Posted in music on July 6, 2007

Drums

Please don't rain. Please don't rain. There's so much going on this weekend, but I think this is the most exciting one. RSVP if you haven't yet. All 77 drummers listed below....

Drum leaders:

1)*Hisham Bharoocha (Soft Circle / Pixeltan)
2)*Tim Dewit (Gang Gang Dance)
3)*Brian Chippendale (Lightning Bolt)
4)*Dave Nuss (No Neck Blues Band / Under Satans Sun)
5)*Jaiko Suzuki (Electro Putas)
6)*Jesse Lee (White Magic)
7)*Ryan Sawyer (Tall Firs / Stars Like Fleas)
8)*Kid Millions (Oneida)
9)*Andy McLeod (Howling Hex / Modest Mouse)
10)Aaron Moore
11)*Robin Easton

Other drummers:

12)*Sara Lund (Unwound)
13)*Jim Black
14)*Andrew W.K.
15)*Butchy Fuego (Pit Er Pat)
16)*Miggie (Blood On The Wall)
17)*Brian Tamborello (Psychic Ills)
18)*Andee Connors (A Minor Forest / Lumen)
19)*John Moloney (Sunburned Hand of the Man)
20)*Taylor Richardson (Sunburned Hand of the Man)
21)*Chris Millstein
22)*Abby Portner (First Nation)
23)*Aviram Cohen (Soiled Mattress and The Springs)
24)*Allison Busch (Awesome Color)
25)*Warren Huegel (Tussle)
26)*Nathan Corbin (Excepter)
27)*Clare Amory
28)*Jonathan Lockie (Sightings)
29)*Josh Bonati (Aa)
30)*Nadav Havusha (Aa)
31)*Aron Wahl (Aa)
32)*Jeffrey Salane (Panthers)
33)*Jim Sykes
34)*David Aron (Koi Pond)
35)*Michael Catano
36)*Spencer Herbst (Matta Lama)
37)*Jim Siegel (Cul De Sac and Damo Suzuki)
38)*Mike Pride (MDC, FUSHITSUSHA, John Zorn, Otomo Yoshihide)
39)*Nick DeCarmine
40)*Marianne Kozlowski (The Punks)
41)*Than Luu (M. Ward)
42)Dave Bergander (Celebration)
43)*Michael Evans (God Is My Co-Pilot)
44)*Andrya Ambro
45)*Justin DeRosa
46)*Hart Mingus (Negative Approach)
47)*matthias schulz (Enon/Holy Fuck)
48)*Josh Madell (Antietam, Other Music)
49)*Matt (No Neck Blues Band)
50)*Jim Abramson (Dymaxion)
51)*Oran Canfield (Child Abuse)
52)*Adriana Magaña (Crash Worship)
53)*Keith Connolly (No Neck Blues Band)
54)*Travis Harrison
55)*Jared Barron
56)*Jason Kourkounis (Delta 72 / Hot Snakes)
57)*Eric Cohen (Caroliner)
58)*Daniel Franz (Arbouretum)
59)*Christopher Brokaw (Codeine)
60)*Jared Burak (Wet Cement)
61)*Christopher Powell (Icy Demons/Man Man)
62) *Sadie Laska (I.U.D.)
63)*Pete Vogl (Koi Pond)
64)*Barbara Schauwecker
65)*AJ Edminson (Favourite Sons)
66)*David Grubbs
67)*John McSwain (VICE)
68)*Dave Abramson (Climax Golden Twins)
69)*Alan Licht
70)*Rick Prior
71)*Kayrock
72)*Dave LeBleu (Prefuse 73/Mercury Program)
73)*Lizzy Bougatsos (Gang Gang Dance)
74)*Alianna Kalaba (We Ragazzi)

Previously
* more details on the Boredoms 77 Drum ('Boadrum')

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Comments (345)

i havent been this excited since.... last time the boredoms came to town.

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 11:33 AM

holy shit. can't wait.

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 11:38 AM

RSVP list is full, has been for days.

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 11:39 AM

this is going to own

Posted by Mike | July 6, 2007 11:48 AM

I wonder how it will sound, and look, if viewed from above on the pedestrian walkway of the Manhattan Bridge.

Posted by drewo | July 6, 2007 11:55 AM

"RSVP list is full, has been for days."

wrong. It's just broken.

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 11:58 AM

i can't wait!

Posted by bryan | July 6, 2007 12:05 PM

Did anyone get a response to their rsvp?

Posted by danfun | July 6, 2007 12:08 PM

RSVPed a couple of weeks ago and didn't hear back.

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 12:11 PM

sunny day in glasgow at cakeshop tonight is my winner for the weekend's best! they rule!

Posted by timmy | July 6, 2007 12:12 PM

the website is down because a hacker accessed the server and deleted the rsvp list, suckers.

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 12:24 PM

yeah, i rsvped a couple of weeks ago also, and never heard anything back.

i haven't been to this park... is there still enough room if i crash it? i'm crashing it regardless. this is too important and wonderful to miss.

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 12:25 PM

THEY NEED TO RESPOND TO MY RSvp!!!
im gonna try to kidnap bryan chippendale
just kidding, kind of

Posted by AYO | July 6, 2007 12:31 PM

i'm gonna kidnap travis harrison

Posted by serge dc | July 6, 2007 12:38 PM

Well, there was no response that went out. If people RSVPed when the show was announced earlier this week, then they are on the list. The whole server, including viceland, is down due to a problem with our ISP. We are figuring it out and it should be up soon. Sorry - thanks, and the event is going to be loud and rad.

Posted by Christen from VICE | July 6, 2007 12:41 PM

The Cobra Snake kicked the server!

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 12:49 PM

is this the same park u2 played a couple of years ago? if so, i wouldn't worry about capacity issues. even that didnt seem crowded.

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 12:58 PM

The server is back up. You can RSVP now!

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 1:02 PM

vice man.. any official gates open/drumming starts times?? thank you muchly

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 1:14 PM

can anybody actually RSVP? When i go to RSVP it tells me there's an internal server error...

Posted by Nick | July 6, 2007 1:45 PM

How is this RSVP working? As in, what is the point of RSVPs? There is also no privacy policy for our emails!

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 1:48 PM

everyone complaining about RSVP....just show up at 4pm! thats when it starts....its not like 5000 people are gonna be there...i bet at the most there will be like 2000 people, there will be plenty of space for everyone to see this magical event!

Posted by who cares! | July 6, 2007 1:53 PM

That list goes only up to 74. And what do the asterisks signify?

Posted by Count von Count | July 6, 2007 3:11 PM

Gracias a BV for this forum, only place I've been able to find any more (breaking) Boadrum info. Like many here, I've been trying to RSVP as directed and getting no confirmation -- in fact, my screen would go/stay blank after hitting send on the Vice site's form ... familiar scenario? This happened two weeks ago, in the last few days, and earlier today. Admittedly, kinda felt like an ass sending for the RSVP thing so many times, wondering: a) Does my name keep getting repeatedly added to a list? b) Given large capacity at park, does it even matter to bother?

I hope it does not matter. Taking a Sat. morn bus up from Delaware; looking for optimism, if not outright confirmation ...

Just read/copied this that came on screen post-send, when RSVPing after reading (here) that site was up and working:

"Thank you. We are nearly at capacity and may not be able to accommodate everyone who RSVPs. We will be sending out confirmation emails on Friday. Note that we are still looking for volunteers and all volunteers will be admitted."

Cool of Vice to org./coordinate this whole thing but some earlier info in recent days on what the frig was going on cyber-/otherwise would've helped.
Here's hoping all goes well tomorrow but if anybody shows who RSVP'd weeks/days ago (and got zilch in feedback) and gets denied at any gate, etc. -- hell to pay ...

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 3:38 PM

"That list goes only up to 74. "

other three drummers are members of Boredoms

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 3:54 PM

Does anybody know if the RSVP's were sent? I have tried to contact the park several times with no response. I am flying in from Ohio to see this show. I have tried to RSVP several times in the past couple weeks. Now I am nervous I don't have a shot at getting in...can the Vice person respond?

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 3:54 PM

jim sykes is a badass drummer, look out for him!

Posted by beau | July 6, 2007 3:56 PM

Posted by Patrick | July 6, 2007 4:07 PM

no way this one's better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14Mx-EOCDg

Posted by animal | July 6, 2007 4:29 PM

alan licht??? oh come on

Posted by lovechild | July 6, 2007 4:46 PM

Thank you for RSVPing to tomorrow's BOREDOMS 77BOADRUM performance.
Your name has been added to the RSVP list for the event. HOWEVER, the RSVP response has been overwhelming - which means that we CANNOT guarantee admission, except on a first come-first served basis. We cannot overstate this: Not everyone will be allowed in.

The line will begin at the corner of New Dock and Water Street at 2:30pm. Please do NOT arrive before 2:30pm as the police stationed there will ask you to move along. Doors will open at 4pm. After we hit capacity, we can only admit you on a one-in, one-out basis.

PLEASE BE PREPARED TO WAIT, OR TO BE TURNED AWAY.

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Use of public transport is highly recommended. The closest MTA stops are York Street on the F train, Clark Street on the 2 and the 3 trains, and Cadman Plaza on the A and C trains.

Starting at 4pm will be DJ sets by Gang Gang Dance, and live performances from Soft Circle and First Nation. 77BOADRUM will begin at 7pm and end with the sunset.

BOREDOMS request that you leave your cameras at home for 77BOADRUM. In their words, "We want people to remember in their mind, not in their camera." It's looking like it will be beautiful day so remember to bring sunscreen.

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Since you'll be in the neighborhood, it's worth mentioning that Nike and PowerHouse have a show opening the same day as 77BOADRUM, just around the corner. RE-RUN: A contemporary installation inspired by the renegade spirit and energy of running in the 1970s, including photographs, graphics and a series of specially-commission artworks.
The PowerHouse Arena
37 Main Street, DUMBO, Brooklyn
Exhibition runs July 7 - 22, 2007, open to the public 12pm - 7pm daily.

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Also opening is The 5th Annual Vice Photo Show at BICA in Williamsburg. Open daily Wednesday through Sunday from July 7th - August 5th. Copies of Vice Photo Issue available at BICA for the duration of the show.
BICA: 184 Broadway (at Driggs, across from Peter Luger). Williamsburg, Brooklyn

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After the performance you're invited to the official 77BOADRUM afterparty: FIXED at Studio B (259 Banker St, Brooklyn). It's the JUSTICE † record release party with live performance from Simian Mobile Disco. $12

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 5:40 PM

pkay im starting freak the fuck out..
i've RSV'Ped 3times already...i have yet to get any conformation...what the hell is going on? i need some infor im dying over here...who has info...why is vice not on top of this shit...its a goddman park how can it reach capacity..i need answers..please SOMEONE ANYONE have answers

Posted by frreakingout | July 6, 2007 7:24 PM

dude... read the anon 5:40 post. The show is first come/first served. Answers. Voila.

Posted by notfreakingout | July 6, 2007 7:58 PM

check your spam folder. gmail sent my confirmation there.

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 8:07 PM

it's cool that this story is tagged "andrew wk"

i mean, without him, what is this worth?

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 8:37 PM

andrew w.k.? seriously...

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 9:01 PM

just got my RSVP!

check yr inboxes ppl

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 9:56 PM

Anyone think you can show up without an RSVP and get in? I haven't gotten a confirmation email (I have been planning the event for months but found out about the RSVP at the last minute) and it's a 7 hour drive for me...I'm really paranoid about not getting in.

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 10:56 PM

"BOREDOMS request that you leave your cameras at home for 77BOADRUM. In their words, "We want people to remember in their mind, not in their camera."

I wonder if that will be enforced at the gate? Sure we'd love to remember it in our minds, but not everyone can make it! It should also be quite a spectacle to take pics of, and would make one hell of a blog entry!

Posted by Anonymous | July 6, 2007 11:06 PM

I got a confirmation email from Viceland Events last night at around 8pm - but its blank. Anyone else have this happen?

Will there be an RSPV list at the door at this point or will it be 1st come/served as idicated above?

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 10:31 AM

I got a confirmation email from Viceland Events last night at around 8pm - but its blank. Anyone else have this happen?

Will there be an RSPV list at the door at this point or will it be 1st come/served as idicated above?

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 10:34 AM

i got no confirmation yet and and my girlfriend did although we RSVPed almost at the same time. very annoying.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 11:20 AM

"I wonder if that will be enforced at the gate? Sure we'd love to remember it in our minds, but not everyone can make it! It should also be quite a spectacle to take pics of, and would make one hell of a blog entry!"

They specifically ask to leave your camera at home, and here you are second-guessing their judgement. WTF?!?

PLEASE, NO CAMERAS.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 11:37 AM

though im sure Vice will be filming it for a dvd or VBS or some shit

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 11:57 AM

so are people really gonna start lining up at 2:30?? if the park has such huge capacity, what's the point??

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 1:01 PM

looks pretty small from the satellite photo...

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 1:38 PM

i live nearby. the park is big but not huge.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 2:33 PM

Can someone post from the park re crowd sitch, headed there now

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 3:11 PM

I am inside on the lawn right now. sit-space is going fast near the drum circle, but it is a large space and there are sections where you can spread out. don't have a sense yet if anyone's being turned away, people are still coming in no problem. good luck all.

Posted by birdboy | July 7, 2007 5:26 PM

I am inside on the lawn right now. sit-space is going fast near the drum circle, but it is a large space and there are sections where you can spread out. don't have a sense yet if anyone's being turned away, people are still coming in no problem. good luck all.

Posted by birdboy | July 7, 2007 5:27 PM

I am inside on the lawn right now. sit-space is going fast near the drum circle, but it is a large space and there are sections where you can spread out. don't have a sense yet if anyone's being turned away, people are still coming in no problem. good luck all.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 5:28 PM

the park is filling up, there are probably several *thousand* people in line, definitely a lot of those people will end up turned away.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 5:34 PM

the line was like 10 blocks long...i didn't even try

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 8:11 PM

The line was about half mile long.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 8:36 PM

heard a rumour they are doing it SUNDAY as well?????

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 9:03 PM

come on. you can't be serious about SUNDAY... I seriously doubt that.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 9:11 PM

There had to have been two or three times the capacity of that park there. I waited FOREVER and didn't get in. Pretty disappointing. Was it good inside? Listened to it from outside the gates and didn't love it.

Posted by trrricky | July 7, 2007 9:29 PM

I didn't make it in either. Pretty messed up since that Asian woman walking around telling everyone they're good to get in. I was right near the door ready to go and enjoy the show. I waited four hours and nothing. Heard it by the rocks and thought it sounded decent.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 10:01 PM

this was poorly conducted by jellynyc. they can go fuck themselves. felt like i was waiting in line for paris hilton or some shit.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 10:10 PM

I too read something that mentioned a Sunday show, but you can't just add a second day without a park permit, so it's very unlikely.

Pretty crummy that they asked for a meaningless RSVP then asked for people to show up at 2:30 for a 7:00 performance, and then still turned people away when the show wasn't even close to being at capacity. People have room to sprawl out, with large areas just empty. Someone should be accountable.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 10:21 PM

I doubt they'd add a second show. I mean, this show was a failure in organization. If they do a Sunday show, you best believe they need to change their shit up.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 10:26 PM

i shed more tears for 20 year fans listening from the curb than i do nyc hipsters. however, if you didn't smell a mess coming last week, no pity. esp with the whole "dont film the boredoms, let vice do it and then sell it to you for $50".

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 10:30 PM

It sounded fairly good from the Brooklyn Bridge. But, man, how pissed we were to see all of that beautiful green grass with no asses on it. At least a few hundred more people could have easily been let in.

Posted by db | July 7, 2007 11:06 PM

Waiting 5 hours for the musical event of the year was more than worth it. A+.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 11:06 PM

jesus christ, what a mess. I thought the policy would be one in one out, once capacity was reached, but apparantly not. 4 hours in line for nothing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 11:35 PM

jesus christ, what a mess. I thought the policy would be one in one out, once capacity was reached, but apparantly not. 4 hours in line for nothing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 11:35 PM

jesus christ, what a mess. I thought the policy would be one in one out, once capacity was reached, but apparantly not. 4 hours in line for nothing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 7, 2007 11:36 PM

i think about 2000 people were turned away....what a waste of time...got there a little before 4 and no way of getting in.....please have another show tomorrow!

Posted by blahhh | July 7, 2007 11:46 PM

They could have easily fit everyone who showed. We're talking about The Boredoms performing a drum spectacle, not U2.

I'd say only 1000 people at best made it inside. I would also say this hype delivered about as much as the iphone. Pretty cool, but full of problems. Also, I could have done without the second measure.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 12:23 AM

Bullshit.

Listened by the rocks.

Posted by wahwahwah | July 8, 2007 12:25 AM

the park was at capacity. there were 4000 total people inside. it is an 8 acre park, NOT a 50,000 square foot pool. the people who began to line up at 2:30 for 4:00 doors all got in. every square inch of grass cannot possibly be covered by bodies, it's just not allowed.
those who couldn't get in took it to the bridge and had an awesome view.
congrats to all the people invloved -- all the talent & producers -- this was an incredible free event. just incredible.

Posted by anonymous | July 8, 2007 1:00 AM

the park was at capacity. there were 4000 total people inside. it is an 8 acre park, NOT a 50,000 square foot pool. the people who began to line up at 2:30 for 4:00 doors all got in. every square inch of grass cannot possibly be covered by bodies, it's just not allowed.
those who couldn't get in took it to the bridge and had an awesome view.
congrats to all the people invloved -- all the talent & producers -- this was an incredible free event. just incredible.

Posted by anonymous | July 8, 2007 1:00 AM

really a beautiful musically and as a spectacle, albeit a little messy with the choreography, but nice.

the organization logistics of the day were hapless and amateurish though.

whoever they hired to promote and pull off this thing are totally clueless asses.

WTF - they couldn't make the # of peopled RSVP'd the same as the # of people the park can hold?? They could make a simple will-call line move faster than that ridiculousness??

What fucking dumbasses!

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:33 AM

never have missed any new york Boredoms shows since '94 but yesterday I did. I started to wait from around 3pm and turned away at 6:30. very disappointed.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 8:23 AM

Park capacity: 4,000
Number of VIP (guest list): 1,000
Number of RSVPs: 16,000 and they shut it off two days in advance before they got another few thousand

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 8:27 AM

yesterday was truly a triumph for music, nike, and american apparel

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 8:28 AM

thanks for the pictures Jason, they are excellent.

Posted by birdboy | July 8, 2007 9:44 AM

anytime birdboy, anytime.

Posted by jason | July 8, 2007 10:00 AM

we showed up at 2:50 and by the time we got in (3+ hours later), they had already admitted 3000 people. it would have been SO much better if they handed out wristbands starting at 2:30 until they handed out 3-4000. that way the people at the tail end of the line wouldn't have to wait in the sun for 4 hours just to be turned away.

about the performance...i actually teared up at one point. i watched from several different angles and each angle was kind of a different experience. it was amazing and i'm so thankful that i was able to witness it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 10:34 AM

Whose fault was it: Vice or JellyNYC? They should never be allowed to put on such a large scale event again.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 11:17 AM

All this for a hippie fucking drum circle!?

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 11:58 AM

the crowd was 800 people, at best. the majority of those were probably VIP listed, which is why the promoters will try and spin this.

there is absolutely no possible way they let in 3000 people.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 12:18 PM

the park was nowhere near full when they closed the doors, we saw from up on the bridge, id say maybe 2000 people inside that would be generous.

i dont have a problem so much that we didnt get in, but the way it was handled. i got on the line at around 3:15. about 500 people in front of me didnt get in either. when they were chasing people away we just turned the corner.

my problem is with the people who made us wait for 4 hours, 4 goddamn hours for nothing, and meanwhile like someone mentioned, a person came around at 4 pm and said if youve got rsvp youre in. 4 goddamn hours to get 2 or even 3 thousand people in? dont fucking prolong the inevitable, get people in and that it tell the rest sorry find something else to do with your afternoon.

Posted by nyc noise fan | July 8, 2007 12:24 PM

great as a concept and pretty great to see in action, kudos to Boredoms for imagining it and pulling it off.

fucking absolutely stupid as shit as a logistical event though - the promoters/organizers totally dropped the ball.

People waiting in line for over 2 hours and *then* getting turned away?? You already know how many people the fucking park can hold - just quickly count out that many people and tell everybody else sorry, for fucksake! why waste people's time??

And couldn't the goddamn line have moved faster than 2 fucking hours wait time??

Can't these people count - only RSVP the number of people who can actually get in, and only have that number of people wait online - it's simplicity in itself!

I echo the what somebody said above - JellyNYC should never be allowed to put on such a large scale event again.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 12:40 PM

Anonymous 11:58-

you really have no clue. the drumming was pure rock and roll. just watch the videos.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 12:42 PM

I started a dummy gmail email account in order to RSVP from- checked it today and that email account is already getting spam.

They sold my fucking email address, but yet I waited in line and they wouldn't let me into their goddamn concert.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 12:47 PM

When you ask for an RSVP, it's to get a sense of how many people to expect at your party. The whole world was invited to this event and I'm guessing Vice/Jelly were surprised by the scale of interest. I know I was. When they realized what was going on, they sent (albeit at the very last-minute) that email warning people to arrive early, and explaining it was going to be first-come. What else could they do?

After reading comments here leading up to the show, and then this Times article http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/07/arts/music/07BORE.html which mentions the RSVPs were triple capacity, I knew my only shot was to get there at 2:30. Whose fault is it that 4,000 people were on line by 3? Vice/Jelly, or bloggers and The Times? If I didn't get in with the information I knew Saturday morning, I'd only blame myself.

I won't rub it in too much by writing about the different ways the show was incredible. However, I think people are off in attacking the sponsorship. The Nike van could not have been any more inconspicuous. And the Sapporo? Five dollars for a giant can was reasonable, and when coupled with the Japanese food they were serving it made for a wonderfully themed afternoon. Few of us could pull off such a great party.

Posted by tricia | July 8, 2007 12:49 PM

sounds to me like the promoters had planned for this to be a semi-VIP event all along...they knew how many people would show, and did nothing to change the venue to accommodate people...look at bowery...if a show has a really huge response, they either add a 2nd show or move it to a larger venue...

jellynyc seemed content to let this be their own private show, for them and their friends. almost seems like they viewed it as their 'reward' for putting on free shows across nyc.

why have people at the door for a free show anyway? fucking ridiculous. a free show should be such that people can come and go as they please, avoiding the hassles of ticketing and scheduling.

i'm sure the boredoms would have rather charged a small fee and be assured their fans gained entry instead of having a free show for the jellynyc/helio corporate extended family.

here's an idea...learn from this debacle...next time a band wants to do a free show that will generate so much interest, charge $10 instead and donate the money to the American Cancer Society, some other worthy charity.

at least then it would all be for a good cause, instead of the self-gratification of the nyc hipster elite community.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 12:53 PM

"should never be allowed to put on such a large scale event again."

Really? because I'm pretty sure most of us can COUNT.

Apparently, that concept's beyond the capacity of JellyNYC.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 12:54 PM

"Few of us could pull off such a great party."

Really? because I'm pretty sure most of us can COUNT.

Apparently, that concept's beyond the capacity of the people at JellyNYC.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 12:55 PM

or how about this - put on free shows, but don't fuck up every detail of the organization side.

And, don't be evil:

Don't charge $10 for tiny portions of food or overcharge for water, while at the same time confiscating food and water(!) people bring to the door - which, btw, is in a PUBLIC park.

Don't allow more people than you're possibly going to let in to RSVP - just so you can acquire and sell off their email addresses.

Don't make thousands of people with no chance wait in a fucking line, when you already know how many people you're going to let in.

Don't be too cheap to hire enough staff so the line moves smoothly.

Don't let in 3 times as many "VIP'S" as regular people - that's fucked fucked fucked!

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 1:03 PM

i have a feeling this was always supposed to be a very private event. they just let in a nominal amount of people from the public to get the proper park permit.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 1:08 PM

The VIP line itself was HUGE. At one point, there are a few hundred people on the VIP line, which means the VIP list itself must be have been easily close to a thousand.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 1:21 PM

For all those claiming they could have fit another thousand people in there: http://www.flickr.com/photos/outcircuittheend/753975197/

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 1:30 PM

I got to the park at 2 and walked in the side entrance. Everyone got kicked out at 2:15 and the line formed outside. I got in at 4:10 or so.

My wife had a big bag that was searched, full of sandwiches, big bags of potato chips and water. All that stuff was allowed in. Each of my friends also brought in a large water bottle.

That said, I agree that they should have just wristbanded the total amount of people in the line starting at 2:30, at let everyone else know that they were probably not going to get in.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 1:42 PM

Yeah they should have wrist-banded people but I think if all the complaining people on here paid attention to the RSVP e-mail there would be no problem. They told you - line starts at 230 and doors at 4 and they are over capacity - so people would be turned away. Such is life here in NY where everyone wants to do the same thing. I thought it was a great show!

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 2:25 PM

what a totally frustrating afternoon

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 2:26 PM

why didn't they just send RSVP responses back to the # of people reasonably approximating how many would get in?

Otherwise, why have an RSVP system set up at all?

and, on top of that, they sent out the RSVP email response around 8pm the night before, after many people had come into NYC from out of town and made expensive plans to see this thing. This, after leading people on until then that an RSVP would guarantee entry.

These people are inept clowns.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 2:41 PM

despite the organizers best efforts to ruin everything, the show was completely devastating. Changed my life.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 2:52 PM

To whomever is questioning the capacity: there were slightly over 3,900 people in that park. Whomever is counting 1,000 clearly CANNOT count. There were clickers at the entrances and capacity was monitored strictly. As for general admittance vs. VIP, there were 3,300 tickets for the general public, 500 for press and VIP, VIP including friends and families of the drummers and band. That is NOT a ridiculous ratio and does NOT make this a private or even semi-private event.
The response to the event was tremendous. The promoters I am sure wanted every person who traveled far and near to get in to this show. That being said, there is a capacity that is set by the state park and promoters are given a cut-off point. There hands were tied.
While I agree that the RSVP method was not handled correctly, I'd ask you -- what happens if you have a house party and 4 x the amount of people you invited showed up and then it became a danger? I'm pretty sure the response to this event caught the organziers by surprise, and they were then left to deal with a crisis. The NYT article didn't help any, and it should have alerted people to get there early, NOT when doors opened. Again, I agree it could have been handled better but the fact is that the majority of the fans that showed up for this show GOT IN.
This was a FREE show, and JellyNYC worked hard to find sponsors to cover the costs of this production -- which include everything from security to permits to state parks fees and rangers fees and everything else. And yet there are always those that are unhappy about food prices (food and water WERE allowed in, glass bottles weren't -- any different from Central Park of Prospect Park?) or the fact that there is a sponsor (OH MY GOD how awful) or that there weren't enough volunteers (are these the same people who were insulted by Jelly's earlier call out for help with this event??).
Frustrating for all of you who waited to get in and didn't, but also a bit frustrating to read this forum and all the whining and complaining and just outright LIES. I think most of the misinformation on this forum comes from people who weren't actually there -- maybe you were at some other drum circle??

Posted by i was there | July 8, 2007 3:04 PM

77 Boadrums the performance by Boredoms & 77 drummers = amazing

77 Boadrums the concert organized by JellyNYC & Vice = amazingly frustrating and totally screwy in every detail

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:05 PM

Anon 12:53
Move to the Bowery? What's the capacity of Bowery? Huh? Where you gonna line up 77 drum kits?
Sure let the doors be open to all - so 10,000 people can come into the park and then they just shut it down cause it's over capacity -- and then -- no show!!
Why don't you do a bit of research into putting a free show on in a state park and THEN come back with your plan if you know so much.
And hey, let's have all the money go to charity, sure -- wait, how are you gonna pay the staff and the crew?
Next time you do it! I'm sure it will run as smooth as silk.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:25 PM

"what happens if you have a house party and 4 x the amount of people you invited showed up and then it became a danger?"

most house parties don't have an email list of who wants to come weeks before it happens. It wasn't really a surprise how popular this was - especially not to the promoters, who had the RSVP emails to gage from.

You could easily have made it first come, first serve via EMAIL. Just set a number you're going to allow in, and send accurate responses back to that many people saying "you're getting in" or you're not. There was no reason to lead people on and make them wait in a pointless line for HOURS.

If you can't find enough volunteers to make the line move reasonably fast - then maybe spend some of that promoter profit margin and hire some WORKERS

you know - get ORGANIZED, because you're supposed to be ORGANIZERS

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:26 PM

"Move to the Bowery? What's the capacity of Bowery? Huh? Where you gonna line up 77 drum kits?"

nobody suggested Bowery could accommodate this show, The guy was saying Bowery Presents are smart enough promoters to move a show to a bigger location when their original location proves too small.

Bowery Presents also knows how to run a will-call list, which apparently JellyNYC does not know how to do.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:31 PM

"you know - get ORGANIZED, because you're supposed to be ORGANIZERS"

I totally agree. It was just a mess. no excuse to make that many people wait for 4 hours for nothing when a simple idea could prevent this from happening.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:39 PM

people have been organizing free concerts for centuries without these kind of screw up - are we supposed to believe that because the show was free, we have to forgive every stupid decision that the promoters made??

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:43 PM

"but I think if all the complaining people on here paid attention to the RSVP e-mail there would be no problem"

Many of us received blank emails (nothing but CSS code) from Vice. Also, the email arrived late on Friday, less than 24 hours before.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:47 PM

1) This event was listed with the city as being open to the public, not a private event, so I suggest JellyNYC send out apology emails, or be accountable.

2) The photo posted of the crowd...? If the park was at capacity, then how come there was about 50-100 feet of empty lawn on the Southern side of the park behind the crowd which was lined up no more then 20 people deep? Only one half was filled even vaguely near capacity. The boardwalk was gated off, and entirely empty. People had room to sprawl out and picnic, lay on their backs, have dance parties. Why lie about this?

3) When they got hit hard with RSVP requests, why didn't they go to Park & Rec, and switch the venue to one which could accomodate a larger crowd?

4) If you're going to have a VIP event with very limited entrance, then say that up front. Do not ask people to run an endurance test and then still deny them entry. Worse, don't pretend it was handled properly. How are we to believe JellyNYC and Vice were the only ones who couldn't see this coming before Friday? Sorry, saying line up 5 hours early without water, or restroom facilities isn't a humane solution to a problem they created.

5) Stop the bullshit RSVP's in New York. We all know this has been a problem for many years now. Venue size has nothing to do with it. A confirmation should be just that. If you don't have the ability to send that confirmation then do not ask for an RSVP.

6) This should have been a beautiful event for the New York city arts community, but it's almost like the promoters went out of their way with neglect so as to create the most frusterating situation possible for at least twice as many people as those who made it into the venue.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:53 PM

1) This event was listed with the city as being open to the public, not a private event, so I suggest JellyNYC send out apology emails, or be accountable.

2) The photo posted of the crowd...? If the park was at capacity, then how come there was about 50-100 feet of empty lawn on the Southern side of the park behind the crowd which was lined up no more then 20 people deep? Only one half was filled even vaguely near capacity. The boardwalk was gated off, and entirely empty. People had room to sprawl out and picnic, lay on their backs, have dance parties. Why lie about this?

3) When they got hit hard with RSVP requests, why didn't they go to Park & Rec, and switch the venue to one which could accomodate a larger crowd?

4) If you're going to have a VIP event with very limited entrance, then say that up front. Do not ask people to run an endurance test and then still deny them entry. Worse, don't pretend it was handled properly. How are we to believe JellyNYC and Vice were the only ones who couldn't see this coming before Friday? Sorry, saying line up 5 hours early without water, or restroom facilities isn't a humane solution to a problem they created.

5) Stop the bullshit RSVP's in New York. We all know this has been a problem for many years now. Venue size has nothing to do with it. A confirmation should be just that. If you don't have the ability to send that confirmation then do not ask for an RSVP.

6) This should have been a beautiful event for the New York city arts community, but it's almost like the promoters went out of their way with neglect so as to create the most frusterating situation possible for at least twice as many people as those who made it into the venue.

7) Promoters better admit to their error or they should be boycotted.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:54 PM

thanks for coming to my defense anon 3:31...

apparently the dude questioning my logic needs to retake the reading comprehension portion of the SAT...

"Why don't you do a bit of research into putting a free show on in a state park and THEN come back with your plan if you know so much."

then don't have it at a state park...have it at some other venue that can hold the crowd...brilliant!

"And hey, let's have all the money go to charity, sure -- wait, how are you gonna pay the staff and the crew?"

last time i checked, charity meant 'not for profit'...hence there would be no paying of the staff/crew, which apparently there was not anyway since jellynyc asked for volunteers...if it was for charity, i would have volunteered...since it was for helio/nike/american apparel, i did not

pull your head out of your ass dude...it's not so tough

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 3:55 PM

worst part of this whole situation -

these JellyNYC fuckers are actually going to get PAID for this debacle. Probably got paid months ago.

Maybe that's why they did such a shitty job, nothing really on the line, nobody able to demand their ticket price refunded.

I pity the poor overworked, unpaid chumps who actually VOLUNTEERED and then had to work maddening hours getting through the long lines without enough people working, taking all the flak for the clumsy organizational mistakes that these crappy promoters made.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:07 PM

D'accord on all reasonable bitchin' & gripin' about how lame the org was. Unacceptable and inexcuseable (as well as bewildering). Howza 'bout some official JellyNYC/Vice statements on exactly what went on and why, along w/ any specific mea culpas?

I did NOT pull the trigger on coming up from Philly yesterday , after I couldn't make the NYC bus here before noon -- so, understood, no way was I gonna be in line in Brooklyn by 2:30 -- but ... ONLY learning what was what (sorta) via my finally-answered e-RSVP the night before was, again (ad nauseam), fuckin' A ridiculous ...

Now, how about this:

Can someone pls. explain why it was so good (or not) as a perf?

What made it more than a glorified drum(kit) circle extended session, albeit w/ notable indie/etc. drummers and the estimable Boredoms at the center of it all?

I ask this not as one afflicted w/ any sour-grapes syndrome but merely as a challenge to go off on the goods; I guess I don't wanna wait for printed reviews, wanna learn sooner (and from articulate fans) what was so great about it.
See, I'm a serious Boredoms fan, more into earlier stuff, sure, but still on-boar'd w/ all their riddimatic preoccupations of recent years ...

So -- and in as much detail as poss -- the music?

p.s. Soooo glad I saw them as many times as I did from way back on, in front of scores, then hundreds; shows on a Cali mini-tour w/ Trumans Water stand out ...

Posted by D*Star | July 8, 2007 4:07 PM

even worse part of this situation - not just anyone can walk up to the city and get to use the McCarren Park Pool, or walk up to the state and use Brooklyn Bridge Park.

These people have access to these locations because of political connections - basic cronyism.

To be in the (unfair) privileged position to use locations nobody else is able to use for art, and then to do it in a completely half-assed crappy fashion, that's just outrageous.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:14 PM

The show was interesting if only because it exposed a new crop to music as a performance vehicle beyond standard rock n' roll noise fuckery. It wasn't mind blowing, though there were some very moving moments. It was more impressive that these Japanese folks had a mad vision which they managed to pull off.

Otherwise, it was not mind blowing for anyone who takes a serious interest in this sort of thing. The spiral formation was actually very silly looking up close.

If you didn't see it you did not miss much. Truth.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:16 PM

i got to the park at like 3..they then made an announcement about how we all should leave and wait on line..they said it had something to do with the park rent a cops..we waited till like 4 when they gave put wristbands...but while we were waiting hundreds of v.i.p s strolled passed us...and unlike someone mentioned before the v.i.p.s werent only drummers family and band stuff..i know someone who got to be v.i.p. cos she knew someone who worked at JellyNYC..the show was amazing and there was a dance party..it was kindof packed...we were told not to stnad up so we wouldnt block people from seeing the drum circle;and from where i was (near the boardwalk) it was pretty cramped...it sucks that such an amazing event like this was ruined...and i wouldnt blame JellyNyc for the RSVP thing since that seemed to be Vice responso. and didnt the computer get hacked?...

Posted by megatron | July 8, 2007 4:16 PM

vice's computer hacked? hardly. they just did a shitty job.

the VIP thing was totally tacky and obnoxious. Not what Boredoms are about at all. The marketing bullshit would have been ok - what doesn't have sponsorships these days? - but mixed with whole distasteful VIP element, this event left a real bad, smug, commercial taste in my mouth. So little of this had anything to do with the art that was going down.

They might as well have said - RSVP holders - let 'em eat cake. The organizers sure seemed to treat the regular audience like a pretty insignificant part of their event.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:24 PM

man, there are some bitter folks up in here.

i was slightly irritated that i had to wait in line for over 3 hours, but it was all worth it in the end. the problem with the line was that people were walking up and down it looking for their friends. i know that a good 30 people cut almost immediately in front of me in line. again, if wristbands were handed out, it wouldn't have been a problem.

vice/jelly nyc never guaranteed admission, they just said that you wouldn't get in if you didn't rsvp.

this was the same as any show/party with limited capacity except for the fact that the boredoms made no money on it. just because you show up somewhere and have rsvped doesn't mean you'll get in.

and to the people suggesting a venue change, HA HA. i bet that a ton of RSVPs flooded in in the week before the event (i accidentally rsvped a few times. twice this past week). that's nowhere near enough time for a change of venue. especially one that is free...the space was donated. and it was gorgeous.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:25 PM

"This event was listed with the city as being open to the public, not a private event, so I suggest JellyNYC send out apology emails, or be accountable."

This was a public event. Are you suggesting that all of the 3,900 who were inside the park were friends of organizers or the band? How do you come to this conclusion? The line for admission wrapped all the way to beneath the Manhattan Bridge -- that is a PUBLIC ADMISSION line.

"The photo posted of the crowd...? If the park was at capacity, then how come there was about 50-100 feet of empty lawn on the Southern side of the park behind the crowd which was lined up no more then 20 people deep? Only one half was filled even vaguely near capacity. The boardwalk was gated off, and entirely empty. People had room to sprawl out and picnic, lay on their backs, have dance parties. Why lie about this?"

The parts of the park that were empty are over a hill where people could NOT see the event. There is a hill, where American Apparel was situated and on the other side of the hill there was no one, they crammed into the main lawn so they could see the band. The boardwalk was sanctioned off because State Parks do not allow people who have consumed alcohol to be near the boardwalk. You have an issue with that? Take it up with Albany and the State Parks people, not the organizers. But do not accuse people of lying when you don't have all the facts or are coming to a conclusion based on a...photo? Which one? And did you count every person in the photo as well?

"When they got hit hard with RSVP requests, why didn't they go to Park & Rec, and switch the venue to one which could accomodate a larger crowd?"

Opne to your suggestion for an available location that would issue permits in that timeframe.

"If you're going to have a VIP event with very limited entrance, then say that up front. Do not ask people to run an endurance test and then still deny them entry. Worse, don't pretend it was handled properly. How are we to believe JellyNYC and Vice were the only ones who couldn't see this coming before Friday? Sorry, saying line up 5 hours early without water, or restroom facilities isn't a humane solution to a problem they created."

I think Vice said on BV that there server went down -- they had not expected 12,000 rsvps, which probably most of them were duplicates as well. How do you come to the conclusion that it is 5 hours early when the line formed at 2:30 and the doors opened at 4.00? That's 1.5 hours. No water? You can't buy a bottled water from a deli? No restroom facilities? There were bathroom AND portapotties in the park -- that was open to the public until 3pm. Actually early birds (like me) came and sat on the grass and watched the rehearsals and then left the park and got on line.

"5) Stop the bullshit RSVP's in New York. We all know this has been a problem for many years now. Venue size has nothing to do with it. A confirmation should be just that. If you don't have the ability to send that confirmation then do not ask for an RSVP."

As some other posted wrote, they most likely asked for RSVPd to get an idea of how many people planned on coming -- how do you judge accurately otherwise? When they saw that the RSVPs were 4x the capcity they bascially changed it to first come, first in. Do you really have an issue with first-come first-in for a free show?

"This should have been a beautiful event for the New York city arts community, but it's almost like the promoters went out of their way with neglect so as to create the most frusterating situation possible for at least twice as many people as those who made it into the venue."

So at the end of it all your day was spoiled because you had to wait on line? Because too many people wanted to get in to same show? How do you come up with twice as many people?

I'm pretty sure the majority of the people that were there enjoyed the views and the show and the fact that they weren't crammed tight and had room the breathe. People were sitting right beside the drummers on the grass -- it was awesome. And the smart people who didn't make it in ran up to the Brooklyn Bridge to see it and hear it from up high, another added bonus for that venue.

If you really are so angry at the entry process then maybe you should stay home. Or start organizing concerts yourself.

Posted by i was there | July 8, 2007 4:26 PM

"the week before the event... that's nowhere near enough time for a change of venue."

I've seen venues changed night-of and *during* the show, so you're wrong.

and the line didn't have to take 3 hours! All they had to do was hire more door people and you would have gotten in quick!

I've been to shows with more than 50,000 people where I got through the line in less than 5 minutes. What is up with these promoters?

btw- the park wasn't free, the JellyNYC dude said up above that there were fees, and the Boredoms did get paid. You're wrong on a lot of details here.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:32 PM

"then don't have it at a state park...have it at some other venue that can hold the crowd...brilliant!"

Uh, Giant Stadium? Shea Stadium? Where should it have been held? What would have been to your liking?

"last time i checked, charity meant 'not for profit'...hence there would be no paying of the staff/crew, which apparently there was not anyway since jellynyc asked for volunteers...if it was for charity, i would have volunteered...since it was for helio/nike/american apparel, i did not"

The stage and lights and sound boards and all tech equipment and security staff and police fees and event insurance and vending fees and everything else donated?? WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON? Really, between all the free concerts that happen in NYC in the summer, how many do you think have ALL labor and production donated for FREE? Anyone ever hear of that? Anyone? I'd be curous to know....

This show was for the sponsors???? Hahahahhaha. Clearly you weren't there. I saw no huge banners on the stage, I saw no sponsor tents. Just a little AA shop on a hill in the trees and an old wagon stationed with some Nike sneakers in it.

pull your head out of your ass dude...it's not so tough.

Excuse me, but who has their head in their ass here???

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:38 PM

ok "I was there" - just admit that you are JellyNYC.

interesting lie strategy there, quote tons of exact figures and details that only the promoters themselves could possibly know, the throw in little bullshit lines like "early birds (like me) came and sat on the grass and watched the rehearsals" and so on to make it sound like you're a regular member of the crowd.

Why are you lying so obviously? It's not workin. Too bad for you that no REAL regular members of the crowd are interested in defending you.

You fucked up, accept it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:39 PM

todd p changed the venue for the HUGE matt & kim/parts & labor show in a few hours, so fuck off that "it cannot be done"

ANYTHING CAN BE DONE...the fact that people think otherwise just serves to illuminate the fact that they are a part of the problem

laziness and satisfaction with mediocrity does not equal impossibility

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:44 PM

I want to hear one more exact figure from these JellyNYC dudes who are telling us all to go get fucked for criticizing them...

how much profit did you make, exactly, from this event? Don't lie or duck and give us platitudes, give us a number.

If you want to offset it with exact figures you spent, great. But tell us how much money you walked with after throwing a hapless, largely VIP, event in a public New York state park, because we are all curious.

MANY details of how you did this were lame. It was in *our* public park, I want some disclosure.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:47 PM

I don't work for Jelly but I do work on events in NYC. I just think it's always easy to blame the organizer when they are fighting to get these types of events done when dealing with state or city bureacracy.

I also know that dealing with State Parks is a NIGHTMARE.

But no, please don't make the incorrect assumption that I work for them....I'm sure if they wanted to respond to all this they would on their own. I have no affiliation with them AT ALL.

But anyone could have asked the capacity -- the guys were counting at the door.

Posted by i was there | July 8, 2007 4:49 PM

Todd P has nothing to do with it - lots of big, professional concerts get relocated all the time - just by more talented promoters than these guys.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:51 PM

ok then 'I Was There' - tell us who you are then, since you have access to so much exact information about JellyNYC's finances and trials and tribulations.

Why be a stranger?

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 4:53 PM

IWASTHERE - who claims to not be JellyNYC in disguise, says "anyone could have asked the capacity -- the guys were counting at the door."

and you, Mr Private Citizen, just happened to ask the RSVP capacity, the VIP Capacity, and know about what the costs were re: "security to permits to state parks fees and rangers fees" - interesting that you would just know all of this info, much of specific to this event alone and not to running events in general...

you're not maybe lying about who you are (again) to cover up the earlier lie maybe?

You're about as talented at lying as you are at running a free concert in the park...

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 5:00 PM

This doesn't bode well for the TV on the Radio pool party.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 5:02 PM

great concert yesterday, terrible organization.

3 hours in line!

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 5:12 PM

I don't know anything about Jelly's finances at all, again I do not work for them or even know them, but I DO know what it takes to put on events at a park. A State Park is different than a City park -- way different. It is a lot more exhaustive in terms of paperwork and what is required staff and seucrity-wise. It's a completely different animal.

I just posted cause I was there, and I asked some questions -- and have some info because of asking. I can't speak on behalf of Vice or Jelly, their issues are their issues, but it's a bit frustrating to read a lot of the comments above which some are downright lies. Anyone who was inside the park knows that there were way more than 1,000 people inside and that the line for general admission entry stretched all the way to Manhattan Bridge, the VIP line did not. I know that not all VIPs and Press got in, once the doors were shut they were shut. And the State Park police enforce that strictly. The entry wasn't handled properly, and I agree with y'all on that, but when people say there was no bathrooms or water or whatnot, it's like they weren't even at the same park I was. It just becomes rumors or complaints that are not valid or true.

Shame cause the show was exciting and unusual and it didn't get rained out (which is always the biggest fear) and most people did get in to see it. .

But please do not assume I work for a promoter if I defend them with all the obstacles they face. I've been there and it IS a huge amount of effort and work you put into these things --- and at the end it's for public enjoyment...it's not a private party.

But I guess judging from this forum, most didn't enjoy the show cause of the hassles getting in....and that's a shame.

Posted by i was there | July 8, 2007 5:14 PM

One thing, I spoke to the parks people for specifics on this show. I think you can do the same...

I don't know if the promoter will be an open book about their finances, especially since they are NOT a not-for-profit and owe us nothing, but if you ask the parks dept they will give you info on specifics. They did for me.

Posted by i was there | July 8, 2007 5:26 PM

what was said was that there were no bathrooms for people waiting in line for 3 hours, not that there weren't any inside the park.

The guy who made reference to bathrooms made it very clear that he was talking about how much it sucked to be online. I'm led to believe... maybe you're deliberately misquoting the guy inorder to come up with a way to discredit your detractors and call them liars?? Why would anybody who's just a "regular guy" and not JellyNYC stoop to that truth twisting level to defend JellyNYC?

BTW, PS1 - who throws much smaller parties - has portopotties outside for the people waiting in line. Not so, this party. So you're also wrong that that doesn't constitute another example of the promoters dropping the ball.

what have we learned? "I Was There" *is* JellyNYC - no matter much he lies to deny it - and JellyNYC *are* clueless promoters for allowing such a ridiculous line to form, not having enough staff to deal with it, and not having basic services for the people forced to wait in it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 5:26 PM

"Shame cause the show was exciting and unusual and it didn't get rained out (which is always the biggest fear) and most people did get in to see it."


umm, most people got in to see it? Did you see the line of people denied entry?

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 5:44 PM

"umm, most people got in to see it? Did you see the line of people denied entry?"

I agree, IWASTHERE clearly is the one making up facts. He/she said "the line for general admission entry stretched all the way to Manhattan Bridge" when in fact it went way past the bridge, all the was past Jay St!!!

Also, when I walked in front, the VIP line had a least two hundred people in it. There is no way the VIP list had only 500 names. I have no problems with VIPs, but 1/4 of the total? Terrible.

It is quite clear IWASTHERE = jelly or vice.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 5:56 PM

I should add that the end of the line was at the Manhattan Bridge when they finally reached capacity. Easily a quarter mile of people. Minimum 1000 RSVPed people that waited did not get in.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 5:57 PM

did anyone tell boredoms about what happened?

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 6:18 PM

"One thing, I spoke to the parks people for specifics on this show. I think you can do the same..."

why would some regular joe be interested in how hard it is to run an event in state park by asking some park people around? I wouldn't. weren't you just there to enjoy the show? it makes no sense.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 6:30 PM

Know who were the VIPs for this show? The people got there early, understood the power and popularity of this shit and read up on sites like this about how much of a clusterfuck it would be. It was magical inside. I recognized many of the VIPs. They were the same folks that I see out at those ToddP shows, the Lightning Bolt shows, last year's Boredoms' shows and noise rock shows. Those people willing to put up with a couple hours in a line with a bunch of excited as fuck Boredoms fans, and then sit in a park for an additional few hours on a beautiful day and talk and chat with friends and have a great fucking day. Not those who just HAD to have late brunch at 3PM and mosey over at 6PM.

Posted by notaVIP | July 8, 2007 7:31 PM

ok whatever you say elitist hipster fuck.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 7:34 PM

what i don't understand is people leaving before the show was over! i mean fuck i saw probably at least 100 people leave before the show ended....

Posted by blahhh | July 8, 2007 8:03 PM

>>"and didnt the computer get hacked?..."

Sorry. That was my joke. I was just kidding.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 8:16 PM

"todd p changed the venue for the HUGE matt & kim/parts & labor show in a few hours, so fuck off that "it cannot be done""

toddp doesn't have to rely on insurance policies/security/massive stage and sound and lighting people/permits with government entities and oh so many more details.

yes it wasn't perfect but no one expected the response to be so massive. everyone inside were working their asses off all day, dealing with all the issues that popped up as best they could. it sucks that not everyone got in, but if you read about something like this for months on in the internet and in the NY Times, it's clearly a pretty well known event.

also, where exactly would port-o-potties go? the line was on a public street with small sidewalks.

Posted by jason | July 8, 2007 9:10 PM

"yes it wasn't perfect but no one expected the response to be so massive. everyone inside were working their asses off all day, dealing with all the issues that popped up as best they could."

sounds like a press release from the bush administration...why don't we aim our anger at them!

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 9:45 PM

"Those people willing to put up with a couple hours in a line with a bunch of excited as fuck Boredoms fans, and then sit in a park for an additional few hours on a beautiful day and talk and chat with friends and have a great fucking day. Not those who just HAD to have late brunch at 3PM and mosey over at 6PM."

Do you understand what is being said here? People who were in line as early as 3:15 were TURNED AWAY.

People waited in line for hours and were TURNED AWAY.

So you can take all this "willing to put up with" shit and shove it up your ass.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 9:54 PM

"Those people willing to put up with a couple hours in a line with a bunch of excited as fuck Boredoms fans, and then sit in a park for an additional few hours on a beautiful day and talk and chat with friends and have a great fucking day. Not those who just HAD to have late brunch at 3PM and mosey over at 6PM."

Do you understand what is being said here? People who were in line as early as 3:15 were TURNED AWAY.

People waited in line for hours and were TURNED AWAY.

So you can take all this "willing to put up with" shit and shove it up your ass.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 9:54 PM

Ok. Really, enough. Three things: 1. It's New York. It's big, and tons of people live here. Which means 2. lots of people are into this kind of music and art. When 3. legendary bands (in this circle) play a show, free or not, you have to do your homework, and make sure, by all means, that you will be able to see it. Stop passing the buck. An email was sent out telling you to get there early, which any reasonable person would not have needed to have read to know that this thing was going to be huge. Therefore, you have only yourselves to blame. Lesson: get there early or miss out. It really is an axiom for life.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 10:07 PM

after reading all these comments, i wanted to chime in and say that i saw u2 which i think was at the same location as this. the u2 show was free (you also had to rsvp for it.) it was handled absolutely PHENOMENALLY, with helpful, attentive people in charge of handling the long line prior to the show. too bad the same thing didn;t happen for the boredoms show. my point is that it's not impossible to pull off a huge free show smoothly, nicely and without having to make people wait for hours and hours. i think i waited for 45 minutes on line for u2 before getting let in to the picnic area where they performed.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 10:12 PM

"Lesson: get there early or miss out. It really is an axiom for life."


like getting there early for wilco

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 10:54 PM

the line was long and not ideally organized, and i'm sorry for people who didn't get in (although they did send an email warning about that), but change the venue? are you crazy? that's a big part of what made it so special. and $8 for a meal and $5 for one of those really big sapporos was awesome. for $25 i waited in line a couple of hours, got drunk and fed, and saw an amazing once in a lifetime show with many thousands of people. quit complaining.

Posted by slim | July 8, 2007 11:08 PM

i was at u2 and 77 drums. it's unfair to compare the two. u2 was announced that morning and when you came they let you in (relatively quickly). there was no "door time". drums had people lining up for hours since they knew about it in advance. plus it had over 10000 rsvps (so 1000 not getting in is a small number). one comparison that is fair is capacity. both had plenty of empty space, but that's park rules, has nothing to do with the organizers. handing out the wristbands at 2:30 would have been a good idea, so that people wouldn't have to wait to not get in and cutters would be out of luck, but besides that it was fine.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 11:17 PM

complainers win! anti-complainers (although well mobilized and more prevalent in later posts) lose! JellyNYC/Vice blew it! The End.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 11:45 PM

JellyNYC and Vice should not be allowed to secure city permits to plan events which gives preferential door policy to their VIP's in the future. People are reporting they arrived at 2:30 WITH RSVP print out in hand, and still didn't get in after waiting for 4pm to roll around. If they want to rent the park for a private party, then fine, pay for it, don't depend on taxpayer dollars.

This years free out door 30th Anniversary Rock Steady Crew event will not be in New York City this month. Why? Because they couldn't get a permit. The official reason cited? A lack of accomodations for attendees, amongst other issues.

So a word to "I was there" who claims to have access to a city parks employee during the weekend in order to form a rebutal - get humble real quick, or you might end up promoting your next event out of state in Jersey.

I'll be forwarding this thread to my own contacts with the parks commission.

Posted by Anonymous | July 8, 2007 11:48 PM

i think they could have fit more people if people were allowed to stand instead sit! i mean come on, i know they had to film and everything but for the people that got in, do you think it woul dhave been better standing up or sitting down...cause i bet you could have at least fit couple more hundred people in there if it was standing....

Posted by ahhh | July 9, 2007 12:07 AM

these promoters dropped the ball. it was obvious to anyone who came, waited in line, and either got in or didn't. every detail was a mess in the RSVP dept.

these people fucked up!

they should not be employed to promote shows like this again.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 12:14 AM

can we get to 777 posts?

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 12:24 AM

RE: get the early for wilco

The person who you thought wrote that did not.

nice play.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 12:30 AM

Re: wilco

feet?

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 12:46 AM

it's like fisher price "my first rsvp" on this message board. people who got there early got in. end of story. everyone else who missed the FREE concert can suck it. anyone who said they got there at 2:30 and didn't get in is a liar or an idiot who somehow screwed up. i arrived at 3pm and was told 500 people behind me were getting in too.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 1:24 AM

these people, jellynyc can they anything right? we got to mccarren pool today at 2 pm, thats what is says on the website, show starts 2 pm, the gate does not open until 2:45! dan deacon on his myspace it says set time 3:00pm sharp. actually starts 4:00. what the hell is going on?

going back to this 77 drummers event-
let me reiterate the point that I think is getting missed by some of the apologists= if you showed up at 3 pm it was already too late. at 4 pm a person(someone that works for them in that yellow staff shirt) came around to the line saying rsvp holders are getting in. so for almost 4 goddamn hours we stand on this line and in the end, we dont get in. thats the problem the way i see it. 4 hours! the way it happened we just got strung along, and played for suckers in the end.

also, all this talk well how could they know the crowd would be so big, you probably had more people for fujiya and miyagi at south street seaport friday night. did you see the crowd animal collective pulled in? they cram people in at the central park summerstage every weekend and its never a problem. you probably have +4 thousand every show at the pool, you know anything that is free a shit load of people are gonna show up.

they could have held this thing at mccarren pool, and with no rsvp and i guarantee you more people would have seen it, and we all would have got in in 15 minutes.

Posted by nyc noise fan | July 9, 2007 1:33 AM

how about this,all of you boycott jelly nyc by not showing up to the mccarren pool parties. preferably the july 29th, TV on the Radio show. This way i have a better shot at getting in.

obviously this brooklyn community scene has gotten to large for the promoter to handle...

why dont they just move it to the great lawn in central park and have live nation take over.

All i know is, when im telling my kids about this kick ass,boredoms 77 drummer event that i went to on 7-7-07.waiting in line for 3 hours will make the story that much better. cause i can say i waited for three hours and I got in and it was amazing.

as far as changing the venue...im no promoter but didnt you people see waynes world 2???

thanks jelly nyc and vice for making such a cool thing happen.

schwingggggggggg!!!!!


Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 1:47 AM

I urge complainers to read the NYT preview article. This was in essence a performance piece, and space was limited to accomodate that. There was nothing between the drums and the crowd -- no bouncer trench, not even a mesh fence. When they told everyone to remain seated it was superficially a mellow gesture, but I'm sure it was about crowd contol. To the Dan Deacon fan above, or anyone else who's seem a band play amid the crowd rather than onstage, think about how many times those shows get stopped to ask people to step back a few feet. Imagine too many people swelling against 77 drum kits. And speaking of 77 drummers, this girl in line by us was freaking out because her boyfriend was "in the band" yet she was having trouble getting in. We laughed and imagined how large the VIP list was for such a large "band." I don't think 500 is at all out of line.

Posted by apologist | July 9, 2007 1:54 AM

how precious. your life was altered by your first toe dip into the avant garde performance world...

...but what about the people who waited in line for three hours and still didn't get in? that's some story to tell your kids.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 2:22 AM

All apologists since last evening = Jelly NYC people blackberrying each other to post in a transparent attempt to salvage their rep. Its too fishy - far too much message board interest in trying to overcome the chorus of well-deserved boos for the posts to be made by the hoi polloi.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 3:02 AM

my first toe dip into the avant garde performance world???? i dont know where you got that idea but i not gonna brag or argue over the amount of "avant garde" performances i've seen. but since you asked, im swimming in the deep end.

and that is some story to tell your kids, the moral is... you win some, you lose some.

next time a free event pops up in the city, arrive early. tell your kids to do the same.

if you dont get in, just remember.... it was free. they didn't promote an event for you. they promoted an event at a space they wanted to use, for the 1000 or however many people could fit in the space they were using.

and what i said about telling your kids about the performance... im just trying to shed some positive light on the situation. no need to knock the promoter. they offer alot of "free" events in the city. they do good things for good music, most cities aren't so lucky.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 3:12 AM

oh please, there's plenty of need to knock the promoters.

if you had a flawless day then you really don't have a valid opinion of how the rest of us should respond to this debacle.

p.s. new york had no shortage of free shows before any of these people came along...so if they can't handle their business in a professional manner then they should stick to their pool. also, let's not forget that jellynyc are the very people who manage dragons of zynth...that alone erases any "good" they've done for music.

...and adam shore/vice owes an explaination.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 3:56 AM

To recognize that the way this was handled was a travesty, one need not know exactly who is who in telling what/which facts are getting shaded how, etc. -- all that matters, true, but the known particulars and abiding consensus is what it is ...

And, Holy 777 Piles of Star*Flaming Shit, just THINK of how many better ways it could've been handled!

Old-fashioned match-yer-ID will-call; wrist-bands; leveling with waiting folks, etc., etc. ... any point in going on? No. But that the event organizers are accountable for an egregious lack of foresight, and should come as clean as poss on all? Oh yes.

THAT said -- wow, fresh YouTube clips really do suggest a pretty awesome spectacle. Fuckin' Eye, quite the shaman directing things from the ctr of that orchestrated drum storm, oc'ly whacking those seven amplified stringed necks; maybe I should've bussed up from Philly to watch on high from the B. Bridge after all ...

p.s. Back to some carping vibes: hey, shouldn't Eye have had seven strings on his seven suspended/tacked-up amplified neck things instead of, gulp, six? And didn't Our Beloved Boredoms kinda miss the boat here on 07/07/07 by not having 777 drummers in on this? You got the third seven for this one day in our lifetimes -- rise up, meet the challenge and USE it! (I know, sorta shitz & gigglez on that last point -- yes, it would've been phenomenal tho hardly practical, and a likely insurmountable logistical nightmare for various parties anywhere -- but, y'know, hmmmmmmm.)

For sure, howev, Boredoms SHOULD do this piece somewhere EVERY July 7th; you get yer 7-7 date annually, secure a suitable venue, work out all that org jazz, assemble yer 77 peoples and go .............................................................................

Posted by D*Star | July 9, 2007 4:27 AM

ok...i agree. I got in so my point of view doesn't matter to those who didn't.
I do think the RSVP thing is BS. I think the handing out of tickets for free shows is BS. If they want to keep having free events.... it should be on a first come, first serve basis.

Considering the amount of negative feedback on this board alone...they should just sell tickets. day of, small price, first come, first serve. not in line early enough...your beat.

i know that takes away from the idea of a free show but I usually dont even bother going to free events anymore because of this nonsense. this one was to good to pass up but tv on the radio will be back again. i'll buy a ticket. its easier. if i wanna stand in line for three hours in 90 degree heat, i'll take the bus to six flags.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:53 AM

the promoters flubbed it. how do you fuck up a will call list?

don't let them put on shows outside of their pool again - since obviously they don't know what they're doing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 7:55 AM

"Considering the amount of negative feedback on this board alone...they should just sell tickets. day of, small price"

or how about they just put on free shows and don't fuck them up?

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 7:57 AM

See, you know how to take the reservation, you just don't know how to *hold* the reservation and
that's really the most important part of the reservation, the holding. Anybody can just take them.

Posted by Jerry Seinfeld | July 9, 2007 10:08 AM

See, you know how to take the reservation, you just don't know how to *hold* the reservation and that's really the most important part of the reservation, the holding. Anybody can just take them.

Posted by Jerry Seinfeld | July 9, 2007 10:09 AM

I got in line a bit after 2:30 and got in about 2 hours later, met a bunch of friends there and had an amazing time. Absolutely worth it.

Posted by patrick | July 9, 2007 10:18 AM

knew it would be a nightmare, and didn't go

will d/l the DVD once it hits the 'net

<---- champion

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 10:23 AM

"btw- the park wasn't free, the JellyNYC dude said up above that there were fees, and the Boredoms did get paid. You're wrong on a lot of details here."

in his intro speech, adam said the park was donated by the conservancy and someone from vice said that the boredoms weren't paid. maybe they told me wrong.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 10:27 AM

re: "feet?"


try and keep your shoes on.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 11:09 AM

FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE fun

Posted by what evvvvvvvvvs | July 9, 2007 11:09 AM

maybe bitching helps ease the pain of wasting an afternoon in a line so long it was clear that many people weren't going to get in... but waiting anyway just in case.

here's one complaint so ridiculous it has to be for fun:

"even worse part of this situation - not just anyone can walk up to the city and get to use the McCarren Park Pool, or walk up to the state and use Brooklyn Bridge Park.

These people have access to these locations because of political connections - basic cronyism."

totally. vice and jelly own this town, through massive political donations. bloomberg's in their pocket.

christ, what time did you move to town on saterday?

as for switching the venue, a) the boredoms' mystical whatever required a venue on the water and b) maybe those in the back of the line should have considered taking an overhead view on the bridge or in the part of the park not set aside for the event. you don't HAVE to wait in an obviously over-capacity line.

whoever suggested this should have been handled by clearchannel spin-off live nation, why not go pay live nation $32 to see cat power and built to spill at the pool that same day instead?

Posted by anonymous | July 9, 2007 11:28 AM

Some of you people are the biggest whiners I've ever heard. Guess what? Concerts in New York (especially free, once-in-a-lifetime, outdoor shows) are pretty popular, and aren't set up to please only you. If you don't want hassle or the small annoyances that come with living in this city, stay the fuck home or move. Seriously.

The fact that some of you think that it wasn't full because "look at all the grass that's open!!" clearly don't know what you're talking about (there are specific capacity rules in effect in public parks). Those of you who think they should have "added another show" are even more idiotic.

This was a great event and, yes, there were some problems...not sure why some of you seem so shocked.

Posted by t | July 9, 2007 11:40 AM

Some of you people are the biggest whiners I've ever heard. Guess what? Concerts in New York (especially free, once-in-a-lifetime, outdoor shows) are pretty popular, and aren't set up to please only you. If you don't want hassle or the small annoyances that come with living in this city, stay the fuck home or move. Seriously.

The fact that some of you think that it wasn't full because "look at all the grass that's open!!" clearly don't know what you're talking about (there are specific capacity rules in effect in public parks). Those of you who think they should have "added another show" are even more idiotic.

This was a great event and, yes, there were some problems...not sure why some of you seem so shocked.

Posted by t | July 9, 2007 11:41 AM

on lines and bathrooms:

there actually was at least one portapotty available for people in line outside the park. i used it.

Posted by waited in line | July 9, 2007 11:59 AM

"whoever suggested this should have been handled by clearchannel spin-off live nation, why not go pay live nation $32 to see cat power and built to spill at the pool that same day instead?"

hey its called sarcasm...i was sticking up for jelly nyc. I said if the events are to small, move them to the great lawn in central park and have live nation take over.

here i'll repost it... read carfully.
"how about this,all of you boycott jelly nyc by not showing up to the mccarren pool parties. preferably the july 29th, TV on the Radio show. This way i have a better shot at getting in.
obviously this brooklyn community scene has gotten to large for the promoter to handle...
why dont they just move it to the great lawn in central park and have live nation take over.
as far as changing the venue...im no promoter but didnt you people see waynes world 2???

thanks jelly nyc and vice for making such a cool thing happen.

schwingggggggggg!!!!!"

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 12:16 PM

so did anybody actually hear any music?

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 1:03 PM

"try and keep your shoes on."

stop being a pussy.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 2:51 PM

"stop being a pussy"


better than being a c___

;)

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 3:03 PM

there were no bathrooms available for people who had to wait in a 3 hour long, completely unnecessary line.

Whoever said that there were bathrooms outside the park is lying, once again the promoter is in here misleading people in order to salvage their reputation.

PROMOTER - you fucked this up! admit that you got in over your head and stop lying to cover your ass!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 3:46 PM

It's simple: putting on a show like this is not rocket science. People have been putting on big free events for years, and not fucking them up. Making an event free does not somehow get the organizers off the hook for having to keep the event, you know, ORGANIZED.

Charging money wouldn't have changed the fact that JellyNYC didn't know how to run a show like this smoothly, free or otherwise. Free shows aren't the problem, this promoter is this problem.

The methods to making a big event run smoothly aren't secret. if you don't know what you're doing, then either pay for experienced advice or else turn down the gig because you can't handle the logistics.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 3:51 PM

making people wait in a pointless line for hours only to be turned away, with no bathrooms for the thousands of people made to wait

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:00 PM

not hiring enough workers, paid or unpaid, to deal with the onslaught

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:01 PM

being too cheap to pay for workers when volunteers didn't materialize

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:03 PM

not sending RSVP confirmations back to just the number reasonably approximating the # the park can accommodate

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:04 PM

procrastinating sending the RSVP responses until after 5 on the night before the show - and not making it clear before then whether RSVPs guaranteed entry or not

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:06 PM

portraying your organization as not-for-profit charity in order to not pay workers, and as a cover for obvious organization problems - when the promoters are actually pulling a large profit for themselves

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:08 PM

not managing the staff efficiently at all
- at least 40 people working, but somehow letting less than 3000 people in took 3(!) hours. WTF??

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:09 PM

gouging with food prices and allowing no ins and outs - forcing to buy from the company store after making people wait online for hours

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:11 PM

allowing an embarrassing amount of VIP list, while turning away people who waited in line for hours and followed all the inane RSVP rules

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:13 PM

these guys didn't (just) make rooky mistakes - they made greedy, lazy inept decisions

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:15 PM

"This was a great event and, yes, there were some problems...not sure why some of you seem so shocked."

I don't think this many people frustrated and annoyed after a show is typical at all. This was really spectacularly badly handled.

As great as the Boredoms were - these promoters did an unusually bad job of running their end.

All the "there are always problems" bs you can throw at it isn't going to change the fact that they fucked up.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:21 PM

no excuse for the RSVP system they used.

Really - totally not necessary - the only possible reason for making people RSVP is to know how many people to plan for.

but obviously, these dudes didn't plan at all, so that info went to nothin!

instead, the people "organizing" this thing just wanted to lead people on and gather up as many to add to their own publicity mailing list and to sell to marketers.

totally douchebagey

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:30 PM


There were NO BATHROOMS in line.

Clearly Vice and friends think this all went jiffy.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:34 PM

this thing was a fucking trainwreck.

yes - the mismanagement created a frustrating, hostile environment - from the overworked, unpaid staff, to the state park police, to the many disappointed people who played by the rules but were turned away even though hundreds of "VIP"'s were allowed in.

and yes - the hostile environment soured many people's enjoyment of this musically.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:44 PM

to what evvvvvvvvvs - 11:09

these people were only able to use the park for this thing because JellyNYC people are involved in Democratic party campaign fundraising and had helped out the Spitzer campaign in the Fall election.

just try to approach the state parks department for your own party - they'd laugh you right of their office.

So - if these people are going to get privileged, preferential use of our public parks for their FOR PROFIT event - then the least they could be expected of is to have a efficient, fair system for entry.

Instead, they just let in their VIP friends and told everyone else to eat shit and wait in line for three hours.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:58 PM

free show does not have to equal shitty planning and terrible management

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:01 PM

in other towns a free show is just that - a show you can walk right up to and not go through all this email address gathering, marketeer bullshit.

why didn't they just let people come into the park and call capacity / close the gate when they deemed it full?

no need for all this rsvp guestlist line bullshit - and the promoter here obviously managed to fuck all of that up anyway.

Whether that happens often or not (and in my experience, it's pretty rare that a promoter fucks up this bad) - there's no reason to even have an RSVP system. It didn't guarantee entry, it didn't prevent a long, long line.

what exactly did the RSVP thing accomplish aside form making everything more frustrating and complicated?

I guess the promoter must have made a good profit selling the email addresses to spammers.

Otherwise, why bring all this ill will onto yourself?

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:10 PM

They WEREN"T EVEN CHECKING NAMES OFF OF A LIST! THERE WAS NO LIST AT ALL! They were just letting people in one at a time after they had put a wristband on them. The RSVP was complete bullshit from day one! They had no names of anyone. This was a total first come event. The "rsvp list" was not just a farce, it was non-existant at the door!

Emails were collected for another purpose all together, and certainly not to reserve your place inside.

If they were not matching names against a list why only let people in one at a time to a free event? There were no tickets to check or scan, no names at all to check off and no reason whatsoever to keep everyone waiting so long. If there was no re-entry then WHY DID THEY NEED WRISTBANDS????

If this was a free non-ticketed event with no ultimately no list at the door, the gate should have just been open to the crowd until they reached capacity , or near capacity, then closed the gate.

That's not rocket science.

Allowing only one at a time entry to a free event in the park when there are ten thousand people outside? Ridiculous.

If they needed some kind of crowd control, they could have let people in ten at a time, this would have made the line move ten times faster. Or twenty at a time, twenty times faster, etc.

One at a time for NO REASON WHATSOEVER!

Next time I see ANYTHING listed as being presented by this promotor, I will think twice about going ANYWHERE NEAR IT!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:26 PM

They WEREN"T EVEN CHECKING NAMES OFF OF A LIST! THERE WAS NO LIST AT ALL! They were just letting people in one at a time after they had put a wristband on them. The RSVP was complete bullshit from day one! They had no names of anyone. This was a total first come event. The "rsvp list" was not just a farce, it was non-existant at the door!

Emails were collected for another purpose all together, and certainly not to reserve your place inside.

If they were not matching names against a list why only let people in one at a time to a free event? There were no tickets to check or scan, no names at all to check off and no reason whatsoever to keep everyone waiting so long. If there was no re-entry then WHY DID THEY NEED WRISTBANDS????

If this was a free non-ticketed event with no ultimately no list at the door, the gate should have just been open to the crowd until they reached capacity , or near capacity, then closed the gate.

That's not rocket science.

Allowing only one at a time entry to a free event in the park when there are ten thousand people outside? Ridiculous.

If they needed some kind of crowd control, they could have let people in ten at a time, this would have made the line move ten times faster. Or twenty at a time, twenty times faster, etc.

One at a time for NO REASON WHATSOEVER!

Next time I see ANYTHING listed as being presented by this promotor, I will think twice about going ANYWHERE NEAR IT!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:31 PM

JellyNYC = worst promotion company in NYC. Please don't let them use our parks for their events anymore!

at least Bowery Presents and Clear Channel ('Live Nation') do a competent job - and they also don't try to hide that they're in it for the money.

That JellyNYC tries to portray themselves as a community coalition / charity thing is totally insulting real community coalitions and charities, as well as insulting to their audience.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:41 PM

"there actually was at least one portapotty available for people in line outside the park. i used it."

there totally was NOT a bathroom for the line. you are completely full of shit

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:46 PM

ANYONE could have promoted these shows - it is not rocket science.

fire these JellyNYC fuckers and stop letting them use our parks!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:50 PM

"in his intro speech, adam said the park was donated by the conservancy and someone from vice said that the boredoms weren't paid. maybe they told me wrong."

if that's true, then JellyNYC and Vice are the only people who got paid on Saturday - not the taxpayers, who own the park, and not artists - Boredoms and their drummers - who really were the only people who deserved to be paid for their efforts.

How much profit did JellyNYC pull from a day of wasting many people's time, frustrating thousands?

It's our park that they used for their semi-private, largely VIP, totally commercial, for-profit shindig.

How much money did you make off of us, assholes??

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:56 PM

Thanks Jelly NYC for RUINING MY WEEKEND!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:57 PM

Thanks Jelly NYC for RUINING MY WEEKEND!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:57 PM

Thanks Jelly NYC for RUINING MY WEEKEND!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:57 PM

JELLY= WORST PROMOTION COMPANY EVER

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 5:59 PM

you know who this thread should be forwarded to?

American Apparel, Nike, Sapporo, and Helio

These are the companies whose dollars keep JellyNYC in business - they should know what sort of jackasses they're giving their money to.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 6:01 PM

they sold the RSVP email addresses to spammers!

they didn't even check the RSVP names at the door.

totally seedy scam shit going on there.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 6:04 PM

I think these guys should really look into getting jobs @ FEMA in the Bush Administration.

they'd fit right in.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 6:27 PM

hey all --

I am thinking of having JellyNYC promote my next event. Has anyone here had any experience with this promoter? I would love to make an informed decision about using their services.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 6:53 PM

the people working for jellyNyc totally had no idea what was going on - people were cutting in line and sneaking in and all kinds of bullshit. clearly, no-one bothered to train them or even show them the ropes of running the door.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 7:54 PM

THE MUSIC

The performance, in detail, for those who missed it.

15 minutes before it all started, there was a call for all the drummers to their drum sets. A program listed which drummer belonged to which drum, marked by a particular number.

Gradually, the drummers took their seats. The crowd, getting up from their picnics, started pushing towards the front. Another call to the missing drummers, who, at this point, have to squeeze their way through a 50to100-bodies thick circle to get to their drum set. The crowd was asked to sit down, to allow the people behind them to see.

With everyone in place, the performance began. Starting with The Boredoms' drummers, a particular sequence is played that each drummer subsequently mimics, moving by 4/4 counts along the coil.

The almost haunting, rhythmic repetition conjured up images of what I had read about religious tribal drumming sessions, which would last for hours on end, allowing participants to reach some kind of epiphanic bliss. The drummers were drenched with sweat, beating, pounding away. Though I'm sure they were all instructed to stick to the particular sequence of the moment, some added their own unique flourishes, barely noticeable on the grander scale, but audible at least to the immediate crowd.

The moment that literally took my breath away was when the drummers, after following several controlled, limited, basic drumming sequences, went absolutely insane. Banging, pounding to no particular beat except what was going on in their own heads. At the same fucking time. It was mind-blowing. Then it all ended just as quickly as it started. Then back to the patterned drumming. Back to the hypnotic beats. Back to the cymbals, whose swelling was dictated by The Eye. Being there, you really could not help but lose yourself in the music. The Eye's chanting, yelling, providing the fluid counterpart to the linear beats. 77 drummers, actually cooperating to form one sound. Faces transfixed. Heads bobbing. Feet tapping. Bodies bouncing in unison. All while the sun set behind the Brooklyn Bridge, bathing the entire scene in a golden light.

I'm sorry to everyone who wasn't there. But, to those who were, it was a beautiful, euphoric marriage of music, nature and humanity.

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To those who didn't get in, innocent question, why didn't you come early? At 2:30, like the e-mail said?

Posted by ilikedrums | July 9, 2007 8:04 PM

Boredoms and the 74 drummers - really special, beautiful event

Jelly NYC and Vice as promoters - maddeningly awful, derelict of their duties as organizers. Lots of other event organizers would have done this show (correctly) in a heartbeat - you guys should have turned down the offer if you couldn't pull it off.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2007 8:10 PM

the event was awesome. the rsvp had a enter at your own risk, be prepared to wait in line and possibly get rejected. so, if other people who really want to get in organized their morning and got there earlier, then good for them.

just from the buzz the days before, i had the sense that i had to protect my interests and get there as early as possible.

don't hate the sponsors, they made this a free event. if you don't like capitalism, choose another country to live in and put up with.

plenty of people watched from brooklyn bridge and had their own unique experience.

Posted by annie momus | July 9, 2007 10:52 PM

I bet the people responsible for the fucked-up aspects of the event are fat chicks.

Posted by blame it on fat chicks | July 10, 2007 3:05 AM

the only reason for the RSVP at all was to sell email addresses. They weren't checking names off the list at the door. RSVP didn't only not guarantee entry, it was completely a scam.

every detail of this event was milked or cash with no regard for the audience - aside from the free entry. Free shows aren't nearly as much of a novelty organizers would like us to believe here, either.

Anyone claiming that all the gouging and stealing email addresses and pointless waiting and VIP bullshit is inherent in the free show experience is very wrong. There are free shows happening all around NYC and all over the world that don't stoop to this level of crass commerciality or organizational clumsiness.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 3:06 AM

When I got kicked out of the park at 2:15 to stand in line, I passed a set of tables that were marked "A-D" "E-H" etc.

When I got in, the table was gone. Did they scrap the name checking at the last minute?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 10:07 AM

"To those who didn't get in, innocent question, why didn't you come early? At 2:30, like the e-mail said?"

Because some of us have LIVES. Not everyone has nothing to do with themselves. Anyone that can say the above clearly has no life and assumes that everyone else has none too. If the show started at approx. 7pm, that's nearly FIVE HOURS earlier than show time for a Free show in the park. Not everyone has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR ENTIRE DAY! Considering travel time as well, that's alot of time to have to be forced to commit to wasting on a beautiful Summer day for essentially what should be a non-problamatic event.

Most free events in the city no matter how popular are organized in ways to miminize the amount of wasted time for the customer base and to eliminate wasting AN ENTIRE AFTERNOON ON LINE AND THEN NOT GETTING IN.

When they have the free shows at castle Clinton in Battery Park which have a much more limited capacity because it's enclosed, they actually give out free tickets earlier in the day and then you can leave go about your day and return right before the show, so as NOT TO WASTE YOUR ENTIRE AFTERNOON.

Why didn't they just do that? By three o clock there were already more than capacity there on line. They could have just went down the line and wristbanded people and sent them away to come back at show time.

And to the perosn above who suggested that people should have "organized their morning better" to get in, well it's not about organizing your morning, it's about wasting your entire day.


Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 10:47 AM

"To those who didn't get in, innocent question, why didn't you come early? At 2:30, like the e-mail said?"

Because some of us have LIVES. Not everyone has nothing to do with themselves. Anyone that can say the above clearly has no life and assumes that everyone else has none too. If the show started at approx. 7pm, that's nearly FIVE HOURS earlier than show time for a Free show in the park. Not everyone has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR ENTIRE DAY! Considering travel time as well, that's alot of time to have to be forced to commit to wasting on a beautiful Summer day for essentially what should be a non-problamatic event.

Most free events in the city no matter how popular are organized in ways to miminize the amount of wasted time for the customer base and to eliminate wasting AN ENTIRE AFTERNOON ON LINE AND THEN NOT GETTING IN.

When they have the free shows at castle Clinton in Battery Park which have a much more limited capacity because it's enclosed, they actually give out free tickets earlier in the day and then you can leave go about your day and return right before the show, so as NOT TO WASTE YOUR ENTIRE AFTERNOON.

Why didn't they just do that? By three o clock there were already more than capacity there on line. They could have just went down the line and wristbanded people and sent them away to come back at show time.

And to the perosn above who suggested that people should have "organized their morning better" to get in, well it's not about organizing your morning, it's about wasting your entire day.


Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 10:47 AM

the only reason that this whole mess happened was because four things happened simultaneously: 1) it was a beautiful summer day, 2) the show was a hipster event that attracted younger people with nothing else to do all day, and 3) it was free. 4) The event organizers were not professional.

If any of the above were taken out of the situation, the situation would have been a lot different.

This heavily hyped event attracted younger hipsters in their 20's. This demographic tends to have more free time on their hands and less money. They are the ones who are willing and capable of waiting in line for five hours like sheep to get in free to something. Had this event catered to a slightly older crowd, people would have been less inclined or able to essentially "throw away" their day for something essentially as silly and ultimately non-important as this event. Conversly, if this had coast ten dollars admission, more than half of the people on line wouldn't be there even if they had to wait five minutes.

If it was raining, the line would have been shorter, but I'm sure the promotors wouldn't have done anything differently and let everyone wait in the pouring rain for five hours.

An event like this in a public park, should not be run by volounteers. If there were real performers, real park police and real fans, then there should have been real managment on site and not a bunch of hipsters in yellow t shirts who wasted their day as much as the hipsters on line.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 11:08 AM

If seeing Boredoms was the result, then thank God I didn't have a life that afternoon. I mean my God! You're right! What a waste of a beautiful Sunday afternoon! All that horrible picnicking and relaxing outdoors, on line then in the park. And for what? To see 77 drummers while those with actual lives post on a message board bemoaning how they missed it.

Posted by ilikedrums | July 10, 2007 11:10 AM

Jelly now has a VERRRRRY bad reputation in the Brooklyn music community

Way to go guys!

Hope those emails that you sold work for you better than your concert promoting does!

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 11:12 AM

10:47

wrong. it's not about wasting a day. it's about following directions. the email clearly said get there by 2:30 and that an RSVP didn't guarantee admission. stop whining and placing blame outside of yourself. you are at fault. deal with it and please shut the fuck up.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 11:13 AM

You mean you were picnicking on the line that you were waiting on for four and a half hours? Funny, I walked up and down the line and didn't see anyone picnicking on line. Actually, I didn't even see anyone sitting down OR relaxing. All I saw was thousands of people STANDING FOR HOURS worrying about weather or not they would get in.

And I'm posting on a message board on a Tuesday morning in my air conditioned apartment on the hottest day of the year, not on a beautiful Saturday morning when I could've been doing a million things rather than waiting on line all day to see the Boredoms. How boring.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 11:18 AM

I also saw the line at about 4pm. I've never seen a bunch of more miserable looking people. No one was having fun, no one was enjoying themselves. I hope the people that made it in had a better time. Clearly this event wasn't handled well.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 11:20 AM

funny.

i stood in line for a bit, then i sat. i had a book. i read a lot of pages. i had water. i drank the water. i brought a hat that i didn't have to wear too much, because for the most part, i was in the shade. it was a long time, but i was patient. i followed directions - the simple fucking directions and i didn't have any preconceptions: "get there early", "huge response","no guarantees of entry", etc. and i got in. simple.

follow directions and you would have too.

jesus, you little bitches are blowing this up to be worse than the holocaust, the trail of tears and the long march on burma trail combined. it sucked so much worse than death, huh? go fuck your senses of entitlement and your lousy fucking attitudes. i'm not saying that it was a flawless execution, but for fucksakes....some perspective would be nice.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 11:49 AM

Anon 11:13:

You seem to me to be one of the losers I am talking about with no life. I'm glad it worked out for you that you were able to drop everything you were planning or not planning to do in order to show up like a trained monkey at whatever time they suggested to wait around all freaking day to see the Boredoms and a bunch of drums. Me. if I was that interested in this nonsense, I would have gotten there at 1:30 and dropped all my other plans. So I am not at fault for my decisions, I just made a wiser one in my opinion than to show up at 2:30 and waster my entire day. So to each his own. However, since I do, ulnlike you, have a life, I can put into perspective that seeing the Boredoms surrounded by 77 drums is not worth waiting in line for all day. But I'm glad you had fun wasting your day and being a puppet of Jelly NYC. When they tell you to dance, don't forget to ask them "how high?

And regarding following directions, actually, this was a case of people following directions and getting SCREWED.

This email was sent very late in the game with information that was not even accurate anyway.

The email said after capacity, people would be let it on a one out one in basis. this as Brooklyn Vegan has clearly illustrated in it's arrowed photograph DID NOT HAPPEN. Long after the event started poeple were hanging around waiting in vein as people lefft and they were not allowed in.

Not only is everyone expected to have an entire day free to waste for this nonsense, but they are expected to be checking their email constantly in the eleventh hour for updated info?

I'm sure you had your laptop with you while you obsessivly checked your email while you waited in line all day.

You are a loser.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 11:54 AM

yeah some perspective.... how about this persepective.... waiting in line all day to see people palying drums is ridiculous.

It was just the Boredoms and a bunch of drums... not something that was worth all that effort and time and patience.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 11:58 AM

But complaining about how it wasn't worth all that effort and time and patience, is worth your time right now?

Some people prefer getting an entertaining performance out of their "wasted" time. While you obviously get more satisfaction wasting your time belittling other people's experiences.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 12:22 PM

"i stood in line for a bit, then i sat. i had a book. i read a lot of pages. i had water. i drank the water. i brought a hat that i didn't have to wear too much, because for the most part, i was in the shade. it was a long time, but i was patient. "

Wow! Sounds like you had tons of fun! You read a lot of pages! and ...you drank WATER!

Looks like I missed out on all the fun and excitement.

Me, I diddn't read any pages that day or drink any water.

What was I thinking not to get on that line?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 12:26 PM

"Some people prefer getting an entertaining performance out of their "wasted" time."

C'mon face it..... you only stood on line for all that time becuase it was free.

Most of the people that went to that thing were just being cheap.

There is no way that twelve thousand people would turn up for this if it had cost money.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 12:31 PM

I've been a Boredoms fan since @1990. I saw 3 amazing Boredoms shows in the 90s. I'm 42. I RSVP'd but got a blank response. Friends forwarded their RSVP with the warning to arrive early. After reading that, I knew absolutely that arriving after 3 would be too big a risk, so I planned ahead. I took the subway from 177th St. in the Bronx and got there at 2:45. I got in around 6. No one checked my name against any list. Waiting on line was totally worth it, and not such a hardship. 3 guys on line behind me shared their beers with me. Cops all over, but no one got busted for open containers.

The show itself was absolutley amazing, especially the cathartic release moment of all the drummers going ballistic at once. And that seven-necked guitar of Eye's sounded awesome when he hit that first giant F major chord.
A few of the complaints about the organizaton are valid, but bottom line is: you snooze, you lose.
If you think they could have changed the venue hours, days or even a week b4 the event you are not dealing from a full deck.

I hadn't seen the Boredoms since '99 and there was no way I was gonna miss this, so I got in.
You complainers had no clue, so you didn't.
Your having no clue cannot entirely be blamed on the organizers. They warned you. Everyone who got in "has a life" too.

Posted by moto azabu | July 10, 2007 12:32 PM

"If you think they could have changed the venue hours, days or even a week b4 the event you are not dealing from a full deck."

This is a ridiculous statement. When U2 played the same exact park several years ago, the venue was originally slated to be in Washington Square Park but it was switched to this park the morning of the show.

When Cheap Trick was to play in the bandshell at Central Park during the 90's, the police deemed the small area around the bandshell too small to accomodate the expected crowds and the show was changed to an INDOOR venue: Roseland on the very same day. The show was still free.

Many shows are switched at the eleventh hour. But in order to do this there mostly has to be a real promotor involved who has contacts and cooperation from the City and other venues.

Jelly NYC is an upstart unprofessional joke and probably couldn't have pulled off a switch of venues, as they clearly couldn't even handle the venue they already had.

"Your having no clue cannot entirely be blamed on the organizers. They warned you. "

Yes, but the warning came much too late. People were waiting and wating and waiting for RSVP confirmation emails for days, and then they send this this vague "Warning" email on the eve of the show. That's not playing with a real deck.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 12:48 PM

Neither U2 or Cheap Trick have 77 musicians who have to be arranged in a spiral over 114 feet in diameter, outdoors. How many places in the 5 buroughs can accomodate that on less than 24 hrs. notice? Yes, the City has over 1,700 parks, but few of those could accomodate such an event and of those, most have large events scheduled for Summer wkds months in advance. If it's so easy, you do it.

Posted by moto azabu | July 10, 2007 2:05 PM

you weren't checking the RSVP list, you were just arm banding the people who got in the line first.

So how did putting on 3000 armbands take 3 hours??

You had 40 people working for you, wtf??

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:18 PM

so they can arrange 77 drummers in a spiral over 114 feet in diameter in time but yet they couldn't manage to figure out how to get the audience in to see it properly.

They can set up a gigantic thing like that with 77 drum sets but they couldn't quite figure out how to get four thousand people inside in less than four hours.

How can a promotor figure out a way to built an intricate spiral of drum sets within a set time frame and yet let a crowd of ten thousand concert goers into the venue ONE AT A TIME?

Obviously ALL of the planning and brains and manpower went into putting the thing together inside, and no time or thought went into what was going on outside.

Bad Bad planning.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:25 PM

"Neither U2 or Cheap Trick have 77 musicians who have to be arranged in a spiral over 114 feet in diameter, outdoors."
I should have added: "by the Water, with room for over 3,000 attendees."
That leaves Battery Park, maybe. Not sure that's even big enough....And I've been on lines for Battery Park events and that's a much worse scene than Dumbo, by far.

Posted by moto azabu | July 10, 2007 2:29 PM

Pleasse someone tell me why they were even putting wristbands on people if this was a no entry event? Why on Earth did anyone even need to wear a wristband once inside? The wristband was as meaningless as the rsvp list.

A free event at a park means 1) you should just be able to walk in until it's full and then get turned away or
b) you should get a ticket or a wristband earlier in the day or the day before and return at showtime.

No need for rsvping and then wating for hours to get to the front of the line where they paid no attention to the stupid rsvp list and put a wristband on you so that you could go in with a wristband that didn't mean anything

Nonsence and a very inconsidreate policy that wasted EVERYONE's time. It wasted the time of the people that didn't get in and it also wasted the time of the people that did get in. There was absoluteley no reason for it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:30 PM

Pleasse someone tell me why they were even putting wristbands on people if this was a no entry event? Why on Earth did anyone even need to wear a wristband once inside? The wristband was as meaningless as the rsvp list.

A free event at a park means 1) you should just be able to walk in until it's full and then get turned away or
b) you should get a ticket or a wristband earlier in the day or the day before and return at showtime.

No need for rsvping and then wating for hours to get to the front of the line where they paid no attention to the stupid rsvp list and put a wristband on you so that you could go in with a wristband that didn't mean anything

Nonsence and a very inconsidreate policy that wasted EVERYONE's time. It wasted the time of the people that didn't get in and it also wasted the time of the people that did get in. There was absoluteley no reason for it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:30 PM

What happened at this thing was not a simple mater of get there by 2:30 and you were in, get there later and you got shut out.

This was a monstrous and insulting example of bad planning and inconsiderate organization.

Plenty of events sell out or reach capacity all the time in this city, turning away lots of would be attendees, but few if any have ever left as many people angry and pissed off as this one.

there are countless concerts by much much bigger artists that play venues much smaller than the number of people that want to get in. Most of the time, the time frame when people get in and people know they are not getting in is very short. And then the hords of people that don't get in go about their day and do something else and go on with their lives.

This was a four hour display of ridiculous unneccessary control over the crowd.

Shame on Jelly.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:38 PM

Hey Anonymous, quit your infantile bitching and just download the frickin mp3 already:
http://www.senspace.com/file/1xw7ca
put it on you ipod and go to a park you like somewhere, close your Eye's and imagine a life where everything goes perfectly according to your petty whims.

Posted by godzilla | July 10, 2007 2:38 PM

Hey Anonymous, quit your infantile bitching and just download the frickin mp3 already:
http://www.senspace.com/file/1xw7ca
put it on your ipod and go to a park you like somewhere, close your Eye's and imagine a life where everything goes perfectly according to your petty whims.

Posted by godzilla | July 10, 2007 2:39 PM

Hey Anonymous, quit your infantile bitching and just download the frickin mp3 already:
http://www.senspace.com/file/1xw7ca
put it on your ipod and go to a park you like somewhere, close your Eye's and imagine a life where everything goes perfectly according to your petty whims.

Posted by godzilla | July 10, 2007 2:39 PM

I meant No RE-ENTRY

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:40 PM

which Anonymous are you talking to, me or the other Anonymouses's?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:41 PM

which Anonymous are you talking to, me or the other Anonymouses's?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:42 PM

nothing about the "bitching" directed towards JellyNYC and this event has been "infantile" - all pretty informed and reasonable actually.

I have never seen this many people angry at promoter's missteps before, these people really, truly, dropped the ball on this one and they should admit as much.

More importantly, they shouldn't be hired to run shows again.

I hope someone is forwarding all of this discussion to the band's management, and to the sponsors who gave these promoters money.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:48 PM

I walked past the line at 4pm and actually felt sorry for everyone on line after I noticed that they were wristbanding people one by one and didn't have any list with them at the door.

Pretty offensive if you ask me. Which or course, you didn't.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:56 PM

"How can a promotor figure out a way to built an intricate spiral of drum sets within a set time frame and yet let a crowd of ten thousand concert goers into the venue ONE AT A TIME?"

this one's easy - there were enough passionate volunteers who wanted to help Boredoms and wanted to help set up drum kits for the drummers, the promoter had nothing to do with it. The drum and tech people worked it for the love.

what there wasn't was enough interested, well directed volunteers who wanted to work the door, for free, for four hours, for a for-profit promotion company who was making money off the event.

Maybe if the organizers knew what they were doing and had some scruples they would have maybe PAID qualified door workers rather than just let it ride on too few unpaid, inexperienced volunteers?

It's simple - these are SHITTY PROMOTERS. Don't hire them again.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:56 PM

Purple wristbands = 21 and over
Pink wristbands = under 21
Yellow wristbands = vip
Orange wristbands = press

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 2:59 PM

pardon me, the link I gave for the 77 BOADRUM mp3 b4 was messed up, but you can get it here:
http://www.burntsienna.nu/dishevel/archives/685
enough complaints, here by now, don't you think?
enjoy the show!

Posted by godzilla | July 10, 2007 3:08 PM

pardon me, the link I gave for the 77 BOADRUM mp3 b4 was messed up, but you can get it here:
http://www.burntsienna.nu/dishevel/archives/685
enough complaints here, by now, don't you think?
enjoy the show!

Posted by godzilla | July 10, 2007 3:09 PM

"enough complaints here, by now, don't you think?"

no. I haven't seen an apology or any kind of acknowledgment that they f-ed up from these promoters.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 3:14 PM

Weird. Comments from this thread that I posted seem to be vanishing.

Maybe it's just a weird computer glitch, and they'll reappear? Hmm.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 3:17 PM

how does a 3000 person line take 3-4 hours to get through?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 3:23 PM

"I haven't seen an apology"
They have nothing to apologize for. The show went better than you bitch-ass hipsters who can't take your lumps had any right to expect.
Or are you still waiting for all possible universes to apologize to you for making you a spoiled, whiny, miserable, stupid brat?
I'm so glad you didn't get in.

Posted by Hiro | July 10, 2007 3:24 PM

JELLYNYC / VICE SHOW THEIR LOVE OF THE AUDIENCE:

"you bitch-ass hipsters who can't take your lumps"

"quit your infantile bitching ... imagine a life where everything goes perfectly according to your petty whims."

"jesus, you little bitches are blowing this up to be worse than the holocaust, the trail of tears and the long march on burma trail combined. it sucked so much worse than death, huh? go fuck your senses of entitlement and your lousy fucking attitudes"

"everyone else who missed the FREE concert can suck it. anyone who said they got there at 2:30 and didn't get in is a liar or an idiot"

"stop whining and placing blame outside of yourself. you are at fault. deal with it and please shut the fuck up."

"you a spoiled, whiny, miserable, stupid brat"

JELLYNYC HEARTS *YOU*!

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 3:57 PM

I wonder which of the JellyNYC guys is the one with the bad temper...

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 4:13 PM

"enough complaints here, by now, don't you think?"

If I waited in line for four hours and didn't get in then I am entiled to four hours of complaining.

don't you think?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 4:54 PM

Yeah, it's the bitch ass hipsters trying to keep the grassroots JellyNYC/Vice coalition down. They're just doing it for the people! 77 Drums was that important. All these whiney complainers obviously just didn't have the endurance or foresight to deserve a magical purple ribbon on their wrist.

Don't you see the genius of Eye? He wanted you to experience sufferage in the lines, and experience heat and experience the rsvp computer mindfuck before you earened your right to experience the 77 drums. If you can't appreciate the extra lengths the promoters went to in order to give you that experience.

Unfortunately, no incidents of death occured on the bridge, but maybe they can work on that in time for 88 Oboes.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:00 PM

Purple wristbands = 21 and over
Pink wristbands = under 21
Yellow wristbands = vip
Orange wristbands = press

ANY wristbands= a complete waste of time.

If you are wristbanding people that are over 21, why the unnecessary wristbanding of people UNDER 21. It's pointless. Simply put, if you don't have a wristband you are under 21. That's how most real clubs do it. You only wistband the ones who can drink, not also the ones who can't. Complete waste of time and energy. Or, even simpler, they could have just carded you if and when you wanted a beer inside and not bothereed with wristbanding every potential drinker and non drinker ourtside the venue.

Press has their own press credentials and press badge (if they are real press, and if they aren't they shouldn't have gotten a press wristband then),

The only people that should have had a wristband were VIP. And the VIP list and entry was short and not the problem.

Wristbanding and IDing the entire general audience before entry was a horrible way to do things.


Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:01 PM

So there were four different colored wristbands that took forever to put on everyone and then ultimately everyone was sitting around a giant circle with different wristbands on.

What a complete waste of time the wristbands were. Just like the Rsvp list, in the end when the performance started the wristbands meant nothing.

Jelly are jackasses of the highest order.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:05 PM

So there were four different colored wristbands that took forever to put on everyone and then ultimately everyone was sitting around a giant circle with different wristbands on.

What a complete waste of time the wristbands were. Just like the Rsvp list, in the end when the performance started the wristbands meant nothing.

Jelly are jackasses of the highest order.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:05 PM

Someone should have been at the front gate and witnessed every thing that the promotors did, start their own promotion company doing everything the exact oppostite and we'd have a very successful and well run experience next time around.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:09 PM

for every hour that I waited on line needlessly I should be allowed to complain for an hour and a half. That's how much MY time is worth. So lets see, I should be complaing for six hours, starting..........now.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:11 PM

Why would you put on something of this magnitude and then need volunteers to run things?

That's just a recipe for disaster.

With the corporate sponsorship, there should be enough money to hire real people who know what they are doing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:13 PM

If Jelly NYC was a real company, the people who ran this and were in charge of admission would have been fired.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:13 PM

The only reason there wasn't a riot after they cut off the line is that the hipster kids are too lazy , self obsorbed and apathetic to really understand that they have been screwed over by the system.

If this were older folks or a different kind of audience there would have been no way that thousands of people would have been turned away peacefully without incident.

That being said, if this was an older or different type of crowd, thousands would never have willingly stood on line like nice little girls and boys waiting for the man to give them some ice cream.

You hipster kids are pathetic.

If they had added seven more drums woud you all have waited for another seven hours?

Probably.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:18 PM

i was upset a few days ago but now i'm like whatever. stfu about this event already. they're doing it next year on 8/8/08.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:41 PM

I am already saving the date of 8/09 to complain about not getting in.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:54 PM

and they can keep doing this every year until no one gives a shit anymore and when ten people show up on 10/10/10 people will scratch their heads and say remember when there was a whole big deal about getting into this silliness four years ago?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 5:56 PM

"If this were older folks or a different kind of audience there would have been no way that thousands of people would have been turned away peacefully without incident."

yeah, obese Midwesterners, unemployed auto workers, pre-schoolers, nuns, Gay and Lesbian activists, librarians or senior citizens would have rioted at not getting in to the free noise punk show, no doubt.

"self obsorbed"
angry illiterate bloggers rule!

"You hipster kids are pathetic."

I'm fairly certain 1,000s of attendees were in there 30s and 40s and I saw many inside who were older, as well as parents (with their kids).

I thought you couldn't wait on line for four hours on a Saturday afternoon because you "have a life" - but you can spend the better part of a Tuesday afternoon posting bitchy blogs on an obscure website?

You've totally lost it, loser.

Posted by Taku | July 10, 2007 6:00 PM

These are the same hipster kids that make fun of people who wait in line overnight to see Paul Mccartney but willingly have no problem waiting all afternoon for a bunch of no name drummers.

loser hipsters waiting in line all day and getting in to see the Boredoms= not that interesting.

loser hipsters waiting in line all day and not getting in= slightly more interesting, but still pretty uninteresting.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:00 PM

this event always seemed pretty darn pretentious to me from the get go- and that was BEFORE it took on the insane proportions it did. With all the hoopla surrounding it and all the problems people had getting in, it just became extra pretentious.

glad I didn't go anywhere near it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:02 PM

"as well as parents (with their kids)."

Any parent that makes their children wait in line all day to see a bunch of loud drums is equal to child abuse.

I'm fairly certain that any children that were there with thier parents were admitted VIp or such.

I didn't see any children on line.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:05 PM

It's never too late for self righteous promoters to start promoting. I think that's called viral marketing...and the buzz is the promoters are clueless.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:06 PM


most of the hipsters in Brooklyn now are newly transplanted young kids from elsewhere in the country who haven't been around here long enough to know when they are being screwed over or taken advantage of.

If this was a real Punk/Noise show real New York punk fans wouldn't have been so quiet and docile about waiting all day and then being turned away and having been lied to.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:09 PM

These promotors are getting the worst buzz around, and they deserve it. Totally.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:11 PM

Will next year's event be presented by the same company that did this one? I sure hope not.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:18 PM

i remember thinking goddamn this is so cool but when i was leaving i thought goddamn that was stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:30 PM

It really was nothing special in the end. A totally pretentious event.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:35 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed it! Even the food was good!Thanks to everyone involved for their hard work and patience.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:49 PM

I live with my mother and hate people who have more fun than me.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:51 PM

I remember waiting on line thinking I'm so cool, then when I didn't get in because I showed up too late I realized I'm so stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:54 PM

I will pay $60 for tickets to Paul McCartney and wait on line all night for his show because I know what really non-corporate, original music is worth.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 6:56 PM

Would somebody please kill me and put me out of my misery because JellyNYC and Vice wasted my Saturday afternoon when i could have been home watching LiveEarth and blogging about how people who enjoy free concerts outdoors are idiots?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 7:03 PM

"I didn't see any children on line."
You must be the same person who didn't see anyone picnicing, reading or sitting down on the line because you're fucking blind!

Posted by Jah Rasta Far Eye | July 10, 2007 7:17 PM

"most of the hipsters in Brooklyn now are newly transplanted young kids from elsewhere in the country who haven't been around here long enough to know when they are being screwed over or taken advantage of."

So true, only bitter old fucks who've never been outside of NY State could possibly know when they are being screwed over or taken advantage of and only newly transplanted young kids from elsewhere in the country have the hipster cred, money to moxy to get an apartment in Brooklyn.

I'm totally clueless!

Posted by anonamuss | July 10, 2007 7:39 PM

COMMENT #300!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Posted by abominous | July 10, 2007 11:03 PM

Sorry for being late in the Vice/JellyNYC hate.

I don't read this blog, so I wasn't aware of all the issues. I received a blank e-mail at 8:04 PM on Friday. No confirmation, no denial, just some html inside an email, that's it. I went to the Vice website, and they had no warning or times listed. I remember reading the concert was supposed to start at 5pm, so I got there "super early" at 3:30pm. I assumed 1 1/2 hours early would be enough. 90 minutes early for any concert is very early. Got to the venue and saw the huge line, so I got in it. I discovered the line was the VIP line. There must have been way over a 100 people in the VIP line. I went to the RSVP line and waited. And waited. And waited. Over 2 1/2 hours later, we were told the venue was at capacity.

I was never informed of all the problems. My email from Vice was blank. I only read some of the comments, and others had the same problem. What a mess. I was mad for missing the show, but I was especially mad for waiting 2 1/2 hours for nothing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2007 11:53 PM

hahahah yeah i originally was standing in the vip line too. quickly got my ass on the rsvp and still didn't get in!

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 1:18 AM

"I am already saving the date of 8/09 to complain about not getting in."

LOL

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 2:39 AM

where's that apology, JellyNYC?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 3:44 AM

JellyNYC and Vice most sincerely apologize to the loser who keeps whining on Brooklyvegan.com. We are sorry you have nothing better to do than to continue whining and crying like a bitch four days later over not getting in to a free event with limited attendance. We are sorry you seem to think you are owed an apology for your own bad luck. We are sorry we have to share this planet with morons like you. Most of all, we are sorry you paid $300 for Paul McCartney tickets and waited on line over night for his show, but he didn't play "Monberry Moon Delight".

Posted by JellyNYC | July 11, 2007 11:00 AM

JellyNYC and Vice most sincerely apologize to the loser who keeps whining on Brooklyvegan.com. We are sorry you have nothing better to do than to continue whining and crying like a bitch four days later over not getting in to a free event with limited attendance. We are sorry you seem to think you are owed an apology for your own bad luck. We are sorry we have to share this planet with morons like you. Most of all, we are sorry you paid $300 for Paul McCartney tickets and waited on line over night for his show, but he didn't play "Monkberry Moon Delight".

Posted by JellyNYC | July 11, 2007 11:00 AM

The Paul McCartney show was free, not $300 dollars, and they were professional and gave out vouchers the night before and told people to come back at noon the next day to get a wristband and then after that they just had to come back to the show at 9pm that night. This so that people didn't have wait all night, or all day. The people that didn't get anything knew very quickly and that was that. Either in or out.

At 4pm the day of the Boredoms drums, they were already over capacity outside. That's three hours before the start time. Why couldn't they have just wristbanded to capacity and then sent eveyone else home?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 11:49 AM

"most sincerely apologize to the loser "

there are hundreds of different people pissed at you guys on this thread dude! if you're comforting yourselves by thinking this is all one lone nut, you are bigger fools than everybody already thinks you are.

I guess the JellyNYC people are oblivious to how fucked their reputation is after this debacle.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 12:13 PM

yeah i was thinking same thing, no way this shit would go down like this if this was 1987 brooklyn. now, everybodys too worried about being arrested. there was one guy screaming and yelling, and he was 45. so you made a good point, young people, they are so mellow these days.

you think those guys sleep well at night after this? i guess you can still yell at them when you go down to mccarren pool. piss on their sign or something, if that makes you feel better, haha.

Posted by nyc noise fan | July 11, 2007 12:14 PM

It should be obvious to anyone but a complete idiot that I am not JellyNYC any more than
"hundreds of different people" all share the ridiculous name "Anonymous".

Nevertheless, We suspect that most of these "Anonymous" impostors are one and the same person who has 154 drumsticks up his ass
because he put one in every time he posted a complaint.

Posted by JellyNYC | July 11, 2007 1:35 PM

I am going to be putting together a hipster event called 999 Wind Chimes. There will be nine hundred and ninety nine wind Chimmers all sitting in a rectangular box with their asses pointed upwards towards the sky on September 9, 2009 . I will then parner with Jelly NYC to promote and handle the event. Come show time we will be distributing colored wristbands to everyone on line based on the color of the t shirt they are wearing. Someone wearing a blue shirt will get a blue wrsitband, a red shirt, a red wristband, etc. Don't worry though, we will have a wrsitband for every color there is. If however, someone shows up with a colored t shirt on that we don't have a wrstiband of, we will simply hold up the line until we can have that color wristband made back at the factory.
we will then send confirmation emails to the RSVP list the day after the event to everyone that wore purple socks.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 1:53 PM

Can we please start blaming Vice for this? The broken RSVP system was hosted on their site. And the comments defending the poor event planning seem to be written in their editorial voice, i.e. condescending, caustic, and just plain nasty.

A show being free is not an excuse for it to be disastrously mismanaged. Beautiful summer afternoons valuable, too.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 2:02 PM

"Monkberry Moon Delight" is a great song!

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 2:04 PM

Okay I also blame Vice for this.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 2:08 PM

and RAM is a great album!

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 2:09 PM

the RSVP system was through Going.com - they pay promoters to use their system, so they can sell the email addresses.

That's what happened here.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 2:24 PM

great, so not only did I spend hours for nothing, but I got used as a pawn in a for-profit game.

Nice.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 2:31 PM

going.com is where the rsvp for the pool parties goes through, the site for the boredoms was a vice site wasn't it??

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 2:34 PM

so when will everyone get over this?

I'm sure Jelly's heard plenty of complaints already and will probably not let this happen again.

Move on with your lives that you're all talking about.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 2:46 PM

honestly i think a public apology would go a long way to soothing peoples egos. its really the best path. dont they have anyone working for them with a brain that would step up and take the heat? otherwise, people have long memories. just think big lebowski...

Posted by nyc noise fan | July 11, 2007 2:55 PM

"------------
"as well as parents (with their kids)."

Any parent that makes their children wait in line all day to see a bunch of loud drums is equal to child abuse.

I'm fairly certain that any children that were there with thier parents were admitted VIp or such.

I didn't see any children on line.
--------------"

As a parent who was there with his kid, I have to say this is one of the funniest (funny-peculiar AND funny-haha) comments I have ever read on this blog. My kid had a great time and it was a once-in-a-lifetime experience (8/8/08 notwithstanding). Your definition of child abuse is either quite amusing or quite offensive, not sure which. Probably both.

Keep 'em coming though, this thread has kept me entertained for days now...

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 3:14 PM

Too many people going underground
Too many reaching for a piece of cake
Too many people pulled and pushed around
Too many waiting for that lucky break

Posted by PaulMcCartney | July 11, 2007 3:36 PM

Come to think of it, didn't I see Paul McCartney in line yelling at the JellyNYC guys for not letting him in? To make matters worse, his kid was with him! Somebody better cite him for child abuse...

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 3:50 PM

That picture at the top of the page, I mean that kid in the picture at the top of the page, really, is soooo adorable!
And did you see the kid at the show who had the blue 'BOREDOMS' shirt on, and ear protecting headphones!
Too cute!
I noticed a few kids at the show having a great time.
Child abuse is a serious problem, but not one any of those kids appeared to have.

Posted by ANGRY JERK | July 11, 2007 4:07 PM


Well now that someone has posted rude comments under the guise of the promoter, and we've all made the assumption that many other posts were actually done by associates of the promoters ... it would see anyone with half a brain would be obligated to release a statement of regret just for the sake of public relations.

Being that these promoters obviously do not have half a brain, and they can't seperate their elitism, from their business sense (and yes, this was a for profit venture that exploited NY resources for personal gain) I don't think we should hold our breath.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 4:19 PM

"going.com is where the rsvp for the pool parties goes through, the site for the boredoms was a vice site wasn't it??"

it was still handled through Going.com

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 4:31 PM

"I'm sure Jelly's heard plenty of complaints already and will probably not let this happen again."

I've seen absolutely no indication that they've learned a damn thing.

All I've seen on here are some really nasty comments telling us "complainers" that we're whiners who can go get fucked.

Since nobody who';s not the promoter would possibly take this as personally as that - I'm left with the crystal clear indication that the promoter here thinks our complaints mean nothing and that we can all go get fucked.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 4:35 PM

The photo at the top of the page was posted prior to 77 Drums. It's not from the event.

While there may have been some children in attendance, this was by no means a typical New York free Summer event which caters to people of all ages. JellyNYC is not for the children. Very few families or neighborhood residents at this event. It didn't serve the community.

Anyway, the promoters have had ample time to respond, so it's time we let the powers that be aware:

File an online complain here:
http://nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildpr.html
Adrian Benepe, Commissioner, Dept. of Parks and Recreation

Carol Ash - Commissioner of the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation and State Historic Preservation Officer.

New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation
Empire State Plaza
Agency Building 1
Albany NY, 12238
(518) 474-0456
(518) 486-1899 TDD

New York City regional office (212) 866-3100
Empire-Fulton Ferry State Park (718) 858-4708


Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 4:37 PM

RE: My kid had a great time

Ok, but you neglected to address the main issue here.... Exactly how long did you make your child wait in line? Because pretty much anyone who got in that was on the regular line had to wait for at least three hours.

And exactly how old is your child? You didn't mention that either. That makes a big difference too.

If your child was very young and was forced to wait that long then I'm sorry, most people would consider that child abuse.

Why don't you clarify these two major points before you go on defensively telling everyone here how great a parent you are and how entertained you are by our comments.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 4:46 PM

"Ok, but you neglected to address the main issue here.... Exactly how long did you make your child wait in line? Because pretty much anyone who got in that was on the regular line had to wait for at least three hours."

have you every been to disney?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 4:58 PM

shut up about the child abuse thing already. making a kid hang out for 3 hours isn't child abuse, and this parent can choose to do whatever he wants, short of actual, real abuse, with his child. That's what it means to be a parent - stay out of this dude's business, bud.

BUT - that doesn't mean it was cool for the promoters to make everyone wait for 3 hours in a long, disorganized, pointless line, and nor was it cool for them to claim they were putting together an RSVP list - only to completely disregard it and sell the addresses to spammers.

While that isn't child abuse, it was an enormous abuse of -thousands- of people's valuable time, and trust.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 5:14 PM

"It should be obvious to anyone but a complete idiot that I am not JellyNYC any more than "hundreds of different people" all share the ridiculous name "Anonymous"."

umm, dude - are you really stupid or just not aware that "Anonymous" is the name the comment system AUTOMATICALLY throws on comments when you don't enter a name?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 5:41 PM

comment #333 about 777 Boadrums

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 5:56 PM

"are you really stupid or just not aware"
neither. which are you: oblivious to sarcasm or too literal minded to understand humor?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 6:01 PM

umm, dude - am I really stupid or just not aware that "JellyNYC" is a name anyone can type into the name blank?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 6:04 PM

umm, dude - I think I just shit my pants laughing at myself for being such a complete moron.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 6:07 PM

umm, dude - will you teach me the mysterious ways of the internets, oh, wise and superior intellect?

Posted by Anonanonanonanonymousmous | July 11, 2007 6:10 PM

"any more than "hundreds of different people" all share the ridiculous name "Anonymous"."

see, here is your problem: if you understood the English language, you would know that the 'speaker' of these words is well aware that "Anonyomous" is not anyone-in-question's name, but the name supplied by the post function as a formality when no name has been provided...in other words, you can't comprehend written English.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2007 6:30 PM

"If your child was very young and was forced to wait that long then I'm sorry, most people would consider that child abuse."

spoken like an only child from the upper-middle class suburbs. it's not like the kid was muzzled or strapped down against his will. what a pathetic comment.

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2007 9:26 AM

O.K. Finally, Vice and JellyNYC have apologized to me personally and gave me a check for $0.43 for my pain and suffering, so I will stop complaining. I admit, I alone posted at least 200 of the compaints here. But no more. I am happy now.

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2007 9:51 AM

"which are you: oblivious to sarcasm or too literal minded to understand humor?"

and what part of that statement you made was funny at all?

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2007 11:13 AM

"I am not JellyNYC any more than
"hundreds of different people" all share the ridiculous name "Anonymous"."

I thought it was pretty funny, but, "Nevermind. Forget it, you wouldn't understand anyway"

Posted by Flipper | July 12, 2007 12:04 PM

all i had to do was wait directly outside of the gate for 15 mins, at around 5:30 for my friend to pass me two yellow bracelets through the fence(and i leaned on/reached over the vip table itself to do this, no less). he knew someone who knew someone who knew someone who knew someone...

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2007 2:39 AM

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