he needs to stop bitching

Trent Reznor's BLACK?!?! *dramatic chipmunk*

the album was really good. people should have paid for it. they claim they don't pay because the artists get no money and the labels get all of it. finally a method where we pay less and the artist gets all the money and yet people don't pay.

I paid for the Saul Williams record. I paid for the Radiohead record. The difference is nobody including myself knows who Saul Williams is. It would be completely different if Saul was accomplished and had sold millions of records and had tenure with its fans but he doesn't. This model will only work for the proven successful bands and not up and coming bands.

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Trent, did you listen to the record? Take a listen, that should clear up all your confusion.

I downloaded the album and didn't really connect with it, so I chose not to pay. No hard feelings. I just couldn't see myself listening to it again.

With all due respect: Trent, you're a great producer, I have all NIN albums (yes, actual CDs), I listen to them all the time as MP3s.
I downloaded the Tardust album. I really tried listening and listening, but it JUST DIDN'T DO ANYTHING for me.

Trent, don't base future decision on these result, the album simply isn't that good. If I had bought it on CD I would have felt ripped of and manipulated.

I was given a choice, I don't steal music, but I'm not gonna pay for that album.

(Yes, I know Trent isn't going to read this) :)

This is simply the plight of an artist like Saul Williams. He doesn't possess the broad appeal of NIN, and therefore having Trent lend his celebrity to promote Saul will only work in the small percentage of cases where the listener is already predisposed to Saul's work. Some people can appreciate a brilliant lyricist, others want hooks and inescapable melody.

On my local chapter of NPR, WBEZ, the show Sound Opinions discussed this at length, and they rightly pointed out that the album is almost entirely vocal and percussion, giving it limited appeal in the present era of ringtone ready music. Radiohead is an anomaly in popular music. Not a good basis for prediction of what will happen with any other artist. Of course, how many people pay lipservice to Radiohead, but sound and behave nothing like them?

Personally, I prefer Saul's previous, self-titled album to Niggy Tardust, but find his lyrics and delivery so extraordinary that I'll listen to anything he does.

As far as Trent bitching... he's made a career out of it. Why would he stop now? I wouldn't call him the "king of emo" as Saul playfully did, but maybe the "kind of pronouns." You and me, me and you, you.... you.... you

>>"they claim they don't pay because the artists get no money and
>>the labels get all of it."

It is too bad that even in situations where this rationale is invalid people prove themselves hypocrites.

I found this to be somewhat more heartening, though, as it seems to be working well for them:
"Brisbane, Australia art-rockers The Red Paintings take a page out of the Radiohead/Saul Williams book and record their debut full length album without a record label of any sort..."

This article has the details. It's worth a read.
http://digg.com/music/Indie_band_raises_40k_to_record_their_album_BY_DONATION

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