Posted in music on June 26, 2008

Obama Rolling Stone

Barack Obama is a Stevie Wonder geek. In the Democratic presidential candidate's new interview with Rolling Stone editor-in-chief Jann S. Wenner, Obama waxed rhapsodic about his favorite artists, many of whom -- Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, Jay-Z -- have shown him love with endorsements.

"If I had one musical hero, it would have to be Stevie Wonder," says Obama, who grew up on Seventies R&B and rock staples including Earth, Wind and Fire, Elton John and the Rolling Stones. "When I was at that point where you start getting involved in music, Stevie had that run with Music of My Mind, Talking Book, Fulfillingness' First Finale and Innervisions, and then Songs in the Key of Life. Those are as brilliant a set of five albums as we've ever seen." [Rolling Stone]

Now I am a little conflicted. Although I definitely want to vote for the candidate who likes Dylan and The Boss, I'm not sure I can get behind a person who also claims to have Sheryl Crow on their iPod.

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Comments (124)

Has his personal assistant talk to Conor Oberst's press agent yet? Obama needs to stay relevant.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 4:54 PM

What a shock. Obama on the cover of the liberal propaganda machine known as Rolling Stone.

Posted by CN | June 26, 2008 4:56 PM

what a shock, the currently more popular candidate getting more press than the other. how strange

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:01 PM

Closeted Ted Nugent fan.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:01 PM

"What a shock. Obama on the cover of the liberal propaganda machine known as Rolling Stone."

Actually, it's a bit of a shock that they didn't give him the cover before Clinton dropped out of the race. Or is Jann Wenner a friend of the Clintons?

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:04 PM

What,no love for Luke and 2 Live?

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:04 PM

I'm an avid BV reader & yes, I listen to Sheryl Crow. Does that not make my love of indie music authentic?

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:15 PM

"What,no love for Luke and 2 Live?"

---Shhh! Dude don't spoil the surprise, they're performing at his inauguration.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:16 PM

Anon 5:04pm

This is his second front cover, first as the nominee. He made it onto the cover as well in March.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:19 PM

5:15 of course it doesn't make your love inauthentic. It just makes your judgment suspect:-)

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:22 PM

Can a nigga get a table dance?

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:25 PM

liberal propaganda machine? i thought it was a music magazine

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:28 PM

^^ 5:25. you're an ignorant ass.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:28 PM

"Now I am a little conflicted. Although I definitely want to vote for the candidate who likes Dylan and The Boss, I'm not sure I can get behind a person who also claims to have Sheryl Crow on their iPod."


Well you can sort of understand then how someone on here feels when they love this blog and everything about it but cant seem to get behind some of the tastes of the person running it. Ya know a person who waxes poetic about shit like Dirty Projectors, Dan Deacon, Conor Oberst, The Death Set and a whole host of others i cant recall at the moment

Posted by A Manhattan Not Brooklyn Asshole | June 26, 2008 5:32 PM

WHERES THE LOVE FOR MIA???!!!

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:41 PM

wow he didnt give a shout out to Kanye? thats why obama is a smart politician.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:47 PM

"liberal propaganda machine? i thought it was a music magazine"

Then you obviously have not read it in the past 5 years.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:51 PM

"liberal propaganda machine? i thought it was a music magazine"

To those who don't know they're being inundated with liberal bs, it is.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:51 PM

I'd rather liberal bullshit than mentally handicapped conservative bullshit.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:56 PM

i guess nader was right...he is appealing to white guilt.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 5:57 PM

I love the new John McCain for President ads on this site. About time you young, non-tax paying lemmings were exposed to something non-Obama.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 6:06 PM

People who support McCain are a different, worse type of lemming: people who want to keep unspeakable darkness in power because they're afraid of a world where people treat each other decently and where problems get solved, instead of treading the same tired answers that have been around since over half a century ago. What is McCain going to do to help our environment/economy/terrible war situation? His view of how the world operates is obsolete and does not apply to this century. We deserve a President with ideas that apply to the years 2009-2013 and further, not the 1940s/50s.

People who support McCain should be slapped. It's a disgrace to America.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 6:12 PM

"what a shock, the currently more popular candidate getting more press than the other. how strange"

Yes but if McCain was getting 90% in the polls RS would NEVER run a McCain cover unless they gave him devil horns and a mustache.

It is nice to see that Brooklyn Vegan has stepped up to provide some balanced coverage with the McCain ads.

Guess it's an attempt to be preemptively Fairness Doctrine complaint.

Posted by s | June 26, 2008 6:17 PM

People that don't understand reality or economics and follow Obama and his Socialist (and borderline communist) agenda, should be slapped. This country was built on capitalism and Obama will only hurt this economy more by raising taxes at the worst time. And for those of you that argue he is just taxing the rich so it doesn't matter. Well, that is the money that allows people to get a mortgage or any loan for that money. Remove that from the money supply, and you will find yourself with higher interest rates. Higher interest rates = an even worse housing situation and a worse economy. But none of you think that far. Tax the rich right? Great idea. Until you understand how economics work.

I would like to find a solution on Iraq though and I'm not sure who the best candidate is for that.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 6:21 PM

"His view of how the world operates is obsolete and does not apply to this century. We deserve a President with ideas that apply to the years 2009-2013 and further, not the 1940s/50s."

Actually I would argue that Obama's values more greatly reflect the 40's/50's than McCain's. If you even had a clue what you were talking about you would have compared Obama's policy ideas with FDR's and know that they are quite similar. Also the modern conservative (not that McCain is really a conservative) movement didn't really take off until the 60's and 70's.

Posted by s | June 26, 2008 6:23 PM

Obama is a sheep and a liar. A corporate new world order shill. There are far too many good hearted people being fooled by Obama's false "Hope".

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 6:26 PM

Ever notice how many Comments like the one above are Posted anonymously?

Posted by Seamus | June 26, 2008 6:30 PM

Barack & roll.

Posted by Tito | June 26, 2008 6:31 PM

People that don't understand reality or economics and follow Obama and his Socialist (and borderline communist) agenda, should be slapped. This country was built on capitalism and Obama will only hurt this economy more by raising taxes at the worst time. And for those of you that argue he is just taxing the rich so it doesn't matter. Well, that is the money that allows people to get a mortgage or any loan for that money. Remove that from the money supply, and you will find yourself with higher interest rates. Higher interest rates = an even worse housing situation and a worse economy. But none of you think that far. Tax the rich right? Great idea. Until you understand how economics work

That right, keep the rich rich and the poor poor

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 6:35 PM

"What a shock. Obama on the cover of the liberal propaganda machine known as Rolling Stone."

Never ceases to amaze me how uninformed BV readers really are. RS might have been a progressive, Leftist forum at one point, but for the last thirty years, it has inched to the center (and even to the Right).

Now for those of you talking about Obama's economics and "borderline communist agenda," find me an intelligent economist today who supports Bush or McCain. Start digging around . . . we might hear back from you in about thirty years, when you find some redneck, ill-informed free market maniac who might have actually voted for the GOP in 2008.

Now for the rest of us who actually have read the newspapers and understand politics . . . let's hope for a change.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 6:48 PM

"Ever notice how many Comments like the one above are Posted anonymously?"

Ever notice how stupid your comment is? It's the internet. So what if you write "Seamus" as your name. They are all anonymous comments.

Posted by Ted Logan | June 26, 2008 6:54 PM

all this blind-faith in Obama is a bit silly. everyone is pouring all their hopes and dreams on this dude for no good reason. He has very little experience in the public arena and no one has a clue as to what he actually believes. Instead all you hear about is trivial shite like what's in his ipod or that his pastor of 20 years hates America, white people, etc.

Posted by ObamaPoser | June 26, 2008 6:58 PM

"Now for those of you talking about Obama's economics and "borderline communist agenda," find me an intelligent economist today who supports Bush or McCain. Start digging around . . . we might hear back from you in about thirty years, when you find some redneck, ill-informed free market maniac who might have actually voted for the GOP in 2008."

How about you find an intelligent economist that thinks it makes sense to levy additional taxes on U.S. oil companies. Or find an economist that thinks it is a good idea to increase taxes from current levels. Economists may not support either candidate's economic policy because neither know how to reduce spending (a definite fault of both), but given the choice of Obama or McCain, please find me a real, non-partisan economist that would pick Obama's plan. Try. It's unfortunate that we have to pick between the lesser of two evils, but that is the reality. And if you ever want to have a debate on economics, I'm ready when you are. Since you read the newspaper you must be an expert.

Posted by CN | June 26, 2008 7:00 PM

"Ever notice how stupid your comment is? It's the internet. So what if you write "Seamus" as your name. They are all anonymous comments."

C'mon Ted, everyone knows Seamus

Posted by Kanye's Ego | June 26, 2008 7:02 PM

Now this is a thread worth talking about

Posted by "Seamus" | June 26, 2008 7:02 PM

"Now I am a little conflicted"

about what, whom to vote for? in fairness, mccain is a big sigur ros fan.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 7:05 PM

>>"liberal propaganda machine? i thought it was a music magazine"

>>Then you obviously have not read it in the past 5 years.

um, more like you've probably NEVER read it then. the magazine which started out in, '67 or '68 if i recall, had a photo of lennon from his film of being in the war. it's always had politics behind it. get a clue dude/dudette.


Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 7:13 PM

7:13 - I don't think anyone is debating that there has been a political element to the magazine since inception. But as someone who got Rolling Stone delivered to my door from 1985 until 2005, it has certainly shifted in its focus time and again. And the past few years, it has been less about the music and more about pushing the liberal agenda.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 7:18 PM

what is the liberal agenda?

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 7:31 PM

Election Day 2012 can't get here soon enough.

That's right, 2012.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 7:40 PM

Liberal agenda = socialism...a great idea in theory, but not practical given human nature. And like any other politician on either side of the coin...get reelected. What better way than to raise taxes on the top 3% of people in this country (which increases interest rates and stunts economic growth and ends up hurting all parties in the end). The highest earning 5% of taxpayers already pay 60% of individual income taxes in this country (http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080616/REG/30924454/1017). But hey, the 97% that aren't seeing tax increases love it! Why not have the top 5% pay for 75% of the tax bill. Hell, why not make Bill Gates pay 90% tax rates on his investment income. And you know what? Google's profit margins are too high. We should take more from them too. Right?

Posted by CN | June 26, 2008 7:48 PM

I am now voting for Obama just because I want CN's capital gains taxes to go up.

I can't wait.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 8:07 PM

GODDAMNIT!!!

CAN A MUTHAFUCKIN NIGGA GET A GODDAMNED TABLE DANCE UP IN THIS BITCH????

CAN HE?!?!?!

I WANT AN ANSWER!!!!!!!


Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 8:18 PM

Taxing the top 3% does NOT raise interest rates. Trust me, I am an Economist.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 8:23 PM

You're a pretentious douchebag.

You probably listened to Sheryl Crow unless you are so young, but then your Momma probably had it on.

Posted by Crackbaby | June 26, 2008 8:45 PM

Why do people who don't want to vote for Obama use the argument that "we don't know what he stands for"..? Listen. Read.

I'll take Obama's 3 years in the senate over McCain's 21 any day.

*You'll never see a republican on the cover of Rolling Stone. Get over it.

Posted by comehomenow | June 26, 2008 9:03 PM

"Listen. Read."

Translation: Drink the Kool-Aid.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 9:05 PM

THAT SHIT AIN'T FUNNY MOTHAFUCKA. STEVIE WONDER IS A MUSICAL GENIUS. YOU'RE TERRIBLE. TERRIBLE.

Posted by Eddie | June 26, 2008 9:25 PM

what's with all the right-wing zealots on here?
If you don't understand that when the poor don't make enough money to BUY the shit that the rich shove down their throat, then that's not good for the economy either.
Anyone that would even consider voting for John McCain is either part of a corporation or a redneck dumbass.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 9:50 PM

I farted.

And it smells like McCain.

So, basically, like mothballs.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 9:51 PM

i farted too. it just smells like shit.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 9:55 PM

Obama pimps white omen and black women

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 9:56 PM

CN,

Just to remind you, the Bush administration has broken the back of the American economy. He also has taxed and spent more than any other president in history. McCain repeatedly invokes Bush and his economic plan as his model. What's difficult to understand about that?

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 9:56 PM

GODDAMNIT!!!

CAN A MUTHAFUCKIN NIGGA GET A GODDAMNED TABLE DANCE UP IN THIS BITCH????

CAN HE?!?!?!

I WANT AN ANSWER!!!!!!!

fair enough, here's your answer. no. if you need me to repeat it, bend over and i'll make sure you've got no mistake as to what the response is to your complete idiocy on this site, mr. or ms. fuckface.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 10:06 PM

Is there really a fucking debate at this point?

I mean, seriously?

The Conservative party has fucked this country up so hard it's almost unrecognizable, both to its inhabitants and to its global allies.

It's offensive that there's even one person out there that's not somehow affiliated with the current administration that even wants to argue this.

Our people are fucking dying right now in Iraq for no reason. The economy is in a state of collapse. Gas prices are through the roof. And as a solution to the oil crises, the president wants to just drill more holes in Alaska. Awesome.

If you don't see Conservatives as anything less than a total detriment to our country's well being right now, you're a threat to national security.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 10:10 PM

The idiotic level of the "debate" here is frightening. Each candidate's supporters make me want to vote for his opponent.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 10:24 PM

No to Obama does not equal yes to McCain. but i guess most people need their choices boiled down to the simple and often irrelevant black or white.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 10:29 PM

Well, come Election Day, we won't have any other viable choices, no matter what any third-party candidate says.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 10:39 PM

i can't believe how lazy people are, repeating the stupid fucking line, "um, like, what has he done in the past???" just go FUCKING READ about the tons of work and grass roots organizing he did with the working class people of Chicago for the last 20 fucking years, you morons.

he also spearheaded several bills in the senate that have been elemental in helping working families and their children. and NO i won't fucking do your homework for you. look up his history for youselves.

but PLEASE stop repeating the asinine bullshit about "what has he done?" it really shows how little you fucking read about these people, and how much you listen to fox fucking news.

(i'll remind you of a seriously stupid motherfucker named george w. bush, that REALLY hadn't done jack shit until coming to washington. and no, mismanaging an oil company in texas and buying and selling a fucking baseball team doesn't count).

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 10:39 PM

That playlist is obviously manfactured from Obama's press agency. The choices are very safe, meant to cater to everyone. Call it subliminal pandering.

Not saying Obama is bad, but that playlist is meant to cater to voters. Typical politician stunt.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 11:13 PM

It's made out so we don't have any viable choices, it's not about any other third party candidates either. This system doesn't even allow anyone who actually might help even get close to being elected, look at ron paul or dennis kucinich for example.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 11:18 PM

>That playlist is obviously manfactured from Obama's press agency. The choices are very safe, meant to cater to everyone. Call it subliminal pandering.

for real. it's rather disheartening, to be honest.

still gotta roll for Obama, though.

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 11:34 PM

ron paul and dennis kucinich have great taste in music.

i saw kuch finger bing that girl of his at the last MIA show

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 11:35 PM

jenna bush likes the national and the arcade fire.


bush '08

Posted by Anonymous | June 26, 2008 11:59 PM

jenna bush is a retarded, boozed up whore. i'll give you my fucking house if obama's daughters grow up to be falling down drunks like the bush clan.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:14 AM

a change'll do ya good

Posted by sheryl | June 27, 2008 12:24 AM

"Just to remind you, the Bush administration has broken the back of the American economy. He also has taxed and spent more than any other president in history. McCain repeatedly invokes Bush and his economic plan as his model. What's difficult to understand about that?"

First of all, I'm not sure what you mean by the Bush administration breaking the back of the economy. The economy is cyclical and everything is not perfect forever. This particular economy grew too fast and got ahead of itself. Energy prices spiked because of new demand from developing countries like China and Americans who insisted on driving behemoth cars that got 10 mpg. So, yes the economy is in a downturn right now, but to single out the Bush administration as the culprit...well, I'd love for you to explain to me how they caused people to buy homes they couldn't afford, drive cars they can't afford to fill up with gas or increase the demand for commodities in developing nations. People in America love to live outside of their means (including the gov't) and we will have to pay the price for it in the short term. The good news is that $4 gasoline will finally cause someone to figure out an alternative.

Next, you say that the Bush administration has taxed and spent more than any president in history. Well, Bush lowered tax rates and INCREASED tax revenue as a result, so that is clearly a good thing. But yes, the spending has been out of control (and that includes the Iraq war). McCain wants to keep taxes low (which keep in mind actually increased tax revenues due to the economic growth created) and also wants to curb spending. Will he actually curb spending? I sure hope so. Bush failed miserably at that and Republicans are just as mad about that as anyone. But you cannot argue against lower taxes increasing tax revenue. It is a proven fact. I just hope McCain would stick to his word and drastically cut spending. Obama is the tax and spend candidate.

Posted by CN | June 27, 2008 12:28 AM

^^ fucking hilarious. yes, he lowered taxes during war time (the only president to have ever done such a brilliant move)--resulting in, yes, you guessed it, THE HIGHEST FUCKING DEFICIT THE NATION HAS EVER FACED. his fiasco of a war has essentially broke the coffers of D.C. and in turn caused the dollar's strength (its allure to world investors) to plummet to 2nd world levels on the world market. HIS BOTCHED WAR IS APPROACHING ONE TRILLION FUCKING DOLLARS AND STILL NO END IN SIGHT.

bush also created AN ENTIRE NEW DEPT. of the fucking government, making big spending liberals of the past look like fucking PUSSIES. (SMALLER GOVT AND LESS SPENDING MY ASS) even most die hard (that is, traditional) conservatives fucking baffle at how he's inflated the budget in washington with his mickey mouse fucking war and his rampant spending.

he has ROYALLY fucked this country. A FUCKING RETARDED CHILD could not have done as much harm. HE IS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE the world over. his failures are fucking biblical.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:42 AM

Wher'es the luv 4 Telepathe?? :)

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:49 AM

those two couldnt fuck the country up as much...

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:50 AM

"I'm not sure I can get behind a person who also claims to have Sheryl Crow on their iPod."

Oh and I'm sure that whatever John McCain has on his iPod is pure gold.

Posted by sixtypercentgrey | June 27, 2008 1:26 AM

Has nothing to do with this post but the Hold Steady was one of my very favorite bands.

And then I saw their show tonight in Boston. Motherfuckers filled to the brim with their own hype. Terrible show. Robot rock.

I've never been this disappointed in a band I loved.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:35 AM

I recall john mccain pretending to like nine inch nails way back in 2000 in order to seem more hip. Don't know if he's still trying to pull that off.

I do know he probably doesn't have an ipod considering he doesn't even know how to use a computer.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:42 AM

john mccain called his wife a "cunt" and called the vietnamese "gooks." i'm dead serious when i say he could very easily go psycho during the fall debates and start trying to gauge out obama's eyes with a homemade bamboo shank.

he is a fucking powder keg of weird repressed anger and violence. what with his stupid fucking psycho ear to ear grinning...

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:46 AM

Dude, Sheryl Crow is great. I like Barack's taste.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:48 AM

FUCK Barack Obama. He's against gay marriage because of his "religious beliefs" yet is the product of a mixed marriage, the sort that would have been illegal not too long ago. And people used religion to justify it then too. Fuck this asshole. Oh and thanks for your vote on the telecoms, Barry. He's a hypocrite and a sham. McCain's a million times worse, but Obama fucking sucks.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 2:37 AM

This guy has posted his personal ad to the wealthy dating site called RICHLOVING.COM for several months. I just visited his profile page yesterday. It seems he has logged in recently. OMG, is he looking for a new relationship?

Posted by Sunny | June 27, 2008 4:46 AM

With every passing day, Obama makes me less and less excited. First he speaks out against banning the death penalty for child rape. Now, he sides with the conservative nut jobs on gun control.

So much for the Democrats being any viable opposition party.

Posted by themasses | June 27, 2008 6:53 AM

^^^Who cares...no one can do more damage than the current Bush regime already has. At this point we need to elect the candidate the least like Bush in order to have any hope of restoring the rest of the world's trust and respect in (or at least tolerance for) this country.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 7:32 AM

Posted by Fast Eddie | June 27, 2008 8:02 AM

Good article Fast Eddie. A better contribution to the discussion than this intelligent liberal rhetoric:

"he has ROYALLY fucked this country. A FUCKING RETARDED CHILD could not have done as much harm. HE IS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE the world over. his failures are fucking biblical."

Posted by CN | June 27, 2008 8:13 AM

Since many are attacking Bush, I just wanted to remind everyone: GWB is not running for President.

Speaking of third parties, how did Bob Barr grab the Libertarian party nomination? WTF?

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 8:41 AM

CN,

You are the lone voice in this wilderness. Shouldn't you be posting on a Country Music blog or something?

Compare the American tax system to Europe and you'll be inclined to change your mind. Working mass transit systems, alternative energy sources, a health-care system that doesn't turn people out, budgeting in schools for the arts, etc.----I want them to raise my taxes if it provides for these kinds of things. In most European countries you give the gov't half of your income for taxes---in exchange for that, you get lots of paid holidays, sick and maternity leave, etc.

What the fuck is the John McCain ad doing on BV? This is all getting really, really depressing.


Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 8:57 AM

Given the Supreme Court two major rulings this week, in favor of Exxon & Guns, let's just say the right wing definitely wants to keep liberal intelligent people on music blogs, not participating in the political process. Keep up the good work everyone. More entertainment and shows please? Oh yeah, and what's on Obama's IPOD again?

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:11 AM

this country was built on slave labor and oppression of women, not capitalism. sorry to pull away the cum rag to your ron paul/hannity wet dream but get over it.
In fact, every time capitalism has been allowed to run rampant it's ended in monopoly and war and scandal - don't kid yourself.
why do you think that bush wants to do oil drilling NOW??? with six motnhs left in his term.... so he can set his family and friends up for life knowing who's getting the contracts, etc.
anyone who votes republican in this day and age is either rich, deluded, or an absolute lead skulled moron.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:24 AM

MORE HATE IN '08!!!

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:26 AM

Nauseating, absolutely nauseating.

Posted by telex | June 27, 2008 9:28 AM

CN...an actual voice of reason amidst the comments on a music blog...there is hope yet.

Posted by blah | June 27, 2008 9:30 AM

A voice of reason? The guy is a free market moron. Look at history (or historical reason)---the war boom of the 1920s sent the country into the depression of the 1930s.

We are on our way!!

To even argue about taxes at this point, w/ the monumental problems we are facing, is short sighted.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 9:36 AM

"A voice of reason? The guy is a free market moron. Look at history (or historical reason)---the war boom of the 1920s sent the country into the depression of the 1930s.

We are on our way!!"

Please cite something that says the Great Depression was caused by the "war boom of the 1920s". First of all, World War I ended in 1918. So I'm not sure what the "war boom of the 1920s is". Second of all, the Great Depression ended in 1939 at the start of World War II which actually brought the country out of the depression. I know that you guys love slinging names at people with conservative views, but if you are going to post, please post things that make sense or are logical arguments. It helps to be educated on the topic you are trying to discuss. Instead of slinging insults and making baseless claims, let's have a real discussion for once on this blog.

Posted by CN | June 27, 2008 9:49 AM

I'm not enamored of Obama by any stretch of the imagination. But the fact is that from day one Bush and the republican congress (up until 2006 when they lost power) cut taxes (especially for the already wealthy), reduced or cut government programs that benefited the poor, and removed as much regulation and oversight as possible from corporations and businesses and in short been a free market capitalists wet dream. Everything the conservative free market folks say is good economically was implemented as soon as possible after Bush took office in 2001. And look at the state of the economy now, 7 years later. By every standard and every indicator the economy is horrible. Unemployment is bad, new job creation is bad, the dollar is in the crapper, the stock market is in the crapper and company after company are going down in flames because when left to their own devices they mismanaged themselves into oblivian and debt.

Now compare that to how the economy was in the mid to late 90's after all those horrible liberal economic policies and liberal social programs were enacted after Clinton took office. In fact even if you don't want to give Bill Clinton credit then let's give the credit to the policies of George HW Bush who....wait for it.....raised taxes. Remember that's why conservatives hated him?

Posted by Anon | June 27, 2008 10:03 AM

i just pooped.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:15 AM

re: Anon 10:03. I don't think any one politician deserves credit for the 90s economic boom (& bubble?). The internet industry really took off at the same time due to technological advances and innovation from private citizens like you and me. But if anyone really got the ball rolling, it would be the Pentagon, for funding the creation of the web in the 70s.

anyway, the 90s proved to be a serious bubble and a lot of people lost money and jobs because people over-speculated the market.

Posted by Fast Eddie | June 27, 2008 10:19 AM

Man2: Well, I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate.
Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:23 AM

of COURSE WWII ended the depression... which is... TA DA... the GOVERNMENT throwing tons of money around, everywhere, into the private sector to make weapons, vehicles, boots, etc, also WOMEN volunteering their time doing scrap metal collections and USO and whatever... sounds like SOCIALISM, not capitalism.

god, you free market idiots, take the fucking blinders off!!!

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:28 AM

re: What a shock. Obama on the cover of the liberal propaganda machine known as Rolling Stone.

To each their own.

If there were no Liberal minded people, Conservatives would be pig-f*ing one another (man on man, or animal). Take a look at them. They are the grossest most vile swine. Larry Craig, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, and let's not forget Jeff Gannon!
Liberals keep this world worth living. Without, you would just have Brittney Spears, Ted Nugent and Dennis Miller entertaining your soulless asses. What a joke you are.
Did I mention Conservatives are pig-f*cks?

Posted by flip | June 27, 2008 10:29 AM

nothing is funnier than drug addled assholes arguing about politics.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:30 AM

And there's definitely some truth to the part about the internet. I won't argue that. And that's what created a lot of the new "wealth". But that didn't impact things like reducing welfare rolls reducing poverty level and unemployment in general. Not all of that was internet related.

My bottom line point is that if the free market conservative economic model of reducing taxes, removing restrictions from companies and reducing regulation on big business actually worked then we wouldn't be in this shitty economic state we're in now. So you can argue whether the liberal economic policies did or didn't contribute to the economic boom of the 90's, but it's a lot easier to make a case that the conservative free market approach HASN'T worked. So you can say you don't trust Obama's approach, but it would be hard to see how it could make it WORSE than where we are at now.

Posted by Anon | June 27, 2008 10:35 AM

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST CAN'T WE TALK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUE AT HAND LIKE HOW FUCKING SHITTY HIS GODDAMNED IPOD IS?!

Also, word on the skreet is that he was in attendance at a Swell Season show in Chicago. VOMIT.

Posted by misterdisco | June 27, 2008 10:37 AM

"What a shock. Obama on the cover of the liberal propaganda machine known as Rolling Stone."

Never ceases to amaze me how uninformed BV readers really are. RS might have been a progressive, Leftist forum at one point, but for the last thirty years, it has inched to the center (and even to the Right). Now for those of you talking about Obama's economics and "borderline communist agenda," find me an intelligent economist today who supports Bush or McCain. Start digging around . . . we might hear back from you in about thirty years, when you find some redneck, ill-informed free market maniac who might have actually voted for the GOP in 2008.

Now for the rest of us who actually have read the newspapers and understand politics . . . let's hope for a change."

One "intelligent economist" is Thomas Sowell. He is more renowed than any economist you can name that supports Obamas Liberal tax position. People on the Left, although they may think they do, do not hold ownership on truth.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:42 AM

re: Anon 10:35am. Economics is very complicated. there are so many factors at hand at any given time that would alter the reality of any specific economic policy at the time, ie. high energy prices, subrime mortages, terrorist attacks, etc.

anyway. I was going through the thread and started wondering how did we all get to be such a$$holes? the easiest way to criticise someone is to dehumanize them, attack their credibility and character through ad-hominem attacks instead of addressing the intellectual heart of the debate. What ever happened to civil discourse and honest debate? How did everything get so polarized and visceral and spiteful? on both sides...

I think the main problem is that both liberals and conservatives are convinced they know what's best for each other, which is your right. But honestly, this country wasn't founded for that purpose. It was founded so that an individual could live here and have the freedom to be left alone. This is called "negative liberty" in academic circles. let local governments decide how they want to live instead of making everything a live-or-die, national/federal issue.

my basic point is that all you self-righteous a$$holes need to raspec ma negative libertah! (and respect each other while you're at it). Stop telling me what to do and when to do it or I'll seriously shoot your ass with the new handgun the Supreme Court will let me own now.

now can we all get back to trashing Coldplay?

Posted by Fast Eddie | June 27, 2008 10:45 AM

"I'd rather liberal bullshit than mentally handicapped conservative bullshit."

That's because you're a sheep.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:47 AM

JONAS BROTHERS 08

Posted by baby genius | June 27, 2008 10:49 AM

If you think socialism actually works, then you are seriously naive. Here's a good, short explanation:

http://peaceamidchaos.blogspot.com/2007/01/why-socialism-will-never-work-in.html

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 10:50 AM

Stevie Wonder? That's generic. Next he'll be quoting John 3:16.

Posted by sixtypercentgrey | June 27, 2008 11:07 AM

Conservatives are loaded with talented entertainers:
Well, take Bill O'Reilly, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Alice Cooper, Dale Jr, Ben Stein.
'Nuff Said.
Take that you Commies!

Posted by Dick Cheney Roxx | June 27, 2008 11:09 AM

Oh, and if the majority of your political and economical knowledge comes from the myriad of blogs you read on the internet then please do your best not to share it. Thank you.

Posted by sixtypercentgrey | June 27, 2008 11:13 AM

Pfff whatever im voting for Nader. WHAT?!?! hes not running, damn now i have no one to throw my vote away on.

Posted by Paige-CyberPR | June 27, 2008 11:43 AM

Paige-CyberPR, write in Daft Punk!

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:32 PM

Over 100 posts before the first daft punk mention. I never thought I'd see this day!

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 12:53 PM

wheres obama at?

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:00 PM

Milton Friedman had chunks of Lefties like ya'll in his erudite stool.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 1:15 PM

It's so sad to see people, however ignorant, make comments denigrating those who believe strongly in the free market. I can only be led to believe that these people have never experienced significant time in a region that does not operate by the will of the market.
In my personal opinion, and it is just that, the free market represents not only everything great about this country but everything that can be great about civilization.
I've lived to see the day when people are fighting against their own personal freedoms and thus I surely will leave to see the day when it comes full circle.
"I own I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive." ~Thomas Jefferson.

Posted by Bells | June 27, 2008 2:10 PM

Obama is ranked, based on his votes in the Senate, as the most liberal senator in the nation.

A Liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.


Posted by Dudley Dawson | June 27, 2008 2:33 PM

i own slaves. and sometimes i fuck them, too.

--thomas jefferson

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 2:33 PM

Holy Crap! Is this Brooklyn Vegan or the Economist? I have to admire the passion of some people posting, but if you think for a second going some long winded diatribe on an indie music website will somehow sway people from liberal to conservative, or visa versa, then you are sadly mistaken.

First, it is PAINFULLY obvious that some PR person put together Obama's Ipod list. A somewhat frightening thought that a symbol of “hope and change” resorted to slimy political strategizing when discussing music.

Second, who give a shit what a presidential candidate is listening to! Honestly, I want a candidate so completely consumed with diverting this country from its bullet train to utter destruction that they don’t have time to listen to music.

Cool = too much free time.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 3:07 PM

I had an interesting epiphany. Obama is the Coldplay of politics. Now....debate amongst yourselves the meaning....

Posted by Fast Eddie | June 27, 2008 3:29 PM

No no no. Nice try, but, he's the Tribe Called Quest of politics. There's been a general consensus on that. Seriously, think about it.

Clearly, the Coldplay of politics is John Edwards.

Billary is the Cheryl Crow of politics.

John "Yes, I called my wife a cunt once" McCain is the Paul Williams of politics.

Bush is the William Hung of politics.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=william%20hung&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 4:10 PM

Tribe Called Quest = Obama? hmmm. not sure. Obama is just as calculating as Edwards of his public persona and his ipod playlist. you need to find something similar to Coldplay in that everything they do is carefully scripted, including their tattered clothes. I don't know, the Obama = Kayne?

Posted by Fast Eddie | June 27, 2008 4:56 PM

AMEN 10:10

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 6:59 PM

Barack Obama - Mr. November

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0nvO6ff6Sc

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2008 7:06 PM

Obama's message may be hope, McCain's is something a bit different...

http://www.angrymccainsticker.com

Posted by crispin glover | June 27, 2008 7:50 PM

the music he likes is not bullshit posturing. if you read the entire article, he talks way too fucking much, and in gushing detail about stevie fucking wonder, and how fucking groovy he is. i don't think some dumbfuck campaign manager would advise him to do that.

Posted by Anonymous | July 3, 2008 4:36 AM

Why is this person hating on Sheryl Crow?? She is one of the best songwriters to come out in the past 30 years. Each of her songs has meaning and depth if you listen to the lyrics real closely. Maybe this guy is too vapid to understand

Posted by jj | November 13, 2010 11:11 AM

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