i havent been this excited since.... last time the boredoms came to town.

holy shit. can't wait.

RSVP list is full, has been for days.

this is going to own

I wonder how it will sound, and look, if viewed from above on the pedestrian walkway of the Manhattan Bridge.

"RSVP list is full, has been for days."

wrong. It's just broken.

i can't wait!

Did anyone get a response to their rsvp?

RSVPed a couple of weeks ago and didn't hear back.

sunny day in glasgow at cakeshop tonight is my winner for the weekend's best! they rule!

the website is down because a hacker accessed the server and deleted the rsvp list, suckers.

yeah, i rsvped a couple of weeks ago also, and never heard anything back.

i haven't been to this park... is there still enough room if i crash it? i'm crashing it regardless. this is too important and wonderful to miss.

THEY NEED TO RESPOND TO MY RSvp!!!
im gonna try to kidnap bryan chippendale
just kidding, kind of

i'm gonna kidnap travis harrison

Well, there was no response that went out. If people RSVPed when the show was announced earlier this week, then they are on the list. The whole server, including viceland, is down due to a problem with our ISP. We are figuring it out and it should be up soon. Sorry - thanks, and the event is going to be loud and rad.

The Cobra Snake kicked the server!

is this the same park u2 played a couple of years ago? if so, i wouldn't worry about capacity issues. even that didnt seem crowded.

The server is back up. You can RSVP now!

vice man.. any official gates open/drumming starts times?? thank you muchly

can anybody actually RSVP? When i go to RSVP it tells me there's an internal server error...

How is this RSVP working? As in, what is the point of RSVPs? There is also no privacy policy for our emails!

everyone complaining about RSVP....just show up at 4pm! thats when it starts....its not like 5000 people are gonna be there...i bet at the most there will be like 2000 people, there will be plenty of space for everyone to see this magical event!

That list goes only up to 74. And what do the asterisks signify?

Gracias a BV for this forum, only place I've been able to find any more (breaking) Boadrum info. Like many here, I've been trying to RSVP as directed and getting no confirmation -- in fact, my screen would go/stay blank after hitting send on the Vice site's form ... familiar scenario? This happened two weeks ago, in the last few days, and earlier today. Admittedly, kinda felt like an ass sending for the RSVP thing so many times, wondering: a) Does my name keep getting repeatedly added to a list? b) Given large capacity at park, does it even matter to bother?

I hope it does not matter. Taking a Sat. morn bus up from Delaware; looking for optimism, if not outright confirmation ...

Just read/copied this that came on screen post-send, when RSVPing after reading (here) that site was up and working:

"Thank you. We are nearly at capacity and may not be able to accommodate everyone who RSVPs. We will be sending out confirmation emails on Friday. Note that we are still looking for volunteers and all volunteers will be admitted."

Cool of Vice to org./coordinate this whole thing but some earlier info in recent days on what the frig was going on cyber-/otherwise would've helped.
Here's hoping all goes well tomorrow but if anybody shows who RSVP'd weeks/days ago (and got zilch in feedback) and gets denied at any gate, etc. -- hell to pay ...

"That list goes only up to 74. "

other three drummers are members of Boredoms

Does anybody know if the RSVP's were sent? I have tried to contact the park several times with no response. I am flying in from Ohio to see this show. I have tried to RSVP several times in the past couple weeks. Now I am nervous I don't have a shot at getting in...can the Vice person respond?

jim sykes is a badass drummer, look out for him!

Shoulda used this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjhylyA_OR8

no way this one's better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14Mx-EOCDg

alan licht??? oh come on

Thank you for RSVPing to tomorrow's BOREDOMS 77BOADRUM performance.
Your name has been added to the RSVP list for the event. HOWEVER, the RSVP response has been overwhelming - which means that we CANNOT guarantee admission, except on a first come-first served basis. We cannot overstate this: Not everyone will be allowed in.

The line will begin at the corner of New Dock and Water Street at 2:30pm. Please do NOT arrive before 2:30pm as the police stationed there will ask you to move along. Doors will open at 4pm. After we hit capacity, we can only admit you on a one-in, one-out basis.

PLEASE BE PREPARED TO WAIT, OR TO BE TURNED AWAY.

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Use of public transport is highly recommended. The closest MTA stops are York Street on the F train, Clark Street on the 2 and the 3 trains, and Cadman Plaza on the A and C trains.

Starting at 4pm will be DJ sets by Gang Gang Dance, and live performances from Soft Circle and First Nation. 77BOADRUM will begin at 7pm and end with the sunset.

BOREDOMS request that you leave your cameras at home for 77BOADRUM. In their words, "We want people to remember in their mind, not in their camera." It's looking like it will be beautiful day so remember to bring sunscreen.

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Since you'll be in the neighborhood, it's worth mentioning that Nike and PowerHouse have a show opening the same day as 77BOADRUM, just around the corner. RE-RUN: A contemporary installation inspired by the renegade spirit and energy of running in the 1970s, including photographs, graphics and a series of specially-commission artworks.
The PowerHouse Arena
37 Main Street, DUMBO, Brooklyn
Exhibition runs July 7 - 22, 2007, open to the public 12pm - 7pm daily.

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Also opening is The 5th Annual Vice Photo Show at BICA in Williamsburg. Open daily Wednesday through Sunday from July 7th - August 5th. Copies of Vice Photo Issue available at BICA for the duration of the show.
BICA: 184 Broadway (at Driggs, across from Peter Luger). Williamsburg, Brooklyn

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After the performance you're invited to the official 77BOADRUM afterparty: FIXED at Studio B (259 Banker St, Brooklyn). It's the JUSTICE † record release party with live performance from Simian Mobile Disco. $12

pkay im starting freak the fuck out..
i've RSV'Ped 3times already...i have yet to get any conformation...what the hell is going on? i need some infor im dying over here...who has info...why is vice not on top of this shit...its a goddman park how can it reach capacity..i need answers..please SOMEONE ANYONE have answers

dude... read the anon 5:40 post. The show is first come/first served. Answers. Voila.

check your spam folder. gmail sent my confirmation there.

it's cool that this story is tagged "andrew wk"

i mean, without him, what is this worth?

andrew w.k.? seriously...

just got my RSVP!

check yr inboxes ppl

Anyone think you can show up without an RSVP and get in? I haven't gotten a confirmation email (I have been planning the event for months but found out about the RSVP at the last minute) and it's a 7 hour drive for me...I'm really paranoid about not getting in.

"BOREDOMS request that you leave your cameras at home for 77BOADRUM. In their words, "We want people to remember in their mind, not in their camera."

I wonder if that will be enforced at the gate? Sure we'd love to remember it in our minds, but not everyone can make it! It should also be quite a spectacle to take pics of, and would make one hell of a blog entry!

I got a confirmation email from Viceland Events last night at around 8pm - but its blank. Anyone else have this happen?

Will there be an RSPV list at the door at this point or will it be 1st come/served as idicated above?

I got a confirmation email from Viceland Events last night at around 8pm - but its blank. Anyone else have this happen?

Will there be an RSPV list at the door at this point or will it be 1st come/served as idicated above?

i got no confirmation yet and and my girlfriend did although we RSVPed almost at the same time. very annoying.

"I wonder if that will be enforced at the gate? Sure we'd love to remember it in our minds, but not everyone can make it! It should also be quite a spectacle to take pics of, and would make one hell of a blog entry!"

They specifically ask to leave your camera at home, and here you are second-guessing their judgement. WTF?!?

PLEASE, NO CAMERAS.

though im sure Vice will be filming it for a dvd or VBS or some shit

so are people really gonna start lining up at 2:30?? if the park has such huge capacity, what's the point??

looks pretty small from the satellite photo...

i live nearby. the park is big but not huge.

Can someone post from the park re crowd sitch, headed there now

I am inside on the lawn right now. sit-space is going fast near the drum circle, but it is a large space and there are sections where you can spread out. don't have a sense yet if anyone's being turned away, people are still coming in no problem. good luck all.

I am inside on the lawn right now. sit-space is going fast near the drum circle, but it is a large space and there are sections where you can spread out. don't have a sense yet if anyone's being turned away, people are still coming in no problem. good luck all.

I am inside on the lawn right now. sit-space is going fast near the drum circle, but it is a large space and there are sections where you can spread out. don't have a sense yet if anyone's being turned away, people are still coming in no problem. good luck all.

the park is filling up, there are probably several *thousand* people in line, definitely a lot of those people will end up turned away.

the line was like 10 blocks long...i didn't even try

The line was about half mile long.

heard a rumour they are doing it SUNDAY as well?????

come on. you can't be serious about SUNDAY... I seriously doubt that.

There had to have been two or three times the capacity of that park there. I waited FOREVER and didn't get in. Pretty disappointing. Was it good inside? Listened to it from outside the gates and didn't love it.

I didn't make it in either. Pretty messed up since that Asian woman walking around telling everyone they're good to get in. I was right near the door ready to go and enjoy the show. I waited four hours and nothing. Heard it by the rocks and thought it sounded decent.

this was poorly conducted by jellynyc. they can go fuck themselves. felt like i was waiting in line for paris hilton or some shit.

I too read something that mentioned a Sunday show, but you can't just add a second day without a park permit, so it's very unlikely.

Pretty crummy that they asked for a meaningless RSVP then asked for people to show up at 2:30 for a 7:00 performance, and then still turned people away when the show wasn't even close to being at capacity. People have room to sprawl out, with large areas just empty. Someone should be accountable.

I doubt they'd add a second show. I mean, this show was a failure in organization. If they do a Sunday show, you best believe they need to change their shit up.

i shed more tears for 20 year fans listening from the curb than i do nyc hipsters. however, if you didn't smell a mess coming last week, no pity. esp with the whole "dont film the boredoms, let vice do it and then sell it to you for $50".

It sounded fairly good from the Brooklyn Bridge. But, man, how pissed we were to see all of that beautiful green grass with no asses on it. At least a few hundred more people could have easily been let in.

Waiting 5 hours for the musical event of the year was more than worth it. A+.

jesus christ, what a mess. I thought the policy would be one in one out, once capacity was reached, but apparantly not. 4 hours in line for nothing.

jesus christ, what a mess. I thought the policy would be one in one out, once capacity was reached, but apparantly not. 4 hours in line for nothing.

jesus christ, what a mess. I thought the policy would be one in one out, once capacity was reached, but apparantly not. 4 hours in line for nothing.

i think about 2000 people were turned away....what a waste of time...got there a little before 4 and no way of getting in.....please have another show tomorrow!

They could have easily fit everyone who showed. We're talking about The Boredoms performing a drum spectacle, not U2.

I'd say only 1000 people at best made it inside. I would also say this hype delivered about as much as the iphone. Pretty cool, but full of problems. Also, I could have done without the second measure.

Bullshit.

Listened by the rocks.

http://flickr.com/photos/jberg/sets/72157600709263593/

photos

the park was at capacity. there were 4000 total people inside. it is an 8 acre park, NOT a 50,000 square foot pool. the people who began to line up at 2:30 for 4:00 doors all got in. every square inch of grass cannot possibly be covered by bodies, it's just not allowed.
those who couldn't get in took it to the bridge and had an awesome view.
congrats to all the people invloved -- all the talent & producers -- this was an incredible free event. just incredible.

the park was at capacity. there were 4000 total people inside. it is an 8 acre park, NOT a 50,000 square foot pool. the people who began to line up at 2:30 for 4:00 doors all got in. every square inch of grass cannot possibly be covered by bodies, it's just not allowed.
those who couldn't get in took it to the bridge and had an awesome view.
congrats to all the people invloved -- all the talent & producers -- this was an incredible free event. just incredible.

really a beautiful musically and as a spectacle, albeit a little messy with the choreography, but nice.

the organization logistics of the day were hapless and amateurish though.

whoever they hired to promote and pull off this thing are totally clueless asses.

WTF - they couldn't make the # of peopled RSVP'd the same as the # of people the park can hold?? They could make a simple will-call line move faster than that ridiculousness??

What fucking dumbasses!

never have missed any new york Boredoms shows since '94 but yesterday I did. I started to wait from around 3pm and turned away at 6:30. very disappointed.

Park capacity: 4,000
Number of VIP (guest list): 1,000
Number of RSVPs: 16,000 and they shut it off two days in advance before they got another few thousand

yesterday was truly a triumph for music, nike, and american apparel

thanks for the pictures Jason, they are excellent.

anytime birdboy, anytime.

we showed up at 2:50 and by the time we got in (3+ hours later), they had already admitted 3000 people. it would have been SO much better if they handed out wristbands starting at 2:30 until they handed out 3-4000. that way the people at the tail end of the line wouldn't have to wait in the sun for 4 hours just to be turned away.

about the performance...i actually teared up at one point. i watched from several different angles and each angle was kind of a different experience. it was amazing and i'm so thankful that i was able to witness it.

Whose fault was it: Vice or JellyNYC? They should never be allowed to put on such a large scale event again.

All this for a hippie fucking drum circle!?

the crowd was 800 people, at best. the majority of those were probably VIP listed, which is why the promoters will try and spin this.

there is absolutely no possible way they let in 3000 people.

the park was nowhere near full when they closed the doors, we saw from up on the bridge, id say maybe 2000 people inside that would be generous.

i dont have a problem so much that we didnt get in, but the way it was handled. i got on the line at around 3:15. about 500 people in front of me didnt get in either. when they were chasing people away we just turned the corner.

my problem is with the people who made us wait for 4 hours, 4 goddamn hours for nothing, and meanwhile like someone mentioned, a person came around at 4 pm and said if youve got rsvp youre in. 4 goddamn hours to get 2 or even 3 thousand people in? dont fucking prolong the inevitable, get people in and that it tell the rest sorry find something else to do with your afternoon.

great as a concept and pretty great to see in action, kudos to Boredoms for imagining it and pulling it off.

fucking absolutely stupid as shit as a logistical event though - the promoters/organizers totally dropped the ball.

People waiting in line for over 2 hours and *then* getting turned away?? You already know how many people the fucking park can hold - just quickly count out that many people and tell everybody else sorry, for fucksake! why waste people's time??

And couldn't the goddamn line have moved faster than 2 fucking hours wait time??

Can't these people count - only RSVP the number of people who can actually get in, and only have that number of people wait online - it's simplicity in itself!

I echo the what somebody said above - JellyNYC should never be allowed to put on such a large scale event again.

Anonymous 11:58-

you really have no clue. the drumming was pure rock and roll. just watch the videos.

I started a dummy gmail email account in order to RSVP from- checked it today and that email account is already getting spam.

They sold my fucking email address, but yet I waited in line and they wouldn't let me into their goddamn concert.

When you ask for an RSVP, it's to get a sense of how many people to expect at your party. The whole world was invited to this event and I'm guessing Vice/Jelly were surprised by the scale of interest. I know I was. When they realized what was going on, they sent (albeit at the very last-minute) that email warning people to arrive early, and explaining it was going to be first-come. What else could they do?

After reading comments here leading up to the show, and then this Times article http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/07/arts/music/07BORE.html which mentions the RSVPs were triple capacity, I knew my only shot was to get there at 2:30. Whose fault is it that 4,000 people were on line by 3? Vice/Jelly, or bloggers and The Times? If I didn't get in with the information I knew Saturday morning, I'd only blame myself.

I won't rub it in too much by writing about the different ways the show was incredible. However, I think people are off in attacking the sponsorship. The Nike van could not have been any more inconspicuous. And the Sapporo? Five dollars for a giant can was reasonable, and when coupled with the Japanese food they were serving it made for a wonderfully themed afternoon. Few of us could pull off such a great party.

sounds to me like the promoters had planned for this to be a semi-VIP event all along...they knew how many people would show, and did nothing to change the venue to accommodate people...look at bowery...if a show has a really huge response, they either add a 2nd show or move it to a larger venue...

jellynyc seemed content to let this be their own private show, for them and their friends. almost seems like they viewed it as their 'reward' for putting on free shows across nyc.

why have people at the door for a free show anyway? fucking ridiculous. a free show should be such that people can come and go as they please, avoiding the hassles of ticketing and scheduling.

i'm sure the boredoms would have rather charged a small fee and be assured their fans gained entry instead of having a free show for the jellynyc/helio corporate extended family.

here's an idea...learn from this debacle...next time a band wants to do a free show that will generate so much interest, charge $10 instead and donate the money to the American Cancer Society, some other worthy charity.

at least then it would all be for a good cause, instead of the self-gratification of the nyc hipster elite community.

"should never be allowed to put on such a large scale event again."

Really? because I'm pretty sure most of us can COUNT.

Apparently, that concept's beyond the capacity of JellyNYC.

"Few of us could pull off such a great party."

Really? because I'm pretty sure most of us can COUNT.

Apparently, that concept's beyond the capacity of the people at JellyNYC.

or how about this - put on free shows, but don't fuck up every detail of the organization side.

And, don't be evil:

Don't charge $10 for tiny portions of food or overcharge for water, while at the same time confiscating food and water(!) people bring to the door - which, btw, is in a PUBLIC park.

Don't allow more people than you're possibly going to let in to RSVP - just so you can acquire and sell off their email addresses.

Don't make thousands of people with no chance wait in a fucking line, when you already know how many people you're going to let in.

Don't be too cheap to hire enough staff so the line moves smoothly.

Don't let in 3 times as many "VIP'S" as regular people - that's fucked fucked fucked!

i have a feeling this was always supposed to be a very private event. they just let in a nominal amount of people from the public to get the proper park permit.

The VIP line itself was HUGE. At one point, there are a few hundred people on the VIP line, which means the VIP list itself must be have been easily close to a thousand.

For all those claiming they could have fit another thousand people in there: http://www.flickr.com/photos/outcircuittheend/753975197/

I got to the park at 2 and walked in the side entrance. Everyone got kicked out at 2:15 and the line formed outside. I got in at 4:10 or so.

My wife had a big bag that was searched, full of sandwiches, big bags of potato chips and water. All that stuff was allowed in. Each of my friends also brought in a large water bottle.

That said, I agree that they should have just wristbanded the total amount of people in the line starting at 2:30, at let everyone else know that they were probably not going to get in.

Yeah they should have wrist-banded people but I think if all the complaining people on here paid attention to the RSVP e-mail there would be no problem. They told you - line starts at 230 and doors at 4 and they are over capacity - so people would be turned away. Such is life here in NY where everyone wants to do the same thing. I thought it was a great show!

what a totally frustrating afternoon

why didn't they just send RSVP responses back to the # of people reasonably approximating how many would get in?

Otherwise, why have an RSVP system set up at all?

and, on top of that, they sent out the RSVP email response around 8pm the night before, after many people had come into NYC from out of town and made expensive plans to see this thing. This, after leading people on until then that an RSVP would guarantee entry.

These people are inept clowns.

despite the organizers best efforts to ruin everything, the show was completely devastating. Changed my life.

To whomever is questioning the capacity: there were slightly over 3,900 people in that park. Whomever is counting 1,000 clearly CANNOT count. There were clickers at the entrances and capacity was monitored strictly. As for general admittance vs. VIP, there were 3,300 tickets for the general public, 500 for press and VIP, VIP including friends and families of the drummers and band. That is NOT a ridiculous ratio and does NOT make this a private or even semi-private event.
The response to the event was tremendous. The promoters I am sure wanted every person who traveled far and near to get in to this show. That being said, there is a capacity that is set by the state park and promoters are given a cut-off point. There hands were tied.
While I agree that the RSVP method was not handled correctly, I'd ask you -- what happens if you have a house party and 4 x the amount of people you invited showed up and then it became a danger? I'm pretty sure the response to this event caught the organziers by surprise, and they were then left to deal with a crisis. The NYT article didn't help any, and it should have alerted people to get there early, NOT when doors opened. Again, I agree it could have been handled better but the fact is that the majority of the fans that showed up for this show GOT IN.
This was a FREE show, and JellyNYC worked hard to find sponsors to cover the costs of this production -- which include everything from security to permits to state parks fees and rangers fees and everything else. And yet there are always those that are unhappy about food prices (food and water WERE allowed in, glass bottles weren't -- any different from Central Park of Prospect Park?) or the fact that there is a sponsor (OH MY GOD how awful) or that there weren't enough volunteers (are these the same people who were insulted by Jelly's earlier call out for help with this event??).
Frustrating for all of you who waited to get in and didn't, but also a bit frustrating to read this forum and all the whining and complaining and just outright LIES. I think most of the misinformation on this forum comes from people who weren't actually there -- maybe you were at some other drum circle??

77 Boadrums the performance by Boredoms & 77 drummers = amazing

77 Boadrums the concert organized by JellyNYC & Vice = amazingly frustrating and totally screwy in every detail

Anon 12:53
Move to the Bowery? What's the capacity of Bowery? Huh? Where you gonna line up 77 drum kits?
Sure let the doors be open to all - so 10,000 people can come into the park and then they just shut it down cause it's over capacity -- and then -- no show!!
Why don't you do a bit of research into putting a free show on in a state park and THEN come back with your plan if you know so much.
And hey, let's have all the money go to charity, sure -- wait, how are you gonna pay the staff and the crew?
Next time you do it! I'm sure it will run as smooth as silk.

"what happens if you have a house party and 4 x the amount of people you invited showed up and then it became a danger?"

most house parties don't have an email list of who wants to come weeks before it happens. It wasn't really a surprise how popular this was - especially not to the promoters, who had the RSVP emails to gage from.

You could easily have made it first come, first serve via EMAIL. Just set a number you're going to allow in, and send accurate responses back to that many people saying "you're getting in" or you're not. There was no reason to lead people on and make them wait in a pointless line for HOURS.

If you can't find enough volunteers to make the line move reasonably fast - then maybe spend some of that promoter profit margin and hire some WORKERS

you know - get ORGANIZED, because you're supposed to be ORGANIZERS

"Move to the Bowery? What's the capacity of Bowery? Huh? Where you gonna line up 77 drum kits?"

nobody suggested Bowery could accommodate this show, The guy was saying Bowery Presents are smart enough promoters to move a show to a bigger location when their original location proves too small.

Bowery Presents also knows how to run a will-call list, which apparently JellyNYC does not know how to do.

"you know - get ORGANIZED, because you're supposed to be ORGANIZERS"

I totally agree. It was just a mess. no excuse to make that many people wait for 4 hours for nothing when a simple idea could prevent this from happening.

people have been organizing free concerts for centuries without these kind of screw up - are we supposed to believe that because the show was free, we have to forgive every stupid decision that the promoters made??

"but I think if all the complaining people on here paid attention to the RSVP e-mail there would be no problem"

Many of us received blank emails (nothing but CSS code) from Vice. Also, the email arrived late on Friday, less than 24 hours before.

1) This event was listed with the city as being open to the public, not a private event, so I suggest JellyNYC send out apology emails, or be accountable.

2) The photo posted of the crowd...? If the park was at capacity, then how come there was about 50-100 feet of empty lawn on the Southern side of the park behind the crowd which was lined up no more then 20 people deep? Only one half was filled even vaguely near capacity. The boardwalk was gated off, and entirely empty. People had room to sprawl out and picnic, lay on their backs, have dance parties. Why lie about this?

3) When they got hit hard with RSVP requests, why didn't they go to Park & Rec, and switch the venue to one which could accomodate a larger crowd?

4) If you're going to have a VIP event with very limited entrance, then say that up front. Do not ask people to run an endurance test and then still deny them entry. Worse, don't pretend it was handled properly. How are we to believe JellyNYC and Vice were the only ones who couldn't see this coming before Friday? Sorry, saying line up 5 hours early without water, or restroom facilities isn't a humane solution to a problem they created.

5) Stop the bullshit RSVP's in New York. We all know this has been a problem for many years now. Venue size has nothing to do with it. A confirmation should be just that. If you don't have the ability to send that confirmation then do not ask for an RSVP.

6) This should have been a beautiful event for the New York city arts community, but it's almost like the promoters went out of their way with neglect so as to create the most frusterating situation possible for at least twice as many people as those who made it into the venue.

1) This event was listed with the city as being open to the public, not a private event, so I suggest JellyNYC send out apology emails, or be accountable.

2) The photo posted of the crowd...? If the park was at capacity, then how come there was about 50-100 feet of empty lawn on the Southern side of the park behind the crowd which was lined up no more then 20 people deep? Only one half was filled even vaguely near capacity. The boardwalk was gated off, and entirely empty. People had room to sprawl out and picnic, lay on their backs, have dance parties. Why lie about this?

3) When they got hit hard with RSVP requests, why didn't they go to Park & Rec, and switch the venue to one which could accomodate a larger crowd?

4) If you're going to have a VIP event with very limited entrance, then say that up front. Do not ask people to run an endurance test and then still deny them entry. Worse, don't pretend it was handled properly. How are we to believe JellyNYC and Vice were the only ones who couldn't see this coming before Friday? Sorry, saying line up 5 hours early without water, or restroom facilities isn't a humane solution to a problem they created.

5) Stop the bullshit RSVP's in New York. We all know this has been a problem for many years now. Venue size has nothing to do with it. A confirmation should be just that. If you don't have the ability to send that confirmation then do not ask for an RSVP.

6) This should have been a beautiful event for the New York city arts community, but it's almost like the promoters went out of their way with neglect so as to create the most frusterating situation possible for at least twice as many people as those who made it into the venue.

7) Promoters better admit to their error or they should be boycotted.

thanks for coming to my defense anon 3:31...

apparently the dude questioning my logic needs to retake the reading comprehension portion of the SAT...

"Why don't you do a bit of research into putting a free show on in a state park and THEN come back with your plan if you know so much."

then don't have it at a state park...have it at some other venue that can hold the crowd...brilliant!

"And hey, let's have all the money go to charity, sure -- wait, how are you gonna pay the staff and the crew?"

last time i checked, charity meant 'not for profit'...hence there would be no paying of the staff/crew, which apparently there was not anyway since jellynyc asked for volunteers...if it was for charity, i would have volunteered...since it was for helio/nike/american apparel, i did not

pull your head out of your ass dude...it's not so tough

worst part of this whole situation -

these JellyNYC fuckers are actually going to get PAID for this debacle. Probably got paid months ago.

Maybe that's why they did such a shitty job, nothing really on the line, nobody able to demand their ticket price refunded.

I pity the poor overworked, unpaid chumps who actually VOLUNTEERED and then had to work maddening hours getting through the long lines without enough people working, taking all the flak for the clumsy organizational mistakes that these crappy promoters made.

D'accord on all reasonable bitchin' & gripin' about how lame the org was. Unacceptable and inexcuseable (as well as bewildering). Howza 'bout some official JellyNYC/Vice statements on exactly what went on and why, along w/ any specific mea culpas?

I did NOT pull the trigger on coming up from Philly yesterday , after I couldn't make the NYC bus here before noon -- so, understood, no way was I gonna be in line in Brooklyn by 2:30 -- but ... ONLY learning what was what (sorta) via my finally-answered e-RSVP the night before was, again (ad nauseam), fuckin' A ridiculous ...

Now, how about this:

Can someone pls. explain why it was so good (or not) as a perf?

What made it more than a glorified drum(kit) circle extended session, albeit w/ notable indie/etc. drummers and the estimable Boredoms at the center of it all?

I ask this not as one afflicted w/ any sour-grapes syndrome but merely as a challenge to go off on the goods; I guess I don't wanna wait for printed reviews, wanna learn sooner (and from articulate fans) what was so great about it.
See, I'm a serious Boredoms fan, more into earlier stuff, sure, but still on-boar'd w/ all their riddimatic preoccupations of recent years ...

So -- and in as much detail as poss -- the music?

p.s. Soooo glad I saw them as many times as I did from way back on, in front of scores, then hundreds; shows on a Cali mini-tour w/ Trumans Water stand out ...

even worse part of this situation - not just anyone can walk up to the city and get to use the McCarren Park Pool, or walk up to the state and use Brooklyn Bridge Park.

These people have access to these locations because of political connections - basic cronyism.

To be in the (unfair) privileged position to use locations nobody else is able to use for art, and then to do it in a completely half-assed crappy fashion, that's just outrageous.

The show was interesting if only because it exposed a new crop to music as a performance vehicle beyond standard rock n' roll noise fuckery. It wasn't mind blowing, though there were some very moving moments. It was more impressive that these Japanese folks had a mad vision which they managed to pull off.

Otherwise, it was not mind blowing for anyone who takes a serious interest in this sort of thing. The spiral formation was actually very silly looking up close.

If you didn't see it you did not miss much. Truth.

i got to the park at like 3..they then made an announcement about how we all should leave and wait on line..they said it had something to do with the park rent a cops..we waited till like 4 when they gave put wristbands...but while we were waiting hundreds of v.i.p s strolled passed us...and unlike someone mentioned before the v.i.p.s werent only drummers family and band stuff..i know someone who got to be v.i.p. cos she knew someone who worked at JellyNYC..the show was amazing and there was a dance party..it was kindof packed...we were told not to stnad up so we wouldnt block people from seeing the drum circle;and from where i was (near the boardwalk) it was pretty cramped...it sucks that such an amazing event like this was ruined...and i wouldnt blame JellyNyc for the RSVP thing since that seemed to be Vice responso. and didnt the computer get hacked?...

vice's computer hacked? hardly. they just did a shitty job.

the VIP thing was totally tacky and obnoxious. Not what Boredoms are about at all. The marketing bullshit would have been ok - what doesn't have sponsorships these days? - but mixed with whole distasteful VIP element, this event left a real bad, smug, commercial taste in my mouth. So little of this had anything to do with the art that was going down.

They might as well have said - RSVP holders - let 'em eat cake. The organizers sure seemed to treat the regular audience like a pretty insignificant part of their event.

man, there are some bitter folks up in here.

i was slightly irritated that i had to wait in line for over 3 hours, but it was all worth it in the end. the problem with the line was that people were walking up and down it looking for their friends. i know that a good 30 people cut almost immediately in front of me in line. again, if wristbands were handed out, it wouldn't have been a problem.

vice/jelly nyc never guaranteed admission, they just said that you wouldn't get in if you didn't rsvp.

this was the same as any show/party with limited capacity except for the fact that the boredoms made no money on it. just because you show up somewhere and have rsvped doesn't mean you'll get in.

and to the people suggesting a venue change, HA HA. i bet that a ton of RSVPs flooded in in the week before the event (i accidentally rsvped a few times. twice this past week). that's nowhere near enough time for a change of venue. especially one that is free...the space was donated. and it was gorgeous.

"This event was listed with the city as being open to the public, not a private event, so I suggest JellyNYC send out apology emails, or be accountable."

This was a public event. Are you suggesting that all of the 3,900 who were inside the park were friends of organizers or the band? How do you come to this conclusion? The line for admission wrapped all the way to beneath the Manhattan Bridge -- that is a PUBLIC ADMISSION line.

"The photo posted of the crowd...? If the park was at capacity, then how come there was about 50-100 feet of empty lawn on the Southern side of the park behind the crowd which was lined up no more then 20 people deep? Only one half was filled even vaguely near capacity. The boardwalk was gated off, and entirely empty. People had room to sprawl out and picnic, lay on their backs, have dance parties. Why lie about this?"

The parts of the park that were empty are over a hill where people could NOT see the event. There is a hill, where American Apparel was situated and on the other side of the hill there was no one, they crammed into the main lawn so they could see the band. The boardwalk was sanctioned off because State Parks do not allow people who have consumed alcohol to be near the boardwalk. You have an issue with that? Take it up with Albany and the State Parks people, not the organizers. But do not accuse people of lying when you don't have all the facts or are coming to a conclusion based on a...photo? Which one? And did you count every person in the photo as well?

"When they got hit hard with RSVP requests, why didn't they go to Park & Rec, and switch the venue to one which could accomodate a larger crowd?"

Opne to your suggestion for an available location that would issue permits in that timeframe.

"If you're going to have a VIP event with very limited entrance, then say that up front. Do not ask people to run an endurance test and then still deny them entry. Worse, don't pretend it was handled properly. How are we to believe JellyNYC and Vice were the only ones who couldn't see this coming before Friday? Sorry, saying line up 5 hours early without water, or restroom facilities isn't a humane solution to a problem they created."

I think Vice said on BV that there server went down -- they had not expected 12,000 rsvps, which probably most of them were duplicates as well. How do you come to the conclusion that it is 5 hours early when the line formed at 2:30 and the doors opened at 4.00? That's 1.5 hours. No water? You can't buy a bottled water from a deli? No restroom facilities? There were bathroom AND portapotties in the park -- that was open to the public until 3pm. Actually early birds (like me) came and sat on the grass and watched the rehearsals and then left the park and got on line.

"5) Stop the bullshit RSVP's in New York. We all know this has been a problem for many years now. Venue size has nothing to do with it. A confirmation should be just that. If you don't have the ability to send that confirmation then do not ask for an RSVP."

As some other posted wrote, they most likely asked for RSVPd to get an idea of how many people planned on coming -- how do you judge accurately otherwise? When they saw that the RSVPs were 4x the capcity they bascially changed it to first come, first in. Do you really have an issue with first-come first-in for a free show?

"This should have been a beautiful event for the New York city arts community, but it's almost like the promoters went out of their way with neglect so as to create the most frusterating situation possible for at least twice as many people as those who made it into the venue."

So at the end of it all your day was spoiled because you had to wait on line? Because too many people wanted to get in to same show? How do you come up with twice as many people?

I'm pretty sure the majority of the people that were there enjoyed the views and the show and the fact that they weren't crammed tight and had room the breathe. People were sitting right beside the drummers on the grass -- it was awesome. And the smart people who didn't make it in ran up to the Brooklyn Bridge to see it and hear it from up high, another added bonus for that venue.

If you really are so angry at the entry process then maybe you should stay home. Or start organizing concerts yourself.

"the week before the event... that's nowhere near enough time for a change of venue."

I've seen venues changed night-of and *during* the show, so you're wrong.

and the line didn't have to take 3 hours! All they had to do was hire more door people and you would have gotten in quick!

I've been to shows with more than 50,000 people where I got through the line in less than 5 minutes. What is up with these promoters?

btw- the park wasn't free, the JellyNYC dude said up above that there were fees, and the Boredoms did get paid. You're wrong on a lot of details here.

"then don't have it at a state park...have it at some other venue that can hold the crowd...brilliant!"

Uh, Giant Stadium? Shea Stadium? Where should it have been held? What would have been to your liking?

"last time i