Posted in music | tour dates | video on January 11, 2008

Muggabears
Muggabears

MTV News highlights Brooklyn, Todd P, Yeasayer, Grizzly Bear, Dirty Projectors, MGMT and The Muggabears....

"The Noise From Brooklyn"

A Place to Bury Strangers will play live at Death by Audio on Wednesday January 16 at 11 PM with the Muggabears and Famous Amos.

This performance will be recorded as a vinyl only live album to be released by Important Records sometimes in early spring.

Wednesday January 16.
Cover $5

9 The Muggabears
10 Famous Amos
11 A Place To Bury Strangers

The Muggabears - 2008 Tour Dates
Jan 13 - The Note Chicago, Illinois
Jan 14 - Drake Hotel Toronto, Ontario
Jan 16 - Death by Audio w/A Place to Bury Strangers and Famous Amos BROOKLYN, New York

Dirry Projectors were also recently on NPR.

MGMT was on Letterman

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Comments (125)

hmmm brooklyn...i think thats the new hot borough...or something.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 4:13 PM

i really hope they dont show sea on the clip...its my favorite thai place! its my own little secret! i love brooklyn!

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 4:21 PM

sea a secret? you are an idiot

Posted by bob | January 11, 2008 4:30 PM

i really hope they dont show sea on the clip...its my favorite thai place! its my own little secret! i love brooklyn!

Classic messageboard comment.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 4:34 PM

what time will bob realize that anon 4:21 was being sarcastic?

Posted by daft punk | January 11, 2008 4:36 PM

i really hope they dont show sea on the clip...its my favorite thai place! its my own little secret! i love brooklyn!

Classic messageboard comment.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 4:36 PM

no, you are not an idiot. you are very funny. well done.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 4:36 PM

Wait, why are Muggabears in this? Was every single other band in the entire borough on tour the day they shot this?

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 4:37 PM

Because Muggabears hasn't been personally annointed as an MTV-approved buzz band yet, unlike MGMT? Yeah, that's a good reason for leaving them out. Right.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 4:55 PM

Does that Yeasayer guy only own the one horrible orange coat?

Posted by Jeff | January 11, 2008 4:57 PM

wow - isn't that interviewer the lesbian from America's Next Top Model??

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:00 PM

i feel so expoooosed.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:03 PM

3 things:

1) That interviewer girl is hawt.

2) There's a dude in A Place To Bury Strangers with the last name Mofo which is the ultimate badass name.

3) Those bands were kinda bad...

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:09 PM

Brooklyn is like the Hollywood for scenester outcasts suffering from suburban ennui

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:13 PM

Sell outs

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:24 PM

No, cause Muggabears aren't very popular/good.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:26 PM

horrible.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:27 PM

Doesn't the use of the name Famous Amos for that band constitute trademark infringement?

Posted by heinous anus | January 11, 2008 5:27 PM

todd p is a leech

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:27 PM

your mom is a leech.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:29 PM

They forgot to interview that fucking clown who dances in front of the record store on Bedford on Sundays holding posters about love vibrations. He IS the scene.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:35 PM

todd p is a peach

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:35 PM

When does MTV do stuff like this? Whenever I put it on there's always some awful reality show on.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:39 PM

Oliver knows Eddie Vedder. All of this crap is because of him. We all know this band sucks.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:39 PM

This is a boring time for rock and roll. sad sad sad.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:45 PM

Who is Eddie Vedder?

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:46 PM

this is a pretty decent document for MTV to do. I don't think half of these bands are worth the coverage, but Dirty projectors are, Yeasayer sort of are, and Muggaberas kinda are. the rest? Grizzly Bear is a good entry point for suburban kids I guess.

MTV could (and usually does do) a lot worse.

funny that they cover Todd P in this, he's great but few of these bands ever play his shows. MGMT, A Place To Bury Strangers? no connection there.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:51 PM

except Oliver from A Place to Bury Strangers owns Death By Audio - a Todd P venue.

and they've played Todd P shows before....

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 5:57 PM

I <3 Muggabears.

Posted by Peter | January 11, 2008 6:00 PM

wow all of these clips sound collectively like a bad hangover pimple

and also dirty projectors dude says "fuck mtv" on mtv, nice

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:01 PM

They (MTV) confuse art (Dirty Projectors and Todd P) for entertainment (money).

Posted by Cryn | January 11, 2008 6:01 PM

"funny that they cover Todd P in this, he's great but few of these bands ever play his shows. MGMT, A Place To Bury Strangers? no connection there." ??

Both Todd P and A Place to Bury Strangers know Eddie Vedder! This is fake hype! Crap!

Daft Punk 4 Ever!

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:01 PM

except Oliver from A Place to Bury Strangers owns Death By Audio - a Todd P venue.

and they've played Todd P shows before....

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:02 PM

"funny that they cover Todd P in this, he's great but few of these bands ever play his shows. MGMT, A Place To Bury Strangers? no connection there." ??

Both Todd P and A Place to Bury Strangers know Eddie Vedder! This is fake hype! Crap!

Daft Punk 4 Ever!

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:02 PM

They play Todd P's shitty shows all the time. These bands suck.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:04 PM

dirty projectors and grizzly bear are by far the best bands on here, but are they new and all about the scene right now?

They've been around for at least 3 years. MTV sure takes their time!


Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:05 PM

The interviewer chick was on America's Next Top Model.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:06 PM

The interviewer chick was on America's Next Top Model.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:10 PM

Did Martin Crandall beat her up, too?

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:15 PM

I wonder what Eddie Cheddar would have to say about all this.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:24 PM

I wish I cared

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:29 PM

I wonder what Eddie Cheddar has to say about all this.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:30 PM

as idolator aptly says
"estimated time until some jerky with a WordPress account declares every group profiled here "over": Three hours"

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:33 PM

First!

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:34 PM

They are not the first band to do this. There is nothing special about it. 100 indy bands have done it before. Lame...

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:38 PM

They are not the first band to do this. There is nothing special about it. 100 indy bands have done it before. Lame...

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 6:38 PM

"Fuck this we're not represented by MTV...we don't need money, we don't need magazines, we just need our imaginations."
That's about all that needs to be said.

Posted by Anon Y. Mous | January 11, 2008 6:39 PM

did anyone notice the Mr. Bronwstone concert poster? They're hot right now in the Long Island tribute scene.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 7:13 PM

Indie acts mentioned on MTV is newsworthy? FYI then, MTV promotes Kate Nash a LOT in their morning commercials, like a 30-second spotlight every 15 minutes. (That's the only time I saw a hint of music on that channel.)

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 7:19 PM

That's because Kate Nash is the artist they're doing that for this week.

"Kate Nash has also just been chosen by MTV for their 52/52 campaign. MTV's 52/52 campaign features 1 artist every week of the year for 52 weeks, giving phenomenal exposure to artists with 11 hours of on-air commercial time per week on MTV. Mark your calendars for the 7th of January, Kate’s spots will be airing the entirety of that week."

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2007/12/kate_nash_2008.html

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 7:25 PM

mtv picked a diverse group of bands to represent though. good on them for that. you hate the dirty projectors? then maybe that MGMT shit is up your alley.

And who the hell are the muggabears - those songs on their myspace are shockingly good.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 7:30 PM

im kinda curious cuz i like a place to bury strangers and have never been to death by audio. what exactly would be the best way to get there via subway (and probably taxi too)? thanks

Posted by floch | January 11, 2008 7:31 PM

a place to bury strangers does not run death by audio the performance space.

they run death by audio the effects pedal company. get it straight

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 7:40 PM

Death By Audio is a collective that encompasses both the art/performance space and the effects pedal company.

Posted by James | January 11, 2008 8:26 PM

not a collective per se.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 8:39 PM

Slayer!

Posted by Niggy Tardust | January 11, 2008 8:41 PM

Brooklyn, Minnesota >>>>> Brooklyn Beckham >>>>> Brooklyn, N.Y.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 8:58 PM

Tood P = Toppz

But seriously, can we talk about people from Iowa and Nebraska "claiming" Brooklyn as their roots. This is the one time that "its not where yr from its where you at" does not apply. If I had a dime for every band that has moved to Brooklyn to make it.....

Posted by Sean | January 11, 2008 11:13 PM

who cares where people are from. most of the "original new yorkers" in the Brooklyn scene are from the Upper East and West Sides - if not NJ, LI, and Westchester. Hardly really Brooklynites.

the great thing about NYC is that anyone's from here if they can deal with it and thrive.

Posted by Anonymous | January 11, 2008 11:25 PM

Yeasayer!

Posted by blunts | January 11, 2008 11:28 PM

shit sandwich

Posted by two word review | January 12, 2008 12:48 AM

don't hate brooklyn cause of williamsbuerg, greene point, etc.
pace!

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 1:53 AM

That was kinda lame. The bands they profiled aren't very interesting. Throw a Parts & Labor in there, and then you're talkin'.

Posted by Oh well | January 12, 2008 9:54 AM

Todd P is a fucking leech. "DIY stuff going on in Brooklyn for the first time in a long time". BULLSHIT! What a fucking egomaniac. He takes credit for a lot of other people's hard work that were around WAY before that poser.
He's a failure at opening his own venue. I don't think he does shows at all the "subversive venues" by choice. He's a scenester loser...

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 10:37 AM

@ Anon 10:37AM

To quote a song out of DC that I'm sure a lot of BV readers know and love, "What the fuck have you done?"

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 10:45 AM

Listen, frankly you all are fag morons. You all think the music scene in NYC started like 5 years ago or something. That you all contributed to it and made it what it was. Like Dirty Proj, A Place to Bury Strangers etc are so life changing and new and taking music to places no one ever has before. Or that Todd P(who i like and commend) is doing something all that radical and new

Get over yourselves. Many people, bands etc were here long before you were and were amazing and doing all the same things and playing great music.

It is really pathetic but fun to watch you guys bash each other thinking you are so original and each one knows more than the next one.

Continue on with the foolishness.

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 11:11 AM

Anon. 10:45 AM:

In "The Emperor's New Clothes," the child who points out that the emperor is unclothed does not work in the garment industry himself.

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 11:17 AM

"To quote a song out of DC that I'm sure a lot of BV readers know and love, "What the fuck have you done?""

It's tasteless to go on message boards or ESPECIALLY MTV to brag about "what you've done". Especially when you haven't really done anything that exceptional.

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 11:24 AM

I'm an angry message board commenter and I'm going to use my rage to change the world...through messageboards.

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 3:13 PM

kim (mtv/antm chick) went to wesleyan with the guys from mgmt

Posted by fyi | January 12, 2008 6:26 PM

Well said, Anon@10:45.

Posted by Mark B. | January 12, 2008 8:31 PM

10:37 AM, 11:24 AM

I don't know what you're hearing in this piece, but I don't hear a second of anybody bragging about anything on that clip - just a lot of different people talking about how much they're loving the scene in their town.

The idea that NYC is a better place than 10 years ago because all of us boho creative types now aren't confined top Manhattan is pretty universally accepted and true. 10 years again NYC had a lot less interesting going on music-wise, that is fact. The genesis of Brooklyn as a place to live, form bands, and see / organize shows has been great for the scene.

That things in NYC music are better and that the Brooklyn renaissance played a huge part in things getting better is totally, unequivocally true.

While this MTV piece is pretty surface level and arbitrary as to who gets coverage and who doesn't, not one of those bands or Todd P or anyone who's in it tries to claim responsibility for what's happened.

It's good that MTV at least tried to document things though, because the NYC scene is flourishing and a lot of that has to do with the new informality and explosion in places to practice and play that have come with Brooklyn being a new center of gravity for the music scene.

Why shit on that attempt, even if some of these bands aren't the best?

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 9:42 PM

nobody's bragging about anything, people consent to interviews when asked. it's not an egotistical exercise to accept interview requests, even if the coverage ends up flattering.

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 9:49 PM

What time does Daft Punk move to Brooklyn?

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 9:51 PM

for all the people complaining about what bands were covered - what shpuld they have been?


i can't think of any other than parts & labor really - and didn't they just lose their drummer anyway?

Posted by Anonymous | January 12, 2008 10:56 PM

"The idea that NYC is a better place than 10 years ago because all of us boho creative types now aren't confined top Manhattan is pretty universally accepted and true. 10 years again NYC had a lot less interesting going on music-wise, that is fact. The genesis of Brooklyn as a place to live, form bands, and see / organize shows has been great for the scene.

That things in NYC music are better and that the Brooklyn renaissance played a huge part in things getting better is totally, unequivocally true."

The statement from this jackass is exactly why the people above wrote those complaints. What a joke this fucking jerkoff is. Where do you see it being a universally accepted and true statement???? Ya mean from other morons like yourself? You are seriously an idiot if you believe this. This statement above only has one true fact in it. The person writing it has not lived in this city for more than 4 or 5 years if that at all. Oh and also that he is really dumb.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 10:45 AM

"The idea that NYC is a better place than 10 years ago because all of us boho creative types now aren't confined top Manhattan is pretty universally accepted and true. 10 years again NYC had a lot less interesting going on music-wise, that is fact. The genesis of Brooklyn as a place to live, form bands, and see / organize shows has been great for the scene.

That things in NYC music are better and that the Brooklyn renaissance played a huge part in things getting better is totally, unequivocally true."

The statement from this jackass is exactly why the people above wrote those complaints. What a joke this fucking jerkoff is. Where do you see it being a universally accepted and true statement???? Ya mean from other morons like yourself? You are seriously an idiot if you believe this. This statement above only has one true fact in it. The person writing it has not lived in this city for more than 4 or 5 years if that at all. Oh and also that he is really dumb.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 10:50 AM

I think anyone who could possibly make such a jack ass jerk off moronic idiotic dumb comment like 9:42pm there must have lived in New York for like negative 17 and a half seconds.

you jackassed jerkoffed moronified idiot-o-tardic dumbbutt dumb-y!!

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 12:03 PM

you're all stupid and you stink like my grandma's pussy!

everybody knows the BEST bands play at Arlene's Grocery and the Annex and Delancey! Those places have got it goin on!

Where's Brooklyn's BB King Blues Club, huh?

Where's Brooklyn's Fillmore East at Irving Plaza at Lincoln Center South at the Grand Ole Opry North?

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 12:09 PM

until Brooklyn produces it's own the Datsuns, it will never overtake Dunedin as the center of the NYC music scene

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 12:19 PM

hey 10:45 AM - how do you know 9:42pm is a 'HE' huh?

maybe it's a hermaphrodite, and you're just a useless asshole on the computer at 10:45 on Sunday morning.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 12:24 PM

hey 10:45 AM - how do you know 9:42pm is a 'HE' huh?

maybe it's a hermaphrodite, and you're just a useless asshole on the computer at 10:45 on Sunday morning.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 12:27 PM

Dedicated to Anons 9:42p, 12:03p and 12:24p

Bus Ride to NYC from some shit ass town in the midwest-300.00

Trying to seem cool by renting in Williamsburg-2500.00/month

Finding out you are completely irrelevant-Priceless


Sorry the music scene you seem to think you made so much better was amazing before your pathetic asses got here. Way to be bitter.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 1:08 PM

the Midwest ain't had shit going on for 10 years. It's a graveyard between here and Cali, and Cali isn't too much better either.

Love it or shit talk it, Brooklyn and the East Coast are tops in the 2000s

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 1:36 PM

New York had a shitty ass scene in 1998.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 1:43 PM

"New York had a shitty ass scene in 1998."

Says you fuckhead, I saw many great bands here in 98.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 1:46 PM

who all were all these "good bands" that formally existed in brooklyn in the 90's according to you people? And what became of them?


Talk about falling into complete obscurity (if they existed at all).

And it's not like they didn't have a platform to be hyped up in - college radio was still in full swing then.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 2:03 PM

not to mention bands that were in NYC in 1998 lived in fucking New York City, home to every national magazine, plus MTV, plus regular mainstream press. how did their scene come and go without leaving a mark?

let's look back for a minute...

oh, how every single day I miss late era Versus and +/-! THOSE bands were really a great fucking scene. oh, and don't forget Luna. And Two Dollar Guitar (though it sure is easy to completely forget about all of them). And any show that ever happened in the dank, shit sounding, impersonal CB's Gallery basement. I really miss having Brownies and Mercury Lounge to choose from for shows. And teeny bopper punky garbage at ABC No Rio. Yeah, late 90's NYC was a real watershed moment.

Now we have what, dozens of shows happening every night with new fresh sounding bands with young members that aren't just grown up side projects of washed up late eighties New York crap, and a scene that's getting international recognition? geez, now really sucks! take me back to those LES / East Village glory days right away. Brooklyn, you know, who needs it?

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 2:25 PM

you are cutting edge. I think that's the 1st time I've ever seen anybody make a joke with those Master Card priceless ads before

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 2:37 PM

dave longstreth made me giggle.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 3:22 PM

There's a scene. It exists. If you think it sucks, try and shape it to your liking. There are many facets to ny music, with lots of gems that aren't even really touched upon by this blog because (let's face it), though I love bv, it's mostly "mainstream indie"-sounding sorta middle of the road content. I wasn't interested in music hardcore enough in the late 90's to rate how good/shitty manhattan was at the time, but who gives a shit? Look to the future. What good is constantly bemoaning something?

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 6:23 PM

Yeah, I'm losing my edge.
I'm losing my edge.
The kids are coming up from behind.
I'm losing my edge.
I'm losing my edge to the kids from France and from London.
But I was there.

I was there in 1968.
I was there at the first Can show in Cologne.
I'm losing my edge.
I'm losing my edge to the kids whose footsteps I hear when they get on the decks.
I'm losing my edge to the Internet seekers who can tell me every member of every good group from 1962 to 1978.
I'm losing my edge.

To all the kids in Tokyo and Berlin.
I'm losing my edge to the art-school Brooklynites in little jackets and borrowed nostalgia for the unremembered eighties.

But I'm losing my edge.
I'm losing my edge, but I was there.
I was there.
But I was there.

I'm losing my edge.
I'm losing my edge.
I can hear the footsteps every night on the decks.
But I was there.
I was there in 1974 at the first Suicide practices in a loft in New York City.
I was working on the organ sounds with much patience.
I was there when Captain Beefheart started up his first band.
I told him, "Don't do it that way. You'll never make a dime."
I was there.
I was the first guy playing Daft Punk to the rock kids.
I played it at CBGB's.
Everybody thought I was crazy.
We all know.
I was there.
I was there.
I've never been wrong.

I used to work in the record store.
I had everything before anyone.
I was there in the Paradise Garage DJ booth with Larry Levan.
I was there in Jamaica during the great sound clashes.
I woke up naked on the beach in Ibiza in 1988.

But I'm losing my edge to better-looking people with better ideas and more talent.
And they're actually really, really nice.

I'm losing my edge.

I heard you have a compilation of every good song ever done by anybody. Every great song by the Beach Boys. All the underground hits. All the Modern Lovers tracks. I heard you have a vinyl of every Niagra record on German import. I heard that you have a white label of every seminal Detroit techno hit - 1985, '86, '87. I heard that you have a CD compilation of every good '60s cut and another box set from the '70s.

I hear you're buying a synthesizer and an arpeggiator and are throwing your computer out the window because you want to make something real. You want to make a Yaz record.

I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought turntables.
I hear that you and your band have sold your turntables and bought guitars.

I hear everybody that you know is more relevant than everybody that I know.

But have you seen my records? This Heat, Pere Ubu, Outsiders, Nation of Ulysses, Mars, The Trojans, The Black Dice, Todd Terry, the Germs, Section 25, Althea and Donna, Sexual Harrassment, a-ha, Pere Ubu, Dorothy Ashby, PIL, the Fania All-Stars, the Bar-Kays, the Human League, the Normal, Lou Reed, Scott Walker, Monks, Niagra,

Joy Division, Lower 48, the Association, Sun Ra,
Scientists, Royal Trux, 10cc,

Eric B. and Rakim, Index, Basic Channel, Soulsonic Force ("just hit me"!), Juan Atkins, David Axelrod, Electric Prunes, Gil! Scott! Heron!, the Slits, Faust, Mantronix, Pharaoh Sanders and the Fire Engines, the Swans, the Soft Cell, the Sonics, the Sonics, the Sonics, the Sonics.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 6:25 PM

Anon 2:25om you have to be fucking kidding me right? Many amazing shows happened at Brownies and Mercury and ABC No Rio. Many amazing bands played. Why does it seem different right now? Well let's see you fucking Einstein. Could it be because of the exact thing you are commenting on now? Did you even think of that genius? The advance of the Internet and the rise of Weblogs is what has changed the situation. If you really think bands like Dirty Projectors, Yeasayer, Grizzly Bear etc etc would be as known or talked about even without that then you are clueless.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 6:43 PM

wow - 6:43pm / 10:50am

you are a very angry about all this.

did this year's scene kill your dad?

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 7:46 PM

wow - 6:43pm / 10:50am

you are a very angry about all this.

did this year's scene kill your dad?

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 7:50 PM

ok... so your logic, 6:43pm, is that the internet is why the scene today is getting a little recognition, and it's existence explains away any comparisons to 10 years ago NYC's scene and now.

so... do they not have the internet in Chicago, San Francisco, DC, Austin, or any of the other towns who aren't getting any recognition either?

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 7:53 PM

"Many amazing shows happened at Brownies and Mercury and ABC No Rio."

true. that's right, even when NYC couldn't produce a decent band to save it's life in the 90's, there were still some decent shows to see. Touring bands still came through town, and that meant some amazing shows happened at Manhattan's meager venue options (when those bands could score a show at least).

Trouble back in the late 90's "day" was always that the bands from here sucked and didn't tour, so the contacts they had with bands across the country were minimal.

Often times amazing bands from elsewhere would know nobody in NYC, and since NYC has always spent so much much time figuratively gazing upon it's own navel music-scene-wise, show bookers and club owner people here would almost always be out of touch with what the rest of the country produced in terms of bands.

It made New York a weird zone to try and play in back then. Thankfully things are different and better now, largely since there is Brooklyn to play in these days, and that scene is crawling with great bands who tour and has dozens of places to set up shows with those bands.

Brooklyn's existence means you can live in NYC and have a job that might allow you to tour. It also means that you can find places to put on shows or practice that don't have apartments above them. These things make the playing field in NYC immeasurably better than when Manhattan was the only option for living la vida bohemia while living in NYC.

Then and now, Manhattan is too expensive and restrictive. It has only gotten worse.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 8:11 PM

2 more and this thread hits 100!

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 9:28 PM

ah democracy

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 9:42 PM

democracy sucks!!!!!!!

yay message boards!!!

you're all stupid and you stink and we need to get past the vitriol; you're *BOTH* idiots.

ahhhhh!!! message boards!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 9:53 PM

100

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 9:54 PM

I just realized something, the guy who wrote 1:46pm and 2:03pm are the same guy, and he's bitching because he thinks we're shitting talking the "NYC Scene" in 1998 over the Brooklyn scene in 1998.

Only - he thinks we're saying "NYC scene" to mean Manhattan.

Dude, people say NYC to mean the whole city.

Unless you haven't left Manhattan in like 30 years, no one means it that way anymore. NYC is the whole city, with the boroughs, whereas the little dick shaped island you live on is called MANHATTAN. Anything that happens there specifically would get called the "MANHATTAN scene", not the "NYC Scene".

get it straight.

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 10:07 PM

nobody is claiming there was a Brooklyn scene in 1998.

What's being said is that the very fact that there is a Brooklyn scene now, versus in 1998, is what makes the NYC scene (NYC as a whole city, not just talking about Manhattan here) better now than it was then.

ok, got it?

Posted by Anonymous | January 13, 2008 10:10 PM

Ummm pardon me but what is this successful Brooklyn scene that you speak of that makes the entire NYC music scene better? As i see it, and checking record sales and venues played to confirm, it seems this so called scene you speak of is not successful at all. I mean if playing to glorified house parties and being lauded on blogs makes you successful then yes a smashing success. I mean jeez christ the bands you speak of that are so successful cant even sell out a 600 person club. They get booked as opening acts over and over. Sales of their records are not even worth shouting about. I mean i know the industry is a different beast this day but what you have here is nothing compared to say Seattle of the 90's. It seems to me the same 1 or 2 Bklyn idiots crowing on about how successful their "scene" is have no real idea what success actually is. I assure you it is not being profiled by MTV these days.

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 1:12 AM

I think "successful" is being said in terms of the music, irrespective of sales.

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 1:44 AM

"I think "successful" is being said in terms of the music, irrespective of sales."

Ok well the music coming out of Brooklyn is nothing new or special or radically different. Some of it is good and a lot of it is bad. So I would not call it "successful"

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 2:15 AM

yeah the 4th quarter earnings reports for the Brooklyn scene were totally disappointing.

our shareholders are going ballistic - get murray on the phone stat!

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 3:14 AM

MTV get off the air

Posted by un:art:ig | January 14, 2008 6:12 AM

CW 11 get off the air!

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 6:17 AM

Im not reading this whole thread, but come on guys, MTV?! that shit should be blown up. Thats the devil right there, anything that's good thats happened in music last 10 year is in spite of MTV who do their best fuck up any music they get their hands on. If I saw an MTV truck on Bedford id probably go egg it.

MTV- stay the fuck away, we hate you.

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 8:49 AM

everyone on here is retarded.

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 11:51 AM

everyone on here is brilliant.

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 12:14 PM

MTV and Major League Baseball are controlling our thoughts through satellites.

aluminum foil head protection for everyone!

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 1:07 PM

Now all we need is for Mark McGuire to hit a few dingers and we can bury this whole, sad Brooklyn business behind us.

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 1:19 PM

*dinger

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 2:36 PM

I would prefer to see McGwire hit a few diners. Preferably while they are commenting on BV.

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 2:49 PM

I wonder what Eddie Cheddar has to say about all this!?!

Posted by Anonymous | January 14, 2008 10:39 PM

never let this thread end! it's a good 'un!

Posted by Anonymous | January 15, 2008 12:02 AM

When was MTV at Galapogos?

Posted by Anonymous | January 15, 2008 6:18 AM

probably at cmj for that place to bury strangers show?

Posted by Anonymous | January 15, 2008 11:51 AM

amazing show tonight for muggabears and strangers - this vinyl release is going to be a good one

Posted by Anonymous | January 17, 2008 12:16 AM

MTV was at the APTBS cmj show at Galapagos, but they were there for Jay Reatard.

Posted by Anonymous | January 17, 2008 1:37 PM

#4
we don't need magazines, we don't need money. we just need.....our imaginations.....

#3
there are people who come to the shows just to SEE MUSIC....

#2
no one cares that you don't have "true brooklyn roots"...


#1
"which is probably good, because you don't have to feel you're authentic.....ly.....brooklyn"

Posted by slim | March 10, 2008 8:23 AM

brooklynvegan is definitely an interesting site to check out new bands or just 'music news'. however, i think the most interesting part is to read all the ridiculous comment fights
- i don't think the band selection they used for this doc. was very diverse. they should have used dirty projectors(as they did), parts&labor, Aa and BABY DAYLINER!(i dont know if hes considered a 'brooklyn band' but regardless hes great)

Posted by Anonymous | March 10, 2008 3:28 PM

Why does it seem that all the posts on here turn into big arguments? Relax people...

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