Posted in music on February 12, 2008

by Nick Masi (No Age's biggest fan)

the crowd @ the Market Hotel - Feb 11, 2008 (CRED)
No Age in Brooklyn

Sometimes you leave a show and feel like you've witnessed something special. Such was the case for me at the No Age show at Market Hotel in Brooklyn last night. The place was packed, and unlike the show they opened for Liars @ Warsaw, this crowd was absolutely insane. From the very first note to the last, people did not stop dancing, swaying and slamming into each other. The music was fast and loud - the way punk rock is supposed to be played. Every song was performed with intensity and heart.

The space itself was also great - one of the most fun venues I've been to, though cold. After entering through a barely-noticeable door on a side street, you walk up a STEEP set of stairs. The triangular shaped performance area gave it an amphitheater like feel with the stage at the narrowest part and a wooden bleacher structure in the back. Lit only by a few candles and dim lights, the Market Hotel did a great job at setting the mood. The bar is in a separate room in the back, and that was tight and filled up quickly. The major complaint was the lack of heat, but everyone (myself included) seemed to forget about that problem once No Age took the stage.

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Comments (132)

was eddie vedder there?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 11:25 AM

i'm glad I stayed home and played Wii

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 11:31 AM

I guess if you've never heard any punk music before, ever, in your life, then NO AGE are kind of interesting.

Posted by Billy Jo Armstrong | February 12, 2008 11:42 AM

lack of heat? by the time no age went on - it was steamy in there!

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 11:44 AM

Well, Billy Jo, not all songs can be as hard as 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams.' snooooooze.

Posted by punkhero | February 12, 2008 11:47 AM

"lack of heat? by the time no age went on - it was steamy in there!"

more people = more heat.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 11:49 AM

Great White.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 11:55 AM

how was High Places? when does their album come out?

Posted by anon | February 12, 2008 11:57 AM

"Great White."

I laughed. Then felt guilty.

Posted by feedbacker | February 12, 2008 12:01 PM

sounds like a fucking death trap to me. I mean in case of a fire. Typical Todd P. bullshit, though.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 12:04 PM

what about the rumor that they were turning people away before doors even opened? was that just a bunch of hooey?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 12:16 PM

my favorite part was when the witches of bushwick performed the sacred ritual of toddler-esque drumming retard calisthenics

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 12:21 PM

Will any more shows be booked at this "Market Hotel" now that The Man knows about it?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 12:21 PM

my favorite part was when the witches of bushwick performed the sacred ritual of toddler-esque drumming retard calisthenics

zing!

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 12:29 PM

no age killed it - one of the best todd p shows since deerhunter/dirty projectors at the silent barn! well done and that venue is amazing.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 12:32 PM

any pictures from this show?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 12:49 PM

Todd Patrick blows.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 12:50 PM

someone explain how "the MAN knows about it"

Posted by Billy Jo Armstrong | February 12, 2008 1:06 PM

no, no one was turned away, it was quite busy but definitely not at capacity. doors are at 9:30 though, maybe people were asked to hang somewhere else if they showed up at 9.

and since this space was a venue ages ago, throwing shows there isn't exactly against the law.

there are also 3 exits.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:08 PM

got there at around 10:15. No one was turning anyone away. I had a great time.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:09 PM

3 Exits?? For 900 people?
And the "venue ages ago" was an illegal "speakeasy"/drug-den run by illegal aliens.

Todd P is really pushing the envelope with this one. Eventually some major fucking fiasco is going to happen at one of his "events", which will hopefully not include a fire, people dying, and our favorite self-promoting-promoter getting hauled off to jail for crim-neg homicide.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:12 PM

who said anything about 900 people?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:13 PM

what's all the fuss over no age for? they're 1/2 a step from mtv/pop-punk bullshit.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:15 PM

I thought the show was awesome. High Places killed it too. It was a little packed near the front but it was a good venue.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:18 PM

"no age killed it", "High Places killed it too"

You know what should be done with every jackass, like these 2 above, who say after every show they go to that the band killed it?
Lock them in a room for 8 hours with Dan Deacon playing nonstop. Actually they would probably come out of there saying he killed it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:29 PM

i love what Todd does for the music community here, but the man needs to invest in a better PA. or at least an intern that actually knows how to mix sound.

that said, High Places was cool, if a little underwhelming. the girl certainly doesn't match the energy of the guy. (loved all his little toys and his energetic 'drumming.')

and what the hell was with that first band?! the audio equivalent of a 30-minute rectal exam.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:33 PM

high places' sound was off when they started, but to be fair, they use their own PA, and todd asked them to turn down after the first song - ended up with a better mix but sounding not as strong.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:44 PM

todd's show doing nothing more than provide s a place for 19 year old art students to pretend they're being part of a scene, while being able to drink 40's illegally.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:48 PM

"the place was packed the bar was packed"? I seriously think todd p should be arrested. And I hope FDNY is reading this

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 1:50 PM

is there a messageboard or blog for people who stay home and masturbate angrily?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:00 PM

"todd's show doing nothing more than provide s a place for 19 year old art students to pretend they're being part of a scene, while being able to drink 40's illegally."

meanwhile you scramble for tickets to see bands at the bowery that todd started booking well before.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:01 PM

WOW - somebody's a hater. Are we supposed to believe that anono 1:55, 12:04, 1:12, and 1:50 are different posters? get a life, loser!

this place has two exits, lit exit signs, exit doors that swing out rather than in, fire extinguishers. everything a "legitimate" or "legal" place has.

perhaps you don't know what you're talking about? there is nothing more safe about Bowery Ballroom or anywhere other commercial club compared to this place.

You're just an alarmist hater - and probably the same jerk with ulterior motives who posted yesterday that there was an wholly imaginary "line two blocks down the street" yesterday afternoon at 5:00pm and so people shouldn't come. you suck, seriously

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:05 PM

I felt just as safe as anywhere else in there

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:07 PM

@ 1:06 PM "The Man" is a reference the so-called authorities or "the law" in this instance.

Posted by Renegade | February 12, 2008 2:11 PM

ever been to ridgewood?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:11 PM

we can talk all about it...downtown!

Posted by bernie kerik | February 12, 2008 2:11 PM

to 2:05: "After entering through a barely-noticeable door on a side street, you walk up a STEEP set of stairs."

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:13 PM

so maybe i'll see you there
we can forget all our troubles
forget all our cares and go...

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:14 PM

the cops didn't come so I don't know what 1:06 is bs'ing about regarding "the man"

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:15 PM

yeah - the people hating on the todd p shows are pretty pathetic.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:16 PM

the stairs aren't especially steep, this is New York, shit is up or down a flight of stairs all the time.

the door doesn't say the name on the space because this place is brand new and also because it's not a commercial venue, it's someone's house in a rougher neighborhood. Not advertising their presence is understandable.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:18 PM

I wonder why this dude is so upset about this place?

I'm guessing one of two option - he either got kicked out last night for being a drunken buffoon and is bitter bitter bitter; or else he runs a rival so-called "legit" space and is nervous about the competition from the underground.

either way, what a schmo - this place is AWESOME

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:24 PM

for serious - market hotel could be the best thing to happen to brooklyn in some time. the space is unbelievable.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:31 PM

high places ran their sound exclusively through their own PA - that's why they sounded like shit at first until Todd helped them tweak their own PA to sound better.

all the other bands used the house PA and sounded quite good. the room sounds really great, I would guess because of the triangular shape and all the old wood surfaces.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:32 PM

did you guys ever hear of Happy Land Social Club?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:35 PM

anyway - I personally think this space was amazing and has tons of potential - but whether or not you like it or hate it, why attribute it to Todd P pro or con? Todd P may be involved in some shows there, but it's not like it's his place. Apparently it's some band called the So So Glos's loft apartment.

sweet deal for them I guess, this place is BIG.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:37 PM

If you don't like Todd P. or the shows he promotes, simply don't attend them. Or here's a novel idea...DO SOMETHING BETTER YOURSELF! But either way...please stop bitching! You sound pathetic and suspect.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:43 PM

High Places' PA aside, i didn't think it sounded all that great (at least when the bands were playing. the pre-show music was fine.) but hey to each his own.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:44 PM

happy land plqppy land.

those two big fires 5 years ago, at that dance club in Chicago and Great White in Rhode Island, were both at fully licensed, "legit" clubs. all those permits and inspections and bullshit didn't save anybody.

If you haven't figured it out, all the "legality" is by-and-large more opportunity to bribe officials and inspectors.

not to mention the whole, let people make their own decisions thing. If I want to see shows in warehouses, why should the government forbid me from making my own decisions about my personal safety?

all that said - this place didn't feel particularly dangerous at all. they had lit exit signs, two means of egress, all the stuff you need.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:45 PM

that said, i love going to these shows and i do think the space is pretty kick ass, especially when compared with something like Silent Barn.

the shows he puts on feel like well organized house parties--thumbs up for that!

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:46 PM

Its it obvious that anon 245, 243, 237, 231, 224 and 205 are all the same Todd P apologist. Must have a financial stake in this scam.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:52 PM

look at the picture at the top of this thread. see those two red schmears in the back of the room above the doors?

those are lit EXIT signs with egress lighting. What that means is they have battery powered spotlights lights in them that automatically come on when the power goes - helps keep you from trampling each other in the dark and guides you to the exits.

This place used to be a club years ago and has lots of vestigial features that a "legit" club would have.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:55 PM

anon 2:37 spoken like a true lawyer. I laughed when I read that.

Also, todd doesnt actually promote these shows, he justs posts them on his website, and all the money is under the table.

Black Dice should be interesting, though. Circle Feb 23 on the calendar.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:59 PM

dude how many times are you going to write the same thing?

you are embittered at Todd P for something, fine. Everybody knows by now you don't like the safety of this place - maybe stop going then? but also maybe explain what exact safety stuffs you think are lacking - I skimmed over all your comments and I don't see any details or facts except that you think the stairs are steep.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 2:59 PM

Yes, and that throng of people will have to get by the hanging wires and decaying ceiling while all passing through those two small exits. Good luck.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:00 PM

hanging wires? I guess you're talking about Christmas lights? Christmas lights don't scare me, bud.

last time I checked, people aren't walking on the ceiling, "decaying" or otherwise, to get out in case of fire.

did you see the fire exit on the Broadway side? it's a grand staircase over ten feet starting from where the bar was and leading to double doors to the street. hardly small or narrow.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:04 PM

hanging wires? no.

i didn't notice any "decaying ceiling" either


Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:05 PM

that is to say, that second staircase is over ten feet WIDE. pretty big, could accommodate a lot of people in an emergency

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:05 PM

Anon 2:52 What would be even cooler would be if there was only ONE hater with a negative attitude like you in all of NYC. Unfortunately and sadly, the chances of that are about equal to the chances of all the posters you list being the same person.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:06 PM

Ech. Wading through this mess to see what people thought of the first band Rings, and it seems like they're not getting much love and a few snarky comments. I guess they weren't a good match for a club waiting for a punk band.

Posted by nyctaper | February 12, 2008 3:08 PM

there are many many people writing here about the show, almost all very positive, save for a few "there's no accounting for taste comments" about the bands and the sound mix.

there is only one raving, angry hater posting over and over again, determined to convince people that this place is less safe than it actually is. he is very likely the same guy who yesterday posted that the place was sold out and had a line around the block yesterday at 5:00pm.

He has ulterior motives , and doesn't actually care about anyone's safety.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:11 PM

THE ROCK SAYS KNOW YOUR ROLE JABRONI, GET OFF THE FUCKING INTERNET, AND GO BACK TO YOUR SOUL-SUCKING JOB

Posted by the Rock | February 12, 2008 3:16 PM

yeah. people didn't like Rings. -I- liked them!

why is underground music in NY so bifurcated into party thrash mosher kids and folks who like more quiet listening to music?

This divide does not exist in other scenes, LA for instance. The Matts and Kims hang with the Social Registry types out there.

Granted the Rings women aren't amazing players, but they work into a pretty awesome noise rhythm fervor that always teeters on an interesting edge. I think they're great.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:16 PM

Todd Patrick does not blow. Tera Patrick does.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:16 PM

NYCTaper--i wrote the 'snarky' comment about the first band, which wasn't Rings. It was Skint, apparently an offshoot of Telepathe. to say the least, i wasn't a fan.

i've seen Rings twice now (first time was at Glasslands a few wks ago), and while i appreciate some parts of their approach, i always feel like i'm watching a band practice than an actual show. does that make sense? maybe they sound better on record, i don't know. it is pretty cool that Kria Brekkan recorded them--i'm interested to see what that sounds like.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:17 PM

Thanks for the clarification. I was at that Glasslands show too, and thought Rings were pretty excellent. They were also really nice after the show (particularly Nina) when I asked permission to post my recording on my site. I guess they need the right kind of crowd to appreciate what they're doing on stage, and maybe last night was not quite the best fit.

Posted by nyctaper | February 12, 2008 3:22 PM

2:57 - anon 2:37 didn't sound bs or lawyer-y to me. I live at Market Hotel and I can tell you, Todd does promote these shows and he organizes them, anyone who thinks the shows are just re-listed on his site are mistaken. he busts his ass.

It is -our- home though. There is little money to speak of from doing shit like this, the door money goes to the bands and the bar doesn't make a lot of cash since we let people bring their own in. It's for fun by, and large, helps in an minor league way with the rent, but doesn't cover it.

Todd could be making a lot of money if he did the same promotion in spaces where he charged more at the door and confiscated people's bags of beer, but he doesn't like that sort of thing and so would rather just barely break even than promote bad vibes.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:26 PM

How were No Age?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:28 PM

Skint was a dance troupe. the music was incidental, but because most people couldn't see what they were doing (they didn't use the stage), people didn't see the dancing and thought the incidental music was their act. pity.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:36 PM

no age killed it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:41 PM

to 3:26 nah man I was only joking. especially about the money part. The list of shows looks killer too, Im looking forward to Zs as well.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:41 PM

they should have used the stage!

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 3:41 PM

Oneida on March 22!

Posted by nyctaper | February 12, 2008 3:47 PM

Could we stop this hand-wringing over Market Hotel and discuss the cultural significance of Limp Bizkit?

Its just one of those days
When you don't wanna wake up
Everything is fucked
Everybody sux
You don't really know why
But you want justify
Rippin' someone's head off
No human contact
And if you interact
Your life is on contract
Your best bet is to stay away motherfucker
It's just one of those days!!

[chorus]
Its all about the he says she says bullshit
I think you better quit
Lettin' shit slip
Or you'll be leavin with a fat lip
Its all about the he says she says bullshit
I think you better quit talkin that shit
(Punk, so come and get it)
Its just one of those days
Feelin' like a freight train
First one to complain
Leaves with a blood stain
Damn right I'm a maniac
You better watch your back
Cuz I'm fuckin' up your program
And if your stuck up
You just lucked up
Next in line to get fucked up
Your best bet is to stay away motherfucker
Its just one of those days!!

[chorus]

I feel like shit
My suggestion is to keep your distance cuz right now im dangerous
We've all felt like shit
And been treated like shit
All those motherfuckers that want to step up
I hope you know I pack a chain saw
I'll skin your ass raw
And if my day keeps goin' this way I just might break somethin' tonight...
I hope you know I pack a chain saw
I'll skin your ass raw
And if my day keeps goin' this way I just might break somethin' tonight...
I hope you know I pack a chain saw
I'll skin your ass raw
And if my day keeps goin' this way I just might break your fuckin' face tonight!!
Give me somethin' to break
Give me somethin' to break
Just give me somethin' to break
How bout your fuckin' face
I hope you know I pack a chain saw, what!!...
A chain saw, what!!...
A motherfucking chain saw, what!!...
So come and get it

[chorus]

Posted by Wes Borland | February 12, 2008 3:49 PM

i love you

Posted by Fred Durst | February 12, 2008 3:55 PM

SOOO i guess from reading all the comment it boils down to this. Will the idiots who go to these shows think every band that plays kills it or will these same idiots get killed by going to these shows.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 4:11 PM

4:11 - go to comedy school, cause you ain't funny

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 4:22 PM

this is off topic but does it ever piss you off at that log jam at Webster Hall when the show is over? last time we went there it took us like fucking 15 minutes to get out of that place.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 4:25 PM

why are people who go to these shows idiots in your exalted opinion? seem pretty smart to me, finding out about new bands while they're still electric and awesome - unlike all you Bowery Ballroom losers.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 4:26 PM

I'd be way more scared to be in Webster Hall in a fire than I would be in Market Hotel.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 4:28 PM

guys, events safety is the new veganism. its REALLY important.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 4:34 PM

yeah, Webster Hall in a fire wouldn't be a picnic, I tell you.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 4:36 PM

If Webster Hall had a fire, the rush of people to the doors would sink that old floor that's been on the verge of collapse since the days of the Ritz in the 80's.

Posted by nyctaper | February 12, 2008 4:44 PM

wait, so what time did todd get daft punk to come on?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 4:55 PM


The Market Hotel last night = one of the best times I had in a while.

No Age = could have playing longer, but they were great. And they closed with "Chinese Rocks".
Opening bands were good.

too many people went there to take pictures and not dance. if the bloggers and digi-photo queens were getting into it, it would have brought the vibe up 200% percent.
There was a kid holding the fucking speakers so they didn't fall when kids were dancing/moshing/pogoing into it. To answer my own question, that is very cool.
the energy level was through the roof. The kids at the market hotel were nice folks. not everyone could have done what they did last night, and they did it pretty well. I would definitely go back there for more noise in the future..

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 4:57 PM

gee - anyone remember when Webster Hall itself got shut down on the night of the 15th anniversary of Happy Land in 2005?

I -wonder- how they were able to get it back open so quick if it was in violation enough to be shut down. couldn't have been any palms greased there, eh?

and also, I'm -sure- the fire department just randomly shut them down on that particular anniversary night, it was random, right? The fire dpt just cares about all of our safety. they would -never- arbitrarily shut down a place just to get on the news on an important anniversary of one of their big fuck ups...

safety is really important and everyone involved - the police, the fire dpt, the building department - they're all a boy scouts out there trying to to the right for all of us all the time!

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 4:57 PM

quick survey of pro/semipro film crews working the No Age show last night:

Vice TV
Pitchfork Media
two more separate digital video documentary crews
Joly McVie ie. Punkcast

that's a lot of guys/gals with video cameras!

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 5:07 PM

any pictures?

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 5:09 PM

I'd just like to thank Ray Ray and Joe

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 5:19 PM

A damn fine time last night. Seems like No Age can get people going pretty nuts anywhere they play. Even the Other Music in-store during CMJ had a lot of people moving.

I have some photos here:

http://fordhamobserver.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/no-age-market-hotel/

Posted by Adam | February 12, 2008 6:01 PM

4:47,

"The Market Hotel last night = one of the best times I had in a while." you need to go out more.

Posted by no age | February 12, 2008 7:54 PM

CAMDEN TOWN IS BURNING DOWN!!

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 9:41 PM

venom

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 10:02 PM

7:54

hey man, people had a good time last night and people like the Market Hotel. GET OVER IT!

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 10:19 PM

yeah, what is up this dude's ass? everybody seemed to be lovin it to me. band were great, vibes were great.

seems like every time there's an aftershow write up of a Todd P show, the same guy gets on here and tries to convince everybody that they didn't actually have as great a time as they remember.

he always writes in the same style and says the same basic shit. he has got be working for some rival show organization. Bowery? JellyNYC?

drop the jealousy, if you're threatened by these scrappy underground parties, then maybe you should be improving the amount of fun people have at your own shows, rather than bitching and bemoaning about somebody else's.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 10:35 PM

you can't bemoan about something, you can only bemoan it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 10:51 PM

signed, unemployed english major

Posted by Anonymous | February 12, 2008 10:52 PM

blogging. seriously, what asshole. KILLYASELF BRAH

Posted by no age | February 13, 2008 1:13 AM

I think this board should register users and verify e-mails and end all of this anon bullshit. It just fosters hate and bad attitudes. One account per I.P. maybe?

Watch the stupid comments dwindle.

Posted by Robert Johnson | February 13, 2008 1:59 AM

hey robert. everybody secretly loves the comments and flame wars here. it's like local scene reality tv. people enjoy the voyeurism. getting rid of the anonocomments would kill that.

proudly signed, anonymous.

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 3:13 AM

I agree with Robert Johnson, at the very least the ip extensions should be public so the same person couldnt pretend to be multiple people.

Also guys to say this was a crack den back in the 70s-80s, were you there? I seriously doubt it. Im not saying it was or it wasnt but there were also these places that didnt have a liquor license but were still neighborhood hangout that were like bars, like the above mentioned Happy Land that burned down, and this sounds like it was basically the same thing.

And btw- any time Im in the Webster Hall or Roseland when it's packed for that matter just cross your fingers nothing bad happens, cause you know what a fucking nightmare it is to get out of there on a normal night, so imagine the scene if there was a panic.

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 9:17 AM

Webster Hall is a fire trap, no doubt. But Roseland, for all its incredible negatives, is not. There are a ton of side exits onto the Avenue (on either side of the stage) that never get used during normal exiting. The fucking security has to haul the crowd out like cattle normally, but if there was ever an emergency, its a pretty easy exit out the avenue side.

Posted by Fire Safety Instructor | February 13, 2008 9:32 AM

No peeing in the sink!

Posted by mitch | February 13, 2008 10:57 AM

no yelling on the bus!

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 11:10 AM

did anyone else care that we were bathing in cigarette smoke in an unventilated building? i guess there was nowhere to smoke outside, and all vents had to be closed to keep the noise from getting out.

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 11:38 AM

nope. i'm fine with it. go fuck yourself baby.

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 11:47 AM

if only it were crack smoke...ah the good old days

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 12:07 PM

you just don't remember what bars were like pre-Bloomberg. used to be everywhere had a ton of cigarette smoke.

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 12:27 PM

...or bars at all, since the "bathing in cigarette smoke in an unventilated building" poster is probably about 16

why not try a kimya show "in an alcohol and drug free space"??

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 12:43 PM

9:17

it's the whole pretending to be other people thing that everybody loves doing and reading! That's how you get to learn what people in the "industry" actually think about things. That and blowhard college kid wannabees! It's all good times

anyway, I'd be damn surprised if Robert Johnson himself wasn't a frequent user of stealth anonoposting. I know the guy!

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 12:49 PM

"One account per I.P. maybe?"

"I agree with Robert Johnson, at the very least the ip extensions should be public so the same person couldnt pretend to be multiple people."

Obviously, you two have never heard of dynamic IP addresses. Furthermore, someone intent on concealing his IP address or on using multiple IP addresses could use proxies.

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 1:46 PM

this site would SO lose traffic if the flame wars disappeared.

it's entertainment as well as a peak into how people really feel when they're free to let out their inner asshole (or else their inner corrupt saboteur and crooked competitive steak!)

the whole thing is interesting sociologically.

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 2:00 PM

so is your mom

Posted by Anon Amos | February 13, 2008 6:22 PM

my mom is fascinating sociologically speaking.

Posted by Anonymous | February 13, 2008 6:29 PM

it's true.
i like to have sex with your mom
and then ponder the sociological implications of my penis just having been inside her.

Posted by Anon | February 13, 2008 6:43 PM

Hey All.

The Market Hotel is a place that me and 7 of my closest friends, sisters, and brothers live.

We are all real happy that we can open up our house to great shos and will continue doing so.

The people concerned about fires. Relax. There are plenty of exits as well as extinguishers and exit signs. Also the electrical has all been checked out.

We want to and will succeed in creating one of the greatest spots in Brooklyn to thro shos.

Both shos insofar have been great.
thanks to everyone who came and keep coming...

This house needs you to keep it alive.

Cheers All,

Zach Staggers and the folks of The Market Hotel

Posted by Staggers | February 14, 2008 12:34 AM

^ what do you have against the letter "w"?

By the way, it's not really up to you to decide that a building is safe. Believe it or not, there is actually a whole system for this!
The fact that you admit that you LIVE there on a public message board is idiotic. It's totally illegal.
It's only a matter of time until this place gets shut down, and you'll also be looking for a new place to live.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 9:45 AM

to mr. 9:45.

Firstly, if the "system" defines safety so authoritatively, how come nightclub accidents and fires happen regularly licensed and "legal" places (see: Great White fire)?

And how come scaffolding keeps collapsing at licensed and permitted construction sites all over town, killing workers? Why are there ever fires or accidents at all, since the mighty system has everything figured out to protect us?

Secondly, as for Zach and his friends living in a warehouse space; yeah, those guys are *totally* the first bohos EVER to live in a nonresidential loft building in NYC! I'm sure the city is mobilizing its armies to get right onto that problem right away, because it's really a priority and all.

Lastly, 9:45, you're a self-righteous ass and your ulterior motives in hating the existing of this space are plain. Get over it, places like this will exist and people really like this place and places like it.

Rather than frothing at the mouth to make groundless accusations and predictions, why not go do something creative yourself?

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 11:06 AM

"Firstly, if the "system" defines safety so authoritatively, how come nightclub accidents and fires happen regularly licensed and "legal" places (see: Great White fire)?

And how come scaffolding keeps collapsing at licensed and permitted construction sites all over town, killing workers? Why are there ever fires or accidents at all, since the mighty system has everything figured out to protect us?"

^^^^^^what the fuck is your point? That because of these things, it's ok?

"Secondly, as for Zach and his friends living in a warehouse space; yeah, those guys are *totally* the first bohos EVER to live in a nonresidential loft building in NYC! I'm sure the city is mobilizing its armies to get right onto that problem right away, because it's really a priority and all."

^^^^^^But other people don't go on popular message boards announcing that they live in a rock club.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 11:20 AM

why do you care if this guy lives somewhere or doesn't? leave these kids alone!

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 11:59 AM

To the author of 9:45, 11:20, plus various unsigned, uninformed posts since Tuesday...

You claim that there is "a whole system" to determine what's safe or not, then you say it's irrelevant that this "system" seems to fail to ensure safety all the time.

What you are too naive to know, is that the "system" of licenses and permits is in place as much to make the going tough for little guys who could potentially compete with established clubs (whose lawyers sponsor and write the regulations), and to facilitate opportunities for bribes; as it is to try to establish a modicum of safety for the public. Sadly, the safety part of the equation is often the least important goal of the "system."

In your hoping for the demise of this place, you're:

A.) gunning for the Clear Channels and Roselands of the world against the upstarts and the little guys. Is this really the side of the fight that you want to win, Goliath against Davy? Do you really believe that those establishment places actually follow the letter of the law themselves?

and B.) not giving them credit for the safety measures that the kids in this loft have attempted (ie. there were two emergency exits, and lit exit signs, and emergency lighting, and fire extinguishers in there, I saw them with my own eyes)

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 12:13 PM

money = so called legality

it's as simple as that

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 12:33 PM

these guys don't live in a rock club, they live in a loft apartment that has occasional parties. what's wrong with that? I prefer seeing bands play parties versus rock clubs, myself.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 12:48 PM

Personally, I have to deal with security, venue politics, union rules, artistic control, copyright, and whole host of other meaningless nonsense when trying to record a show. The fact that a show becomes a "party" at THIS venue is so unbelievably welcome in this town where concerts have become bureaucratic money-grabs. In email with my friends at punkcast I've heard that this event was extremely positive. I'm looking forward to catching a show here, and if ANY band wants me to record their show I'll make the trip out in a second. Kudos to Zach and friends.

Posted by nyctaper | February 14, 2008 1:00 PM

indie punk / rock is swiftly being poisoned by hype and lawyers and bureaucracy.

places like this are the antidote

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 1:17 PM

wow I cant believe this thread is still going.

I posted a couple of times here in this thread on safety but yeah I would go there myself just because they seemed to have line up some pretty good bands, and I just can't believe that these bands would go and play there if it was not safe. Maybe I'm naive, fuck it.

At this point yeah, it's gonna feel weird going there, though, reading all these comments.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 2:05 PM

this place is considerably safer than many other places that shows happen. it has two exit, one of which is ten feet wide and leads to dbl doors. it has emergency lighting, it has lit exit signs, it has extinguishers. Many, many places where shows happen do not have these things.

there was ONE prolific dude claiming Market Hotel isn't safe, and that dude is you, 2:05.

Why oh why are you trying to mislead people? Nice sly move there, claiming you posted about safety (as if it was more than one guy doing so) and now are "gonna feel weird going there". DUDE, everyone who has been paying attention knows you are manufacturing this entire line of bullshit.

You just don't want people to go there, and my guess is because you own, operate, or work at a rival space and/or promotion company and feel threatened. It's not the Market Hotel kids's fault that your shows suck! Stop trying to undermine these kids.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 2:28 PM

this place is just as safe as anywhere else to my experienced eyes. stop alarming people, loser.

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 2:37 PM

Market Hotel is terrific! don't fuck with it!

Posted by Anonymous | February 14, 2008 2:50 PM

Agreed...

Welcome to The Market Hotel.

Posted by Zach Staggers | February 16, 2008 2:38 AM

this place is easily as safe as the knitting factory, cakeshop, etc.

Posted by Anonymous | April 18, 2008 1:59 PM

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