I'm a HUGE Breeders fan.... but I think Matt & Kim were the highlight for me yesterday. All in all it was a really fun day at McCarren Park!!!

so glad i was still in line during that set. it sounded so wince-worthy.

10:11 am, glad you weren't there. Next time just don't leave the couch.

Also you can tell how wince-worthy it was from the good times in the photos above right?

People really like these guys that much? "Wince-worthy" is right!

11:16 take the stick out of your ass.

^^^future man....

did anybody else think the whip stole the show? everybody was great - but wow @ the whip.

This looked so cute/fun I want to puke

hey guys i hate everything too yay internetZ!

matt & kim were fun live but there is no way i could ever just listen to it on its own.

I've never been a big M&K fan, but man, that looks like a fun time. Maybe I'll have to give them another shot...

It was sorta funny watching the young hipsters in the crowd trying to figure out if it's still cool to like the Breeders.

They know they are supposed to like Matt & Kim, but the Breeders are so OLD!

getting Rude Mechanical Orchestra to play with them was a masterstroke.

Oh they're so fun and wacky! What will they do next? Suck each other's dicks on stage? This band is garbage, a band isn't good just because their live show is all smiles and fun-filled.

has kim ever closed her mouth? or is it always agape?

no value judgement, just a question...

saw Matt and Kim twice yesterday...if you cant have a good time when you see them then you are obviously just a miserable fuck.

The Whip were so good omg. only a few people were dancing but whatever! it was really good dance music and the songs were so catchy. Matt & Kim were !ohmygod adorable! but also a little painful,this is from someone who liked their album a lot. but they were exactly what i expected too.

oh giggle, giggle. All the hipsters having fun and smiling. I'm happy now. Yaaaay!

awesome day in the sun yesterday. all the bands sounded great. the whip got the crowd going despite being the first act and matt & kim played an awesome set. Matt is completely over exuberant and his humor is hit and miss, but it fit the general atmosphere. they have lots of positive energy (a term/concept i am sure will make many BV posters cringe..) and clearly were loving playing the pool in the their neighborhood.

now, the breeders were good though some songs sounded much better than others. CAN WE PLEASE DISUCSS HOW KELLEY DEAL LOOKED AND ACTED COMPLETELY STONED?

did she flake out on the end of "happiness is a warm gum cover"?

this hipster dance pop thing is really lame. both the whip and matt and kim served to cement my view that williamsburg hipsterism is in fact the epitome of douchebaggery. the breeders were great, but it was hard to make it through those openers. it was a laugh to watch all the sweaty morons dressed like fools walking away from the stage before the breeders set.

I for one tend to dislike "instant hype band" trendiness but Matt & Kim are earning the success they're receiving the old fashioned way...by constantly playing on the road and turning on people face-to-face. Like it or hate it...Kim's a star. She's basically Karen O on drums and she exhudes confidence and good 'ole fashioned fun. If you didn't get a kick out of that Beyonce dance routine she was in at the Pool, you've all but forgotten what a good time at a live show is supposed to be about.

@ 10:36 - seriously. they are a great time and always fun to see! good music to work out to, also! i don't see how anyone can NOT like them.

@ 10:41 - eat a bag of dicks. it's called having fun. instead of chastising those who know how to have it, maybe you should take some notes, you fucking asstard.

i was having fun at f yeah fest crowd surfing for mat & kim until my phone was stolen and i was dropped on my head....they are a great time though very unexpected

i had fun yesterday but Matt seemed like even a bigger eunuch-y douchebag on stage with all the giggling and "OMG!!" i think he almost busted a nut when those 2 little girls came on stage and were introduced.

and yes i am a fan and i've seen them enough times.

how come the first half of teh breeders set was SO muddy? the other two bands sounded fine. kinda pissed me off

popcorn anyone?

Matt & Kim were the highlight of the day for me. They were just so happy to be playing, and they projected their joy into the crowd, and the crowd ate it up.
I went into the show not really liking their music, but their set was just so much fun.
My photos from the whole day here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/subcow/sets/72157606158818770/

I was there for the whole concert. Although no one was really paying attention to the Whip they were fantastic, prob the best band the show had to offer. Matt & Kim were good too, but the enthusiasm was indeed nauseating, and to see people crowd surfing to a guy on a Casio was confusing. The Breeders were pretty bland compared to the giddy indie fervor M&K brought, and they proved that these pool parties are about what the crowd knows, not what they have to know.

true story- I got there early and planted the rail. next to me were these two late 20s-early thirtish latino dudes and they were having a relatively good time through the first two bands.

After the Breeders came on they were like "uhh, what is this??". then they asked the one security guard who was patrolling the photog pit if there were any more bands coming after and the guy said no this is the last band, and the two dudes left. Just saying- they were on the rail the whole day and left about 5 or 6 songs into the set.

i agree, breeders were mucho muddy, still good tho. love them Deal grrl harmonies.
i think outdoor sound at mccarren and seaport can suck depending on where you're standing...luckily it was free and the music wasn't the only thing going on. hell yeah for some dodgeball.

even though the first two bands weren't my thing (glorified party bands) and matt's OMG!!! demeanor really WAS super cringe-worthy, the overall scene that day was quite fun.

@ 11:00 - Amen to that last sentence.

that chick's legs are pretty hairy.

Anyone who would stay there in that heat all day for the first two bands and leave for the Breeders was a moron.

The Breeders and Matt & Kim were both great!

If you want to be a snob about it, yeah, Matt & Kim are kind of annoying. But their energy is so infectious, and the songs are pretty catchy live. It's perfect summer afternoon party music.

The Whip were really catchy too. It was just the wrong setting for them. The only time they should play outside is at night. They are a band that needs a great light show. Otherwise, in the sunlight, with the crowd just standing there, it's not so impressive. Kind of like Daft Punk with no suits with Trent Reznor singing in the middle of the day in a park.

Matt and Kim don't do it for me.

anyone that hates matt & kim has a general distaste for life. i mean seriously. go rain on someone else's parade.

withouth the orchestra it would have been nothing special, because we've all seen Matt + Kim many times before, right? but that was something special.

great vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trwx1EWxo08

Most fun Tito's ever had a pool party.

More rock, less vaudeville.

Give me a break with all the "if you don't like Matt & Kim, you're just a stick in the mud grumpy no-fun soulless bore!" They are just not that great of a band if you aren't into their grinning and posing, and if you're annoyed by all their minions who shove it in your face about how much fun they are and how they just love performing and exude that positive energy when you express dislike. Overhyped Pratt bullshit.

Matt & Kim would never get in to Santo Party House thats for fucking sure!!

The Whip definitely stole the show. To be honest Matt and Kim were kind of a dissapointment, Yea Yeah did not sound good with the band. The Breeders were eh..actually left early on that one :x Fun day at McCarren though!

i left before the breeders because i don't care about the breeders. stop being such assholes. would you have rather all the non-breaders fans just stay there and fill up the venue so all the people waiting in line just to see the breeders got stuck outside? no you wouldn't, so shut up.

Glad yawl had a good time ...for once ;)

what can i say... if you like matt & kim but you don't like the breeders, then you're a musical idiot. protest all you want, that's just the way it is.

For serious, why does someone who hates on Matt&Kim have a distate for life? The same thing could be said for dozens of other bands that portray a similar energy/attitude (i.e. Flaming Lips, Ghostland Observatory, etc). I think all people are trying to say is that Matt&Kim don't do it for them musically. Is that really that hard to understand? Upon hearing them, I would think that would be fairly apparent. Yeah, if you want to jump around a sweaty mess of people and crowd surf then they're great. But a lot of people don't like that (especially a lot of people who are pumped to see Breeders).

Which one is matt and which one is kim?

The Whip and Matt and Kim changed my life yesterday!

I didn't stay for the Breeders but I'm sure they changed someone's life too.

is it just me or is matt really annoying?

hey guys, that big bold guy in sunglasses in front, didnt I see him put some kid in a head lock and cause all sorts of commotion toward the end of the set. I think he was a breeders fan who was planting that front and center spot and didnt appreciate the crowd surfing?

If Im mistaken my apologies, mr bold guy...

"would you have rather all the non-breaders fans just stay there and fill up the venue so all the people waiting in line just to see the breeders got stuck outside?"

You're assuming they were adopting a one-in one-out policy. For some baffling reason they weren't. Anyone know why?

The big bald guy was there for the Breeders, but if I saw the scene correctly, a bunch of guys were jumping all over and crushing him up front against the security fence. Then one of the kids started sorta choking the bald guy from behind.

I was too busy trying to take photos, so I could be wrong.

it is one thing for folks to not like a band, but the people who dislike Matt an Kim here hate on them with a fervor that is itself ridiculous.

The band wrote a slew of catchy songs and have a basic sound that is unique. They also play the hell out it on stage with real punk energy. While they decidedly aren't tech metal or chamber pop or some other similarly technical pretentious pap, their playing ability is not really what is getting impuned here.

People dislike them because they're really sunny and upbeat and happy (and not to mention, un-macho). I'm sorry, but disliking something specifically because it is sunny and positive and a little fey - you're either a grinch with a chip on his shoulder a mile wide or else you're a raging homophobe who's terrified of anything even a little limpwristed if it seriously bothers you as much as the comments here let on.

Matt was by far the most annoying person I can remember hearing talk (and sing) in recent memory. Good god.

i love how people think if you think matt and kim suck then you can't have fun and are a cold hardened human.

the problem is they sing incredibly stupid songs out of tune with absolutely no depth.

it's fun if you are 12 or have a learning disability

"i left before the breeders because i don't care about the breeders. stop being such assholes. would you have rather all the non-breaders fans just stay there and fill up the venue so all the people waiting in line just to see the breeders got stuck outside? no you wouldn't, so shut up."

Apparently the Breeders fans got stuck outside anyway, as the pool party police were not letting in people on line as people were leaving the venue. So the real assholes were the Pool security guards/fire marshal/cops/organizers/Jelly NYC.

1145:

It's not just you... Matt is REALLY annoying. His shtick made me dislike the act instantly.

Poser hipster bullshit fake enthusiasm.

Matt and Kim are a Williamsburg Whites Stripes wanna-be act with no talent. They are all about the silliness.

let me repeat: if you like matt & kim but don't like the breeders than you're a musical idiot.

yes ... kind of simple stuff. True though being happy is a pretty simple afair. I'm glad you kiddies are finally getting the hang of it.

Now try being happy with some more complex musical concepts and you'll be on to something. Just kidding. Enjoy your tunes (seriously).

But if you get out of line and shit on my happiness...me and big bald guy will head lock you.

Lets see, Breeders headlining the pool 15 years after their platinum selling album. Where do you think Matt and Kim will be in 15 years? What was Matt and Kim's big song? Wasn't there an opening band to the Breeders when they used to have concerts in the pool way back in the 2000's that had a marching band?

crowd surfing is so gay.

That video of M&K playing "Yea Yeah" is fantastic!

It's so great that people with developmental disabilities don't have to pack toothbrushes in factories anymore.

They can just move to Brooklyn and become "Rock" Stars!

since when are Kim Deal and the Breeders some legendary mega talented important band?

they are and have always been Kim from the Pixies' side project. I've always enjoyed them as a POP BAND but they're hardly out there changing music. I saw them in 1991 and this was true even then (the opener Unrest blew them off the stage, in fact). They have a small handful of memorable songs (happiness is a warm gun cover, safari, cannonball, etc), a lot of ok filler, and a fair number of clunkers.

How is this so different from Matt and Kim or any young high energy pop band, aside from the fact that M&K smile a lot and say nerdy fey things between the songs?

Maybe you shouldn't be so bothered?

Bizarre defense of Matt & Kim on this thread. I might be a homophobe for not liking their music? Some people don't like the music you like, that's all.

Who know who I fucking hate? Nirvana! Nirvana fucking suck. And I saw Kurt Cobain at the pool yesterday, enjoying the Breeders and Matt & Kim while eating out the asshole of the bold man. WTF?

The first second of Matt & Kim's exaggerated enthusiasm and whiny kid vocals sent me and my friends scrambling for the exit. And why were those little kids onstage with them?? Not even The Breeders are worth the wait for that kind of torture.
Someone please revoke M&K's happy music license.

I remember being at U2 concert in the early 90s and seeing the Pixies open for them. Many people in the crowd booed them and called them "fags." People said snide things about their ability to play and about how simple the songs sounded. Same story when I saw Dinosaur Jr open for Neil Young.

This hating on young opening bands whose songs you don't know yet thing is an old old sad story.

Matt + Kim = Lame!

I would agree with the assertion that the kind of hate you see expressed here about Matt and Kim is way more annoying and unusual and overblown than anything the band could possibly do.

Yeah, it borders on some irrational, fear provoked fervor. Don't worry, Matt and Kim aren't gonna getcha and turn ya all happy and gay, guys! It's ok if you bop your head along, it doesn't mean anything about your manhood!

How are the Breeders different from Matt and Kim?

To compare Matt and Kim to the Breeders or even the Pixies because they were all opening bands is ludicrous.

It's not about whether you like the band or not or if people show no respect for the opening band, it's about if the opening band is even a band at all.

All the other bands mentioned as opening acts were/are actual real bands, like em or not. Matt and Kim are a hipster joke that don't seem to have much legs beyond the hipster community.

Yeah, come on, they were a lot of fun.

no! no! no! no! no! no! no! no! no!

12:38 way to use a lot of words to say that YOU don't like this band. care to say something with some content?

12:38:

last time I checked, Matt and Kim have drums, keyboards, vocals, a pile of catchy songs, verses, choruses, bridges, dynamics, all the things that make them a REAL BAND as much as any punk band.

It's ok that they happen to be a real band that you don't like, but try saying something meaty about whatever it really is you don't like about them (or else just take a deep breath, push the keyboard aside, and calm down on the hate.)

Ok here's some content:

Matt and Kim= stupid cutsey name, making sure that they stay in cute status for the rest of their career and aren't taken seriously.

Matt and Kim= no memorable songs, no unique sound or voice.

Matt and Kim= All in the stage presence, energy and enthusiasm. That's the only strength for the act. Hipsters an come out and revel that there are other hipsters like them on the stage. Hipster Identification is the the thing here.

Matt and Kim= Best opening slot= Opening for The Breeders at Mccarren Pool

The Breeders= Great name. Catchy. ironic. Interesting.

The Breeders= several memorable catchy tunes, specific sound, Deal sisters unique vocals.

The Breeders= sound great on record, CD, radio and live.

The Breeders= Best opening slot= Opening for NIRVANA on most, if not all dates of their 1993 USA tour, only a few years after the Breeders even formed.

Summary: Breeders real band, real music. Matt and Kim: Williamsburg flavor of the moment.

I don't get the arguing over music here.
I loooooove the Pixies, and I think the Breeders are pretty damn good. Nowhere near as good as the Pixies in my opinion. But I have friends whose musical tastes I respect who think The Breeders are the greatest.
I came into the show barely knowing Matt & Kim. What I heard online i didn't really care for.
once they came on though, they were a just plain fun to watch, and they were excited and energetic.

It was a free concert. If I saw even one good band for free, I would be happy. All three bands on the bill had something different to offer. I just don't get the bitching and moaning, and trashing the bands who played a show for free.

From a photographer's perspective, Matt & Kim was the best band of the day to shoot. It was a blast. The Breeders just stood there and played.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/subcow/sets/72157606159042378/

There is not much point, everyone's opinion is valid (unless you like Creed).

I saw the Breeders open for Nirvana in December 1993. They were flat and looked bored and were pretty much phoning it in. They sucked. Shonen Knife (who was the first opener) was better, and I always hated Shonen Knife.

"last time I checked, Matt and Kim have drums, keyboards, vocals, a pile of catchy songs, verses, choruses, bridges, dynamics, all the things that make them a REAL BAND as much as any punk band."

Then you don't know much about punk bands.
Pretty much every single punk rock band ever in the entire history of punk rock had guitars as their main sound, or at least as a major component of the sound and visuals.

The only 'punk' act that has ever been associated with punk over the years and was keyboard focused with no guitarist was SUICIDE, and they are much closer to dance electronica than punk anyway. They are only mentioned along with punk groups because of the time and place they came out of and the attitude they had/have.

Matt and Kim a real band as much as any punk band? Funniest and most absurd thing I've heard on this board.

Matt and Kim equal the new Clash!

I have THEE biggest crush on Kim.

12:59: your argument that Matt and Kim aren't a "punk band" (as if that even has meaning) because they don't have guitars is hilarious.

Hey Kiddo - ever hear of the Screamers?

of course 12:59 ain't ever heard of the Screamers. he's 16 years old and only just deleted Good Charlotte off his iPod last semester.

"From a photographer's perspective, Matt & Kim was the best band of the day to shoot. It was a blast. The Breeders just stood there and played"

Oh no kidding! You mean it was more fun to shoot a stage full of dancing cheerleaders, tuba players and cute little girls dancing than middle aged former drug addicts playing good music?

Most great bands just stand there and play. The Beatles just stood there and played.

Bands shouldn't be judged based on if they are fun to shoot photos of because there's lots of colorful supplementary stuff going on on the stage. If that's what you are interested in, then go shoot the circus.

why was Kim drinking a beer onstage? twice! she's like AA isn't she? well, different strokes...

Matt & Kim aren't my cup of tea but I sure had fun while they played. Perfect double bill, perfect day.

Matt and Kim are too happy to be a punk band.

I can't think of any act I've seen in years that has less in common with the attitudes and or sounds or visuals of punk rock as this thing you call Matt and Kim. They are as far from being 'punk' as anyone can be.

And I don't think there is any indication that they are trying to be, so making a comparison between punk and Matt and Kim is absurd.

I would argue that a large part of a live show is what you're seeing. You don't go to concerts with your eyes closed. So I'll stick up with the photographer here...because I sure was enthralled when all that stuff was going on onstage...and I'm no huge Matt and Kim fan. That was the first time I'd heard or seen them.

maybe it was root beer.

Matt & Kim were fun. "Crazy In Love" marching-band thing actually rocked. what would Matt & Kim fans recommend as a starting point for checking out their music?

the Beatles did not just stand there and play. they had serious energy and got into it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl8kOnOANg8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-9r3C6V23E

1"03:

Yes, yes the Screamers.... That's why I said "PRETTY MUCH every single punk rock band ever in the entire history of punk rock had guitars as their main sound"... 'Pretty much'. That means 'not all'. Of course there's one or two. You named the Screamers. Good for you. Now name another, and a third. Of course there's a few. That's why I named Suicide as an example. Yes, you can probably come up with a few, so can I. But you'd have them listed on one hand. And they'd be pretty esoteric. If your starting out with the Screamers as your main illustrative point, then you are probably going to get a lot more obscure as you try to come up with other examples. What most hipsters and Matt and Kim fans think of as Punk Rock neatly fits in the Ramones/Sex Pistols/Black Flag/Dead Kennedy's/Clash/Misfits/Germs etc sound....
All of which has a similar guitar sound to it.

I'm not 16, and I've heard of the Screamers. My point though is that the person I was replying to who compared Matt and Kim to 'any punk band' most probably HASN'T heard of the Screamers.

1:19. actually you spent about 300 words saying Matt and Kim aren't punk because they have no guitars - AND YOU GOT SCHOOLED.

now shut the fuck up and let the grown ups talk. your argument was silly and your attempt to save face afterwards is even sillier.

ok let me just settle this once and for all,

Matt and Kim: great show because they threw us a curve we werent expecting (the band, the kids, the crowd surfing). they are annoying, but thats their program. I told them to smile less many times but they just wont listen.

The Breeders - why is it even called the Breeders? any original band members other than two sisters? who was that girl from Florida I felt sad for her they didnt even put her name on their myspace.

this is a real band?? two primadonnas, two sidesmen, and one sidewoman getting dissed with on and off the stage biz?

Where was the killer baselines that was their signature sound. no surprises and no intensity, with every song it was like a balloon was getting deflated.

Yes the Beatles had serious energy, but they essentially just stood in their places during their set. They didn''t jump around and run around the stage and jump into the crowd and didn't hire marching bands and dancers and little girls to entertain the crowd while they stood on their marks....

hey KURT C, your blog f*ckin' sucks so stop makin' dumb comments and linking to bullsh*t.

we get it you're an amateur photography major

did you watch those youtube videos 1:22. you're wrong, the Beatles totally moved around and riffed off each other like the rhythm and blues band they wanted to be.

"dillinger 4 and circle jerks, my vagina is wet, and matt hasn't done that in a long time." - kim.
if anyone was at the brooklyn show of the fuck yeah tour, what time did circle jerks go on, i left at 12 30

Beatles- the first and the greatest. esp the early years.

1:21:

Ok you replied and yet you couldn't come up with a single additional example to support your argument other than the Screamers. I stand correct.

Your comments are ridiculous and based solely on the fact that you know who the Screamers are. Nonsensical argument.

Go back to school.

Anyone who defends Matt and Kim by way of the Screamers is a real fool.

1:19. the person you were the replying to and the the person who schooled you and the person schooling you now are all the same person.

if you want, I could come up with some other old punk bands for you to look up on Wikipedia. You seemed to really get into the Screamers thing.

"Bands shouldn't be judged based on if they are fun to shoot photos of because there's lots of colorful supplementary stuff going on on the stage. If that's what you are interested in, then go shoot the circus."

haaaaa! Nice one, Anon 1:06!

1:33. this post made no sense at all.

"anyone who defends Matt and Kim by way of the Screamers is a real fool"

you should get that on your headstone, clearly a quotable quote right there.

btw, and this is solely to help embarass the kid who keeps posting and digging himself deeper into a hole about the whole inane "you're not punk if you don't have guitars" thing:

the Units, Tuxedomoon, etc....

nobody needs to keep embarrassing that poor "guitars rule" kid. (but don't forget the Need.)

here's a head twister... in 1:37, please read the 1:33 as 1:32.

gotta love Brooklyn Vegan!

the Need were AWESOME

up up and awaaaaay!

Matt and Kim =The Beatles.

the Beatles = Captain & Tenille

Captain & Kim > Matt & Tennille

Ok, Screamers, Units, Tuxedomoon. That's three. Two of which are so freaking esoteric that you've proved my point entirely. You can't even come up with more than three bands in the whole genre and history of punk, that you revert to writing 'etc' after Tuxedomoon.

And it took you almost 40 minutes to look up the other two by going through the internet to find any punk bands that don't use guitars. And these are the two acts that you came up with. hilarious.

I dont have to look to Wikipedia to know that Tuxedomoon are so freaking esoteric that nobody has ever heard of them.

But since you mentioned it, they aren't even listed on Wikipedia as a punk band, they are described as an experimental POST-punk/New Wave group. If you are going into the experimental, post punk and/or New Wave genre, then the opposite applies, where most of the acts DIDN:T USE GUITARS you fool!

If you are going to use something as an example to SCHOOL someone it's best to read the thing you just looked up first before you list it, it only makes you look like a moron when someone calls you on it or simply reads it.

No...let's keep embarassing "guitar-only punk chump"

Early D.A.F., SPK, early Cabaret Voltaire, Factrix, NON, Minimal Man, Controlled Bleeding...get the point?

"if you want, I could come up with some other old punk bands for you to look up on Wikipedia."

You mean after you yourself found them on Wikipedia?

Matt and Kim = the New Tuxedomoon.

I think Kim drinks non-alcoholic beers.

Minimal Man! right on, 219.

whoa! battle of the punk nerds! throwing down KNOWLEDGE!!!

2:18, you should really stop.

the point you were trying to make was so damn silly in the first place. Now you're really stretching to try to counter the *many* people who have ridiculed you.

I know it hurts when people say pointed things about you, but it's also ok to just admit you said something stupid and ill considered and then stop defending yourself. Just bow out and find some other thread to say stupid shit on. You've lost it on this one.

99.999999% of williamsburg own those huge bug eyed glasses. Its like nobody wants to look you in the eye.

Also, when did hot pants become fashionable for men? It was almost parody. On the other end of the spectrum, Rammstein shirt guy with the semi- clockwork orange-neo nazi-columbine look provided many chuckles.

I also hit up this Italian fest a few blcoks away. Sausage and peppers, baby.

I like how the guitar kid hasn't figured out yet that The Need were a band.

as someone who reads brooklynvegan to watch the scene experts duke it out overt the finer points of music snobbery,

can we please stop with all the anonymous arguers? it makes it hard for my simple mind to keep track of who is winning. pick a name.

after seeing Matt & Kim, i am still trying to scrub the twee off of me.

I'd pay to see the captain and kim

2:19:

You cannot seriously consider Cabaret Voltaire punk can you? If you are going to go there, you can pretty much name any alternative group of musicians who put out a record during the punk era.

That wasn't the point of the original post.

I liked Matt & Kim when they called themselves Mates of State. They were much cuter than too.

"the point you were trying to make was so damn silly in the first place. Now you're really stretching to try to counter the *many* people who have ridiculed you."

Like anyone is fooled into thinking that all the posts listing The Sceamers. Tuxedo Moon, Early D.A.F., SPK, early Cabaret Voltaire, Factrix, NON, Minimal Man, Controlled Bleeding aren't by the same person.

What about the "King Diamond tour 89/90" t-shirt on the stage guy! was that hip or what? also the woman in the straw hat who was setting up all the equipment,

don't forget the Pop Group either.

I made one of those posts and I can tell you I didn't make the other ones

2:34 YOU really should stop. You've lost it on this one. Stop listing every esoteric non commercial obscure band you can think of/look up that doesn't use a main guitar sound that recorded something during the years 1977 onwards that falls into industrial.alternative, neo whatever to support your argument against the fact that most people think of a guitar sound when they hear the word 'punk rock'. The only think you've won in this argument is the right to call yourself the biggest douchbag music nerd on the planet.

I find it so entertaining and ironic that all these serious above groups are being listed in regards to a post about Matt and Kim..

Funny stuff.

I will admit that many of the above bands do not actually fall into the punk catagory, however they are serious and worthy bands or acts, and to throw them around in a post defending the most silly and non punk Matt and Kim is hilarious.

This Heat, Pere Ubu, Outsiders, Nation of Ulysses, M/A/R/R/S, The Trojans, Black Dice, Todd Terry, Germs, Section 25, Althea and Donna, Sexual Harrassment, Pere Ubu, Dorothy Ashby, PiL, Fania All-Stars, Bar-Kays, Human League, The Normal, Lou Reed, Scott Walker, Monks, Niagra, Joy Division, Sun Ra, Scientists, Royal Trux, 10cc, Eric B. & Rakim, Index, Basic Channel, Soulsonic Force, Juan Atkins, David Axelrod, Electric Prunes, Gil Scott Heron, The Slits, Faust, Mantronix, Pharaoh Sanders, Fire Engines, The Swans, The Soft Cell, the Sonics, the Sonics, the Sonics, the Sonics.

I can pretty much assure you that most readers of this blog and most of the people at the pool yesterday have absolutely no idea who any of the bands you mentioned above are. However the original poster that mentioned that Matt and Kim are like any punk band probably has a few Ramones and Sex Pistols and Clash t-shirts.

it's like 5 people listing bands dude.

it's become a fun game for a lot of lurkers to come out of the woodwork and embarrass you.

Cabaret Voltaire = Matt and Kim.

Cabaret Matt and Kim.

3:12 what is your point with this list? If it is to further illustrate 'punk' bands that don;t use guitars as their main sound, your completely off the mark.. Many of these bands are not punk, and the many that are use guitars. What is your point?

3:15:

Apparently the lurkers are posting not to embarrass anyone, but to just list bands for no reason, as in 3:12.

The Germs and The Sonics have the biggest guitar driven sound ever for punk. The Human League punk? Ha ha ha . And since when was Lou Reed considered a punk band?

Just sayin'

here are some posts that are definitely all by the same person, better known as "the guitar kid":

3:14, 3:06, 3:02, 2:55, 2:21, 2:19, 2:18, 1:32, 1:19, 1:09, 12:59, 12:36

there are probably more, but these are the obvious ones. I'm not a mindreader!