Posted in music | tour dates on February 15, 2008

Punk Will Never Diet

Let's try this again.... Tickets are on sale for an April 15th Gossip show at Webster Hall. All tour dates below...

The Gossip - 2008 Tour Dates
Mar 15 - bikini tolouse
Mar 16 - le transbordeur lyon
Mar 18 - olympia paris
Mar 19 - Trocardiere nantes
Mar 20 - Aéronef Lilles
Mar 21 - Shepherd's Bush Empire london
Apr 15 - Webster Hall new york city, New York
Apr 18 - Fillmore san francisco, California
Apr 19 - henry fonda theatre los angeles, California

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Comments (75)

From now on, brooklynvegan should having a policy of not posting pictures of beth ditto until after the jump.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2008 9:16 PM

She looks better with other hairstyles. That picture's a bit too reminiscent of Lydia Lunch.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2008 9:48 PM

Even fat chicks get air-brushed!

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2008 10:36 PM

being a fat slob is so punk

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2008 10:53 PM

I hope they have new music to perform
and I hope it's good, less disco-y

Posted by aggle | February 15, 2008 11:03 PM

wouldnt wanna see her at the chinese buffet

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2008 11:04 PM

"being a fat slob is so punk"

damn straight.

Posted by Anonymous | February 15, 2008 11:17 PM

Scientists from the Keck Observatory confirmed earlier today that Beth Ditto has her own planetary system.

Posted by Crosseyed Sniper | February 15, 2008 11:29 PM

You people are fucking sexist cocks.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 12:22 AM

All you fucking hipsters who hate fat girls who are in bands..get off your ass and try and play some music. I bet you would shit your pants being infront of a crowd for 2 seconds..

what the hell did beth ditto do to you?

ok,now I am gonna go throw up and listen to some dan deacon

Posted by Janey Roberts | February 16, 2008 12:23 AM

she kinda reminds me of every fat girl I've ever met.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 12:49 AM

beth ditto = an inspiration for thousands of fat girls to go gay

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 1:27 AM

her hair looks cute. i hate maybe 98% of the assholes who post comments here. it's kind of ridiculous how disgusting some of you are.

Posted by Mandy | February 16, 2008 1:57 AM

i usually just show love for bv in the comments, but i gotta say....... seriously, the gossip are AMAAAAAZING live. beth is incredible! increddddddible. Her voice, her energy, her gold costumes, the passion in her songs. if you fuckers that only want to focus on the fat come to her shows, you'll most likely get your asses destroyed by the toughest lesbian fanbase in existance-----i know this from experience! but i held my own and in the end it was all love. for beth. for the gossip. oh alcohol. goodnight

but like, why is there a diva magazine? to showcase divas to inspire shy girls? or, for other divas who need inspiration to one up each other. or to diversify the very meaning of "diva" which is so catered to this j-lo vision. this is the magazine that could maybe break down all the walls of diva-division and at the end of the day, some diva will probably be the skinniest anyway so she'll win but in a different way then the fat diva who can really sing (but only black acceptable, aretha-ish, feel it?). bed time!!!!

goodnight bv.

Posted by pretty girl | February 16, 2008 4:56 AM

you know instead of promoting to be its ok to be fat maybe beth ditto should try the whole its not healthy to be fat and live a healthy life style to me all she promting is im fat and lazy and thats okay

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 7:59 AM

I think Ditto would make a great trophy wife.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 9:54 AM

Do they make a trophy for last place?

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 9:56 AM

yes.. but Beth ate it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 10:10 AM

Fat will NVR Sell

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 10:14 AM

I said it before & I'll say it again: Hipsters use the adjective "AMAAAAAZING" way too much.

For example: "seriously, the gossip are AMAAAAAZING live..."

Get some thesauri people.

Posted by Matt | February 16, 2008 10:41 AM

The girl at Mercury Lounge tix window said only a few tickets are left. I'm so psyched for tis show.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 10:55 AM

The BV comments section proves that hipsterism is a shallow identity that only reconfirms the bigoted values of mainstream society.

Posted by eric | February 16, 2008 11:41 AM

spoken like a true chubby-chaser

Posted by Meatloaf | February 16, 2008 12:21 PM

" i hate maybe 98% of the assholes who post comments here. it's kind of ridiculous how disgusting some of you are.

Posted by Mandy | February 16, 2008 1:57 AM"

Mandy, i do not remember anyone giving a fuck what you think. It is clear from the posts you have made that you are a goddamn idiot. So please Shut the Fuck UP.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 12:24 PM

Burn.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 12:40 PM

To all you all you snarky hipsters who hide your values behind walls of past pain, I've got to argue that this culture of Vice magazine cynicism has created an atmosphere where productive discourse is impossible. Yes we know you haven't been able to risk stating an opinion since Bush was reelected, but perhaps it is time move on, and stop being afraid to say what you feel.

Posted by Eric | February 16, 2008 12:43 PM

It is DAFT to contend that refusing to diet is PUNK.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 1:14 PM

punk is about rebelling. she's rebelling against the status quo that has brainwashed our society into thinking that it's not normal to eat three boxes of twinkies a day.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 1:18 PM

It is daft to contend that it is a natural necessity to diet. The ideal body size has shifted drastically throughout history, and it shifts in the present from culture to culture. It is also interesting to note that anorexia and bulimia only exist in the developed world, and in those countries exposed to our media. Beth Ditto is fighting for diversity, and for the right to not have to torture herself to conform to some artificial and unhealthy standard.

Posted by Eric | February 16, 2008 1:24 PM

pretty girl:

I looked up 'diva' at Urban Dictionary ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=diva ) and none of the top-rated definitions are what I consider complimentary. Perhaps the magazine was named Diva to try to take the word away from misogynists. (Maybe the creators of Heeb magazine thought likewise about that term.) However, if the top-rated Urban Dictionary definitions are correct, it's not really a sexist word. True, it is typically used only for women and gay men, but I believe there's a corresponding term (which escapes me at the moment) for a divalike heterosexual man.

More likely, I believe so-called divas think (erroneously) being a diva is a good thing.

The introduction to Diva magazine's "media pack" ( http://media.millivres.co.uk/mp/diva_mediapack.pdf ) states:

Read by over 150,000 gay and bi women, DIVA is quite simply the most influential and successful publication for gay women today. Whether identifying the leading new talent or calling on a list of established [UK] and international stars that includes Angelina Jolie, Missy Elliott, Ellen, Rhona Cameron, Clare Balding and the cast of The L Word, DIVA is perfectly poised to determine new trends and talent on the cutting edge of popular lesbian culture. As such, DIVA has become a trusted source of information and is credited with inspiring trends as often as we identify them...

(I'll hold your hair back if that makes you barf.)

Posted by queenscannibal | February 16, 2008 1:48 PM

DIVA is perfectly poised to determine new trends and talent on the cutting edge of popular lesbian culture. As such, DIVA has become a trusted source of information and is credited with inspiring trends as often as we identify them...


Like "Eco!" Still going strong, still in!

("Punk Will Never Diet" * "The Eco Issue") / DIVA Magazine = Identity politics taken to it's profitable conclusion

The terrorists and the planet both hate us for our irony.

Posted by dola | February 16, 2008 2:09 PM

Eric (2/16 1:24 PM), I didn't really mean what I wrote, I just wanted to work Daft Punk into these comments. But now that you've brought up the issue allow me to weigh in (ha ha).

There are two possible reasons for a person to go on a diet: looks and health. You addressed looks but not health. Most medical professionals maintain that people who are as heavy as Beth Ditto are at great risk for heart disease and other serious illnesses later in life. So refusing to diet is punk in the same way that refusing to stop smoking tobacco is punk. A couple of caveats: Medical professionals are nearly unanimous in condemning smoking, but are not so much in agreement about how high a BMI is too high. I've read that there are some medical professionals who believe that some overweight people who other medical professionals would urge to lose weight would be O.K. with just regular exercise and a healthy diet (not a diet in the popular sense of "go on a diet"). Furthermore, not long ago, a study was released that said that it's not so much how much fat a person has, but whether the fat is "internal" (as opposed to being plainly obvious).

The other caveat: You can lose weight without cutting your intake of calories -- you just have to burn more calories (through exercise) than you consume. (If the reason you want to lose weight is for your health, you still have to keep your consumption of fats low, though. And it takes a lot longer to burn off calories through exercise than it takes to eat them in the first place.)

Posted by Anon. 2/16 1:14 PM | February 16, 2008 2:39 PM

she just needs to start a williamsburg hipster coke habit. she'll shed that weight like WHOA.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 2:45 PM

I really hope she gets better and her condition improves. Poor girl. She shouldnt lose hope.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 2:56 PM

hey eric what are you beths ''transman''

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 4:10 PM

yeah eating 8x your share of daily food is really helping things its a shame that brooklyn vegan is promoting her, it takes 10 vegans to negate the cataclysmic effects of one beth ditto

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 4:20 PM

loads of your favorite indie kings are fat but no one ever says shit about the boys, (les savy fav, dan deacon, c'mon...). are you so threatened by powerful females that you have to reduce them to patriarchal unattainable beauty myths?

whatever...everything you say here says more about you being a sexist, shallow, dumb asshole than anyone you are commenting on.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 4:55 PM

Jesus Christ I am appalled at the ignorance of the majority of those who left comments here. Grow up. Fat jokes are for 14-year-olds.

Posted by sixtypercentgrey | February 16, 2008 5:27 PM

as a graphic designer, i can tell you that airbrushing Beth Ditto's pics will cost you extra

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 6:53 PM

I may be an asshole now - but tomorrow, I can be nice.

Beth Ditto, however, will still be FAT.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 7:32 PM

She has backing from Rick Ruben.

I guess you could say she's "Rubenesque."

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 8:32 PM

it's just great how this thread has nothing much to do with her music so far............. when did this become a blog held to lame hollywood/pop culture ideals?

for every one person who hates on beth ditto for making a statement, there will be so many more girls out there who will stop and think about all the shit they give themselves about looking (or rather not looking) a certain way, and start learning to be ok with whichever ways they are.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 9:10 PM

I heard that Karen Carpenter is a big influence on her. I just dont see it.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 9:27 PM

Anon. 9:27, I see the influence Karen Carpenter has on Beth Ditto — Beth Ditto doesn't want to become sickly and dead like Karen Carpenter.

Posted by Anonymous | February 16, 2008 11:29 PM

Yeah Anon 1:14, I agree. Being overweight can be very unhealthy and fatal. Unfortunately most people are not motivated to lose weight with their health in mind. Rather, it is the overbearing sense that their body does not "look right" when compared to the ever changing standard imposed on them by advertising art directors, fashion designers, the weight-loss industry, and by everyone around them.

Heart disease is something that kills over a long period of time. Negative self-image, and the resulting anxiety and depression that come with it, follows someone every day of their life. More importantly, anorexia and bulimia kill much faster than heart-disease. Anorexia has a 15% fatality rate, and it is epidemic in our country.

So why can't we slow down a little bit, and say that sure, there is a health body weight for each individual person, and sure, to maximize health we should all strive for that weight. But to say that there is only one body type, and that everyone, regardless of their natural size, should strive for it, is pathological. Unfortunately this is the image that our culture perpetuates on a daily basis.

I appreciate Beth Ditto's stand. She may choose to diet at some point, but she should do it for the right reasons, not because her band is suddenly famous, and the all cameras are pointed her way.

Posted by Eric | February 16, 2008 11:44 PM


If you ever actually go to one of her shows you'll observe that Beth is remarkably fit.

I'd defy any of you skinny haters to get up and jump around while belting out soul punk for an hour or more without running out of puff.

Posted by joly | February 17, 2008 4:01 AM

Oh yeah joly, she is the picture of health.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 4:17 AM

Look, i personally do not like The Gossip and it has nothing to do with her. I just do not find them that good a band or even that interesting. I won't make fat jokes on her though because i certainly am not as fit as i could be. And i can pretty much bet for sure that most of the people calling her out on here are probably overweight and unfit themselves. It just makes them feel good to belittle her.
That being said, please stop the bullshit and nonsense. She is not fit and she is not healthy. Being that overweight is bad for the body. Saying things like "oh she makes a lot of girls feel better about themselves" is ridiculous. Cut out the jokes but cut the crap as well. If she wants to be that size or feels she cannot do anything about it then that is her perogative. But to sit here and say she is in good shape and not putting her body in stress by being huge is just wrong.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 4:24 AM

gunshot fi get

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 5:03 AM

She's not so special. I beat her in a pancake eating contest once.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 9:03 AM

I like The Gossip, I truly do. and i bet beth ditto is a pretty cool kid and everything.. i just hate how she flaunts that shes fat.
yes. we got it. the first time.
we realize youre probably gonna die at a premature age. we realize that its like 10x harder to do a simple task.
its so much harder to become skinny, yet anyone who is just gets shot down. how come they dont flaunt it hm?
i still think saying you love that youre fat is clearly just a cover up for being a lazy ass and having no willpower.
whatevz.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 9:48 AM

Anon. 2/16 1:14 PM here again. While I still have some sympathy for Beth Ditto's stand, I want to add the following comment. Recently, I read a post on a blog about travel. The post was about how very overweight people "spill over" onto the adjoining seat on airplanes but don't always pay for two seats. A few commenters told of their unpleasant experiences of winding up seated next to such people.

If you take up more than one seat on a plane, train or bus, have the courtesy to pay for a second seat or a ticket in a higher class where the seats are wider.

Posted by Anon. 2/16 1:14 PM | February 17, 2008 10:33 AM

To anybody who thinks being fat ain't punk, two words: Poison Idea... Sloppy Seconds. The Dicks. The Big Boys. Minutemen. Fucked Up. etc. etc...

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 11:00 AM

There is a wide range of healthy body types, and what is a normal, healthy size for one individual might be unhealthy for another, depending on their natural shape. The kind of activities Beth Ditto engages in onstage could not be achieved by someone who is unhealthy.

I worked for an eating disorder clinic, and have seen the kind of devastation wrought by all of you assholes making fat jokes from the safe anonymity of your computers. I hope you all die alone and unloved (and if your comments are any indication, you are probably incapable of that emotion, anyway).

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 12:30 PM

We're not calling someone slightly overweight fat. the woman is clearly obese, and we need to stop pretending that distinction is not important..

Oh and the Fat Boys used to tour too. And we all know how they turned out.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 12:46 PM

"You people are fucking sexist cocks."

why couldn't they be pussies, you sexist hermaphrodite

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 1:39 PM

"There is a wide range of healthy body types, and what is a normal, healthy size for one individual might be unhealthy for another, depending on their natural shape. The kind of activities Beth Ditto engages in onstage could not be achieved by someone who is unhealthy.


Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 12:30 PM"

Anon 4:24am here again. This is just what i was talking about. Again, the fat jokes are cruel and sick and probably being made by losers on here who are just as fat or fatter than her or certainly far from being in shape. These people are just idiots who only make themselves feel better by making fun of Beth. Part of the reason though that they justify it to themselves though is because of bullshit statements like this one made by Anon 12:30. Listen you are just PLAIN WRONG. Being overweight like she is is COMPLETELY UNHEALTHY. There is no debate. There is not one legitimate licensed medical doctor who would look at Beth Ditto or examine her and claim she is healthy. Just stop it.


Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 1:43 PM

punk will never DIET?

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 3:20 PM

In regards to all the fat jokes I very much doubt that beth ditto has the time to read any of these postings. I'm sure she has a lot on her plate right now.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 3:44 PM

like a mountain of mashed potatos and chicken wings.

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 3:46 PM

I love how everyone here is like "OMG So UNHEALTHY!!11" You select your musicians on how healthy their lifestyles are? Really!? Me, I'll stick with my Gossip, Winehouse, Hendrix, Billie Holiday, Hank Williams, and Pogues albums, you healthy minded folks can keep the Osmonds and Pat Boone.
Also, she's a punk singer. There was once a time when punk = Scary ass scumbag motherfucker. See:Poison Idea, Gibby Haynes, Wendy O. Williams. I applaud Ditto for at least attempting to carry on a tradition that, sadly, seems lost in an era of indie rockers = frat boy Patrick Batemen motherfuckers drooling over shitty ass clean cut douchebag bands. But hey, who wouldn't rather listen to Vampire Weekend then say, the Minutemen - I mean, I heard D. Boon totally didn't eat his vegetables or go to the gym!

Posted by Anonymous | February 17, 2008 11:59 PM

^^^^^^ Ohhh i don't really see anyone on here saying they only like musicians who are healthy. Where did you see that crackpot? Saying she is Unhealthy is stating a fact. Simple as that. I would not like The Gossip if she was a hot ass skinny completely fit person. Their music is just not that good. Also i understand where you were going with your comparisons but to put her name in the company of "Winehouse, Hendrix, Billie Holiday, Hank Williams, and Pogues" is somewhat criminal. Finally I really do not think and hope to hell she is not trying to be hugely overweight to carry on some misguided punk tradition.


Fyi-The Minutemen were one of the all time greatest bands. D.Boon forever!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2008 12:47 AM

the funny thing is that most of beth's songs are about not giving a shit and taking a stand against people who talk shit and put others down just for kicks. she wouldn't be singing and be fat if it wasn't for the haterzzz...

Posted by eliot | February 18, 2008 4:42 AM

No. That's not funny at all. The funny thing is all the fat jokes.

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2008 7:55 AM

seriously..do we need to see more pictures of beth ditto and her 15 rolls on bv? how about posting a link to that linsay lohan marilyn monroe new yorker nude photoshoot instead?

Posted by hipster poseur | February 18, 2008 8:24 AM

What time does Daft Punk go on a diet?

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2008 11:15 AM

HEIL YEAH! Post those Firecrotch shots, she's got big cans!

Seriously, though - Pig Champion from Poison Idea and Randy "Biscuit" Turner both died relatively young, and their health was doubtless adversely affected by their legendary girth.

Posted by Salivating Other Guy | February 18, 2008 1:11 PM

Take frustrations out on yourself,
Think you've hurt all, there's no one else,
Put your head thru a window,
Then hold it high and let the blood flow,
Why do you drink untill you pass out face first in front of me?
Then crawl up and bleed all over my new shirt,
Self Abuse,
In a cold dark alley, the figure stands,
Abuseing himself, dripping in his hands,
He say's he's punishing his peers around him,
Watch this never was, turn has been,
I hope someday you find your place,
With cigarette burns on your face,
If you want attention, don't act insane,
Cause you're addicted to the pain,
Rip the stitches out with your teeth,
And you have the nerve to judge others?
Self abuse

-Poison Idea

Posted by Anonymous | February 18, 2008 1:31 PM

I agree with the Les Savy Fav/Dan Deacon comment. And, really, if we're gonna go for the superficial shit, she's still more attractive than the overweight men of indie.
For real, we better start getting some fat jokes doled out for the dudes.

Beyond that, I'm generally apathetic towards The Gossip.

Posted by Anonymous | February 19, 2008 2:35 PM

Name just one indie rock dude who is as big as she.

Posted by Anonymous | February 19, 2008 2:43 PM

Grimace is in an indie rock band.

Posted by Anonymous | February 19, 2008 2:59 PM

Worst part about all this? Aside from being fat, Ditto is also about as punk as my Dad. And yet, because she happens to be fat, she somehow gets assigned super-punk credentials! People-the album wasn't that good. She craves the spotlight. She spouts mindless platitudes.

Oh and Fucking hell, how many times is "Standing in the Way of Control" going to be "re-issued?" Put down the drumstick and write some tunes.

Posted by Anonymous | February 19, 2008 3:23 PM

anybody who embraces being fat is, first and foremost, a liar

Posted by Anonymous | February 19, 2008 3:35 PM

"Name just one indie rock dude who is as big as she".

Tad

Posted by Anonymous | February 19, 2008 3:38 PM

HAHAHAHA...ok, now, one contemporary indie rock dude...perhaps somebody who has put out a record in the past 10 years...

i think the point is that there is no indie dude who has been deified as a result of his fat...nor should there be

Posted by Anonymous | February 19, 2008 3:48 PM

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