nope.

can someone tell me how knitting factory makes money?

nope.

Dammit Vagina Panther is canceled! Guess I will have to find other plans for tonight.

Vagina Panther: 60% of the time, it works, every time.

and why is there a neon green box over here boobs?!

you can find the NSFW version of that picture at their MySpace.

word on the street is that Bosco Baracus and H.M. Murdock purchased the space to do tactical training opts after their bid for this establishment fell through.

http://www.cliffhangerproductions.com/

We will have more bouncy castles.

Maybe it was bought by Spuyten Duyvil to expand?
Knitting Factory is moving to East 14th Street according to community board records.

CB records might indicate a move to 14th street
but I've even heard the rumor that KF is looking to move to Brooklyn from people who work at KF...
so we shall see

>can someone tell me how knitting factory makes money?

The Knitting Factory never made money at all. At least, it never used to when it was the true Knit. Back then, Michael Dorf went broke. Of course, the music they featured was cream of the crop and the main home of people like Zorn, Horvitz, Frisell, etc. The good ol' days of when NYC had a home for all its styles of music. The Knit these days is a far cry from that. They play host to indie rock shows, more or less. Not that it's a bad thing, but certainly a different thing from when the club started out as having no alcohol and food, just music that pushed boundaries. I guess the Tap Bar there still kinda sorta does that now a little bit. But not really. They're still broke though.

"CB records might indicate a move to 14th street"

Maybe Knititng Factory is looking to have a Manhattan and Brooklyn prescence

Things haven't been the same since they took out the sewing machines.

> no alcohol and food, just music that pushed boundaries.

Sad but true... Unfortunately, that can only happen when rents are dirt cheap. Door money largely goes to bands. Venues need bar and food to pay rent and staff. That's why small venues are disappearing from NY. Luna's problems show W'burg may not be far behind....

> Maybe Knititng Factory is looking to have a Manhattan and Brooklyn prescence

to complement their Spokane & Boise presence ? : )
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2008/04/knitting_factor_9.html

^^> no alcohol and food, just music that pushed boundaries.

^^Sad but true... Unfortunately, that can only happen when rents are dirt cheap.

indeed. there are still places like that, the stone for example, but they're running very far and few. it would be nice to think that people reading blogs like this still get out to support diverse acts along those lines. the kitchen and roulette too.

The old Knitting Factory, under Dorf, actually made a lot of money, but then he would blow it all on other ventures: the record label, KF Berlin, KF LA, and god knows what else. It definitely didn't go to the people who worked at the Knit, who had a hard time getting paid.

Anon 2:51 - Is it the music blog enthusiast's role to get out and "support" diverse acts in the sake of 'keepin' the music alive, man'...?

Or do we just go out and see bands that rock us the right way in the sake of beers and entertainment?

Jes askin'...

Word from the inside of the Knitting Factory (friends of mine are employees) is that they will be closing come August - so it would be interesting if they bought Luna Lounge, trying to start a transition over to Brooklyn sooner rather than later.

maybe if KF buys LL they'll put in a wall between the bar and the performance area so if you don't want to listen to the band, there's a place to go... which is what makes me not want to go there now.

and then the can have AC DC play the new KF, which used to be LL, and we'll all live happily ever after. barf.

"and why is there a neon green box over here boobs?!"

No boobs, that's a pre-hormone-therapy transsexual.

>> they will be closing come August

er.. pretty sure that's next August. It's been oft reported - the KF's lease runs through July of 2009 - and the building they lease space in is being sold and converted to condos - so unlikely that they will be invited to stay.

The Knitting Factory is not closing *this* August.

- one who knows

I give it five years before a majority of NYC's premiere live music establishments are owned by Bowery Presents.

but that's a whole 'nother shell game

i miss the luna lounge on the LES... saw a bunch of friends' bands there back in the day, and the staff was nice. they had elliott smith on the juke. ah, the olden days of indie...

I'm still trying to figure out why Luna would be closed by the DOH in the first place.

Whuza? dirty taps?

"The old Knitting Factory, under Dorf, actually made a lot of money, but then he would blow it all on other ventures: the record label, KF Berlin, KF LA, and god knows what else. It definitely didn't go to the people who worked at the Knit, who had a hard time getting paid."

Right, Dorf ripped off his employees AND the musicians who played there

DOH regulates all food and beverage use - monitoring cleanliness, vermin, maintenance, etc of all operations where f&b are handled. All facilities require DOH licenses and certified staff must be present at all times. They warn you first, then they close you. No real surprises here.

THEY SELL FOOD AT THE KNIT!
SAY WORD?!

NO. Drinks, alcohol.... that's the 'beverage' in 'food and beverage', the 'b' in 'f&b'. Wake the fuck up!

hey bill p. @ 4:03, great idea! if you ask me, not enough music venues have places where i can drink while not watching the show i paid to see!

jackass.

can we agreee that it is nice to have both...?