That sound? That sound you hear? The sound of scalpers flexing their fingers. It's the sound of human misery.

That sound? That sound you hear? It's the sound of scalpers flexing their fingers. It's the sound of misery.

Got a pair!!!!!!!!

Was on at exactly noon and got nothing. Damnit.

sold out

sold out

SOLD OUT AT 12:02

got 2. sweet.

Got mine. Woo!

It sold out within 20 seconds.

already gone

damn waiting room!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

F'ing ridiculous...had 3 waiting rooms going...NOTHING.

hell yea got a pair woo!

Got two at 12:03. Was held up in limbo for a minute or two but it worked. I hope!!!

got 2!!!!!

They are still available. Use the password wowiezowie and hten put them in your cart. then check out.

Grabbed 2.

So glad I got this after missing out on all the other "big" shows this summer.

who the fuck cares, they will play agian soon

i guess i got lucky...scored one right at high noon

What was that 'waiting room' bullshit? I got nothing man

the question is will someone pay more than the $200 that was paid to go to the interpol show this week?

I got a pair and can't quite believe it after so many disappointments in similar situations this year. Am reading and re-reading my confirmation e-mail to make sure this isn't a joke.

If you keep trying you might get lucky.

"who the fuck cares, they will play agian soon"

Yeah, but not at the Bowery Ballroom.

Aaaarg... first missed the Interpol show, now this. At least I got Inteprol tix for Atlantic City as a consolation prize, but still pretty unfortunate.

Disco Stu likes disco music.

For those that got tickets, did you use the password?

Just saw this ad on Craigslist:

FRANZ TIX:
$120 EA CALL CHRIS 917-562-3143

Everyone call this guy and tell him he's an asshole.

KEEP REFRESHING I GOT THEM AT 12:15

just got tickets at 12:15pm!

w00t

persistence pays off!

I got one, yes, see you at the gig P

get over it, they are okay but not worth your energy or misery

that guy chris posts like every day for all the shows. he always posts the same number.

he often sells at scalper prices, and will lowball if he's looking to buy. often offers to trade a dvd of the show if he's looking for a tough ticket.

clearly, i spend too much time on craigslist.

just picked up 2 as well at 12:16

"the question is will someone pay more than the $200 that was paid to go to the interpol show this week?"

Probably. Franz fans are way crazier than Interpol fans.

yup, got them at 12:15

got a pair...when i refreshed my cell phone (on at&t time is that makes a difference) said 11:58pm and that's when i got the ticketweb form...by 12:02 i was checked out.

I've been in the waiting room for 10 minutes and have already entered my cc info. Is this normal?

I just got two also -- it's not over!

I got 2 at high noon - the server was so slow that I thought I'd missed out. This will hopefully make up for missing Interpol.

Holy crap just got a pair

Rather annoyingly I ended up with one ticket and not a pair - something went wrong around the entering the password point and when I got to the order confirmation form it was too late.

Oh well, I'll be the one at the back staring into my beer between bands.

Holy crap just got a pair

I hope there are openers, Booker T and the MGs are playing at 7pm and this show is listed at 8pm.

You people shouldn't give up so easily. About to get 2

hey..I just scored one for Lily Allen..Sweet!!!

hey..I just scored one for Lily Allen..Sweet!!!

i love how i was on the phone with some asshat at from ticketweb and he told me were sold out at 12:00pm on the dot. then i get tickets 15 minutes later. i'm feeling pretty lucky, got a pair to both interpol and franz at the bowery.

Alex - I'll be solo to. Let's get a group of BV readers to get together and stair into our beers. It'll be great!

How does that Chris dbag sell two? Doesn't the CC holder have to go in?

Keep getting tickets, and keep getting errors at check out.

Wow that was cool. I got in at noon on the dot. Got put in the waiting room for 5 minutes. I let out a huge fart and then i got 2 tickets. Smell one for the little guy. Yay

just got 2 at 12:26pm

keep trying guys

I got shut out, but then tried again with the wowiezowie for the hell of it and got two, that was at like 12:02. Can't believe it worked!

Wow that was cool. I got in at noon on the dot. Got put in the waiting room for 5 minutes. I let out a huge fart and then i got 2 tickets. Smell one for the little guy. Yay

lucky bastards, i've been trying since noon and nada.

Fuck ticketweb. 'Continue Shopping' for what? Norah fucking Jones.

this chris guy is busy:

http://www.google.com/search?q=917-562-3143&hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-51,GGLG:en&filter=0

2 kings of leon from chris...hahahah

that guy is scum

What's ticketweb's phone number? I can't seem to find it on their website.

Everyone call Chris. Post your Chris stories here.

MP77 - good idea, we could even stare at each others beers for a bit of variety.

Though I am now commanding all my friends to keep hitting refresh like there's no tomorrow. Most of them have given up and gone for lunch.

any point in still trying

Oh ya know what i just realized. I have spoken to this Chris cl guy before. I was selling my extra for Chris Cornell at Irving and he contacted me. Apparently the deal is he works for one of the major record companies and has contacts at the others and smaller ones and he gets tickets from them and then resells for profit. He has "in's" at a lot of different places ie sporting events, tv shows like Letterman and SNL. He is actually pretty well connected from what i gathered.

why does ticket web bother to keep the green ticket icon up like their still available?? You think they would let us know so we dont waste our time.

why does ticket web bother to keep the green ticket icon up like their still available?? You think they would let us know so we dont waste our time.

is anyone else stuck in a waiting room? i've been in for over 35 minutes and am afraid it's just stuck.
i'm getting hungry!

35 minutes in the waiting room? yeah, think it's time to call it a day. someone left you in there and forgot about you. my, you're patient...

50 minutes of hitting refresh, what a waste

I find it difficult to believe people got tickets off their cel phone internets when i got a high speed and cant get any

I'd like to nominate June 13 as Official International Cockpunch A Scalper Day. You're never going to guess how it's celebrated.

Then these scalper/fans post craigslist with "i will walk in with you" to venue. Yeah. "I will walk in with you and enjoy the concert you just paid me to watch with you."

"not so secret" show

take a gander at this asshole, i hope he chokes on a jumbo sized chicken wing and dies:

Selling: (1) One FRANZ FERDINAND Tickets @ Bowery Ballroom NEW YORK - $299
Reply to: sale-346922275@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-06-07, 12:31PM EDT

I have one ticket for sale. PayPal only.

We will enter the venue together on the night of the show as tickets are will call only.

I don't live in NYC, so Payment will be via PayPal only so I have a firm committment to make the trip to the city.

Please e-mail me if interested.

http://cgi.ebay.com/FRANZ-FERDINAND-TICKETS-6-13-BOWERY-BALLROOM-NEW-YORK_W0QQitemZ300119091574QQihZ020QQcategoryZ16122QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

check this one out..the person selling is offering hard tickets..and the one person who bid is another scalper.

I just emailed that guy who offered for $299 telling him i was very interested and if i could put them on "layaway".

Got to have some fun with those scum.

I have two extra tickets

Just flag those Craigslist ads as "prohibited," people. But be sure to do it more than once b/c it takes a handful of flags before a post is removed.

If you click the "prohibited" button when you find tickets on craigslist going for more than 10% over face, they often pull the ad.

Extra tickets? Let me know if you still have them. evanrmaxwell@yahoo.com

The thing I hate the most about big bands playing small venues is the inevitable complaining. It's not ticketweb, it's not some guy trying to get you to pay for his and your ticket -- it's the fact that Bowery holds 550 people!

This thread is exactly why a band like this plays a small venue -- to create demand, buzz -- they want to be NY cool again.

For the love of God, suck it up.

I actually emailed Chris from CL about tickets a while back. I also emailed a Tranny to set up a casual encounter. It turns out that they were both the same people.

This person is right. Scalpers have a hard life and need to be compensated. its not easy being a scalper. you try it. $500 for a pair of tickets isnt worth complaining over. Really.

How about the inevitable sarcasm? do you hate that too?

PS- Scalping is no longer illegal in NY. So all you dickweed hipsters can wear your Tina Faye glasses and whine all you want about not getting tickets...no one gives a shit.

Dickweed? I havent heard that term since the 80s. Ok Vinny, put your hard hat on and go back to the construction site I think you have some more sheetrock to unload.

How about when "scalpers" take losses and sell tickets for 50-90% below cost. Then you people come out of the woodwork to pay in nickels...and you couldn't be happier. No one says a word when that happens. But now you little fags can't get tickets to Franz Ferdinand and you act like it's the end of the world. Go read a book in the park and pretend like it's a cool thing to do.

Anonymous 1:43PM is right. Scalping in NYC isn't even illegal anymore.

the resale of tickets to events in NYS is still limited to face value+20% or $5 (whichever is higher). you're an idiot if you think scalping is legal.

If someone sells their ticket below face value, I don't know if I'd necessary call it "scalping"...nahumsayin?

When i see actual tickets to the show actually going for 400 or 500 dollars, and not just an asking price, ill be happy to sell mine. Id be crazy not to. I hate scalpers just as much as the next person but when you all start paying my bills then i will take the high road

I'm part Cherokee and scalping has been a tradition in my family for years.

"the resale of tickets to events in NYS is still limited to face value+20% or $5 (whichever is higher). you're an idiot if you think scalping is legal."

"You are a moron"- a wise man. Not just a regular moron, an uninformed moron. Who doesn't even think twice to read a newspaper, type in google dot come, or ask someone before spouting off misinformation.

the reason companies like StubHub can markup tickets to ungodly prices is that the NYS markup laws do not apply if the sale takes place outside of NYS. So if their offices are in Jersey, it's legal to charge $600 for a $35 ticket. Which is totally fucked and the reason the concert industry is going to fall apart, but is legal nonetheless

Hey, not to insert something completely random into this oh so intense discussion but anyone else listen to The White Stripes-Icky Thump retail leak that hit the net last night. There are some ridiculously rocking songs on there. Jack White really tears into it on this one.

http://www.c-n.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070601/FRONT01/70601029

i always like to think of scalping (and its subsequent enemies) in the context of Friedrich Nietzsche's "On the Genealogy of Morals" and his concept of the master/slave morality.

The master morality takes what he wants --> he buys the two tickets and sells them.

the slave morality founds its morality on the basis that what the master morality does is evil since it interferes with his own abilities, and he is a victim of the master's deeds --> he did not get tickets, and does not have the money to buy scalped tickets, and thus he regards the scalping as evil.

nietzsche goes on to say that while members of the slave morality may regard the scalping as evil, if they were truly the masters of their own domain, they would simply buy the tickets, scalp them, and show no regard for the members of the slave morality. this is what seperates the masters from the slaves.

so basically, if you didn't get a ticket, and are complaining, then you're just a little loser bitch, and probably would be scalping them as we speak if you could.

the scalper is selling for the exact same reason that the victims are complaining - lack of money. we are all the same. the scalper is the same as the victim, only under different circumstances.

i now end your philosophy lesson for the day.

Got 'em.

Spoken like a true gentleman Anonymous, 2:01 PM.

and yes, scalping in NYC is completely legal now ,regardless of price.

so suck a fat dick, Anonymous 1:52pm.

a fat dick.

"The current law lets brokers charge up to 45 percent above face value for large events. However, for venues with fewer than 6,000 seats, the cap is 20 percent above face value."

This isn't Radio City Music Hall, so these tickets shouldn't go for more than $36.

Regardless of whether or not scalpers are heartless bastards out to make a quick buck - surely the burden here is with the venues, promoters and ticket agencies - not with the state?

It really isn't that hard to come up with a stricter way of ensuring that tickets are non-transferable and only the original purchaser can use them, it's just the venues are slack about enforcing it giving the scalpers a window.

Look at what's happened with Glastonbury in the UK, following so many years of tickets being bought up by scalpers and then sold on they've gone to the length now of having people's photos on the actual tickets and, hey presto, the scalpers are completely cut out.

Sure, that's a bit extreme, but if the Bowery just got tough on asking for photo ID which matches credit card ID which matches name on tickets it would be much harder for scalpers to offload tickets and therefore make them think twice before buying them in the first place.

Maybe for these high demand events they should insist on you naming the second person? No more of this 'we'll meet outside and you'll walk in with me'?

wow, some people are really stupid (Anonymous 2:06PM)

read the entire article.

and Anonymous 2:01PM just revolutionized scalping - that was just philosophical. very deep stuff.

good job!

The term "scalping" only has negative connotations. Look at the root origins of that word. You think the early american settlers were happy to get half their head taken off?

HAHA very well put, Anonymous 2:01pm. Kudos to you.

Wow...apparently your reading COMPREHENSION skills were left behind in 5th grade. That refers to the "current" law (current being current as of 5-7 days ago), in which they couldn't go for 20% more. That is no longer CURRENT.

Oops, I stand corrected. Thanks, Anon 2:01.

"the reason companies like StubHub can markup tickets to ungodly prices is that the NYS markup laws do not apply if the sale takes place outside of NYS. So if their offices are in Jersey, it's legal to charge $600 for a $35 ticket. Which is totally fucked and the reason the concert industry is going to fall apart, but is legal nonetheless"

Please explain to me why the concert industry is going to fall apart because there is so much demand that people are paying $600 for a $35 ticket. Seems like an industry where demand is greater than supply would be a good one to be in.

It is nice rhetoric though.

Anonymous 2:09PM,

The term "scalping" may have negative connotations, alluding to the Native American practice, but then again - doesn't this simply further support Nietzsche's Master/Slave Morality?

You only regard scalping as evil when YOU are the victim. Americans killed countless Native Americans while fulfilling their "manifest destiny" of their respective North American territory, and thus seems much less stigmatized than the seemingly "savage" and "rash" Native American practice of scalping during battles. But then again, both people are spilling blood, both are killing.

The Native American and the American are the same in their savageness. The Red Man equals the White Man.

(if you're lost, please refer to my earlier post, authored by "Anonymous 2:01pm")

I guess stupid hipsters like 2:06 PM just wear glasses and hang out in coffee shops to try to look smart, when in reality they can't dissect a 3 paragraph article.

anon 2:01pm has to be the single-most philosophical blog poster in the world hah

good sh*t nonetheless, all too true...

Ah, but the use of the word "scalp" now offends the Red Man. Thus, negative connotations still existing today.

Seriously.

the Nietzsche Post Guy (aka Anonymous 2:01pm) is good stuff - I hope he stops by the Vegan more often :)

Much better than all the complaining on this message board.

fuck this show. if they aren't playing in a bubble then it ain't worth seeing.

The concert industry is just in a very sad state these days. It's become nothing more than another venue for greed. The days when live music was for the fans are long gone. Now it's nothing more than a glorified stock market with a good soudtrack. It's a shame. It used to be about the music. Now that's the absolute last thing on anyone's mind.

goodnight old friend.

Yeah i enjoyed the whole Nietzsche theories applied to scalping and history. Fortunately for society and the planet, these theories are just that and not reality. It's those pesky honest, good, noble and optimistic people out there who throughout history continually shove a fist into the gloomy mouth of Nietzche's theories. Many people do not scalp their tickets for ridiculous prices because it is just sleazy and many people without those tickets do not like it because it is just sleazy. Luckily I get through life believing that Karma truly exists.

Was this Nietzsche guy a scalper? I think I used to see him outside Yankee Stadium.

i think he was trying to say that it didn't matter if he was a scalper or not, and that everyone is the same.

and i (unlike Anon 2:30pm) happen to agree - the theory gets more interesting if you apply it to other situations in life (like why i resent all of the things that my parents, and thus swear that i won't be that way when i'm a parent, even though i probably will)

i think he was trying to say that it didn't matter if he was a scalper or not, and that everyone is the same.

and i (unlike Anon 2:30pm) happen to agree - the theory gets more interesting if you apply it to other situations in life (like why i resent all of the things that my parents, and thus swear that i won't be that way when i'm a parent, even though i probably will)

Yeah, and I believe Nietzsche once scalped tickets at a Beethoven concert once so it's all good.

I've been refreshing for over three hours now..do you think its' wise to give up??

How did Nietzsche find out the password for the Beethoven tix if they didn't have blogs or email back then? Was he a member of Beethoven's fan club?

Beethoven played an invite-only show over at Nietzche's bathtub.

I just got tickets

Too bad beethoven was dead when Nietzche was born.

This thread has thus far proven that bv commentators can't read, nor do they know basic history.

Anon 3:09. Tix to what? Franz or the Beethoven bathtub show?

anon 2:01:

if i remember correctly, he also makes the distinction of good/evil, which is an idea of the slaves, and good/bad, which is something the masters subscribe to. the good/bad distinction is when you do something that is essentially *bad form*. something embarrassing. something you should have known better about.

in that case, if you think of indie rock nerds like all of *us* (meaning everyone who reads this site) as the masters (meaning this is where taste is determined for the use of people who aren't as educated, don't understand, etc) then scalping tickets is not *evil* but *bad*. because it is what a douchebag does who doesn't understand that your little $20 mark up means you're essentially middlebrow if that's what you work hard for. and art is bigger than that.

a stretch, perhaps. i read it like ten years ago, and i was drunk. and listening to the fucking sisters of mercy at full volume. getting a blow job from a scalper.

@ Anon 3:10

nor anything resembling a sense of humor. loser

I was at that Beethoven bathtub show...it sucked because the crowd wasn't into it...they just stood there with their arms folded and didn't move...those nazi hipsters think they're so cool...plus people were talking in the parlor...also they had the nerve to charge 40 pfenning...

This conversation is great and all but the big question is....who wants to join the beer staring party?

"The concert industry is just in a very sad state these days. It's become nothing more than another venue for greed. The days when live music was for the fans are long gone. Now it's nothing more than a glorified stock market with a good soudtrack. It's a shame. It used to be about the music. Now that's the absolute last thing on anyone's mind.

goodnight old friend."

More rhetoric. When was the music industry not interested in making money?

Dude, who quoted all the Nietzche stuff: Get off your ivory tower. And I dont mean the toilet bowl you currently frequent.

Josh 3:13,

Nietzsche's discussion on good/evil is an entirely different concept than his understanding of the terms "good vs. bad." based on his philosophy, good/evil is derived from the slave morality, as they first define what is "evil" as the actions through which the members of the master morality victimize them. the good/bad distinction is derviced from the master morality, in that the actions they do are good - not good in the moral sense, but great, heroic, triumphant, and praiseworthy - and thus they regard all inferior forms as "bad," strictly based on the sense that they do not achieve such levels of grandiosity - they consider themselves the highest echelon of mankind.

the master morality is regarded as the correct morality, since the slave morality is created through resentment of the master morality's actions, and - as Nietzsche so eloquently puts - basing one's moral parameters on another's actions being "evil" is as irrational as a the prey of a "bird of prey" basing its moral concept on the actions of the bird as "evil" since, in fact, the bird's actions are not evil at all, but rather simply of a superior nature to the victim (the bird's prey).

thus, if one were truly acquainted with the metaphysical nature of the universe, one would be forced to accept that the only correct thing to do is abandon one's slave morality and rather strive to achieve the superior, dominant master morality

Dude, you f'ing serious?!? The Beethoven Bathtub show was SICK. Ludwig was totally into it...The 5th Symphony (movement 4) encore was off the charts. I'm so tired of hearing these loser hipsters talk about people not "dancing enough" at these shows. He's a pianist for God's sake...just cause I'm not moving around doesn't mean I'm not enjoying it.

Anyone see Joseph Hayden in the crowd? Heard he was there.

(This work day can not end soon enough)

Yeah, I saw Hayden in the crowd. He was wearing a dress and getting serviced by Bach. Mozart was sitting in the balcony so we all started chanting "Wolfgang" "Wolfgang". I was kind of disappointed Ludwig didn't play any new stuff.

What time did Beethoven go on? How was the sound in Nietzche's bathtub? Anyone have the set list?

The sound in Nietzche's bathtub was tight! Much better than that new East Village bathtub.

They just don't make 'em the way they used to.

hrmph, yeah ok. point taken then if that's what yer saying. lesson is: quit complaining, which i can get behind in most situations, i admit. but then we gotta make the distinction that scalpers are not doing anything heroic, and so while we shouldn't label their behavior as "evil," that does not make them good either, and as they are certainly not supermen performing heroic deeds they fail on that count, too.

it would be slave behavior, middle class, what have you, to say something like "scalpers should get real jobs if they are capable of it," so we shouldn't say it. rather, we should float above all of it, eyes on our heroic deeds. not that we won't step on a few fingers, cause a few deaths, etc. because we are above caring about that.

i wish i could be in the other conversation about beethoven. that one's better, dude. we should have gone that direction with it.

F-ck Live Nation for making us go all the way to Nietzche's to see Beethoven. I had to switch horse carraiges 3 f-cking times! There was no place to get a lager after the show either.

And I can't believe they're going to rename the place Fillmore at Nietzche's Bathtub.

That Oompah Band they had opening really sucked. It took them forever to set up.

Also, too many frat boys in leiderhosen there. I can't believe everyone knows about Beethoven now, it's freaking impossible to get tickets.

Mozart stole my basketball.

I'm f'ing dying laughing over here...please keep the Beethoven posts coming.

I didn't like security - one guy kept poking me with his sword to get me to sit down. Also, I couldn't find my seat because there weren't enough candles.

Was it just me, or did Ludwig seem like he wasn't really into it last night? I think he may have done too much lead before the show.

Yeah security was too tight, you know all those guards listen to Rachmaninov before the show!

The website says the Beethoven show is sold out, but I understand there may be tickets at the door. Do I go to the box office in Salieri's drawing room, or straight to the Fillmore at Nietzche's Bathtub? I am so psyched for this. I saw him play the 11 o'clock Mass five years ago before the 8.9 on pitchfork.

Now this is an incredible message board. My job is done.

To anon@4:29pm...NO WAY, The Oompah band rocked! I only went to see them, left right after they finished...Beethoven sucks, don't you hipsters have any taste? It's like Beethoven can't even hear himself play...

Beethoven was good when he was indie but he's sold out now. He's a douchebag for playing the large concerts halls, he should come back to Bonn and do a free show for us.

via ludwigfans.com/blog.html

beethoven is the supposed 'surprise' guest this friday at south street seaport. he is not playing though, he is going to be spinning.

via ludwigfans.com/blog.html

beethoven is the supposed 'surprise' guest this friday at south street seaport. he is not playing though, he is going to be spinning.

I liked his Symphony Number 5, but Number 6 sucks balls.

i got 25 tickets but i'm gonna use them all for myself because then there will be more room for me to do my thing.

what is my thing?

take a guess...one lucky winner will get half of a ticket...ok, maybe whole one.

Is Beethoven playing in a bubble?

the show at nietsche's sucked. everyone in the first two rows had their quill and papyrus and was too busy writing to enjoy the show.

Did you all see that babe in the 3rd row who lifted her skirt above her ankle when she sat?

That a-hole painting a portrait in the front row blocked my view, what a dick. Didn't the tickets say no painting allowed?

I'm suprised no one here taked about the merch! I snagged myself a Beethoven seat cover for my horse carriage and awesome Beethoven quill and matching ink pot. They look awesome on my mantle.

Dude, first I miss Maroon 5 at the Bowery and now this.

Hey, morons, Beethoven doesn't play an instrument or conduct the orchestra, so his presence at a performance of his work is superfluous. He's just there for the scene.

yeah, i saw beethoven and george clinton play a cholera festival together and they both just stood there with wild hair while the band played.

What was with that wig he was wearing last night, it was so '30's (1830's)...

Also, what's with the ego trip?... he was acting like he's Mozart playing a small venue.

Overall, I have to say I liked the first of the Bathtub Sessions, I'm hoping to get a single off one those slimy Bavarian scalpers tonight.

I hate having any contact with those Beethoven scalpers, I swear they all have the plague.

Also, the guy behind me was coughing like he had TB.

On top of that, the outhouse line was mighty long.

BV, can you change the name of this thread to "Beethoven played the Fillmore at Nietzsche's last night"?

Correction. The venue's full name is:

"The Fillmore at Nietzsche's Bathtub"

and there were too many damn hipsters there last night yapping on their cellphones right in the middele of Movement 2: Andante con moto of his Symphony No. 5

i went to the beethoven show just to check out the scene and see what all the other concert goers were wearing. i was totally embarrassed when 2 girls standing near me were wearing the same corset and skirt that i was wearing which i bought from country outfitters. like omg.

i was so embarrassed when people clapped and it was only the end of the andante con moto. i mean, have they never heard it before? i bet most people there didn't even own the score.

For me, the funniest part was this hipster doofus next to me named Thomas trying to "record" the show. I laughed so hard, can you imagine someone actually thinking he could hear the music again long after Ludwig played it?...i think he said his last name was Edison...

haha...WTF?

Disappointed to see this thread come to an end. Who knew what witty-ass motherf'ers we had round here. Can we do this more often on the BV message boards?

fuck that deaf wanker.

I think Beethoven is so over, Pitchfork totally panned his show. I don't get why everyone is so into him...

Congrats, all, on a wonderful performance.
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2007/06/a_now_classic_c.html

who's got the mp3's ?
dimeadozen rejected my acetate...

i wonder how many Hampshire grads posted in this thread

beethoven was a nasty dog

beethoven was a nasty dog

Guess I should stop refreshing now.

Whatever, you losers. Beethoven totally jumped the shark when he moved to Vienna - what a sell-out. You all clearly started listening to him after the reviewers. Except for my Bonn homie at 5:13 PM.

I request that all future comments on BV are expressed in terms of the master/slave dialectic.

The score of Beethoven's upcoming piano sonata has leaked!

Don't bother. It's a crappy gramophone transcode rip.

I remember when I saw Beethoven at Brownie's during a CMJ show. It was some time in the mid-90s, and before he was well known he used to just run his harpsichord through a loop pedal since he didn't have a backing band. I barely got in, as the badge line to see Luchesi who was playing afterward at 11:00 was really long. Anyway, it was an incredible performance. I remember everyone in the crowd taking off their wigs at the end of the encore (he came back out for an Encore of Sonata number 30 despite the severe CMJ time restrictions--and made an impromptu change of key to B-blat) and setting them on fire.

Beethoven sucks

Totally sux. And so do all you Brooklyn-dwelling, Beethoven-listening, corsets-with-woven-ironic-slogan-wearing hipsters.

"Mozart stole my basketball"

Win.

Also, there has been so much negative buzz around Beethoven since Pitchfork gave him a 1.4

"Mozart stole my basketball"

Win.

Also, there has been so much negative buzz around Beethoven since Pitchfork gave him a 1.4

Look philosophical dudes, you could say the B-man's career is in the toilet, instead of the bathtube, but I'm not so sure.

Check this out: He doesn't do anything for a really, really long time, right? After Nietzsche's bathtube, home boy pretty much just falls off the face of the earth, outa sight, outa mind, might as well be dead. And then, from outa nowhere, the nowhere from nowhere even, he decides to hit the comeback trail. And most hipsters are neither suprised nor interested, I mean, they can barely remember him. Beethoven? Who the hell is that? He might as well just give up, he might as well just throw up his hands and go sing in a casino lounge. But he decides against all that and he goes for it.

So how does he kick it off?

He says wtf and appears in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. You know what I'm talkin' about -think back.

Philosophical dudes, I ask you: is this good or bad, good or evil?

On the one hand, you could say, "A Bill and Ted movie? Really?! That's ridiculous. B-man, I love ya but, dude, just pack it up and get back in the grave. You're wastin' your time. Very, very bad form."

But, then again, on the other hand, you could say, "Beethoven did a good move. Hipsters love the 80's, and all its 80's chic-dom. So, by extension, they would love his appearance in this movie, even before they knew they would love the 80's, even before they were possibly born. I mean, they don't call him a genius for nothin', right?" And, then, if you really wanted to get deep about it, you could say, "As Bill and Teazy went back in time, calling on our B-man for their own crappy high school report (which actually turned out to be pretty rad), the B-man, in turn, saw his own opportunity to go forward in time and put his name back where it belongs, back into the BV-news. Plus his performance on those casios in the mall scene was just fuckin' vicious."

If you were to consider it...

God, I can't wait to imbibe after work...

who's Anon??

Disappointed you didn't get the FF tickets? Here:

You and three friends pool your would-be entrance fees together, buy a high quality bottle of whiskey and some Gang of Four. Get ploughed and dance in your living room and you'll have a much better time. Guaranteed. You can lie to your friends if you need to about the show.

Hot tip: Ludwig Van is bonking Leli Sobieski. I'm not sure whether I'm jealous.

Anyone else hear the rumor that Ludwig is gonna be doing a secret show at Bowery? I hear it's will call only. Not sure yet what the password is. Anyone here a member of ludwigvanfanclub?

It better not be Webster Hall, I absolutely refuse to see anyone there....lousy acoustics and damn overpriced drinks...

yeah, it's not really a secret show, they're playing as we are bach 44.

Yeah, I hear Beethoven left the group so they can't use his name anymore. We are Bach 44 does a kickass acoustic version of Symphony Number 5 though.

I hear MTV is going to do a Beethoven unplugged.

its not funny anymore

Sold out now, but some a-hole named chris has a pair on craigslist for $800.

"I'm part Cherokee and scalping has been a tradition in my family for years."

Why is that a rationalization for scalping?

Indians have been taking money through gambling joints for years. And it's only because people/gov't feel badly for previous generations that they allow it happen. It's a business now. With savy non-Indian business people in mix, my coworker is was deemed Indian through a cememory, does that mean he has to say he isn't Jewish anymore? I think not.

If you are going to be greedy, face up to it. Don't hide behind your heritage, it is too proud and strong, unlike you.

DAMNIT, WHY DO YOU GUYS ALWAYS HAVE TO TELL ABOUT THE SECRET SHOWS HERE? YOU ASSHOLES SCREW EVERYTHING UP BY TELLING EVERYONE. US MUSIC INSIDERS SHOULD HAVE EXCLUSIVE ACCESS TO THE SECRET SHOWS. FUCK YOU ALL!! FUCK YOU TOO BEETHOVEN.

MDK 3:00 pm - you're joking, right? Right?

Beethhoven's new score leaked...sweet.

Anyone have a copy? I can't find his myspace page.

Any openers for the show?

Tickets back on sale.

http://www.ticketweb.com/t3/sale/SaleEventDetailSubmit?dispatch=proceed&eventId=189213&pl=&promoCode=password&org.apache.struts.taglib.html.CANCEL=Apply+Access+Code&tt%5B0%5D=&ut%5B0%5D=&deliveryType=100&disclaimerRequired=true

I may end up posting this twice but...

Tickets are back on sale

http://www.ticketweb.com/t3/sale/SaleEventDetailSubmit?dispatch=proceed&eventId=189213&pl=&promoCode=password&org.apache.struts.taglib.html.CANCEL=Apply+Access+Code&tt%5B0%5D=&ut%5B0%5D=&deliveryType=100&disclaimerRequired=true

Forget that - sold out again, most of the people I told seemed to get one - anyone else?

THANK YOU! Got 2.

Just got two! Thanks, Alex!

yes, thanks!!

Still available - keep trying!

got 2 about 10 mins ago, called my friend got his card info and got 2 more at 2:45. just keep refreshing. thanks so much man! (or lady)

sold out again.
I got 2 more today, Will be selling them for 200-250 on wednesday. Watch for my ebay auction.

haha take this anti-scalpers:

i got two on the original date, and now i have two in my shopping cart.

i will, however, never buy those two tickets in my shopping cart (since I can't buy two more from the same credit card anyway) - i'm just holding them ransom (in my shopping cart) until my tickets on craigslist are sold.

hahahahahahahahaha, suck a dick you whiney farts.

Hey ANON 2:44pm
please do that you stupid asshole. Then you wont get in at all and neither will the people you sell the tickets to and they will kick your ass hopefully. Schmuck its not the same credit card you cant use. It is the same name you dummy. There is a 2 ticket limit PER PERSON. That means name. When you go to the show you have to present id and card and if they see your name with more than 2 tickets they cancel all. Actually i think if it shows up on ticketweb with the same name for more than 2 tickets they cancel all of them
So go ahead dummy

Oh and there is a time limit on the cart. I think its like 5 mins. You cant hold anything "ransom" for more than that.

any info on the franz after party? or the rakes one, for that matter?

i remove the tickets every 4 minutes and put them back in - i never plan on buying the tickets, so they can't ban my name from the concert.

and you, and everyone else, will never kick my ass, because this is the internet, and you have no idea who i am. so how about you give me your personal details, and then - if i come to accept the ass-kicking that you promised - we can see if you can actually pull it off.

suck a dick you whiney complaining fart. get a job that pays more than $20/hr and maybe you can afford to not complain/buy scalped tickets.

Erm could I be the only one to think that Anon 3.19pm may not be entirely telling the truth? That for the last 2 hours they've been sitting there adding and removing a pair of tickets from their basket every 4 mins for some bizarre reason that it may make it more likely their tickets on Craigslist sell. Maybe not.

There are easy ways to make it harder for people to sell on their tickets anyway, as I wrote somewhere earlier on this board before it all went down a rather odd classical / philosophy route. It just needs Bowery Presents to actually care about enforcing their own rules.

Glad everyone who got them got them, I shall no longer be staring at my beer at the back between bands.

between bands? who's opening?

Agreed, Alex. At least, I HOPE Anon 3:19 is being dishonest. Even a $500 profit isn't worth the monotony of doing that. All the money in the world won't buy him/her a life.

No idea about the afterparties, but if the Franz afterparty follows the gig immediately, then you'd be missing the Pigeon Detectives and the Rakes at the KF at 11.

Of course that mongoloid is lying. You cant even do that-remove them and then put them back in. Once you remove them they go back into the pool. Yeah and when there were only a few tickets put on sale today this guy managed to corner the whole system and keep getting the few tickets
He is just a little internet geek loser with no life trying to rile up you people. This is what one does when they have been living in mommy and daddys basement their whole life

As for Bowery presents not enforcing their rules. HUH? At interpol they were very strict. You when downstairs, had to show y oru card and id,and had to go immediately inside. If u had a 2nd ticket the guest had to walk in with you. It is going to be the same at this show. I am not sure how they are not enforcing their rules???

Finally.."but if the Franz afterparty follows the gig immediately, then you'd be missing the Pigeon Detectives and the Rakes at the KF at 11."

---that is a show i can def miss

On the not enforcing rules point, I agree with you but I think the problem is the inconsitency. For Arcade Fire @ United Palace they were really strict, insisting that if the billing address didn't match the address on your ID then you needed to be able to recite it before they let you in, but for Bright Eyes @ the Bowery you could be walking in with anyone's credit card details (as they only checked ID upstairs and creidt card downstairs, not both together) making it much easier to scalp the tickets.

If they were consistent and you definitely didn't get in if you weren't the guy named on the ID which matched the ticket order then people wouldn't buy scalped tickets on Craigslist because they'd know they'd be worthless - one experience of spending $200 and then getting turned away would at least make you think twice. As demand dries up scalpers stop buying them in the first place as they don't want to get dumped with tickets they can't move. See my earlier post about how this problem has been virtually eradicated for Glastonbury in the UK.

Also from my earlier post, insisting that you name who the second person is when you book for high profile events and that they also bring ID would again make it much harder to scalp the tickets.

My basic point is that if the promoters wanted to get tough on the scalpers it's honestly not that hard.

"insisting that you name who the second person is when you book for high profile events and that they also bring ID would again make it much harder to scalp the tickets."

It would, but that would suck. I got a pair of tickets for the Franz show on Wednesday, forgetting the person I had in mind for the second had a prior engagement. So I found a buyer for face and we'll be meeting day of. Getting stuck with that ticket when so many people are going nuts to get in wouldn't be cool at all.

"Getting stuck with that ticket when so many people are going nuts to get in wouldn't be cool at all." - agreed, but it wouldn't be that hard to have a means by which you can get one ticket refunded for a sold out event and they release it back into the pool where it can be fairly bought by whoever is lucky enough to be on their site that day - kind of like the extra released tickets I got lucky with today. It's obviously not something you'd want to do for all gigs, as I often buy two tickets in the offchance of persuading an unidentified friend to come along, but for these kind of 'bound to sell out in 5 mins' gigs it could be worth it to give more people a chance of getting in without having to pay through the nose to someone who's just trying to make a quick buck.

Just an idea.

Or, and just thought of this, have a returns line, so if you do end up with a spare ticket with your friend's name on it you can return it at the box office and it can be sold onto whoever has got the energy to spend all day queuing. Would definitely make sure the ticket goes to someone who really wants to see the show and you get your money back. And no room for scalpers.

Seriously, if the promoters and ticket agencies just got creative, I'm sure they could start to solve this problem. I'm just not convinced they're interested. After all, it only really happened with Glastonbury because the police got involved and they were threatened with losing their license.

Wait i still dont agree, even if downstairs they are just checking the credit card and not id, what scalper is going to give you his credit card to go into the show with..You cant show a copy on a piece of paper. It has to be the actual card. And you cant show the card and then go back out and get people in or give them tickets. You had and have to show them the card and then and if you have a guest go right in and with a 2 ticket limit per person(name on card) a scalper can only do 1 ticket.As well the card holder cant come downstairs with 2 people, show the card and say oh they are the ones going in. For any real scalper that kind of hassle is just not worth it

Being back all the Beethoven talk. It was getting tiresome, but better than reading comments from ticketless hipsters that got shut out.

If you peruse this site and you're posting, you are a hipster too. sorry to break it to you pal.

NOT...i persue this site often and am definitely NOT a hipster.

You actually can show a copy of the credit card at most Bowery shows. But never mind, if you're right then not a single one of the people buying tickets on Craigslist will get in which has to be a good thing.

And to the 'ticketless hipster' guy - noone's forcing you to read the site. I was trying to help out in posting when I found out tickets were on sale which some people seemed to appreciate, that's all. If you had actually read the post you'd also have seen that we actually have tickets, it was just instead of the constant moaning about all the scalpers every time a gig sells out I was suggesting some ways I thought it could be better. But sorry for wasting your time.

A limit of two tickets per NAME? What if you have a very common name?

The scalper could buy the tickets using a Visa gift card s/he'd give the buyer. Or use a regular card, cancel it and give the buyer the canceled card.

And I agree with Alex's ideas, but they'd require more manpower to do that, which means more salaries, which means higher ticket prices. Though I'd rather give the extra money to someone with a legitimate job than a scalper.

Well I waited and had my Dad wait at home all Wednesday and then spend most of my night online waiting, which should have been spent studying for finals. And then on my birthday I find out that I can't even by tickets because I'm under 18. Which sucks even more than not getting tickets!

But I did kind of write the band an angry myspace message about it and got kind of a sweet but contrite reply from Alex. I almost peed my pants...

Hey, anyone got the pre-sale password to the beer-staring party? Don't even tell me it's LOSER--I'd guess WINNER, because at least we all have tickets.

Shannon: Please post a link to your MySpace page.

Maybe in Indiana a venue will have a 'returns' line (which is the only place I ever saw a venue allow someone (who had just upgraded at the box office to a better seat) return their ticket or trade it in. there are economics that prohibit it as well - you've sold out the venue, you're not going to change that state for any reason.

more likely, TM hasn't found a way to make that part of the exercise profitable for them just yet.

I know that returns lines aren't common for gigs but they are very common at other arts venues (theatre, classical etc). And there's no economic implication, you only get your money back if it's sold onto someone waiting in line - if there is no line you're stuck with your ticket, the venue stays sold out whatever. It's basically a more legitimate way than standing around outside trying to sell it and gives those locked out an alternative to going to the scalpers.

So my basic suggestion is, for high demand shows, insist that every ticket has a name on it and provide a legitimate way of selling on tickets you can no longer use - and there are many ways TM or any promoter can make money out of that (think of the booking fees...).

For an alternative and innovative solution to the scalping problem check out www.scarletmist.com.

And that's the last I have to say on the topic because I doubt it will ever really change and we'll be stuck with trawling Craigslist for tickets and mad scrambles on Ticketweb for quite some time. Back to the 'Who's bigger? Franz Ferdinand or The Beatles?' thread.

Ticketmaster does have Ticketexchange, but that only works online and doesn't help at the venue...and Bowery Presents doesn't work with them anyway (thought Ticketmaster redirects to Ticketweb now anyway and the fees are the same, so there's really no difference).

i have an extra to tonights show. if anyone needs one email me at lizardking12587@hotmail.com

Does anyone know if there are other bands on the bill tonight? It seems crazy that there would be no openers. Just trying to do some time management.

As I type this tickets are currently back on sale.

Go to the following link (ignore the error message about the password), choose quantity, click the agree to terms button, add to cart, and enjoy

http://www.ticketweb.com/t3/sale/SaleEventDetailSubmit?dispatch=proceed&eventId=189213&pl=&promoCode=password&org.apache.struts.taglib.html.CANCEL=Apply+Access+Code&tt%5B0%5D=&ut%5B0%5D=&deliveryType=100&disclaimerRequired=true

Is on-stage time still nine-ish?

just got one for tonight at 12:38!!!

Official word on tonight's show: DJ set at 8pm, Franz Ferdinand go on "around 9:30."

fyi - tickets are still available as of 2:25 pm

If anyone's interested in buying a Franz ticket for face, but only getting in after McCartney's over, please comment. I just lost my +1.

Hey, I would be interested in buying that +1 at face. email me at : jeeves1984@hotmail.com

Cheers

Anyone thing we would have gotten more songs if those girls didn't climb up on stage?

"Anyone thing we would have gotten more songs if those girls didn't climb up on stage?"

I totally agree, i swear i saw alex leave the stage pissed off. Those tubby bitches fucked up the last part of the show.