Posted in music on July 30, 2007

Suicide @ South Street Seaport, NYC - July 27, 2007 (CRED)
Suicide @ South Street Seaport

Last night I was able to catch one of the greatest, most influential (for me) bands of all-time, Suicide, playing a rare live show in their home city. I can barely put into words how cool this was. I mean, fucking Suicide man! Unfortunately, it was a part of the summer-long South Street Seaport free Friday night concert series, which meant that it had that amazing mix only South St. Seaport can attain of disgusting lawyers and bankers from the nearby Financial District, tourists dying to hit up Pizzeria Uno, drunk people. But, whatever, Suicide! The boys were in good form, Alan Vega (real name: Alan Bernowitz) doing that aging punk Elvis thing, Martin Rev providing the music, as the night wore on they got better and better. They played for about an hour and 10 minutes, cleared out a good portion of the crowd and made my month. [Pound for Pound]
And for an interesting review of the TheDeathSet's opening set, keep reading....

(CRED)
The DeathSet @ South Street Seaport

By Chris V

So there were all these 40/50 year old Suicide fans. To be fair some were younger than that. Anyway, while the Death Set were on most of them were sitting there with their arms crossed. Blankly staring at the guys while they played, and avoiding clapping after songs. There were some Death Set fans speckled throughout the crowd. They mostly seemed antsy about being contained from jumping around in a sweaty mess like any other Death Set show in Brooklyn or Baltimore. They were just bobbing their heads in place and loudly applauding. It was pretty depressing to watch until about 4 kids up front started hopping around in an improvised mosh pit. Within seconds about 20 kids from all different areas of the crowd swarmed to front center and joined in (to be fair again, a couple of the cooler old dudes did so as well). It was like watching people run through corn stalks. At that point the Suicide heads started getting angry. Yelling at people to stop having fun.
Calling out "BORIIIING" during breaks in the set. But it was fine.
People kept on bouncing around to the remaining half of the Death Set set. Just sad to see fans of a band that was at their time making cutting edge music getting so agro at some kids having fun to another band that is not so easy to digest. Anyway, the guys seemed to start enjoying themselves once people started moving around. If anything it was good to finally see them play a show with no technical difficulties a la Glasslands water baloons or opening for Matt & Kim and Parts and Labor last month with PA problems.
What did you think?

Previously
* THE DEATH SET playing SSSeaport, touring w/ Bonde Do Role ++ album stream

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Comments (42)

Welcome to New York snobbery......
duh?

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 4:09 AM

word on the street was that the PA @ SSS actually didn't do Deathset justice at all and made them sound flat and with no dynamics.

so, dunno how accurate the above review is...

Best show and sound I've seen them play recently was at Don Pedro's a month or so ago - they killed it and the sound was mercifully cooperative.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 4:17 AM

yeah the mix too all the life out of their performance. I've never seen them before, but at this show the backing track was louder than their guitars and vocals and that just made it feel like they weren't really doing anything other than jumping around.

Posted by bryan | July 30, 2007 8:20 AM

"word on the street"-What street is this that you speak of? Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah everyone in the music industry is talking about The Death Set. They are really lighting up the music industry today. And to that kid Chris V who wrote that review above. You are a tool. Yeeeahhh The Death Set are so difficult to digest. Possibly it was not the PA that was bad. Maybe they are just not that good. The bad thing about the internet and blogging is that there is such a glut of half assed bands that really have nothing behind them and no one will care about them in a year. I was at this show and Suicide showed these kids how its done and why they are the real thing. And it had nothing to do with the PA or the sound. I think most watching the few people jumping around to The Death Set were thinking "Wow people will just dance and mosh(and i use that term lightly) to just about anything these days"

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 8:37 AM

so fucking pissed i missed this

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 8:57 AM

to anyone who felt bad about missing the show:

suicide were so terrible, it was almost enjoyable. im a pretty big alan vega fan but this show was like watching the creepy old fags in your building play canned techno beats from their casio keyboards. he ranted about the war in iraq like it was 2004. i spent most of my time trying to get into it and sipping on my frozen margarita.

it was worth coming down for but no one missed anything at all.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 9:23 AM

"he ranted about the war in iraq like it was 2004."

Are you saying protesting the war in Iraq was just a hipster fad? Fuck you.

Posted by Appalled | July 30, 2007 10:14 AM

only 4 iraqis were killed by celebratory gunfire yesterday

ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-anges

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 10:19 AM

dear appalled,

it's time to kill yrself.

sincerely,

your friends

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 10:37 AM

"he ranted about the war in iraq like it was 2004."

Because remaining indignant about what's wrong in the world is just SO blase.

Pathetic privileged hipster twat. Go drown in apathy & frozen girly drinks.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 10:38 AM

dream baby dream.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 10:41 AM

The Death Set were boring on Friday night. I like their recorded output, but their show on Friday was mediocre. Just because you jump around a lot doesn't make it good.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 10:48 AM

i was there, great show. alan vega held nothing back, he was on. his rants were classic. no "fucks" were held back for the "family" audience at south street seaport. frankie teardrop killed it to end the set. and the encore song, im a psychopath is the lyric sorry im not that familiar with their discography, but that song killed it as well. as did all the anti-iraq war songs, like the whole world is killing the truth, and white man scares me.

two more things - it was probably the smallest turn out of the year, and i think i spotted jeffrey lewis in the crowd with his guitar.

missed the opening band because i went to the pictureny protest in union square. sign the petition: http://www.pictureny.org/

Posted by nyc noise fan | July 30, 2007 10:56 AM

dude, you need to stop being yourself and lighten up...its the summer...next margarita's on me.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 11:35 AM

i thought suicide was great. i didn't see the first band, though, because i was late.

but, as brooklynvegan has taught me, i am just as much of the show as the bands are. perhaps i will appear in all the reviews the next day, because i was "old" or because i was "standing with my arms crossed" or i was "bored" or perhaps i was a "hipster." every time i see a show, i come here the next day, breathless with anticipation, to see if i made all the reviews. "no one was having a good time, and everyone in the left front was rolling their eyes at me as i danced the hokey pokey the entire time and had a great time, and all the hipsters just sighed." yes! that was me! suicide and me, finally performing together, after all these years. gosh, this is so special for me. you guys are the *best*.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 11:36 AM

the death set is a good frickin band BUT the crowd wasnt right and neither was the sound...
oh i did luved te random blipster during the attempted mosh pit in high waist jeans she was cute but out of place much.

Posted by eric | July 30, 2007 12:16 PM

I thought the show was the best of the Seaport Season so far. It was two incredibly adventurous bands. I will say I saw several older fans really getting into Deathset and afterwards speaking very positively about it.

As for the anti-war rant it seems a bit crazy to make hay about a musician talking about important issues. We'll see how said posters react when younger "hipper" bands take up a position on an important issue.

Posted by Tim Duffy | July 30, 2007 12:17 PM

ditto with blipster in high waist jeans in the mosh being cute..cos se was i've seen her at like every single concert i've been to this summer..

Posted by anon | July 30, 2007 12:26 PM

My highlight of the evening was seeing No Bra there!!! I listen to her "munchausen" track at least once a week for giggles (where can I buy it?):
http://www.myspace.com/nnobra
I was too timid to do so, but I wish I went over and said, "reeeally? Well, I smoked a teenage tourist up at Suicide South Street Seaport show...."

O, btw, it was my first time, but I thought Suicide was friggin awesome! They remind me of people you'd see 7am on a weekend at a afterparty coke den. The contrast of that and the tourists/passerbys at Pier 17 was great. Just the amount of edging it up I needed for the place and hour of the day... And DeathSet was a perfect opener for them considering how "inspired" they are by bands like suicide....

Posted by noThongs | July 30, 2007 12:39 PM

death set was great. crowd was terrible. suicide were ok

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 12:44 PM

Death Set were okay. The only thing that they have going for them it seems is youthful energy. They are young so they jump around like crazy. Other than that though, they aren't doing anything that interesting or new or special now like Suicide was doing decades ago.

Seems that is a very unfortunate common aspect of all of the younger "hip" bands these days. All they have is a lot of energy, but the roads and genres of music theve chosen are so well traveled by older trailblazing bands that there isn't anything new left to say so all youve got is just energy, not much else. and considering that they use prerecorded music as part of their act, it frees them up to focus on the energy more than their musicianship.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 1:12 PM

""word on the street"-What street is this that you speak of? Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah everyone in the music industry is talking about The Death Set... Yeeeahhh The Death Set are so difficult to digest. Possibly it was not the PA that was bad. Maybe they are just not that good."

actually, dipshit, despite the shitty flat sound at SSS, that show actually was instrumental in getting Deathset signed to a big label over the weekend.

so I guess a bunch of people in the music industry ARE talking about Deathset, and you're just clueless and out of the loop.

btw - Suicide were a self indulgent embarrassment. Old coots who still think unaltered keyboard beats and saying "fuck" a lot make you edgy. I'm all for bands of all ages, but if you're still doing it as you're getting older, either keep up and do shit that's actually novel, or else just admit you've thrown in the creative towel & tour the nostalgia circuit.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 1:15 PM

Eric 12:16

Why is a black person (or "random blipster" as you so kindly put it) that you apparently "luved te" at a indie/post-punk show so out of place...much?

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 1:20 PM

I think he's just saying that she was out of place for being a hipster (and possibly for being a black person at possibly the whitest place in NYC), but mentioning she's black mostly because his comment is actually a "missed connection" ad.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 1:30 PM

if you missed it, come see DeathSet on aug 17th at The LOLITA Party...they are playing with some others over at Glasslands again..this time, sans water baloons. :)
www.myspace.com/thelolitaparty


Posted by anony mous | July 30, 2007 1:46 PM

"actually, dipshit, despite the shitty flat sound at SSS, that show actually was instrumental in getting Deathset signed to a big label over the weekend.

so I guess a bunch of people in the music industry ARE talking about Deathset, and you're just clueless and out of the loop"


Actually moron, it seems you are not only the dipshit but a complete idiot as well. What "big" label did they get signed to this weekend and for that matter WHO CARES. That means nothing these days. Apparently you have no idea that the record industry is in a freefall and that labels both big and small are signing anything they read about on blogs to try and generate any revenue they can at this point. Let's not even begin to discuss the highway littered with bands signed to "big" labels only to be dropped a year later. So no fuckwit a lot of people in the music industry ARE NOT talking about Deathset.

"btw - Suicide were a self indulgent embarrassment. Old coots who still think unaltered keyboard beats and saying "fuck" a lot make you edgy. I'm all for bands of all ages, but if you're still doing it as you're getting older, either keep up and do shit that's actually novel, or else just admit you've thrown in the creative towel & tour the nostalgia circui"

This last quote from you just proves what a nitwit you are. The deathset exist as a result of bands like Suicide. And what is so novel about slamming your instruments, jumping around, screaming into the mic with lyrics that have nothing behind them or any intelligence and oh yes playing to backing tracks and altered keyboard beats. OOH they are truly at the cutting edge. Who said Sucide were trying to be edgy??? I just cannot believe what a dope you are. Suicide are one of the great bands of all time and still sound great. How you can even begin to say anything against them or even compare some ok band to them is ridiculous. Id say let's see how your precious Deathset is sounding 25 years from now but it would be a statement so absurd to even make.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 1:58 PM

I was at the SSS show, and I thought Suicide was fantastic. But I thought Deathset were horrible. They just basically jumped around attempting to play guitar with mediocre, loud backing tracks. It was so amateur I could not believe they where chosen to open, (usually SSS has great openers) No the problem was not the sound, the crowd, the venue, it was the band themselves!!!!
And to the guy who posted the review BV featured, you are a complete fool if you base your enjoyment of the show who chooses to see the show. You think you are soo cool, but you seem rather close-minded and dim.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 2:06 PM

everybody needs to coooooooooooool out!

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 2:09 PM

I forgot to add that that it seems as if the majority of the crowd was not into Deathset. It was kind of funny how after their set, the MC asked the crowd to applaud for Deathset, and there was silence. But the crowd gave not shy at all in applauding Suicide after each and every song.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 2:13 PM

Suicide not only sucked, it was ridiculous watching how "important" they and their aging fans wanted to believe they were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBMOQ_9XgGw

watch em - how can you claim Deathset sucked for just playing along to a backing track - what the hell do you think Suicide are doing here on this video? At least Deathset have energy!

I don't think Suicide invented keyboards, beats, or playing along with them in a sleazy agro muttering junky sort of way. They could easily be dismissed as a Silver Apples ripoff with a sexy singer - but who didn't build their own instruments.

But yes, they are a seminal band - but for just a handful of releases. Basking in achievements made 30 years ago just seems sort of - I dunno - old and boring maybe?

They've never struck me as nearly as influential as they are credited as being. They're revered partly (and rightly) because of their music but mostly because of their sexy bad boy addict/outsider image.

Accordingly, sexy bad boy electro bands always cite them as an influence - for instance, all those ridiculous wax trax industrial stylee projects in the early 90's, NYC shit like ARE Weapons, post hc mod new wave revivalists of the late 90s / early 2000's, electroclash crap in general - these people always have cited Suicide as their faves - and it's always been way more about the junky image and apathetic pose than about anything musical - for both Suicide and their superfans.

as least current electro duos ala Deathset have youthful energy and positive vibes. the listless apathy thing is over and boring, I'd be happy to see the Suicide pose die off.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 4:28 PM

good everything is so derivative of the princeton-columbia computer music center scene in the 50's. geeze get a life you guys have nooooo taste in anything, my gawd.

Posted by patrick | July 30, 2007 4:52 PM

anon 7/30 4:28pm - i completely agree.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 5:10 PM

i dunno if i agree with the spirit of what yer saying 4:28, even if it is all the truth. the version of dream baby dream they play in that youtube clip is different than the recorded version, meaning it has different beats to it. you have to at least give them credit that they update and mess around with the songs. yeah, the exact same show played by a couple of younger people would not be the same, because they're suicide and they're cool, and unknown people would have to do something different than them to be interesting. i don't think they were breaking new ground on the stage the other night. they're not breaking new ground anytime recently i guess. but the show was cool just because it was cool, and everything doesn't have to be radically different than everything else all the time, and that's ok. it's not a pissing contest between the two bands. one is old and cool, and one has not been around enough to establish themselves that kind of way. so, hey. it's fine. maybe that's a good bill.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 6:51 PM

wait wait wait. people are actually using the word blipster?? jesus.

Posted by Anonymous | July 30, 2007 7:20 PM

hey, bottom line is suicide is cool and good and fujiya and miyagi is crap and not cool. thats it. and btw this show maybe had the smallest, but by far the coolest crowd this year.

Posted by nyc noise fan | July 30, 2007 11:21 PM

4:28 is obviously one of deathsets few angry supporters but the only thing he points out in his rant that is true is that many many many people and bands cite Suicide as an influence. And no he is wrong, it is not cause of their bad boy image. That is just ridiculous but even if it was true, let's all guess how many people 20 years from now will be citing The deathset(or the majority of the halfway decent bands getting blogged about these days). If you say more than 10 people I think you would be really pushing it.
Actually what is pretty funny about 4:28's rant is that he appropriated it from all music guide's description of Suicide. Go look and see for yourself.
Total moron.

Posted by Anonymous | July 31, 2007 3:12 AM

i really hate the term "blipster." it's like "lady writer", and wow we're supposed to have advanced beyond that so we dont need affirmative action, feminism and all that grandpa stuff. and seriously people just adopt it, its ubiquity making it permissible.

Posted by squeakr | July 31, 2007 4:04 AM

"4:28 is obviously one of deathsets few angry supporters"

you're kidding me - the Deathset supporters have all been cheerful, it's the old Suicide curmudgeons who have been so negative here.

Posted by Anonymous | July 31, 2007 2:07 PM

i don't think so. i'm 6:51, and went see suicide, and i don't think i'm being negative. i only said something to begin with because of the review BV quoted that complained about everyone there to see suicide as old and angry. i said i thought two such bands together was probably a good idea.

i went to the joey ramone irving plaza show a year ago and got to see Mindless Self Indulgence, which i thought was cool. don't know if it's my thing, but that's not bad. but at that show too, it seemed to me like some of the old school punk fans were being rude (i admit) and then MSI themselves called them old from the stage. which is fine, but why does everyone have to fight about who's old and who's not having a good enough time and which band sucks the most and all that.

and, why do i come here and read it? i don't know. i must like the debate. i really don't know.

Posted by Anonymous | July 31, 2007 2:36 PM

Unfortunately, it was a part of the summer-long South Street Seaport free Friday night concert series, which meant that it had that amazing mix only South St. Seaport can attain of disgusting lawyers and bankers from the nearby Financial District, tourists dying to hit up Pizzeria Uno, drunk people. [Pound for Pound]


Uh, yeah, and like, you're probably a noble inner-city volunteer paramedic, crisis intervention phone rep, or street sweeper, right?

you don't think the group has at least one lawyer and one banker?

put it this way -- they can't afford to live in manhattan because of their tour net.

give your tired hipster rant its overdue rest... it's not like Vega didn't know WHERE he was playing and who would show-up... maybe next time, they can play in your parents' attic and you can invited all of your frat bros., you asswipe.

Posted by east coast promo man | August 1, 2007 12:44 AM

It was my understanding that the bands were booked together because all the band names related to death or dying, which I agree is silly. If this is untrue, I apologize.

The Death Set were not "signed to a big label" following the Suicide show but continued to work on completing their upcoming full length album. The band signed to my imprint RabbitFoot Records in 2005 after moving from Australia to Baltimore/New York.

I love this band and have worked very hard to promote and support them but I understand that they are not for everyone.

I saw Suicide open for The Homosexuals at the Knitting Factory a few years ago (another show my label arranged) and they were as unispired as the SSS show. And if age was the issue it not seem to affect Homosexuals front man Bruno, who displayed energy and spazzines The Death Set would have admired. That was a pretty rad show. I wish they were with me then.

I hope people continue lively discussion like this for a long time.

Posted by Emily Rabbit | October 13, 2007 7:17 PM

I like Suicide and I thought they were pretty awful! Let's be real here. I must say that I had such a great time that night. I doubt they thought their performance was phenomenal either. They were having fun and at the end of the day that's what counts for me.

Posted by lita | November 5, 2007 11:26 PM

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