Posted in music on September 4, 2007

Much like the last minute cancellation that caused the planned last show at Northsix to never happen, the planned first show (Patti Smith) at the new Music Hall of Williamsburg (where Northsix used to be) has just been postponed. As of now, Against Me! & Matt & Kim is still happening tomorrow.

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CHEESEBURGER!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 5:51 PM

Spaghetti!

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 6:11 PM

Now that just ain't right.

Posted by Edgar Winter | September 4, 2007 6:15 PM

I drove by the other day and it looked nowhere near completion. It's not like they didn't know this at least a week in advance so why take so long to announce it?

Posted by TWB | September 4, 2007 6:18 PM

Aw man, if Against Me! is cancelled tomorrow I'm going to be pissed.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 6:31 PM

Wooo Hoooo. I'm double booked ... for Patti AND Daniel Johnston, so this is music to my ears (or, well, no music to my ears?). Anyway, sorry to others who were inconvenienced but I hope she reschedules there soon. DJ here I come !!

Posted by Juan | September 4, 2007 7:46 PM

The music hall's site says Patti is postponed until Thursday...

http://www.musichallofwilliamsburg.com/

Posted by Juan | September 4, 2007 7:54 PM

went there about 7pm, and it looked liked they were nowhere near completion. There were workers scurrying around basically building the place. You could look directly into the "work-in-progress:" venue as the construction workers banged and lifted, etc. There was a truck outside with TONS of drywall on it. This wasn't "Last minute construction" as the website stated, this was major continuation of the basic building of the venue. And they announce the postponment this evening? Absolutely retarted.

Good start guys. And how long did you know that you weren't ready to open up tonight? Had to be a while.

IF they indeed have a show tomoor night, prepare to stand in a non-finished venue.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 9:00 PM

The embarrasing thing here is how much hooplah the Bowery Presents put out for this opening.

They took a perfectly good indy venue, made a great big giant stink in renaming it and redesigning it, booked someone who plays half a dozen shows in the area a year anyway, and then can't even get the venue open on opening night.

Embarrasing.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 9:02 PM

Assuming Against Me! is playing tomorrow, anyone got an extra ticket? Have a friend in town last minute who'd like to come.

Posted by John B. | September 4, 2007 9:17 PM

Blame the contractor for agreeing to be finished by now and not coming through. Or blame the construction workers for fucking up. Don't blame Bowery Presents.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 10:19 PM

Hey, Anon. 9:02PM:

indy = short for Indiana or Indianapolis

indie = short for independent

Posted by Prof. Jones | September 4, 2007 10:21 PM

Hey Prof. Jones:

You aren't much of a professor if you think that the abbreviations for both Indiana and Indianopolis are Indy.

IN = Indiana

IND = Indianapolis

and Indy OR Indie are used to described Independent.

Glad I'm not taking your class.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 11:00 PM


"Blame the contractor for agreeing to be finished by now and not coming through. Or blame the construction workers for fucking up. Don't blame Bowery Presents."

The above post sounds like someone from Bowery Presents trying to defend themselves. It certainly comes off as a post from someone on the inside who is aware of the cause of the delays.

Pretty lame to blame the workers, considering they are under your control and employment. You should have hired better workers or more honest contractors if this is indeed the cause of the delay.

Why not keep going and blame the manufactures of the dry wall and the wood and the hammers for not being good enough qualty to hammer the nails in and what about the people who paved the streets that the trucks have to drive on to get the supplies to the construction site? Better blame them too.

Gimmee a break. The Bowery Presents is the one solely resposible for this absurdity, and it exploded in their face after they made such a big deal about redoing a perfectly acceptable local club.

If you advertise well in advance a big opening show at your new club, you do everything in your pwer to get it open in time. Otherwise you just look like jackasses.

If as you say, the contractors did not come through and the workers fucked up, then you are to blame for that. Why. because you hired unprofessional contractors and workers in a city full of professional ones. What does that say about you then? It means that you are unprofessional and cheap.

Bodes really well fo the new venue. can't wait.

Now I have to wonder if a light will fall on my head when I'm standing there watching a show because the workers didn't attach it correctly.


Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 11:12 PM

developers can get a high rise condo building up in Williamsburg before the Bowery Presents can simply re-open an existing club.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 11:14 PM

Hey Bowery Presents:

can you come and shut down my apartment and redo it but not let me back in when it is supposed to be done?

Thanks

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 11:16 PM

all the workers looked like illegals anyway.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 11:18 PM

Wow, I'm really glad that the Bowery took over this club and made it so much nicer. Oh wait, they didn't....yet.

I was never thrilled with North Six as a venue, but...

At least if it was still North Six it would be open tonight.

Posted by Bill | September 4, 2007 11:22 PM


"Blame the contractor ... Or blame the construction workers.... Don't blame Bowery Presents."

I don't know who the contractor is, and I don't know who the workers are. I do however, know who Bowery Presents are. Therefore I have no choice but to blame Bowery Presents.

My Ticket says Bowery Presents.... It doesn't say Acme Contractors presents.... or Illegal Immigrant Workers Presents....

Bowery Presents are the face of the club. They are the name on the marquee, And they are in showbusiness which means that they need to look good to the public.

Which they don't, certainly if they are blaming the workers and contractors that nobody knows or cares about.

When you announce a concert months and months in advance and then wait to cancel it at 5pm the night of the show ensuring that most of the ticketholders don't find out until they show up at the construction site to see a half finished venue while workers frantically scurry around you look pretty stupid.

This could have been avoided by cancelling it yesterday.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2007 11:33 PM

I heard that the Bowery is going to take over Madison Square Garden, rename it THE MUSIC HALL OF MIDTOWN, redo the inside of the arena so that it looks like a 20,000 seat Bowery Ballroom and then blame the unions for not getting the work done in time for opening night.

Posted by andy P. | September 4, 2007 11:38 PM

I'M IN UR VENUE

DELAYIN UR OPENNG

Posted by KONSTRKSHUN KAT | September 4, 2007 11:48 PM

big deal
it didn't open on time.
take a look at all the construction going on in NYC. None of it gets done ontime.

All you people do is complain. Go cry to your mommy

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 12:05 AM

Bowery Presents are good people. (And no, I'm not from Bowery presents but I've worked with them before.) If it weren't for them, and the shows they've promoted over the past decade or so, your indie-rock-blog-reading-ass would probably still be listening to Fatboy Slim rather than real bands.

And while I love the idea that anyone on this list has some deep abiding connection to the contracting business, or the fate of the common construction worker, I'm sure 80% of you sit in front of a computer all day, doing some lame ass job in advertising that you couldn't even explain to a construction worker if given five hours. (Not because they're stupid. But because your job is probably bullshit.)

Point being: please. shut. up. And do something more useful with your free time than commenting on an internet message board -- or blog, or whatever you call this -- about a group of really great people regularly putting on really great shows and otherwise supporting your showgoing "lifestyle."

Posted by Jo Jo Dancer | September 5, 2007 12:33 AM

hey andy p,

i heard that too, but i looked into and its not true.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 12:36 AM

Hey its Peyton Manning....
Couldn't help but commenting as I saw someone post about Indianapolis.
The only real tough thing about Patti rescheduling for thursday is that its opening night of NFL season and I won't be able to make it. I was ready to rage tonight. And you folks just grumped about Patti Smith anyway so doubt any of you were even going/had to change plans. This place is going to be awesome.

Posted by Peyton Manning | September 5, 2007 12:51 AM

Hey Jo Jo Dancer. I'm sure Bowery Presents are good people. They have changed the live music landscape of NYC however a fuckup is a fuckup. They are the ones who made such a big deal about their new venue. It must have been obvious some time ago it would not be ready in time. They could have just postponed shows until they new they were ready to open.

Against Me! & Matt & Kim. What a mismatched bill. Matt & Kim have to be one of the lamest bands I've ever seen. Against Me! sound pretty cool though!

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 12:56 AM

hey, you guys are funny. i love reading comments from know-it-alls who actually have no clue. blame bowery all you want. blame whoever you want for that matter. i was in the venue today and all you people making negative comments will be eating your words when you eventually see a show there. they may be a day late opening the venue but a major renovation was done and us music fans in new york are in for a real treat. the place i saw today will no doubt be the best place to see music in this fine state of ours.

Posted by LT | September 5, 2007 1:01 AM

you just wait, that place is going to blow away north 6. it may take some time, but hey, good things come to those who wait - right? well, i hope so, and you cynical asses can wish for the best while the rest of us see cool shows at what should be a rad new venue. here's to hoping.

Posted by todd p's girlfriend | September 5, 2007 1:02 AM

Hey, Manning! The Jets are going to the Superbowl this year, you ain't.

Posted by J! E! T! S! JETS! JETS! JETS! | September 5, 2007 1:26 AM

northsix was shitty. the pillars blocked the views of the stage and the downstairs was dirty with a nasty aquarium. I saw some great shows there but I don't miss it. the bowery presents' plans for the space sound amazing - no sight obsruction, high ceilings, etc., but this was definitely a m-a-j-o-r fuckup on their part. good intentions or not, they are to blame. I'm still looking forward to seeing shows at the new space, though.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 1:35 AM

while i agree that bowery presents should have been more forthcoming with their delayed opening long ago when they recognized they might not be ready, everyone needs to step back and cool off for a second.

do any of you have experience with how difficult it might be to orchestrate a construction project of this size? there are so many parties involved that all probably had some role in the delays, including the city of new york. not to mention they are trying to open after labor day, right after many people are going on vacation during august. it's a long process, the DOB can be a difficult system to get through, there may have been unanticipated problems with the building itself that needed to be addressed.

poor planning by bowery presents, perhaps. they bit off more than they could chew, perhaps. promises made by contractor who couldn't keep them but wanted the job, perhaps. difficulties and delays with permitting and inspections, perhaps. who knows what happened? until explanations come from people who actually know, it really doesn't matter.

it sucks for people who have bought tickets to shows that are going to be canceled, and those people are right to be annoyed and upset by it. but shit happens sometimes, so just deal with it, but bitching about it doesn't help anyone or the situation.

Posted by anonymous | September 5, 2007 7:55 AM

"Hey Prof. Jones:

You aren't much of a professor if you think that the abbreviations for both Indiana and Indianopolis are Indy.

IN = Indiana

IND = Indianapolis

and Indy OR Indie are used to described Independent.

Glad I'm not taking your class."

As someone from Indiana, I can assure you that "Indy" is certainly the accepted abbreviation and term for Indianapolis (IND might be the airport code, but no one gives a shit about that).

Posted by CN | September 5, 2007 8:32 AM

i don't think opening a day late is a major fuck up. a major fuck up would be opening 6 months late. get over it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 9:31 AM

seems like they are just inexperienced operators in over their head. I bet the Terminal market they are opening doesn't open until January.

Posted by gino | September 5, 2007 9:40 AM

How much new space do you guys actually need to stand still with your arms folded anyway?

Posted by Camp Tiger Claw | September 5, 2007 9:42 AM

^awesome

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 9:58 AM

sounds to me like a bunch of whiny fuckers are disappointed that they can't put the "i was at the oppening night of MHoW" knotch on their bed post.

construction delays happen and rarely do bars, restaurants or even office buildings open on or before their PROJECTED completion date.

you little bitches need to get laid more often.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 10:04 AM

Anon. 10:04 AM:

You must be in the construction business.

I *WOULD* get laid more often, but your wife, whom I shtupp while you're on the site, gets sore and has to take breaks almost as long as the breaks you take while you're "working."

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 10:17 AM

"As someone from Indiana, I can assure you that "Indy" is certainly the accepted abbreviation and term for Indianapolis (IND might be the airport code, but no one gives a shit about that)."

According to the US Postal Service, IND is indeed the official abbreviation for Indianapolis.

Local abbreviations are fine for locals, but as someone who is not from Indiana, I choose to go with the official abbreviation. Because people who don't live there don't give a shit about the local abbreviations.

Most of us from elsewhere care a lot more about airport codes and mail codes, etc. than about the cutesy terms tha locals give themselves that only locals or people that know them know.

Thanks for sharing though.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 10:29 AM

Dear Camp Tiger Claw: I love you.

Posted by Wackamole | September 5, 2007 10:29 AM

"construction delays happen and rarely do bars, restaurants or even office buildings open on or before their PROJECTED completion date"

Yeah, but most of those office buildings, bars and/or restaurants don't take victory dances in the press months before opening night. So when they open late, no one notices, or cares.

Those other places also don't sell tickets well in advance, sell out and then let the sold out crowd know of the delay essentially so late on the opening night that they are in transit to the venue and show up and see the venue and the Bowery Presents standing there with their pants down.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 10:35 AM

"Most of us from elsewhere care a lot more about airport codes and mail codes, etc. than about the cutesy terms tha locals give themselves that only locals or people that know them know.

Thanks for sharing though."

you're gross.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 10:39 AM

Wow. intersting that the Bowery presnts can get EIGHT FULL PAGE ADS in a row placed on time in this weeks Village Voice, but they can't open one of their clubs in time.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 10:40 AM

That's because they didn't have to rely on anyone in the construction trade to place those ads.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 10:52 AM

When tonight's Against Me! + Matt & Kim show is cancelled as well, y'all should go check out the four hot French women in Plastiscines at the Mercury Lounge tonight.

Posted by voulez vous coucher avec moi, ce soir | September 5, 2007 10:57 AM

i think this shows no respect for your paying customer. the last minute cancellation.

just hope the roof dont collapse when Im in there...

Posted by knows construction | September 5, 2007 10:57 AM

I'm excited about seeing Vampire Weekend at MHoW this weekend. I was never much of a fan of Northsix and I'm glad we're getting a nicer club.

I wish someone would come up with a handy nickname for this nice club already.

Though I think it's a stretch to say BP is responsible for weaning people off of Fatboy Slim. They put on some good shows, but tastemakers? No.

Indy 500, anyone? Indiana Jones?

Posted by i heart IND rock | September 5, 2007 11:00 AM

correction:

TEN full page ads in todays Village Voice by Bowery Presents.

Six of them for the new venue Terminal 5. Wonder if that one will open late also?

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:02 AM

Ha ha

Posted by Ron Delsner | September 5, 2007 11:03 AM

Dude, Bowery SUCKS.
Way to throw money at something that aint' gonna work right anyway, and then eventually leave and do the same somewhere else. Not surprised at this. D-umb.

Posted by Johnny No.5 | September 5, 2007 11:05 AM

Yeah...noticed the full page color ads in the Voice today too. Maybe they should've spent that $ on getting the damn crappy places open in time.

Posted by BillyBob from IndyBob | September 5, 2007 11:06 AM

"According to the US Postal Service, IND is indeed the official abbreviation for Indianapolis.

Local abbreviations are fine for locals, but as someone who is not from Indiana, I choose to go with the official abbreviation. Because people who don't live there don't give a shit about the local abbreviations.

Most of us from elsewhere care a lot more about airport codes and mail codes, etc. than about the cutesy terms tha locals give themselves that only locals or people that know them know.

Thanks for sharing though."

When have you ever used a mail code? And by the way, you are a jackass.

Posted by CN | September 5, 2007 11:06 AM

I had a ticket and understand that things get cancelled for all sorts of energency or non-emergencey logistical reasons. And if I had found out about this in a reasonable enough amount of time to have avoided showing up there and seeing the club half finished, I wouldn't have been upset. However, walking up to the venue last night really pissed me off to see the workers flat out IN THE MIDDLE of construction with the entire facade of the venue open for me to look into the no way nearly completed construction site.

I had to basically walk over supplies and try to not knock into workers who were blocking the sidewalk as they frantically scurried about. There was no sign indicating anything, there was no one from the Bowery Presents explaining anything voluntarily to anyone, and I had to go up to the bouncer at the door and ASK what the hell was going on in order to find out when the show was rescheduled for.

To say that this is an insult to the customer is an understatement.

The Bowery probably figured that it's sold out anyway so who gives a crap about informing or being considerate to the ticket holders.

If I hung around any longer I'm sure I would have been hit accidently by a plank of wood.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:09 AM

"When have you ever used a mail code?"

When have I ever sat in a crappy local bar in Indianapolis and called my town Indy with my fellow Indy's?

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:11 AM

The Bowery Presents is starting to act like a giant corporation... Gobble up all the small businesses, slam your name on them, spend all your money on advertising and promotion, but in the end don't really give a shit about your paying customer.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:14 AM

Why is someone from Indianapolis reading through a thread about a Brooklyn club opening and feeling a need to post about it?

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:16 AM

god it would have sucked to lets say travel to the show from somewhere in jersey and find out its cancelled just like that.

i guess bowery is just assuming everyone who goes to their shows lives within walking distance or subway ride away.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:19 AM

what really sucked is that they obviously must have known it wasn't ready earlier in the day (judging by the construction scene which was accurately described by Anonymous 11:09.) We at least traveled only from the other end of Brooklyn but still, it was majorly annoying. Even more annoying is that Ticketmaster sent an email at 10:45 p.m. Duh. If they'd sent the email during the day it would have saved us the trip.

Most annoying is that we can't make the rescheduled date, the one day in ages that we have another obligation.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:29 AM

Dumbest. Thread. Ever. Shut Up. Seriously. How can anyone possibly take the time to get so bent out of shape over a venue's delayed opening?

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:30 AM

Anon @ 11:30


these are the same twats that spent 10 days posting about how jellynyc and vice were the most vile, digusting assholes ever - just becuase they were too stupid to get to the park in time to get inside.

you losers need to get a life.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:36 AM

"How can anyone possibly take the time to get so bent out of shape over a venue's delayed opening?"

Because it takes about two seconds to post your frustration about it (not much time), but it took hours (a lot of time) to travel down to the show for no reason when it could have been avoided by a more considerate concert promoter.

If the promoter can DIRECTLY waste everyones time last night, then why can't we take but a moment to ANONYMOUSLY express our frustration?

Seems fair to me.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:40 AM

"How can anyone possibly take the time to get so bent out of shape over a venue's delayed opening?"

People (like me) who have been excited for weeks to see Against Me! and who now expect to get burned when they show up tonight at an unfinished construction site?

Posted by JD | September 5, 2007 11:41 AM

No, not the the most vile, digusting assholes ever, just the most unprofessional, greedy, selfish and immature promoters ever.

Get yer facts straight!

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:42 AM

North Six was a great place, but always HORRIBLY managed. They're picking up right where they left off. I walked by 2 days ago and it looked weeks away from completion. Opening tonight would be a miracle.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:43 AM

wheres your fucking refund? plus damages for lost time? fuck these motherfuckers, make them pay.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 11:45 AM

I wonder what time last night Patti came by and they told her the show was postponed.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 12:02 PM

gothamist just walked by the place and from the pictures, it looks like tonight's show will almost definitely not be happening.

http://gothamist.com/2007/09/05/the_music_stall.php

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 1:36 PM

Just called the box office, they say that the show IS happening.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 2:05 PM

"Just called the box office, they say that the show IS happening."

Great. Have fun walking over planks of wood and stacks of bricks. Hope you foot doesn't accidently get stuck in a tub of cement.

I'll bet they will still be working on it while the show is going on. Hopefully it won't be that distracting.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 2:28 PM

I always like the sound of a cement mixer to go with my indie music.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 2:29 PM

Actually, the only thing WORSE than not opening a half finished club for a scheduled opening performance, is OPENING a half finished club for a performance.

At this point they should just not open it until they are done.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 2:30 PM

i dont see why you cant have a show at a construction site really, other than the fact people might walk out with the building supplies/tools.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 2:43 PM

The simple solution would have been to get Einstürzende Neubauten to play the opening show.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 2:50 PM

or Devo, you know, the head cover regulations and all that...

Posted by construction guy | September 5, 2007 2:55 PM

this is ridiculous; i was an against me! groupie / gainesvillian (basically the same thing) during the reinventing axl rose period, and the venues they played were pretty much warehouses and cement bunkers. what's the problem with seeing them play a half done venue when they used to play on street corners? who needs wembley stadium when youre an anarcho rock and roller? they just need to cut ten-twelve bucks off the tickets for tonights show.

Posted by nick courage | September 5, 2007 3:48 PM

"I always like the sound of a cement mixer to go with my indie music."

You mean INDY music.

Posted by I flunked Prof. Jones' class | September 5, 2007 4:02 PM

yeah its gonna be awesome to spend $10 for an watered down drink and be body searched by some thug on the way into some dandified hall...and "If it weren't for them, and the shows they've promoted over the past decade or so, your indie-rock-blog-reading-ass would probably still be listening to Fatboy Slim rather than real bands" is the stupidest thing I've heard, which doesn't surprise me coming from a dancer.

Posted by NY grump | September 5, 2007 4:48 PM

Please collapse on the opening night crowd

awful carnage is awful funny

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2007 5:34 PM

As for the 'Bowery Boys Presents" the cancelation should have been posted, at least on the metal lathe that was still exposed on the face of the structure..I went to galapagos and a woman drove from Ellenville , NY only to get stiffed.

Posted by Joe Brooklyn | September 6, 2007 6:51 PM

"you just wait, that place is going to blow away north 6"

"northsix was shitty. the pillars blocked the views of the stage and the downstairs was dirty with a nasty aquarium. I saw some great shows there but I don't miss it."


Do you think that it might have something to do with the fact that the Bowery Presents spent more on the audio system than was spent TOTAL on Northsix? Maybe it's because Northsix was run by musicians, not people who have been in the venue business for decades?

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2007 7:55 PM

Patti was great last night and the sound was surprisingly good for a new venue. Not disappointed at all.
Thanks for the free drink Bowery Presents. Cancellation was not a total loss as it lead to discovery of Galapagos on Tues night.
Hey Patti - You still got it. I'll see you at the Beacon

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2007 11:00 AM

okay, went to the show last night. The place basically looked like a bare bones warehouse. Nothing was painted and everything had that sandy, sooty dusty crap all over it... the floor, the walls etc...

Looked and felt like they JUST finished basic construction

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2007 2:04 PM

Basically was just one big unfinshed room with the exposed brick and drywall and cement floor. Looked a lot like a big box store like Urban Outfitters.

They could just move a bunch of racks of womens clothes in there and it would be appropriate. I don't know what the big deal was in opening a big empty unpainted space. And this couldn't be done on time?

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2007 2:08 PM

Give Bowery Presents some slack. They are a major corporation facing the same problems with construction issues that all major corporations do. They have to pay employees and pay salaries of two high priced people that they hired from live nation to do things like build new venues.

It reminds me of the bumper sticker i once read.

"i don't mind if my lettuce has ddt on it as long as its crisp"

Posted by totalperspectivevortex | September 9, 2007 6:56 AM

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