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Peelander-Z @ Knitting Factory, NYC - July 6, 2008 (Arambulo)
PEelander Z

This week the New York club, the headquarters of a company that also includes a club in Los Angeles, won community board approval to begin moving into 361 Metropolitan Avenue in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, the former site of the Luna Lounge. In TriBeCa the Knitting Factory has three performances spaces, the largest holding 400 people, but in Brooklyn it will have only one room, for 300 or fewer. Two weeks ago "Knitting Factory Concert House" signs went up outside larger halls in Boise (capacity 1,000) and Spokane (1,500) that the company recently acquired.

"We don't have to be the biggest kids in New York City to be the Knitting Factory," Mr. Hoffman, 45, said in the Leonard Street front room one recent afternoon as a parade of tattooed young men lugged in the night's cargo of amplifiers. "What we do have to have is a pipeline that brings us the most exciting new music from the cities where the newest, most exciting new music is being created." [NY Times]

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Comments (61)

There goes the neighborhood.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:37 PM

which neighborhood?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:44 PM

That sucks.

Williamsburg is a bitch to go to if you don't live there. I rarely go to a show at the new old Luna Lounge/Northsix/MHoW.

So many great shows at the KF. Let's hope they will have two locations.

Very sad day.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 7:44 PM

Personally I'm psyched about this. There was never anything interesting to do in Tribeca post-shows anyway, at least in Williamsburg there's tons of stuff to do.

Posted by Lars | July 10, 2008 8:06 PM

i agree. It's sad to hear knitting factory will be opening in a shitty obnoxious neighborhood. I hope there will be no good shows there so i don't have to go to williamsburg. There have been so many good shows at the knitting factory in tribeca over the years.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 8:07 PM

>>Williamsburg is a bitch to go to if you don't live there.>>

really ?
, I could think of much less accessible places..

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:19 PM

yeah, Greenpoint.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:40 PM

"at least in Williamsburg there's tons of stuff to do."

Yeah, but they will be full of people that live in Williamsburg.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 9:41 PM

Williamsburg can be tough to reach if you're in south Brooklyn and don't have a car. I agree though, there was nothing to do in Tribeca after a show. no where to grab a drink unless you walked to the godforsaken les. not like parts of w'burg are far behind though.

Posted by Diddy | July 10, 2008 9:42 PM

"a pipeline that brings us the most exciting new music from the cities where the newest, most exciting new music is being created." -- you mean kiddie pop-punk bands and ska bands? i.e. their bread and butter since yalan left?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:03 PM

is Santo's PArty House strictly 21+ even for shows?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 10:09 PM

after knitting, id usually get a burger and a scotch at walkers...or get a slice of pie and hang with my friend who bartended at bubbys...or id go to brandy library...or sometimes the nancy whiskey bar...or another room for a beer...or id go to pakistani tea house and get some good food...or maybe a bowl of pasta at bread on church...

yeah, there's nothing to do over there.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 11:02 PM

knitting factory sucks anyway. they busted up a sweet ninjasonik show and wouldnt give refunds.

Posted by ctown | July 10, 2008 11:05 PM

Manhattan, once a rich cultural ground, has become a barren land in regards to (in particular) the music scene. With rents becomming obnoxious, combining with residents that live in the those areas who complain about noise and loiterers, these make live event venues really difficult to operate there. Independendent venues such as Knitting end up getting the short end. They are moving to a community that is still rich with musicians and artists, for now (the condo boom is coming). This is Knit's chance to take a step back from the likes of Hamerstein Ballroom and Terminal 5.

Posted by vice mice | July 10, 2008 11:11 PM

> yeah, there's nothing to do over there.

Exactly, nothing. No great bars in the neighborhood like Souths, The Ear, Tribeca Tavern.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 11:14 PM

yeah Pakistani Tea House, prime post-KF show eats. also great burgers and cheap-ass drinks at Reade St. Pub. And The Patriot. But besides that and 20 or so other nice places there's nothing in Tribeca.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 11:49 PM

"They are moving to a community that is still rich with musicians and artists"

What are you talking about? Williamsburg hasn't been "rich with artists" since 1998. (Bored rich kids who took an art class their sophomore year of college don't count.)

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2008 11:52 PM

"What are you talking about? Williamsburg hasn't been "rich with artists" since 1998. (Bored rich kids who took an art class their sophomore year of college don't count.)"


Tell us more about 1998. What's your take? Who were these artists? Are you, perchance, one of them?

Posted by PP | July 11, 2008 12:06 AM

Oh, also, how many art classes do you have to take to count?

Posted by PP | July 11, 2008 12:10 AM

PP ftw

Posted by QQ | July 11, 2008 12:17 AM

Compared to other communities outside of brooklyn, Williamsburg still contains a large group of artist/musicians. Granted, they are not all "starving artists". And yes, they are being displaced slowly by a richer, younger crowd, most of which who are not artists.

It's no Tribeca... yet

Posted by vice mice | July 11, 2008 12:30 AM

Artists? Please. Ain't no artists in this town no more. And if there are, they for sure ain't hanging out in Williamsburg. That place is as over as the Knitting Factory.

Posted by greg | July 11, 2008 12:39 AM

What's not over? I mean, what's happening? Where is it happening? What kind of artists are we speaking of? By this town, do you mean Manhattan or your place? I have so many questions.

Posted by PP | July 11, 2008 12:43 AM

KF = the new Soundfix

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 12:45 AM

I'm old enough to have played and seen tons of great shows on Houston street. But not old enough to have forgotten.

Tribeca? Suck-hole with shite sound, worse sight lines (columns, anyone?), and that swank dreads and patchouli vibe. Figures it was the only joint to put up a Teenage Jesus show.

Whatever. The Instinct schmuck (who'd destroy CDs before handing back free to the artists, who were already ripped off once by Shimmy and other labels) doesn't even get he should invest in the burgeoning Slope gray beard pony tails who fill Barbes.

Posted by Noisejoke | July 11, 2008 1:02 AM

agreed - the Tribeca KF had horrible sound and even more horrible sight lines. and no atmosphere to speak of (something about that room sucked away every ounce of happiness). that room put a damper on pretty much every show i've seen there -- even the might jonathan richman could not escape the wrath of that miserable place. only show i've seen there in the past few years that was not ruined by the miserable venue was meat puppets.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:29 AM

I did see an awesome Melvins show there a couple years ago. But, when do they suck? Oh and now that I'm thinking, there was that great US Maple gig. But both bands make crowds weird and attract weird crowds. The gen'l Tribeca KF crowd was all too predictable.

Here's another one - Kaki King in the Tap Room playing to me and a couple friends. She blew us away, we bought a CD. Who knew?

What was that Meat Puppets show like? I was too afraid to spoil my memories from '83 - '86. But, now I'm bragging.

Posted by Noisejoke | July 11, 2008 1:51 AM

That space seems kinda cursed though.

Are there any 90's era venues still left besides Mercury Lounge?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 4:11 AM

Don't really understand the negative comments as I have seen at least a dozen shows at the KF over the years and I really liked the venue. I thought it was a good venue with good sound, good selection of beers, and some decent folks who lived there. I have to admit that Tribeca was not one of my favorite places to hang out but I also felt that way when I went to Wetlands which was also a nice venue.

I saw Steve Wynn at the Luna Lounge a couple of months ago before it was shut down and really liked the venue. Great sightlines and easy to get there by subway from Queens. So why are people complaining?

Posted by Adam | July 11, 2008 5:18 AM

good move, KF.

Posted by un:art:ig | July 11, 2008 8:16 AM

Can I be a cool guy and name all the things I used to do and the cool places I used to go after Knitting Factory shows, then throw it everyone's face as a shining testament to my coolness?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 8:23 AM

I think this is sad fucking news unless there will also be a move to 14th street. In the past year I probably saw as many good shows there as in all the other venues combined. I dont think it will translate well into the new smaller location. transportation you cant complain about both close to G and L line.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 8:28 AM

after KF shows it was usually 2 am and Id just walk up to canal and grab the e train home. not too cool, I know

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 8:30 AM

theres alot of warehouses in north crown heights.

move there.

Posted by nick | July 11, 2008 8:44 AM

people will complain about the sound in almost any venue (i thought the KF was pretty good in this respect), but I don't understand slagging it for the shows it booked. in the past year alone it has had Damo Suzuko (an amazing show), NNCK, Diamanda Galas, the No Fun Festival, Text of Light, Alan & Richard Bishop, Silver Apples, etc. If the complaint is that it is not as cutting edge as it was back in the Zorn days, then i assume you're also trashing everything else other than the Stone, Issue Project Room and Todd P venues... and come to think, the first two of those (both of which I love) mainly show somewhat established musicians anyway.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 9:04 AM

pissed jeans played kf recently, were finished by 10pm on a friday.
bunch of weird, shirtless dancing 14-yr old mullet punks from pennsylvania, like 20 of them with adult chaperones seemed to be with the band. field trip??

some good memories, but none very recent in that space. hopefully the new location will breathe some life into the shows, and get some decent acts on the stage.

kadane brothers with bottomless pit tonight in tribeca.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 9:15 AM

In the last few years I've seen some massively awesome KF shows. Love is All destroyed the place, and I caught an amazing Akron Family set.

That said I always dreaded the prospect of going there. Waste land. Are they ever going to finish fixing Leonard Street?

Only bad thing about the place moving in my opinion will be increased traffic at Spuyten Duyvil.

Hard enough to find a seat outside on the weekends at that place.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 9:25 AM

Two weeks ago "Knitting Factory Concert House" signs went up outside larger halls in Boise (capacity 1,000) and Spokane (1,500) that the company recently acquired

"What we do have to have is a pipeline that brings us the most exciting new music from the cities where the newest, most exciting new music is being created." [NY Times]


Wait is he saying that the newest and most exciting new music is coming from Boise and Spokane?? Love the Knit tho, sadly from south brooklyn you kinda cant get there from here. In other venue news Le Poisson Rouge sucks, more typical bleeker street shit overpriced drinks B&T and NYU...sad as wordless music series has been consistently interesting(probably bands from Boise)

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 9:31 AM

Get over your hatred of Williamsburg. It's a neighborhood, and yes many talented artists and musicians live there. If you're gonna spend your time constantly complaining that everywhere's dead since such-and-such year, well then you're just gonna be an obnoxious person who never enjoys themselves anywhere and just tries to bring other people down who are enjoying the community they live in and what it's producing.


Side note: If you actually spent any time there you'd realize that the hipsters you're intimidated by are some of the nicest people on earth, much nicer than the assholes who comment on the BV board.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 9:40 AM

"Williamsburg can be tough to reach if you're in south Brooklyn and don't have a car."

Get your ass on a bike

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 9:47 AM

9:31AM... ummm, that was new music from NY to the hinterlands, no ?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 9:55 AM

"Get over your hatred of Williamsburg. It's a neighborhood, and yes many talented artists and musicians live there. If you're gonna spend your time constantly complaining that everywhere's dead since such-and-such year, well then you're just gonna be an obnoxious person who never enjoys themselves anywhere and just tries to bring other people down who are enjoying the community they live in and what it's producing.


Side note: If you actually spent any time there you'd realize that the hipsters you're intimidated by are some of the nicest people on earth, much nicer than the assholes who comment on the BV board."


I just wanted to see that again. Nice!

Posted by PP | July 11, 2008 10:50 AM

OMG 2 YOUTHS WERE SHOT IN WILLIAMSBURG THIS MORNING!!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 10:53 AM

@955

sounds like the it the pipeline runs from boise and spokane to williamsburg.....actually that sounds about right. someone please plug up that pipeline and the one from missourohiokansas as well

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 11:37 AM

Silver Apples with Effi Briest and the Tall Firs was one of the best shows I've been to in years. Don't forget Joan of Arc, Ponytail, Don Cab coming up? KF books good shows and will continue to do so in Williamsburg.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 12:24 PM

Does anyone remember Thunderbirds Are Now! in the Old Office? That show was amazing! I also remember seeing Books On Tape down there. The tragedy of the move will be losing this and the tap bar, as well as the jobs of the people who staff those rooms.

Multi-room venues allow for weird shit to go down in smaller spaces while the big moneymaking rooms rake in the dough (the loss of the Northsix basement is another great tragedy). This kind of shit just sucks.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 12:25 PM

I know, I'm almost in tears that this is gonna close.

You know why I liked the place, now that you think of it, no power tripping security people like you have at Bowery run venues.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 12:36 PM

why is there so much hostility in all these postings? is it really such a big deal that KF is moving a few miles away?

let's stop that neighborhood bashing and people-hating.

as long as there are venues around and open-minded people in this city, the music scene will be just fine. the real fucking problem in this city is a lack of urban planning, and the eviction of the working class.

get upset about that shit, not the change of locations of a pretty decent club.

Posted by Evan | July 11, 2008 1:32 PM

I heard Kenny's Castaways is taking over American Apparel space... will be nice to have some good cover bands in Williamsburg.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2008 1:36 PM

"What we do have to have is a pipeline that brings us the most exciting new music from the cities where the newest, most exciting new music is being created." i think that clearly means spokane/boise-->new york. did john zorn take a shit in boise recently or something? the complete cluelessness that has dominated the knitting factory's programming for the past 3-4 years is blazingly on display here. new york has the best music scene right now in years: dirty projectors, yeasayer, national, battles, etc. and the knitting factory has had absolutely *nothing* to do with it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2008 4:06 AM

4:06 -- you're too myopic. The music scene here is not at all encapsulated by the bands you mention. You're just crowing about one piece of the overall pie, and that's fine. You can have your favorite slice. Just realize there's tons more that's vibrant about the NYC scene than what you mention.

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2008 9:39 AM

this is "4:06" again. every time i would look at the kf calendar, the main events would be armor for sleep, the toasters, saves the day, midtown, etc. and that's because bowery presents was consistently getting all the relevant bands. in order to pay the rent, kf had to take advantage of its unique all ages status and appeal to teenyboppers -- to devastating effect in terms of the quality of its programming.

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2008 2:11 PM

this is like that time when the Super Bowl of Ohio got moved from Akron to Cleveland Heights

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2008 11:32 PM

In terms of space, the only Bowery venue that is comparable to the Knitting Factory is the Mercury Lounge. "Relevant" bands play the bigger spaces. Will Bowery Presents ever put on something as eclectic and weird like No Fun Fest. Highly unlikely. They go after the $$$.

Marc Ribot is playing the Knitting Factory. 'Nuf said.

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2008 11:59 PM

The Knitting Factory here in LA suxxxorz. It's a pain in the ass to get to and very rarely has any bands worth seeing (unless you know someone in the band, which is the case 98% of the time that I go. I'm not saying I know a lot of kids in bands, I'm saying that I pretty much never go if not to support a friend. It's all lame unsigned teenage bands).

Posted by Spencer | July 12, 2008 11:59 PM

I <3 the Knitting Factory where it is now for its multiple rooms and great vibe. Wburg is great but already has lots of venues... and it's going to suck trying to get tix for shows before they sell out, since only a mere 300 ppl will be able to squeeze in. They should just change the name really.

Posted by Anonymous | August 1, 2008 2:38 PM

Heroine Sheiks kicked ass at KF. Melvins kicked ass at KF. Even Teenage Jesus.

14th street was smaller but it was king.

The king is dead. Long live the king.

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2008 6:51 AM

Top 10 all time NYC live music venues (irrespective of current operating status)

1) Danceteria circa 1984
2) Original Luna on Ludlow
3) Public Assembly (Former Galapagos)
4) Santos
5) Sin-e
6) Knitting Factory
7) Bowery Ballroom
8) Crash Mansion
9) Don Hills
10) Continental

Posted by Anonymous | January 3, 2009 12:02 AM

ha... don hills and continental were probably two of the worst all-time new york rock clubs. dumb bands, dumb environment, dumber patrons.

i still miss the old sweaters on the ceiling at the original houston street knit. rip. but yeah... tribeca was sort of cool in, like, 1986. always seemed weird that the KF was there...

Posted by elephant's memory | January 14, 2009 10:24 PM

I saw a load of good shows there, just not in a while. Once John Zorn and Marc Ribot stopped playing there, the scence changed alot. All the great known & unknown downtown jazz and experimental musicians stopped playing there. The best part about the place was when the tap bar had free music. Every night there would be a great band or musician playing there at around 11pm. Then they stopped the free music. Last time I was there was a year ago for a rare Marc Ribot's Ceramic Dog show. Place changed alot, different music and that is fine by me, it's just not the music I go to see. Oh and by the way the sound was fine there, but the sitelines did suck. All in all I had great times seeing great music there for 14 years. Sorry to see ya go.

Posted by Mike | February 27, 2009 3:20 PM

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