Posted in NYC | music on June 1, 2007

Time Out

Under the guise of “irony,” hipsterism fetishizes the authentic and regurgitates it with a winking inauthenticity. Those 18-to-34-year-olds called hipsters have defanged, skinned and consumed the fringe movements of the postwar era—Beat, hippie, punk, even grunge. Hungry for more, and sick with the anxiety of influence, they feed as well from the trough of the uncool, turning white trash chic, and gouging the husks of long-expired subcultures—vaudeville, burlesque, cowboys and pirates......

.....The fault lines are clear enough already. We know that there are Sweet hipsters, who practice the sort of irony you can take home to meet the parents, and there are those Vicious hipsters, who practice the form of not-quite-passive aggression called snark..... [Time Out]

Sweet or Viscious?The entire hipster table of contents HERE. Are you a hipster? Sweet or viscious? Name your favorite sweet & viscious hipsters in the comments.

For further reading, check out this (hip) article from last week's Time Out:
Savvy concertgoers reveal eight proven strategies to get you in.

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Comments (60)

my favorite is the "blipster."

Posted by bubba | June 1, 2007 11:21 AM

who does timeout think reads / subscribes to their magazine?

"art school dropouts"...who they claim are legit NON-hipsters?

i think not.

timeout represents everything that is hipster. i find their article defiling hipsters quite ironic...

Posted by hipster73 | June 1, 2007 11:21 AM

i don't know about the above article

buuuuuuuut that hipster quiz. was. ridiculous.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 11:24 AM

i agree. those references to 'hip' places... crazy.

and the hipster quiz. i'm sorry but LOLZ is all i can say... (dripping with sarcasm).

ahhhh

i bought this magazine when I was grocery shopping the other day because when i saw 'hipster' plastered across the cover, my jaw dropped.

Posted by anonymous | June 1, 2007 11:28 AM

my favorite vicious hipsters are the anonymous commentors on brooklynvegan.com

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 11:42 AM

A few years ago, TONY was a good resource for finding out what was going on (alhtough a bit Manhattan-centric). Eventually the mag stopped giving good advice about film, music, etc. and started trying to give cool advice in its place. (Did you ever notice how their movie reviewers always know an earlier, more obscure film that did a better job tackling the content of the film they are currently reviewing? Ibid for music.)

Anyway, I decided to resubscribe a few months ago and this issue brought back to me exactly why I stopped receiving it.

Posted by Tommy | June 1, 2007 11:48 AM

Hipster don't have to die, but let's just move them all to a crappy neighborhood like Bushwick where they can't annoy anyone except themselves and meaningless locals. They are finally getting kicked out of Brooklyn. The longer ride will be a peace of cake on their stupid fixed-gear poseur bikes.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 11:49 AM

arcade fire sux

Posted by vipster | June 1, 2007 11:50 AM

like i've said before .. It's funny how hipsters call other hipsters hipsters hehe .. it's like a donkey making fun of another donkey cause he has big ears

Posted by das spiegel | June 1, 2007 11:58 AM

Four of the "eight proven strategies to get you in" have worked for me (before I read them there). At least there's something moderately useful in TONY.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 12:00 PM

oh man timeout is so over dont they know williamsburg is the center over the universe.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 12:01 PM

oh man timeout is so over dont they know williamsburg is the center over the universe.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 12:02 PM

I'm already dressing like a mainstream hipster in an ironic way.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 12:08 PM

A GEICO ad campaign is representative of hipster trappings?

Posted by will | June 1, 2007 12:09 PM

After a lot of years of blog bliss I will assume this tony article will officially "blow up the spot" thanks BV for helping feed my live music addiction and for introducing me to new music as well. I hope with notoriety comes some cash, you work hard for us and deserve it. as for all the newbies please take the "your band and musical taste suck" posts back to stereogum. I owe you a drink or 6 BV perhaps a pair of sneakers too(vegan of course)

Posted by thanks BV | June 1, 2007 12:11 PM

let's revisit this one: "a crappy neighborhood like Bushwick where they can't annoy anyone except themselves and meaningless locals"

Do the residents of Bushwick know that they are meaningless? Where do you live, asshole?

Posted by Nelson | June 1, 2007 12:16 PM

There's no way to prove yourself as a magazine then by making a huge blanket generalization of everyone under 35.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 12:18 PM

what bothers me is that a word that is defined as "someone that is cool" has a negative connotation for a lot of people.

anyways, my favorite part of the article.

"It proliferates as a social plague among hipsters who invite their entire address book to readings, shows and art openings. The e-mails arrive, and though it is known in advance that the art will be nothing much,the trek is made. The avant-garde illusion ultimately sustains itself on free beer."

i laughed so hard when i read that. thats the most accurate thing in the entire article.

and for everybody else, don't take time out new york too seriously. anyone that has to read it to know whats cool in this city isn't really hip and is exactly the kind of yuppy pseudo-hipster wannabe that theyre talking about.

Posted by Bart | June 1, 2007 12:22 PM

"I'm already dressing like a mainstream hipster in an ironic way."


To that poster:

I love you.

Posted by anonymous | June 1, 2007 12:30 PM

I agree with Bart.
I don't like people who are bitchy to others about their taste in music, books, or whatever, but this article makes it seem like caring at all about these things makes you a contempt-worthy hipster.

Posted by Amy | June 1, 2007 12:46 PM

This obviously was put together by a group of people over the age of say.. 35.. who need to to make themselves feel better about that fact that.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 12:48 PM

First they came for the hippies and I said nothing, because I was not a hippie...

Posted by jameswoods | June 1, 2007 12:53 PM

"hello, my name is john, i am a wannabe hipster. i've been a wannabe hipster for three years. i want to stop. i hope you all can help."

"hello john, welcome to the group..."

is it "OK" to be a hipster? or are we only worried about "wannabe hipsters"?

Posted by hipster73 | June 1, 2007 1:23 PM

Thanks for spreading reactive, poorly written, over-generalizing, logically flawed claptrap disguised as journalism.

Posted by John | June 1, 2007 1:59 PM

"Name that hipster: The train that cuts across the greatest swath of hipsterdom is not the L—God, that's so two years ago—it's the G. See if you can match these swingin' youth to the stop where we caught them."

i take the g train. it sucks, anyone that thinks it is hip is a major moron. worst train ever.

Posted by Kelli | June 1, 2007 2:02 PM

I think a defining feature of hipsters is that they make fun of other people for being hipsters.

Posted by Lee | June 1, 2007 2:10 PM

"it's like a donkey making fun of another donkey cause he has big ears"

Exactly.

Hipster is such a broad blanketed term that NO ONE will admit to falling under, yet we banish the person next to us. Hence the reason for this article. Most likely the best selling issue in a long time.

I hate to say it, but if you are 13-45 and live in a fun area of New York, you may fit any qualities that would place you in the Hipster category.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 2:17 PM

i love how in part of their "hipster detox" they say that you should substitute deodorant for Axe. now that's cool.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 2:19 PM

ANON 12:01 - Brilliant. One of my favourite comments this past month.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 2:39 PM

New York hipsters are today's frat boys

Posted by DB | June 1, 2007 2:41 PM

today's hipsters are yesterday's frat boys

Posted by DB | June 1, 2007 2:41 PM

As a Brooklyn resident who the last two years went upstate to the infamous SUNY Purchase college, I gotta say, the problem is the smug elitism and irony, and nothing else. When people write articles about "subcultures" bitching, you can really only take to heart behavioral criticisms....everything else is just someone's diversion from the banality of life. Let people look like retards. I sure have fun looking at lastnightsparty.com and laughing at the surreally delusional coked out assholes.

http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com/2007/03/deadening-effects-of-ironic-indie.html
Pretty succinctly discussed on here.

However, I have huge issues with the gentrification pushing out people in this city when Manhattan is already off limits to the lower middle class unless you live in the projects. This is class based, and it seems that a lot of people could afford to move elsewhere. Example: Most of Bed-Stuy's been nice for 15 years or so, without any movement or "influx of development". But the proximity line to Williamsburg is being crossed, and it's shit that, to me, it seems a lot of people who could be living in Park Slope, Fort Greene, or Williamsburg (i.e., with FUCKING MONEY) are inadvertently forcing out people to the Bronx and etc. It seems to connect because these same people with wealth seems to be the people convinced they're living a NYC art lifestyle. People who fawn over "Downtown '81" and feel as though they should do that. A general rule of society is that art exists out of a surplus and out of a steady, productive people. America is not that right now, NYC is not that right now, and frankly, a lot less people should be bothering to do art (especially music)

I'm honestly, sorry for bringing that up, but I feel it relates.

It's not as if you can't avoid some people. What's become indie culture the last 6 or 7 years itself is fucking disgusting, but you're not bombarded with it. There's lots of useless self-aggrandizing going on with hardcore kids/scene culture/teenagers and mainstream hip-hop kids and etc. It doesn't fit neatly into "fuck hipsters", because I know at least one cool hipster, my roommate from 2nd semester, Freshman year.

Things filter off, people move on, people age and realize how much of an asshole they were. The article's entertaining, but its about finding people that aren't wastes of life, and that itself is a minority.

Also, Brooklyn Vegan is my one-stop shop for band info (unless it's metal or hip-hop, then this shit is useless)!

Posted by Chris | June 1, 2007 2:46 PM

chris, you have way too much time on yr hands.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 2:54 PM

I think Chris has something besides time on — I mean, in — his hands.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 3:20 PM

New York hipsters are today's frat boys

Posted by DB | June 1, 2007 2:41 PM

today's hipsters are yesterday's frat boys

Posted by DB | June 1, 2007 2:41 PM

you ain't fuckin' kiddin' DB.

and their girls smell like tube socks

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 3:30 PM

you people are clueless. "hipsters" fighting online is like people pretending to be in gangs online. if you do ANYTHING intentionally to be a "hipster" you ARE NOT ONE. this term has been created to rid you of your (parents') funds. move back to wisconsin and be fake there.

Posted by ko | June 1, 2007 3:37 PM

Joey's hip article was great btw. I have a good story about getting a job at MSG just so I could see Wrestlemania 20 for free--it totally worked.

Posted by Nate | June 1, 2007 3:44 PM

This shit's all Marketing 101. Time Out is trying to get the attention of the "Influencal set". If you can reach the most fickle, least predictable group, you can reach anybody. How many people of the Brooklyn Vegan variety really read Time Out? How many more people will read this issue because of the article?

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All of this reminds me of when I was a kid, my mom would tell me not to listen to the bullies calling me names. It only encourages them.

Posted by Jay | June 1, 2007 3:50 PM

i got mugged while waiting for the g train a few weeks ago. i was drunk

Posted by tim | June 1, 2007 4:20 PM

Just took the quiz:
"I shop at Urban Outfitters and like the Cure.
You have some sense of style and decent musical appreciation, but there are some glaring holes in your hipster resume. Don't worry. In this case holes in your resume are a positive thing, because it is a job that you probably don't want."

Yeah, hipsters are scum.

Posted by Bort | June 1, 2007 4:46 PM

hey KO why blow your sister's new plant when you can just buy your own? Being "hip" is natural right?

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 4:48 PM

Anon 1149 said "they are finally getting kicked out" of brooklyn. where are they being kicked to?

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 6:34 PM

Anyone that considers themself a hipster is an asshole.

Yeah. I'm talking to you, asshole.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 6:49 PM

if there's no mention of BV in the sweet hipster category, then clearly tony has no idea what its talking about

but seriously, i thought the whole anti-hipster b.s. got played out 5 years ago? do these guys really think this warrants discussion, or is it just another grab for eyeballs like president jokes and Paris Hilton's crotch shots?

Posted by su | June 1, 2007 7:56 PM

If you are this deep into the comments section on Brooklyn Vegan, you are undeniably a hipster.

What's up with the ultra-self-conscious and guilty identity of New York's 20- and 30-somethings? Why can't people just be?

Posted by James | June 1, 2007 8:00 PM

You're all white.

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 8:14 PM

"If you are this deep into the comments section on Brooklyn Vegan, you are undeniably a hipster."

hahaha thats so true

Posted by Anonymous | June 1, 2007 8:43 PM

as the arcade was burning down i said 'kiss me you're beautiful---these truly are the last days.'

(lacking natural affection while survival is your god is one great signpost)

Posted by TimedEnd | June 2, 2007 2:19 AM

The author of this article is clearly a Hipster. Every sentence was over constructed, while attempting to be qoutable.

Posted by Matt S. | June 2, 2007 11:10 AM

greenpoint the new "cool" neighborhood?

what are we in kindergarten?
i don't this "cool" shit.
i was born and raised in williamsburg and have been expulsed from the only home i've ever known because of the ever growing rent and severe gentrification that has happened in the last 10 years or so.
and i've always walked around greenpoint and all the surrounding neighborhoods and it all just seems like people are attaching labels to towns like they're clothing accesories or some shit.
it's ridiculous.

strange things are happening in this world.
humans, in power, are evolving backwards now.
scary shit.

Posted by Anonymous | June 4, 2007 2:24 PM

I live in park slope in an expensive apartment because its so ironic.

durrrrrr

Posted by nick | June 4, 2007 8:58 PM

I commented on this on my blog from the position of someone a little younger than these hipsters running rampant

Posted by jc | June 6, 2007 5:44 PM

we need to establish some things right now...


a person who makes fun of a hipster who looks like a hipster but doesnt reach some qualifications isn't a hipster they are just smart mother fuckers who happen to be into the latest trends or just insiders who find this shit funny as fuck...


i was born on south 1st in what use to be an all hispanic/jew(barely) community, now that shit is engulfed with trust fund babies who use to live in
Montana and any other west bubbafuck places and now decided to move to New York to become friends with american apparel wearing douche bags who drink little to much....

im not saying dont move to new york cause im a real new york its offensive....


im only saying half of that


it's just a little ridic how some communities are being torn apart and how suburban fucks heads are now moving into the ghettos of bedstuy and bushwick...


and it

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 8:03 PM

"A general rule of society is that art exists out of a surplus and out of a steady, productive people. America is not that right now, NYC is not that right now, and frankly, a lot less people should be bothering to do art (especially music)"
Yeah. Damn those decadent, degenerate artists.

The US hasn't made much apart from weapons and software since the 80s. The "surplus" since then has mostly been an illusion created by freaky financial instruments. And that has been controlled by a few large institutions-- the patrons of art in America, the advertisers. It wouldn't do for art to say anything that wasn't obvious to anyone with a bit of time on their hands (political commentary), banal (gratuitous offense, "memes") or officially approved (advertising copy). Also, by definition, most people aren't talented. So it's not a wonder if art is often poor.

Posted by me | December 27, 2008 9:46 PM

This TimeOut person stole from this Adbuster guy:

http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html

Posted by Reese | March 15, 2009 7:34 PM

"This TimeOut person stole from this Adbuster guy:"

The TO article was written in 2007, so it's the other way around.

Posted by Anonymous | March 15, 2009 7:43 PM

who cares? they both suck

Posted by Anonymous | March 15, 2009 8:00 PM

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