that".
that's a real pity for you. While everyone else is being rewarded for their ability to move on and enjoy some great talented artists and bands past when "they mattered", you have limited yourself to only new "intact' full member acts, who in most cases haven't even proven their worth yet.
And one day you'll be rewarded for this yourself when you can tell your grandkids about all the new 'cool' full-member bands that you saw way back in 2007 that nobody will have ever heard of in the future. When they ask you if you saw that incredible set by the one and only New York Dolls, you can tell them that you didn't go because Arthur Kane and Jerry Nolan weren't in the band anymore. And they will laugh at you and call you an idiot.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 2:46 PM
Every cool band worth anything over the years that was good enough to have staying power is not in the original line up from when they began. The only large band that is in it's complete original line-up is Aerosmith, and they suck.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 2:49 PM
NEW YORK DOLLS ROCK!!!!!!!
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 2:50 PM
The Dolls will blow away each and every other act on this bill.
Posted by Billy | May 16, 2007 2:51 PM
what is the point of watching a 57 year old dude try to rock it? if the REAL new york dolls traveled in time to this year's siren they would spit in David Johansen's face.
black lips = rad, matt + kim = rad, lavender diamond = rad.
if you're wondering why siren gets worse every year, maybe you should ask yourself if you're just losing touch.
Posted by Jon | May 16, 2007 3:15 PM
Lavender Diamond is going to blow all you doubting Thomases and Thomasinas away. Serious like a heart attack. Or mildly invasive angioplasty at least.
Posted by Crosseyed Sniper | May 16, 2007 3:33 PM
When was the last time this thing had a decent lineup? 2004?
Posted by Bort | May 16, 2007 3:36 PM
"Lavender Diamond is going to blow all you doubting Thomases and Thomasinas away. Serious like a heart attack. Or mildly invasive angioplasty at least."
I am open-minded and willing to give everyone a chance. I have been going to myspace to find out about bands that I never heard about before. Is this Lavender Diamond's myspace or is it a squatter? http://myspace.com/lavenderdiamond
If that is them, then their music is nothing special. It might be even harder for them to play those tunes at a big outdoor festival.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 4:15 PM
If I raise my kids right they will say, "Dad, good call. No Arthur Kane and no Jerry Nolan would equal a real bummer of a lineup."
So what you're saying is that we should wait for bands to "prove their worth" before we support them? So if I was around when the NY Dolls first started it would have been best not to check them out since they had not proven themselves, but much better to have waited and seen them in 2007? Living legends, man! None of that undergoound kid's stuff! Who waants to see bands with original members playing vital music they wrote this year? Sure, fuck that shit. Give me the New Cars, give me the new Doors, give me the new MC5, give me all the old fucks who are still playing rock the way it should be played, man!
Posted by will | May 16, 2007 4:22 PM
What's wrong with watching a 57 year old dude try to rock? If he's good and even better than a 27 year old, then there's a big point. Is there an automatic age limit to being a good performer? Uh, let's see ANY one of the current crop of twenty somethings in bands try and do what Iggy Pop does night after night on stage. Or Mick Jagger, or James Brown (a few years ago).
The old Dolls would spit in JoHansen's face? Asides from the fact that most people wouldn't spit in their own faces after time traveling to see themseleves, I beg to differ on your musical point. The old Dolls were TERRIBLE live. They were a ramshackle outfit completely boozed and drugged up for most of the shows they played, which weren't many shows. They literally fell apart because they couldn't hold themselves together. The 'new Dolls' have now been performing well for over five years constantly getting tighter and tighter. The other players have come from other good bands and the resulting group is a powerforce unlike any of the newer bands on the bill.
Anybody who immediatley discounts a genuine legend in their fifties is obviously a very biased and VERY clueless individual.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 4:28 PM
"So what you're saying is that we should wait for bands to "prove their worth" before we support them? "
No that's not what I am saying. I am saying that you can do both, you can support the new bands AND the old bands. But you seem to have a problem with that.
The rest of your post continues to show that you believe that a person needs to make a choice. Why does someone have to support "all the old fucks who are still playing rock the way it should be played, man!" and not support "bands with original members playing vital music they wrote this year?" or visa versa.
Why do you need everyone to be on one end of the fence or the other? A truly openminded music lover likes anything that's good. It doesn't matter if it's a living legend or a new performer.
Stop trying to catagorize everything into two ridiculously stereotypical camps: new 'vital' youthful 'full member groups, and old past their prime over the hill legends without their original lineups. It's not as simple as that, and anyone with a brain and good taste can see that.
You lump all these reconsituted bands in together, which isn't fair. Some of the groups you mentioned are horrible in their 'new' versions, and some are simpley terrific. Same goes for new young 'all original member' groups. Some are great and some suck.
See what I'm saying?
Don't be so quick to pigeonhole.
I really don't think you can compare the 'New' New York Dolls to the New Doors. there is a reason that the New York Dolls are on the same bill with newer younger bands at the Siren festival, and the New Doors, the New cars, etc. are not.
Think about why.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 4:41 PM
Will:
if you raise your kids with the same disregard and disrespect for the elder statesmen that you imply in your post, your kids won't be listening to you anyway, because they will think you are too old to have anything 'vital' to say.
What goes around comes around.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 4:45 PM
NEEEEW YAWK DOLLS!
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 4:47 PM
we love Sylvain.
Davey Jo also.
Posted by Bklyngals | May 16, 2007 4:48 PM
"what with all the negativity. its just music man. if you don't like it, don't go.
"leave the negative attitutude at the door."
-- Notorious B.I.G.
Posted by tweaker | May 16, 2007 1:42 PM"
hey, hipster - SURELY, like a college life-experience seminar, you and the late N B.I.G. can relate mano y mano, one to one, right?
i didn't think so.
Posted by east coast promo-man | May 16, 2007 5:04 PM
Anon 4:45 p.m.,
Listen man, I'm not delusional. I'm a reasonable person. I understand that kids don't think their parents are cool. It's the history of the human race. It's the Generation Gap. I fucking hate parents who think otherwise. The one who think they will finally be the ones to crack the code and be the "cool parents." Spare me. I would expect my kids to believe they know all the answers. I'm 31 years old and I already feel like the old person at shows. The point is that I don't have interest in seeing bands just because I revere their history. I love Sonic Youth but Sonic Youth still makes inetersting music, even into their 50s. The NY Dolls do not. I have no interest in going to see bands simply to revisit a past that wasn't mine. I like SY shows because they'll play Teenage Riot, but also play a great tune off their new album. Greatest Hits' tours just hold no sway for me. Sorry.
Posted by will | May 16, 2007 5:20 PM
"Sonic Youth still makes inetersting music, even into their 50s. The NY Dolls do not."
Um, the New York Dolls have a FANTASTIC new album, which live comprises of about a third of their show, which makes sense since they only have two other albums.
Who said anything about revisiting a past that wan't yours? The Dolls freaking Rock! If they were exactly the same but were a brand new band, I would like them all the same, but the fact that the Dolls also happen to come with an incredible unmatched history makes it even sweeter.
"It's the generation Gap"? What is this 1967? Your using terminology from the freaking Summer of Love my friend.
You're thirty one and already feel like the old person at shows because you think like an old person.
I know much older people than you who think much more openly and feel VERY young at shows.
If you feel old at a show at 31, then that's your problem. And it's very sad.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 5:44 PM
"Greatest Hits' tours just hold no sway for me."
well than you most certainly can't be talking about the New York Dolls, because they never had any hits.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 5:46 PM
Gimmee the NY Dolls over Sonic Youth any day.
And I like Sonic Youth.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 5:46 PM
Last time I saw the New York Dolls, they played many songs of their NEW album. Even Pitchfork reviewed it:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/38013-one-day-it-will-please-us-to-remember-even-this
They are more far deserving of headliner status than Stars. Plus they put on a great show.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 5:48 PM
I don't think the Dolls make interesting music anymore. So I don't care that they play music off their new album. It's an important caveat here. I just don't dig it. I'd take SY over the Dolls any day. That's just me. I'd take Times New Viking over the Dolls today. I'd take Animal Collective over the Dolls today. That's just the way it is. I know this gets followed by calling me a pathetic hipster (a word that was invented two years ago to describe kids in Williamsburg!), that I don't understand REAL ROCK, etc. etc. etc. but I'm over this discussion. Have fun with it.
Posted by will | May 16, 2007 6:13 PM
"I just don't dig it."
And the truth comes out. *You* just don't like them. Many of the responses above are by the same people, but there are about 4-5 posters that are pro-NYD and you are not. Don't say they do not merit a spot, just say you don't like them. Many people are praising their recent live show. End of story.
"I know this gets followed by calling me a pathetic hipster"
Yes it will. You just want the latest buzz bands. Let me guess: you have a fixed-gear bike and have a beard. The conformist non-conformist.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 6:40 PM
this is the best lineup they've had in a few years.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 7:21 PM
wow. ive been having such a shitty day and now, after reading this news, im afraid for how much worse this day can get.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 7:41 PM
nyd is balls.....im not gonna stay for their show
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 7:45 PM
ANON WROTE:
"What's wrong with watching a 57 year old dude try to rock? If he's good and even better than a 27 year old, then there's a big point. Is there an automatic age limit to being a good performer? Uh, let's see ANY one of the current crop of twenty somethings in bands try and do what Iggy Pop does night after night on stage. Or Mick Jagger, or James Brown (a few years ago).
The old Dolls would spit in JoHansen's face? Asides from the fact that most people wouldn't spit in their own faces after time traveling to see themseleves, I beg to differ on your musical point. The old Dolls were TERRIBLE live. They were a ramshackle outfit completely boozed and drugged up for most of the shows they played, which weren't many shows. They literally fell apart because they couldn't hold themselves together. The 'new Dolls' have now been performing well for over five years constantly getting tighter and tighter. The other players have come from other good bands and the resulting group is a powerforce unlike any of the newer bands on the bill.
Anybody who immediatley discounts a genuine legend in their fifties is obviously a very biased and VERY clueless individual.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 4:28 PM"
Simply put, the above is the best freaking post I've yet to read on BV.
Spot-on, Anon - spot-on!
In my world, not unlike the Clash, the Dolls require sum-zero explanation, and yet, I believe in my own way that, I understand why you were compelled to school the person to whom you replied: the world's populated by philistines.
Especially the hipster-element.
Again, well done!
PS: And, Steve Conte rules.
Posted by rnrrenegade | May 16, 2007 7:55 PM
At the Randall's Island show and they placed the strokes in between the Dolls and the Stooges. What a terrible mistake for that OVER RATED band! It was so obvious how pretentious and lame the strokes really are in comparison to two bands who know that a concert is about entertaining fans who want to party with some great music, not impressing insecure hipsters and 22 year old blog critics with their hair (a style copped from the Dolls of course - Oh the irony!) and celebrity girl friends.
Also, while jam bands are totally not my thing, I actually think I would prefer them to these indie bands of the moment who totally do not know how to put on an out door show! Keyboards suck! You have to be Loud! and Fast! and Out of Control!!!!!!
Posted by AguaLinda | May 16, 2007 8:02 PM
I agree with the "Free music, why are we arguing over free music" reaction. They did also mention that it's an initial lineup. Things change, maybe (insert favorite band here) will get on board.
Posted by sixtywatt | May 16, 2007 10:43 PM
> nyd is balls.....im not gonna stay for their show
Yeah, let's all leave right before nyd. Let's show the voice who's boss! boycott the headliner.
Posted by Anonymous | May 17, 2007 12:19 AM
The Noisettes have been added to the lineup on the official site.
Posted by Anonymous | May 17, 2007 12:35 AM
I'll say it again: Would it KILL the voice to feature some hip hop in Coney Island just once?? Maybe a little Aesop Rock?
"I keep my ghoul spirit concealed, until the warriors return to the Coney Isle Wonder Wheel"
Boycott? WTF? That is just stupid.
Posted by Dave S. | May 17, 2007 10:59 AM
Would it kill the voice to feature anything except buzz bands?
Remember when Your Enemies Friends played? Man or Astroman? Rainer Maria? Q and Not U? Enon? Les Savy Fav? Trail of Dead back when they were good?
The past couple years of Siren reflects some pretty supreme laziness. Shame on the Voice.
Posted by Luke | May 17, 2007 1:15 PM
"I know this gets followed by calling me a pathetic hipster (a word that was invented two years ago to describe kids in Williamsburg!)"
Are you joking? Pop culture did not start and end with your skinny jeans and asymmetrical haircut. The word hipster originally referred to jazz/bebop fans in the 40s...which is why the current usage is so frustrating; at least the original hipsters had style.
Posted by Anonymous | May 17, 2007 1:45 PM
Great lineup....if this is the last Siren show it is only fitting that a band that actually HAS New York accents is the headliner and besides that they are more amazing live than ever and it's FREE,for God's sake! god you "hipsters" (i agree 1:45pm))are soooooooooooo friggin' entitled-stay home and look for the perfect pair of skinny jeans.
Posted by coney island baby | May 17, 2007 2:41 PM
Matt & Kim suck.
Posted by Anonymous | May 16, 2007 9:51 AM
Dear Anonymous:
YOU suck.
Posted by Megg | May 17, 2007 3:15 PM
Bunch of white people hangin' out like whiteys.
Posted by Ricky | May 18, 2007 11:42 AM
I think "hipster" is a word that people apply to people they don't know, but who dress like them. Or slightly better. Nobody will own up to being a hipster, but they freely apply that label to everyone else.
I guess this is what happens when all the alternative/indie kids move away from their hometowns and are confronted with hordes of people just like them. Accustomed to being outcasts, craving the alienation they were once so desperate to escape, they turn on each other. Authenticity is theirs alone. Everybody else is a "hipster".
It's all very tedious.
Posted by enough | May 18, 2007 11:52 AM
I dunno guys, NY Dolls (yes, minus Killer Kane and Johnny Thunders) and Black Lips are good enough for me. Not really a fan of Matt and Kim though.
Posted by Culture Vulture | May 22, 2007 1:01 PM
question! okay someone said we are scientists are playin mercury lounge sometime this summer? true? false?
i hope yes!
Posted by ashley | May 22, 2007 10:44 PM
I heard they are playing with the Spinto band there.
Posted by coco | May 25, 2007 10:22 AM
lavender diamond were fucking brilliant tonight. so were the black lips and MIA. this was a good year for Siren. Matt and Kim SUCKED!
and fuck all you assholes who disagree!
Posted by anonymous | July 21, 2007 10:34 PM