Posted in music on July 19, 2007

outside the Boredoms

They sent me this:

Hello,

We apologize to anyone who had trouble getting into the Boredoms 77 Boadrum show on July 7th. To avoid any such problems at the July 29th Pool Party featuring TV on the Radio, Celebration and Miles Benjamin Anthony Robinson we will be doing things differently. JELLYNYC and GOING.COM, who have maintained the RSVP list for four very crowded and successful POoL PARTIES shows together so far this year, will continue to be in charge of RSVP list for POoL PARTIES for the remainder of the series (including this SUNDAY'S BAND OF HORSES / ANNUALS / OXFORD COLLAPSE show).

To eliminate any potential confusion, this is how the system will work for the TV On The Radio show on July 29:

Continued below....

--The first 3000 people to RSVP through our site at newyork.going.com/poolpartiesjuly29 will be guaranteed entry for this event.

--We will be running the front gate on our regular first come first, first in basis throughout the day.

--There will be two separate lines:
-----one for those that have RSVPed through newyork.going.com/poolpartiesjuly29.
-----one for general admission

--As we near capacity we will let a point on line know that they are either definitely getting in or that they will become the start of the one in, one out entry system.

--Because of the expected size of the crowd there will be no line skipping re-entry at this event.

If there are any further confusions regarding the RSVP or entry for this or any of the JELLYNYC Pool Parties please get in touch through info@jellynyc.com.

Thank You,

JELLYNYC

My question to JellyNYC (which I will try and get answered) is: How can you guarantee entry to all 3000 people who RSVP without a time limit? I would imagine you need to make a cut off time, or else you have to leave space in the venue right up to the end for the potential 1000 people who RSVP'd, but never show up, but could at any time.... What do you think?

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Comments (170)

Translation: our sponsors need a bigger mailing list. We need more names to sell.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:51 AM

RSVP list of 3000 people. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

And they call that an apology? Not enough.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:53 AM

Shouldn't they just die of AIDs?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:58 AM

If your a production company, shouldn't your top priority be "letting people in" as opposed to "nike"?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:00 PM

are they going to limit the RSVP list to 3000 people or let 45000 RSVP again?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:04 PM

"And they call that an apology? Not enough"

Why do they need to apologize? The shows are free. They don't owe anyone anything.They do a great job at the Pool Parties. If you really want to get in, show up early.

Posted by jjazznola | July 19, 2007 12:06 PM

so if i RSVP'd, does that mean I'm actually getting in? or is this whole thing just a new form of concert-failure?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:06 PM

anybody know what time TVOTR is supposed to get on?

doors (gates) are at 2pm right?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:07 PM

"Why do they need to apologize? The shows are free. They don't owe anyone anything.They do a great job at the Pool Parties. If you really want to get in, show up early."

Agreed.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:13 PM

yea, give them a break here...they are putting together free shows in williamsburg with bands that everyone in that neighborhood drool over. they are trying their best to make it work

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:13 PM

I smell disaster.

There is no need to RSVP. Whoever shows up first gets in. It is that simple. The Boredoms show failed because they did not cap the RSVPs. If it was first-come/first-served, then people would not have been mad after waiting for hours despite RSVPing.

Going.com was used as the RSVP system for the Courtney Love show. Yet another failure. In the meantime, going.com is getting lots of pageviews and user signups. JellyNYC is getting a good kickback, no doubt.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:13 PM

"so if i RSVP'd, does that mean I'm actually getting in?"

if jellynyc is involved, then the rsvp has no merit

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:17 PM

wow, if i do something for free i can fuck up all i want and never have to apologise? AWESOME.

Posted by chris | July 19, 2007 12:22 PM

"Shouldn't they just die of AIDs?"

i heard one of them has aids

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:23 PM

how do I know if I'm one of the first 3000?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:35 PM

All your dreams are over now.

Posted by dave | July 19, 2007 12:37 PM

This is the exact same plan. I honestly don't see how it is any different besides their promise to "do things differently". Good luck doing things differently when you work off the same basic idea!

Posted by b | July 19, 2007 12:38 PM

I had eggs for breakfast.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:48 PM

i was the 15th person to RSVP

woo hoo

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:48 PM

What are you having for lunch?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:49 PM

people... seriously, quit yer bitching. just rsvp and get there somewhat early. play dodgeball, slip n slide, drink beer and talk to your friends til whoever you want to see starts playing. this is a free community service. no one owes you anything. chances are you'll get in if you do it right. i read the Boredoms RSVP email response and i left home in time to get in line at 2:30, and I got in... just like that... no problem.

quit acting like a bunch of little shits, and be grateful. otherwise, might i suggest throwing your own events (and of course funding it out of your own pocket, since clearly Helio's presence is on par with that of the Devil)

Posted by joe | July 19, 2007 12:52 PM

Your Dad with a salad.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:54 PM

"clearly Helio's presence is on par with that of the Devil"

I heard one of the Helios does have the Devil.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 12:56 PM

"...or else you have to leave space in the venue right up to the end for the potential 1000 people who RSVP'd, but never show up, but could at any time...."

I'm with you on this one, BV. I RSVP'd to be safe, but as with the previous McPool shows, I plan on walking in through the normal people door if I get there early and the line's short. Who put this whole RSVP bullshit in their heads to begin with? The first come, first served system worked just fine last year. Fuck gone.com. JellyNYC is losing their cool.

Posted by anarchy, baby | July 19, 2007 1:15 PM

this is so funny, bv- good question. now they are probably going "why didnt we think of that?" what about the fact same people rsvp multiple times? Most people I know rsvpd to boredoms 2 or 3 times at least since the confirmation system was so fucked. also how about giving them fake e-mails to reduce attendance. I mean someone could easily do 10 different rsvps giving fake e-mails or emails of people who have no intention of actually going. this whole system is a disaster.

Posted by nyc noise fan | July 19, 2007 1:20 PM

twats

Posted by bob | July 19, 2007 1:27 PM

I like salad.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 1:33 PM

i bought peach jelly the other day, and its not as good as it sounds like it'd be.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 1:49 PM

I assure you, this is going.com to be different.

Posted by brian@going.com | July 19, 2007 1:58 PM

I have been to a couple of these free shows. I have RSVPed for both and I've never been asked my name at the entrance.

Posted by Eduardo | July 19, 2007 1:58 PM

Does RSVP go well with poultry?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 2:09 PM

I loved the pool parties before they became some huge hipster clusterfuck.

Posted by Kitten | July 19, 2007 2:37 PM

"Why do they need to apologize? The shows are free. They don't owe anyone anything...."

Do you think that they put on these free shows out of the sheer goodness of their hearts? C'mon, wake up and grow up. Nothing is really free for no other purpose than to be altruistic.

organizations and companies present free shows for public goodwill and to promote things. There are corporate sponsors inside the venue with banners and samples and mailing lists etc. Jelly NYC itself promotes itself with these shows. If their customer base is unhappy with how they are handling things, it reflects badly on them, and therefore it beciomes bad for business. Just because there is no money exchanging hands at the gate between fans and the door people doesn't mean that lots of money doesn't play into these free shows before, during and after the event. This is America. Free presentations are all about promotion and business and money. This isn't your friends playing for you in your backyard for free. So if they want to promote themselves, create goodwill and then in turn create potential business for their sponsors who are in business to make money and gain customers, then yes, they do owe people something... and that is a truthful method of dealing with public and a professional and intelligent way of dealing with large scale events when the demand far outweighs the supply. they are in business of promotion, so they owe their customer base a hassle and annoyance free and honest experience as best as they can provide under the circumstances, This was not done at the Boredoms, let's see if they can change.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 2:41 PM

Stop with the stupid RSVP garbage already. Just keep these things what they are first come first serve. The RSVP lists haven't meant a thing at any of these pool parties. How many times do they need to collect the same hipster email addresses anyway? It's the same people going to all of these things n Brooklyn anyway. They have everyone's email already.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 2:45 PM

ten bucks says Danny Masterson shows up at this thing without rsvp'ing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 2:45 PM

Why not give out wristbands or tickets earlier, like a day or so before the event, so comes show time, you either have a ticket or you don't.

The best way to deal with large crowds for free showes is to treat them as real shows, just without charging people for their ticket, but give them one.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 2:48 PM

--There will be two separate lines:
-----one for those that have RSVPed through newyork.going.com/poolpartiesjuly29.
-----one for general admission

Wrong. There will be three lines:
the two mentioned above and just like the Boredoms show, a huge line of VIPs. It's the jellyNYC way!

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 2:50 PM

If I come covered in jelly, will I be guaranteed admittance?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 2:59 PM

How do you guarantee 3000 people admittance based on a flawed rsvp system, and then also have a GA line for first come first enter at the smae time?

They are already setting this up to be far more complicated thatn it needs to be.

Just pick one... is it going to be RSVP only with a stand by line, or first come only without an rsvp?

Leave it to the unprofessionals to concoct an even messier system than the previous one that didn't work for them.

Losers.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 3:04 PM

Agreed. why are they making this so complicated?

Eithe RSVP or first come, not both. That's jsut creating confusion.

If there is an RSVP then why a first come admitance policy, and if there is a first come policy than why bnother to have RSVP's? If you have a large crowd that ecceeds the capacity and you have the two systems at the same time then you are right back where you started from with theBoredoms fiasco, and they haven't learned a thing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 3:07 PM

If you come covered in Jelly I guarantee you wont be
standing next to me.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 3:08 PM

"JELLYNYC and GOING.COM, who have maintained the RSVP list for four very crowded and successful POoL PARTIES shows together so far this year..."

It's funny that they act like they actually did something by giving people the option to sign up for a list that wasn't used.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 3:12 PM

JellyNYC gets a payout from Going.com for letting them handle the email list - Going.com then sells those addresses to marketers, aka spammers.

They is not any logistical reason for the RSVP system - they -only- reason that JellyNYC uses it is to get the cash from selling your email addresses.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 3:22 PM

At the brooklyn bridge show, yt took jelly 4 hours to process 3000 people WITHOUT checking for names. Know they want to allow the same number of people in, but check for names this time? Not going to happen.

Just like the Boredoms: it will be first come first served. Going.com now has your e-mail address.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 3:23 PM

you guys have it easy.. just show up early!

I went to a Chromeo show in Montreal a few nights ago and had bought my ticket in advance, hoping to get in early! Nope! i waited 2 hours in a line with people who had or had not boughten tickets! At least you guys get to wait in a line, knowing that the show is free regardless if you get in or not. If i leave the line, I loose ten bucks + service charges + canadian tax.

anyways, i got into the show around 1 pm and missed only 1 chromeo song and saw flosstradamous and the show ruled.

Posted by mike | July 19, 2007 3:43 PM

Some of you seem to think your e-mail addresses are really valuable.

Posted by Devin | July 19, 2007 3:51 PM

some promotors seem to think so too.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 3:58 PM

hey the wahmbulance is one the way. you all just hang tight...

god i hate fucking nyc sometimes...

Posted by roedood | July 19, 2007 4:07 PM

"Some of you seem to think your e-mail addresses are really valuable."

Going.com has an ad-based revenue stream. The number of registered users and the number of pageviews dictates the amount they can charge their advertisers. For each new user that signs up thinking their RSVP will get them into a free concert (it will not, look at what happened with Courtney Love and the Boredoms), going.com creates more revenue. Going.com doesn't even need to fulfill it's promise of a free show. It has more users and it generated more pageviews. It's a win/win for them. And if you complain, it will remind you of some legal fine-print saying it's not their fault.

Going.com is a sponsor of the mccarren shows, so of course they want to profit. Jellynyc needs them and their money, so they will do everything possible for going.com to increase their user base and make them happy.

There will be no RSVP line, just like the other mccarren shows. You can't check 3000 IDs.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:07 PM

that is Going.com's business model.

so, yeah, stealing our email addresses is lucrative, apparently. Lucrative enough that Going.com can afford to provide sound equipment and free booze and occasionally cash to promoters who use them for RSVP lists.

You can be as skeptical as you want, but Going.com exists to sell email address lists to marketing companies, and apparently it's working out for them financially.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:10 PM

you people need to find something new to complain about...

for a great free show, i really don't care if going.com sells my email address. there's this wonderful invention called the "delete" button that's perfect for unwanted emails.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:14 PM

so basically Jelly NYC uses the guise of an apology to lie to everyone some more.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:19 PM

I really don't care if they sell my email address either, as long as I get into their show after wating for hours. If not, then they get what they want out of me and I don't get what I want from them, and then I'm pissed that they have my email address, especially when they aren't honest about it.

If you give them your email address, then they give you a show. fair transaction.

If I don't get in, then give me back my email address and don't sell it.

Give me my free entertainment as promised if you are going to profit off of me.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:27 PM

Word on the street is that Jelly is going out with a bang at the end of the year.... the final show on Sept 31st will be Courtney Love backed by the Boredoms surrounded by 99 guitarists playing a three hour version of Doll Parts for free with RSVP AND first come first serve in the second portasan from the right inside the pool.

Get there early.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:31 PM

"Why do they need to apologize? The shows are free. They don't owe anyone anything.They do a great job at the Pool Parties. If you really want to get in, show up early"

Well said. It seems like NY Hipster = whining bitch! Stop complaining over something that is free! Get to the shows early instead of taking hours to make sure your messy hair and clothes look just right! I for one would like to thank JELLYNYC for all the great shows they put on.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:36 PM

"Give me my free entertainment as promised if you are going to profit off of me."

IANAL

Going.com has no legal obligation to provide you with anything. You can RSVP all you want, but going.com doesn't have to give what it promised. Going.com can prevent you from attending an event, but an RSVP does not constitute a guaranteed entrance.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:36 PM

just checked the jellynyc website...lineup change for the august 19 show...ghostland observatory will now be opening for mozart...

capacity is 150...doors will be first-come-first-served, or you can rsvp by selling your soul to the devil...just paint a pentagram in goat's blood on the floor of your bedroom and wait...if the lord of darkness appears, your rsvp has been accepted...lucky you!

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:42 PM

joe (12:52), telling us you got there at 2:30 and got in for a show that didn't start til 7 isn't exactly filling me with encouragement for this system.

what incentive does jellyNYC have to correct things? they will get their email address no matter what, does it really matter to them if those same people are the ones who get in?

Posted by Jimmy Legs | July 19, 2007 4:48 PM

"Well said. It seems like NY Hipster = whining bitch! Stop complaining over something that is free! Get to the shows early instead of taking hours to make sure your messy hair and clothes look just right! I for one would like to thank JELLYNYC for all the great shows they put on."

Thanks for the advice, JellyNYC!

similarly, how about we all just thank Network Televison for all the quality FREE programing they provide to us everyday. NBC and ABC and CBS are really doing us all a great service, broadcasting endless superb entertainment at NO CHARGE.

Anyone who would stoop so low as to COMPLAIN about the quality of the shows these fine, altruistic companies make for our enjoyment, to have the nerve to CRITICIZE the way they run things - why you'd have to be just a "whining bitch" to not bend over and take it up the ass from network tv - and the same goes for JellyNYC.

How dare you point out their obvious organizational foibles and ham-fisted sponsorship sell outs? They're giving you something for free! Don't you know that that means that they are the most infallible organization that has ever existed?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:53 PM

Going.com has no legal obligation to provide you with anything. You can RSVP all you want, but going.com doesn't have to give what it promised. Going.com can prevent you from attending an event, but an RSVP does not constitute a guaranteed entrance.

you missed my point. I agree that the RSVP does not guarantee entrance, but they are not even honoring the rsvp's at all. It is a dishonest sham. If they take the RSVP's and actually honor them by checking them and I don't get in, I would have no problem with that. But they are misleading the public by falsely giving the impression that your rsvp means anything towards getting into the event, when it only means that you are giving them something for free that they are going to sell. The RSVp isn't used as an RSVP. If this is not a technically illegal business practic, it certainly is a morally bankrupt one.

If Going.com just said they were collecting email addresses to sell, they wouldn't get many people to offer up theirs. But by making a false impression that you are RSVP'ing to an in demand event when in reality all you are doing is giving them your information for another purpose is wrong.

They don't have an obligation to guarantee you entry into anything that's free, but they have an obligation to be honest.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 4:56 PM

the prevailing voice of the few pro-Jelly NYC posters seems to be: rule of thumb for everything always:
If it's free don't ever complain.

I wish these things would all be five bucks instead of free, then all the people that blindly go to all this free crap would stay home, and only the people who really want to see this stuff would go.

I don't care if it's free or not, if it's going to be the biggest hassle in the world, then just charge something and weed out all the cheap ass people who create these large crowds for events like these which ordinarily wwouldn't be such a big deal if there was a small cost involved.

It's likethe stupid freaking free cone days at Ben and Jerry's. There's never a freaking line ever for an ice cream cone on a normal day if you want to spend three bucks on one. the day of free cone day, there's an hour and a half wait and a line around the block to save three freaking bucks. If you wanted to just BUY a cone that day, you'd be screwed.

Stop this free shit and just charge a couple of bucks. Twwo, three whatever, just to cut down on the massive crowds that show up of cheap people.


Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 5:03 PM

I'm going to be out of town for this TVOTR show, which I was bummed about when it was first announced. Now? Not so much.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 5:08 PM

yeah, I agree. If the 77 drums thing was five bucks, I doubt the line would have been that long. If it were ten bucks everyone would have gotten in.

I know some people don't have that much money and a lot of time on their hands but wouldn't you rather pay a little somthing and go right in, then wait for hours and hours (and still not get in) because it's free?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 5:08 PM

"Well said. It seems like NY Hipster = whining bitch! Stop complaining over something that is free! Get to the shows early instead of taking hours to make sure your messy hair and clothes look just right! I for one would like to thank JELLYNYC for all the great shows they put on."

Thanks for the advice, JellyNYC!

similarly, how about we all just thank Network Televison for all the quality FREE programing they provide to us everyday. NBC and ABC and CBS are really doing us all a great service, broadcasting endless superb entertainment at NO CHARGE.

Anyone who would stoop so low as to COMPLAIN about the quality of the shows these fine, altruistic companies make for our enjoyment, to have the nerve to CRITICIZE the way they run things - why you'd have to be just a "whining bitch" to not bend over and take it up the ass from network tv - and the same goes for JellyNYC.

How dare you point out their obvious organizational foibles and ham-fisted sponsorship sell outs? They're giving you something for free! Don't you know that that means that they are the most infallible organization that has ever existed?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 5:09 PM

What they should really do is create a small amount of tickets for these free events that cost something and those guarantee you admission. Everyone else (the majority) takes their chances with first come. That way a limited number of people who really want in but do not have all day to waste can guarantee entry with a small surcharge.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 5:11 PM

What they really should do is keep their shows free, but pay staff and run the show professionally, like dozens of other promoters manage to do all over town every day.

the problem is that these guys are inept, not that free shows are inherently a mess.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 5:17 PM

the problem is not too many people coming to free shows, the problem is a complacent, untrustworthy, cheap, disorganized promotion company organizing the whole thing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 5:20 PM

"What they should really do is create a small amount of tickets for these free events that cost something and those guarantee you admission. Everyone else (the majority) takes their chances with first come. That way a limited number of people who really want in but do not have all day to waste can guarantee entry with a small surcharge."


thats how they justify 'golden circle' tickets that cost thousands.

Posted by sammy | July 19, 2007 5:47 PM

"thats how they justify 'golden circle' tickets that cost thousands."

um, yeah because the slacker twenty something hipster audience is really gonna shell out thousands to see something at the pool. I'm suggesting two, three, four, five bucks. Gimme a break.

The golden cicle tickets do not cost thousands, they cost hundreds, and that is compared to the regular tickets which although much less, are also at least a hundred to begin with.

Bad comparison.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 5:56 PM

You people have got to be kidding.

What has gone so horribly wrong at the pool parties to merit this type of discussion?


The shows are free. Jelly doesn't make any money for themselves, and they put in a lot of work to get the sponsorships to allow you to see these concerts at no cost to you. Sure, life we would be better without corporate sponsors, but then you'd be buying a ticket every sunday (ie live-nation)instead of just showing up or rsvping...really, what is the big deal?

I know the boredoms things got screwed up, but has anyone been turned away from a show at the pool to date? Does anyone even know anyone that's been turned away?

To the genius who wants to "create a small amount of tickets for these free events", why do you want to pay for something that is being given to you? Just RSVP AND GET THERE EARLY, problem solved.If you're so frustrated by the whole thing, than go do something else on sunday you fucking crybabies, you won't be missed.

And oh, to the "dying of AIDS" poster, you're an idiot. What makes you think it's allright to talk about people like that? Idiot.

Posted by stop whining | July 19, 2007 6:02 PM

"Jelly doesn't make any money for themselves"

this is not true.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 6:29 PM

it seems that a good half the people commenting still believe in santa and just started going to shows last week. since when has rsvp'ing ever meant shit? and especially when the douches at vice are involved as with the boredoms.

nyc is for better or worse full of people that all want to go to the same shows. if you really want to get into a free show get there really early.

actually dont. i dont want to fucking wait in line with brats like you.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 6:30 PM

"'Jelly doesn't make any money for themselves'

this is not true."


even so, who gives a shit?

You're not paying them are you?

Fuckin mountain out of a molehill over here...

Posted by anonymous | July 19, 2007 6:35 PM

"um, yeah because the slacker twenty something hipster audience is really gonna shell out thousands to see something at the pool. I'm suggesting two, three, four, five bucks. Gimme a break.

The golden cicle tickets do not cost thousands, they cost hundreds, and that is compared to the regular tickets which although much less, are also at least a hundred to begin with.

Bad comparison."

i meant the mindset you have is the same. it's exclusionary.

a limited amount of people who really want to see the police can go for about 2 grand, legit from ticketmaster

http://www.ticketmaster.com/auction/1D003E48EC3BE1E7/1/

http://www.ticketmaster.com/auction/1D003E48EC3BE1E7/3/

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 6:42 PM

hey - what is so hard for you JellyNYC people to understand?

We are savvy enough to know the difference between people who organize shows well and people who do a crappy job.

The network TV analogy is perfect - just because what you do is "free" doesn't mean that we have to put up with you doing a shitty, audience insulting job of it.

You guys have the *privilege* of being able to work with bands the size that you do. These bands would still be playing NYC this summer if you weren't involved. Many of them would still be playing free shows.

You'd better clean up your act, stop lying about your profit margin, stop insulting your audience, stop going for the money grab with every corporate sponsorship and partnership you can sign up for.

There are tasteful and tactful ways to get free events sponsored, and there are organized, fair ways to run the door logistics.

You've flubbed both.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 6:58 PM

oh snap!

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 7:08 PM

boycott jellynyc, poolparties, going.com, mccarren pool. they all suck. the next time i go to any of their events, they will have to PAY ME to attend. fuckers.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 7:40 PM

Funny how the rsvp for boredoms was at viceland.com? Maybe it was another entity that fucked up the Boredoms? One that is KNOWN for fucking up EVERY event they do?


Hmmm....

Posted by anon | July 19, 2007 8:43 PM

if i am ever standing in an area seriously referred to as "the golden circle" i sure as shit hope i'm on mushrooms

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 8:58 PM

they want people to rsvp cause they get a couple bucks for every head that does.

all about those dolla dolla bills y'all.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 9:01 PM

"Funny how the rsvp for boredoms was at viceland.com?"

yes, but the processing was actually handled by Going.com

the Viceland site was just a facade

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 9:10 PM

"Funny how the rsvp for boredoms was at viceland.com? Maybe it was another entity that fucked up the Boredoms? One that is KNOWN for fucking up EVERY event they do?"

You're on to something...

"they want people to rsvp cause they get a couple bucks for every head that does."

this in not accurate information.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 9:19 PM

JellyNYC's attitude can be summed up thusly: "I'm stupid, and you pointed it out - so you're stupid, too."

Posted by Crosseyed Sniper | July 19, 2007 9:24 PM

JellyNYC's attitude can be summed up thusly: "I'm stupid, and you pointed it out - so you're stupid, too."

what does this even mean?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 9:40 PM

guys, it's gonna be fine. you will be all right.

one time, at band camp, i didn't get into a show, and i totally thought i would die, and that the organizers were trying to kill me, or worse didn't even know who i was or that i stood in a line... but then i lived.

later i thought i had hidden my email address from all spammers, and then i got spam, but survived that too.

what free concerts, sponsor banners and inbound email don't kill you... make you stronger.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 10:02 PM

"Just RSVP AND GET THERE EARLY"

If someone RSVPs, we should they get there early? Why not just have no RSVPs and still show up early? Oh that's right, going.com will not get more users that way.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:09 PM

"JellyNYC's attitude can be summed up thusly: "I'm stupid, and you pointed it out - so you're stupid, too."

what does this even mean?"

That you're stupid?

Posted by G Spot Search and Recon | July 19, 2007 11:44 PM

going.com is perhaps worse than jellynyc. Read up the comments about the courtney love show:

http://newyork.going.com/courtneylove

A few people complained about going.com, and those posts were deleted.

jellynyc + going.com = terrible. This show is going to end up ugly

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:45 PM

"If someone RSVPs, we should they get there early? Why not just have no RSVPs and still show up early? "

Should have read "RSVP OR get there early".
I've never seen a bunch of people so scared of spam. It's not like yout identity is being stolen. If you're so nervous about it, than just get there early and you got yourself a non-issue.

For all you people that are so concerned about corporate sponsors...throw away those fuckin ipods and cellphones before you say shit about it. You're part of the problem and, deep down, you know it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:49 PM

"JellyNYC's attitude can be summed up thusly: "I'm stupid, and you pointed it out - so you're stupid, too."

what does this even mean?"

That you're stupid?"

So now I'm stupid, cause what you said doesn't make sense. Am I supposed to feel insulted? God, this is really getting ridiculous. If you don't like the shows, find an afternoon matinee, or go have a picnic or something. Just shut up about the pool already.

This is all a bunch of self-righteous, holier- than-though bullshit.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:54 PM

you know, one time I was a very lucky promotion company who caught a break and got an exclusive to organize free concerts on public property - and then I managed to talk a bunch of companies into sponsoring my concerts and giving me tons of money, some of which went to running the shows and most of which went right into my owners' pockets.

but then I fucked up and ran the shows with my head up my ass and an enourmas "go fuck yourself" attitude towards the fans. I ended up constantly embarrassing myself and the bands who worked with me and the sponsorship companies and the parks department with my incredible ineptitude and arrogance. Lots of people made formal complaints to the parks people and to the sponsors and to the bands' booking agencies and they pulled my money and my exclusive deal and I went out of business.

i totally thought i would die... but then i lived - luckily nobody ever entrusted me to organize a rock show again.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2007 11:56 PM

"you know, one time I was a very lucky promotion company who caught a break and got an exclusive to organize free concerts on public property - and then I managed to talk a bunch of companies into sponsoring my concerts and giving me tons of money, some of which went to running the shows and most of which went right into my owners' pockets.

but then I fucked up and ran the shows with my head up my ass and an enourmas "go fuck yourself" attitude towards the fans. I ended up constantly embarrassing myself and the bands who worked with me and the sponsorship companies and the parks department with my incredible ineptitude and arrogance. Lots of people made formal complaints to the parks people and to the sponsors and to the bands' booking agencies and they pulled my money and my exclusive deal and I went out of business.

i totally thought i would die... but then i lived - luckily nobody ever entrusted me to organize a rock show again."

everyone is really proud of you

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 12:03 AM

Bill Graham is rolling in his grave from this kind of stupidity.

That wasn't an apology, that was promotion for their upcoming shows......and their new door policy is basically the old policy, only now they admit they're going to take a meaningless RSVP list and pretend it's not meaningless, even though it really is meaningless.

This isn't a new door policy, this is the same door policy they introduced for Boredoms and Courtney that didn't work.

Either you make this an RSVP event or you make it a first come first serve event. Why bother doing both? You have a capacity. Take RSVP's up to capacity. If the RSVP list doesn't fill up, then take walk ups, to your capacity. It's not rocket science. Find a new sponsor and buy some RSVP software that works.

The point of promoting shows is to provide an entertaining experience for your AUDIENCE.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 12:08 AM


I'm confused...
Has anyone been turned away from the pool this summer?

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 12:25 AM

Yeah, has anyone been turned away from the pool? JellyNYC is a bunch of fucktards, we know this - but this is a completely different setting than the Boredoms show.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 12:37 AM

"So now I'm stupid, cause what you said doesn't make sense. Am I supposed to feel insulted? God, this is really getting ridiculous. If you don't like the shows, find an afternoon matinee, or go have a picnic or something. Just shut up about the pool already.

This is all a bunch of self-righteous, holier- than-though bullshit."

No one's talking about the pool, they're talking about the Boredoms debacle. And yes, you're terminally, irrevocably, inescapably stupid. A black hole of stupid from which no en(light)enment can escape.

Posted by G Spot Search and Recon | July 20, 2007 1:58 AM

No one is putting a gun to your head and telling you whiney little bitches to go to free shows! Stay home! Oh yeah, The Boredoms show was a blast!I didn't notice a debacle. I just saw a bunch of people who really wanted to see the show so they got up off their butts and got there early.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 2:28 AM


"No one's talking about the pool, they're talking about the Boredoms debacle. And yes, you're terminally, irrevocably, inescapably stupid. A black hole of stupid from which no en(light)enment can escape."

You win!!!
You're a genius!!!

If we all thought the way you do...

what an asshole.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 3:41 AM

— FALSE ASSUMPTION: Because JELLYNYC took the time to write an apology to brookylynvegan readers, they must be responsible for the RSVP fuck-up.

— FACT: VICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RSVP FUCK-UP yet VICE either: (A) Doesn’t read brooklynvegan (B) Is too chicken shitted to accept the blame (C) Doesn’t “care enough to send the very best”.

— PROOF: *See below

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— FALSE RUMOR: JELLYNYC managed the poorly managed 77Boadrum RSVP list.

— FACT: VICE was the sole and unequivocal manager of the poorly managed 77Boadrum RSVP list.

— PROOF: (A) As posted by VICE staffer Christian on Brooklynvegan July 6, 2007 12:41PM: “Well, there was no response that went out. If people RSVPed when the show was announced earlier this week, then they are on the list. The whole server, including viceland, is down due to a problem with our ISP. We are figuring it out and it should be up soon. Sorry - thanks, and the event is going to be loud and rad.

(B) As posted by brooklynvegan on June 25, 2007 2:00 PM: “Admission is free, but an RSVP is required. Full details, directions, and RSVP information will be available at www.viceland.com/77boadrum soon.”

(C) All RSVP replies arrived from Viceland Events.


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— ASININE REACTION: I don’t care who was responsible. The RSVP nightmare should never have occurred.

— FACT: Despite the event’s obvious appeal, I doubt that EITHER of the organizers expected a response of such magnitude (16,000+ RSVPS + over 8,000 line-waiting oglers for a small park with a capacity of 4,000). Hence though VICE royally fucked up and has no real excuse for its management practices, they were probably dumbfounded. As for the VIP list? Think about it. 77 musicians + crew + substantial press. As for those who were turned away who figured that surely the promoters could have stuffed in several hundred more sardines? Cattle call stampede + permit violations + one call to the authorities = cancelled show, all together.

— BONUS FACT: Going.com, (http://going.com/privacy_policy.php) clearly states: (A) “We will not send you unsolicited emails” (B) “We will not sell or give out your personal information“. Plus despite rants involving non-JELLYNYC related events, I personally know of no one who has been turned away from a Pool Party.

— PROOF: A couple of phone calls to the powers that be + common sense + believable +/- numbers + empirical experience.


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— FALSE RUMOR: JELLYNYC is an evil, money-grubbing, organization netting shitloads of extra cash from its corporate sponsors, whose intent is to both manipulate/take advantage of its audiences/volunteers and to hide its true profit margins for net personal gain.

— FACT: JELLYNYC’s staff??? You can count all 5 of them on one hand. All of whom put in 65+ hours per week for pennies. And several of whom work other jobs to make rent.

— PROOF: Stop by JELLYNYC’s “glamorous” Billyburg office at Metropolitan & Union M-F, Dolly Parton hours or beyond, and see for yourselves. Then request a steak dinner.


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— FALSE ASSUMPTION: If I wait in line long enough, I’ll get in.

— FACT: Dear superlatively intelligent brooklynvegan readers. NEITHER promoter guaranteed admission. Furthermore, when hoping to get into an amazing, one-of-a-kind free event on a beautiful summer day that is bound to attract the masses consider: (A) Showing up really fucking early (B) Avoiding inevitable long-lines by staying home (C) Eyeballing the event venue upon arrival. If it’s filling up quickly, cut your losses and go find some other way to enjoy the weather.

— PROOF: “Your name has been added to the RSVP list for the event. HOWEVER, the RSVP response has been overwhelming - which means that we CANNOT guarantee admission, except on a first come-first served basis. We cannot overstate this: Not everyone will be allowed in. “PLEASE BE PREPARED TO WAIT, OR TO BE TURNED AWAY”

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— FALSE ASSUMPTION: If he said she said he said she said, it must be true. Especially if I read it on a blog.

— FACT: Remember the game “Telephone”? You tell Mary Jane that “Dogface is in the banana patch” who tells Jack that “Dog face is in the band Patch” who tells Babette that” Dog feces is on the landing porch” and so on and so on and so on. Though nobody can remember where Mary got her info, anyhow.

----------------------------------------


— RUMOR: Whiny, complainy people will always find something to bitch about, whether a show costs $10, $5, $2 or nothing at all

— FACT: Whiny, complainy people will always find something to bitch about, whether a show costs $10, $5, $2 or nothing at all.

— PROOF: If you know how to scroll, you’re lookin’ at it.


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— FALSE ASSUMPTION: The writer of this epic response must work for JELLYNYC.

— FACT: Nope. I prefer a job that comes with health insurance and enough dough to live without roommates. Merely an insomniac reader with 90wpm typing skills who believes in Principle with a capital P, who is absolutely SICK of users on ALL internet forums who base their bitchings on viral assumptions rather than facts. Merely someone who thinks that it’s a disgusting shame that JELLY’s Pool Parties and its respective bands and volunteers and organizers are getting dragged into this 77Boadrum mess based on ONE sadly (VICE) botched albeit pretty phenomenal event, when the other MYRIADS of free events which JELLYNYC has produced since 2006 with a MINIMALLY INVASIVE amount of corporate decor (how in the hell do you think they keep the concerts free?), having previously had NO problems with crowd capacity, have been absolutely amazing and fun.

***Incidentally, anyone who wants to bitch about my posting, please write to ME at basilgirlnyc@yahoo.com. The 81 out 98 anonymous postings within this forum make we want to urp creamed corn. Just don’t send your gripes this Sunday. I’ll be selling my soul to a couple of Helio beach balls and Band of Horses.


Posted by Basil Miller | July 20, 2007 3:55 AM

"No one's talking about the pool, they're talking about the Boredoms debacle. And yes, you're terminally, irrevocably, inescapably stupid. A black hole of stupid from which no en(light)enment can escape."

You win!!!
You're a genius!!!

If we all thought the way you do...

what an asshole."

Translation: "I'm stupid, and you pointed it out - so you're stupid, too."

SLOW FADE

Posted by G Spot Search and Recon | July 20, 2007 5:00 AM

Not reading all that. Can we all please get back to jacking off over the new Avril Lavigne song now?

Posted by my cunny stinks | July 20, 2007 5:05 AM

I hate you all move back to where you came from and take your Arcade Fire CD's with you.

Stupid Indie Rock Hipster Douchebags.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 9:47 AM

"— FALSE ASSUMPTION: Because JELLYNYC took the time to write an apology to brookylynvegan readers, "

They really didn't apologize, all they said was "We apologize to anyone who had trouble getting into the Boredoms 77 Boadrum show on July 7th.". A really apology admits wrongdoing, which they failed to do so.

"— BONUS FACT: Going.com, (http://going.com/privacy_policy.php) clearly states: ...."

Have you read the previous comments? They are not spamming per se, but they increasing the number of registered users, pageviews and unique visitors, without having to fulfill any of their "promises".

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 10:09 AM

"How do you guarantee 3000 people admittance based on a flawed rsvp system, and then also have a GA line for first come first enter at the same time?"

Exactly.

But in fairness these shows are free, we just have to jump through a hoop or two to get there. Bargain.

Posted by Lamo | July 20, 2007 11:26 AM

> How do I delete my profile?
> Click here (service@going.com) and let us know you
> would like your account deleted.

After going to the TVOTR, simply ask going.com to delete your profile. Advertisers hate to see membership shrink. Teach going.com a lesson!

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 11:28 AM

~_*^^^^>>>~*«««"They really didn't apologize, all they said was "We apologize to anyone who had trouble getting into the Boredoms 77 Boadrum show on July 7th.". A really apology admits wrongdoing, which they failed to do so."~_*^^^^>>>~*«««

anonymous. do U know how to read? the long post made a good point. this was vices fault not jelly. vice should have made an apology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

— PROOF: (A) As posted by VICE staffer Christian on Brooklynvegan July 6, 2007 12:41PM: “Well, there was no response that went out. If people RSVPed when the show was announced earlier this week, then they are on the list. The whole server, including viceland, is down due to a problem with our ISP. We are figuring it out and it should be up soon. Sorry - thanks, and the event is going to be loud and rad.

(B) As posted by brooklynvegan on June 25, 2007 2:00 PM: “Admission is free, but an RSVP is required. Full details, directions, and RSVP information will be available at www.viceland.com/77boadrum soon.”

(C) All RSVP replies arrived from Viceland Events.


~_*^^^^>>>~*«««"Have you read the previous comments? They are not spamming per se, but they increasing the number of registered users, pageviews and unique visitors, without having to fulfill any of their "promises"."~_*^^^^>>>~*«««

i think the writer of the long letter is one of the only ones who know how to read. and what "promises" are u talking about? have u ever been told to go home after trying to get into da pool? and if u havnt been spammy or turned away from a pool show, then what are u complaning about?!!! so what if Going gets lots of page views and unique visitors if u get to see tv on the radio for nothing!!!!!!!


now go eat some nice yummy carrots!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 11:42 AM

If Vice did everything wrong, what exactly was Jelly's involvement with the Boredoms?

"u get to see tv on the radio for nothing"

That remains to be seen. I am not a TVOTR fan, so I will not be attending, but I would bet there will be someone that RSVP and will not get in.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 12:04 PM

"I hate you all move back to where you came from and take your Arcade Fire CD's with you. Stupid Indie Rock Hipster Douchebags."

JELLYNYC SHOWS THEIR LOVE & RESPECT FOR THEIR "PEOPLE", ONCE AGAIN...

really curious - which one of you over there in the JNYC office is the one with the temper?

he/she is doing WONDERS for your public relations!

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 12:16 PM

I think intelligent people can grasp a reality where BOTH JellyNYC -and- Vice fucked up at the Boredoms show.

That said - the trouble wasn't just RSVP list, it was poor staffing, bad logistics, and nobody effectively in charge of the operation.

40 door workers took 4 hours to armband 3000 people?? you JellyNYC guys are retarded.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 12:26 PM

for lunch i think i'll have vegan chicken strips with vegan cheese and vegan milk...oh and a salad.

people, it's a free show, just get there early.

Posted by dani deluna | July 20, 2007 1:37 PM

didnt tv on the radio play prospect park last year without any of this rsvp nonsense?

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2006/07/tv_on_the_radio_5.html

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 1:46 PM

people, it's show you're making a profit off of, just pay your workers and think through the system at the door.

otherwise it fucking sucks, free or not.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 1:46 PM

make it "first come, first served," like every other free outdoor show, and the problem goes away. People who don't get in understand it happened because they got there too late.

The RSVPs are not a solution to the problem, or even a response to a problem--they only benefit Going.com.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 1:57 PM

If Vice did everything wrong, what exactly was Jelly's involvement with the Boredoms?

good point

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 3:54 PM

Let's just get something here straight. If you read and comment on Brooklyn Vegan, your trendy and should not complain about other trendy people. It's like Reel Big Fish always said, "It's not so bad being trendy, everyone that looks like me is my friend".

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 7:09 PM

I like people saying "show up early". I worked at the Boredoms show and you earnestly needed to be there around 11am for a 4pm show to get in through general admission.

The blame IS in fact on Jelly NYC. I presume Jelly NYC didn't have server capacity for a huge nonsensical RSVP list so they just let Vice do it. Take note: concert promoter is Jelly NYC. Vice did not promote the show. When you promote a show, even if your doling out responsibilities, your still essentially responsible.

This is a pretty simple conclusion. RSVP lists are nonsensical. If an RSVP doesn't insure entry then it simply shouldn't be used.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2007 7:19 PM

TVOTR is shit band and I'm glad you whining assholes weren't at the boredoms, although I guess it would have been fun to laugh at you from the VIP area. Oh wait I did laugh at you, you just weren't in the venue to see it.

Posted by you guys | July 20, 2007 9:45 PM

a) JellyNYC didn't issue a proper apology, they did damage control in anticipation of promoting another popular show.

b) JellyNYC promoted the Boredoms and played a role which requires accountability. End. of. story.

c) The issues with the Boredoms show went far deeper then just the RSVP list, but JellyNYC has only chosen to address that one issue.

c) It doesn't matter if they work for one cent, they use public resources, and again are accountable.

Posted by Anonymous | July 22, 2007 4:23 PM

it's going to rain on sunday anyway.

Posted by Al Roker | July 26, 2007 3:11 PM

wow. that was intense. reading all that. someone history student 200 years from now is going to cite this thread in the thesis: "Hipsters: Douche Bags?"

my 2 cents: instead of making people do some retarded rsvp thing as a way of getting money and shaming them at the door for not doing it, why dont they just ask people for voluntary $3 and sort of give them a passive aggressive smile when they dont cought up, just like Celebrate Brooklyn.

Posted by Anonymous | July 26, 2007 3:37 PM

The Show is free, there should be no rsvp
Its called first come first serve

If it fills up then they can have a one person leave one person enter line

End of story

Anything else is elitist bs

Posted by Anonymous | July 27, 2007 2:57 PM

holy shit Nietzche would have a field day with you fucks! I mean, what would Schielle do folks? He'd ....

Posted by Anonymous | July 27, 2007 3:44 PM

has anyone tried sitting outside on the grass around the pool and listening to the show? how well does that work?

Posted by Anonymous | July 27, 2007 4:16 PM

TVOTR will go on between 5:55 and 6pm

Posted by max dembo | July 28, 2007 3:12 PM

I'm sure it won't be too much of a problem getting in. Band of Horses sold out 2 nights at webster hall and it was real easy getting in to see them last week. Biggest paid headline gig here for TVOTR was irving plaza last year. They also did free concert in prospect park but that was easy getting into as well. They opened for AIR at theatre at msg and tickets did not sell well, partly because of size and overprice. Also, the threat of rain will also keep people away.

Posted by Anonymous | July 28, 2007 5:45 PM

Don't worry, if jellynyc can find a way to mess things up, they will.

Posted by Anonymous | July 28, 2007 8:42 PM

There was a separate RSVP for the TV on the Radio show? I thought it all went under that one RSVP thing on going.com for ALL the pool parties?

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 11:01 AM

does anybody know the deal on rain/t-storms? has this happened yet? i don't mind the rain, i just don't wanna go if TVOTR isn't gonna p[lay

Posted by Sean MOney | July 29, 2007 12:04 PM

God damnit jelly NYC, I want a refund!!!

Oh wait, it was FREEEEEEE. Fuck tards

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 12:16 PM

it's storming out, there's gonna be massive rain. FUCK THAT.

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 12:47 PM

yeah does anyone know if it's being cancelled because of the rain today?

Posted by Jamie | July 29, 2007 12:50 PM

Please someone say whether or not its going to be canceled and how they know

Posted by Daniil | July 29, 2007 1:02 PM

the walkmen show last year wasnt cancelled, and it was raining just as hard.

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 1:03 PM

i usually love bk vegan, but this obnoxious array of whining, ungrateful brats will deter me from wasting my time in the future: it's a FREE show, people, get over it -- either you go and appreciate all that nyc offers to its residents, or you sit at home and write meaningless complaints while you wallow in your self pity at home.

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 1:06 PM

This rain is going to save jelly nyc from another disaster. They lucked out.

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 1:27 PM

blah blah blah, obviously youre not a real new yorker or you'd know complaining is what were all about here.

Posted by nyc noise fan | July 29, 2007 1:40 PM

1:06PM: "Biggest Whiner of them all."

Got to love it when they whine about people whining. No concept of irony.

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 1:45 PM

Anon 1:03,

I was at The Walkmen show @ McCarren last year and it drizzled for about half the show. I remember because I brought my umbrella, but didn't use it and got pissed off at the people in front of me who used theirs because they didn't want to get their $80-hipster-hairdo ruined.

Posted by b.LOUD | July 29, 2007 2:29 PM

I never understood umbrellas at outdoor shows. Don't people realize you can buy a poncho at the 99 cents store? So much better.

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 2:36 PM

Anyone have any concrete info on if this is still going on or not? I know it is rain or shine, but when it is thunder-storms these things tend to get shutdown.

Thanks.

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 2:42 PM

Yeah, but you look like a weirdo in a poncho.

And where can I get one of these $80 hipster haircuts? I just love those.

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 3:13 PM

"i usually love bk vegan, but this obnoxious array of whining, ungrateful brats will deter me from wasting my time in the future: it's a FREE show, people, get over it -- either you go and appreciate all that nyc offers to its residents, or you sit at home and write meaningless complaints while you wallow in your self pity at home."

thanks for the uplifting 2 cents, JellyNYC!

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 4:47 PM

Ok. You said that in your last comment (like that wasn't you). You're still here. Put your money where your mouth is and stop wasting your time on this site already. We won't be losing any sleep over one asshole deciding not to post anymore.

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 4:59 PM

4:47 was just quoting the said "asshole."

Posted by Anonymous | July 29, 2007 5:11 PM

Is the show on???

Posted by sticks | July 29, 2007 6:25 PM

anyone know whether this show is going on? someone mentioned it's going later than usual sunday shows which close up at around 7 or 8. thanks.

Posted by squeakr | July 29, 2007 6:59 PM

Very good show

Posted by Daniil | July 29, 2007 10:11 PM

did they play a full set ...?

Posted by badorties | July 29, 2007 10:19 PM

The rain let up around 5pm. The band took the stage around 6 and played until 7:20 or so.

Posted by Jill | July 29, 2007 10:30 PM

great show. glad the rain let up.

Posted by jason | July 30, 2007 12:21 AM

An RSVP system can be useful when a company has lots of ongoing events. The system at http://filmpr.com has been used for entertainment events and events sponsored by corporate chains. If you have 200+ events going on across the country, sponsored by one company, it helps to have an online system to manage all the information that comes in. Signup data can be very useful later for the hosting company, so the RSVP system pays off big just there. Additionally, it makes it easy before the event, to see which locations in the country have low RSVPs and might need more PR work in those areas.

For small events, an RSVP system may be overkill, but when there is a lot of data, you want some sort of system online to receive it, analyze it, and respond back to the users. It saves a lot of money and lets the employees more effectively use their time.

Posted by Todd A | August 30, 2007 1:46 AM

For small events, an RSVP system may be overkill, but when there is a lot of data, you want some sort of system online to receive it, analyze it, and respond back to the users. It saves a lot of money and lets the employees more effectively use their time.

Posted by mirc indir | August 25, 2008 7:49 PM

You said that in your last comment (like that wasn't you). You're still here. Put your money where your mouth is and stop wasting your time on this site already. We won't be losing any sleep over one asshole deciding not to post anymore.

Posted by Türkçe LimeWire | August 25, 2008 7:52 PM

They also did free concert in prospect park but that was easy getting into as well. They opened for AIR at theatre at msg and tickets did not sell well, partly because of size and overprice. Also, the threat of rain will also keep people away.

Posted by Limewire indir | August 25, 2008 7:54 PM

The band took the stage around 6 and played until 7:20 or so.

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They opened for AIR at theatre at msg and tickets did not sell well, partly because of size and overprice. Also, the threat of rain will also keep people away.

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