Posted in music | pictures on July 14, 2008

photos by Ryan Muir

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Sunday (July 13, 2008). Matt & Kim. Before The Breeders. Free...

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

Breeders @ McCarren Pool

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Comments (229)

I'm a HUGE Breeders fan.... but I think Matt & Kim were the highlight for me yesterday. All in all it was a really fun day at McCarren Park!!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:10 AM

so glad i was still in line during that set. it sounded so wince-worthy.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:11 AM

10:11 am, glad you weren't there. Next time just don't leave the couch.

Also you can tell how wince-worthy it was from the good times in the photos above right?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:15 AM

People really like these guys that much? "Wince-worthy" is right!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:16 AM

11:16 take the stick out of your ass.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:19 AM

^^^future man....

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:21 AM

did anybody else think the whip stole the show? everybody was great - but wow @ the whip.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:23 AM

This looked so cute/fun I want to puke

Posted by Pierre | July 14, 2008 10:24 AM

hey guys i hate everything too yay internetZ!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:27 AM

matt & kim were fun live but there is no way i could ever just listen to it on its own.

Posted by michael | July 14, 2008 10:27 AM

I've never been a big M&K fan, but man, that looks like a fun time. Maybe I'll have to give them another shot...

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:27 AM

It was sorta funny watching the young hipsters in the crowd trying to figure out if it's still cool to like the Breeders.

They know they are supposed to like Matt & Kim, but the Breeders are so OLD!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:28 AM

getting Rude Mechanical Orchestra to play with them was a masterstroke.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:28 AM

Oh they're so fun and wacky! What will they do next? Suck each other's dicks on stage? This band is garbage, a band isn't good just because their live show is all smiles and fun-filled.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:35 AM

has kim ever closed her mouth? or is it always agape?

no value judgement, just a question...

Posted by zeno | July 14, 2008 10:35 AM

saw Matt and Kim twice yesterday...if you cant have a good time when you see them then you are obviously just a miserable fuck.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:36 AM

The Whip were so good omg. only a few people were dancing but whatever! it was really good dance music and the songs were so catchy. Matt & Kim were !ohmygod adorable! but also a little painful,this is from someone who liked their album a lot. but they were exactly what i expected too.

Posted by Mandy | July 14, 2008 10:38 AM

oh giggle, giggle. All the hipsters having fun and smiling. I'm happy now. Yaaaay!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:38 AM

awesome day in the sun yesterday. all the bands sounded great. the whip got the crowd going despite being the first act and matt & kim played an awesome set. Matt is completely over exuberant and his humor is hit and miss, but it fit the general atmosphere. they have lots of positive energy (a term/concept i am sure will make many BV posters cringe..) and clearly were loving playing the pool in the their neighborhood.

now, the breeders were good though some songs sounded much better than others. CAN WE PLEASE DISUCSS HOW KELLEY DEAL LOOKED AND ACTED COMPLETELY STONED?

did she flake out on the end of "happiness is a warm gum cover"?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:39 AM

this hipster dance pop thing is really lame. both the whip and matt and kim served to cement my view that williamsburg hipsterism is in fact the epitome of douchebaggery. the breeders were great, but it was hard to make it through those openers. it was a laugh to watch all the sweaty morons dressed like fools walking away from the stage before the breeders set.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:41 AM

I for one tend to dislike "instant hype band" trendiness but Matt & Kim are earning the success they're receiving the old fashioned way...by constantly playing on the road and turning on people face-to-face. Like it or hate it...Kim's a star. She's basically Karen O on drums and she exhudes confidence and good 'ole fashioned fun. If you didn't get a kick out of that Beyonce dance routine she was in at the Pool, you've all but forgotten what a good time at a live show is supposed to be about.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:44 AM

@ 10:36 - seriously. they are a great time and always fun to see! good music to work out to, also! i don't see how anyone can NOT like them.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:45 AM

@ 10:41 - eat a bag of dicks. it's called having fun. instead of chastising those who know how to have it, maybe you should take some notes, you fucking asstard.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:47 AM

i was having fun at f yeah fest crowd surfing for mat & kim until my phone was stolen and i was dropped on my head....they are a great time though very unexpected

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:51 AM

i had fun yesterday but Matt seemed like even a bigger eunuch-y douchebag on stage with all the giggling and "OMG!!" i think he almost busted a nut when those 2 little girls came on stage and were introduced.

and yes i am a fan and i've seen them enough times.

Posted by freddie mercury | July 14, 2008 10:55 AM

how come the first half of teh breeders set was SO muddy? the other two bands sounded fine. kinda pissed me off

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 10:56 AM

popcorn anyone?

Posted by un:art:ig | July 14, 2008 10:56 AM

Matt & Kim were the highlight of the day for me. They were just so happy to be playing, and they projected their joy into the crowd, and the crowd ate it up.
I went into the show not really liking their music, but their set was just so much fun.
My photos from the whole day here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/subcow/sets/72157606158818770/

Posted by SubCow | July 14, 2008 10:57 AM

I was there for the whole concert. Although no one was really paying attention to the Whip they were fantastic, prob the best band the show had to offer. Matt & Kim were good too, but the enthusiasm was indeed nauseating, and to see people crowd surfing to a guy on a Casio was confusing. The Breeders were pretty bland compared to the giddy indie fervor M&K brought, and they proved that these pool parties are about what the crowd knows, not what they have to know.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:00 AM

true story- I got there early and planted the rail. next to me were these two late 20s-early thirtish latino dudes and they were having a relatively good time through the first two bands.

After the Breeders came on they were like "uhh, what is this??". then they asked the one security guard who was patrolling the photog pit if there were any more bands coming after and the guy said no this is the last band, and the two dudes left. Just saying- they were on the rail the whole day and left about 5 or 6 songs into the set.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:02 AM

i agree, breeders were mucho muddy, still good tho. love them Deal grrl harmonies.
i think outdoor sound at mccarren and seaport can suck depending on where you're standing...luckily it was free and the music wasn't the only thing going on. hell yeah for some dodgeball.

even though the first two bands weren't my thing (glorified party bands) and matt's OMG!!! demeanor really WAS super cringe-worthy, the overall scene that day was quite fun.

Posted by the jim | July 14, 2008 11:03 AM

@ 11:00 - Amen to that last sentence.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:03 AM

that chick's legs are pretty hairy.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:08 AM

Anyone who would stay there in that heat all day for the first two bands and leave for the Breeders was a moron.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:09 AM

The Breeders and Matt & Kim were both great!

If you want to be a snob about it, yeah, Matt & Kim are kind of annoying. But their energy is so infectious, and the songs are pretty catchy live. It's perfect summer afternoon party music.

The Whip were really catchy too. It was just the wrong setting for them. The only time they should play outside is at night. They are a band that needs a great light show. Otherwise, in the sunlight, with the crowd just standing there, it's not so impressive. Kind of like Daft Punk with no suits with Trent Reznor singing in the middle of the day in a park.

Posted by wembley | July 14, 2008 11:09 AM

Matt and Kim don't do it for me.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:10 AM

anyone that hates matt & kim has a general distaste for life. i mean seriously. go rain on someone else's parade.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:16 AM

withouth the orchestra it would have been nothing special, because we've all seen Matt + Kim many times before, right? but that was something special.

great vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trwx1EWxo08

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:16 AM

Most fun Tito's ever had a pool party.

Posted by Tito | July 14, 2008 11:17 AM

More rock, less vaudeville.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:17 AM

Give me a break with all the "if you don't like Matt & Kim, you're just a stick in the mud grumpy no-fun soulless bore!" They are just not that great of a band if you aren't into their grinning and posing, and if you're annoyed by all their minions who shove it in your face about how much fun they are and how they just love performing and exude that positive energy when you express dislike. Overhyped Pratt bullshit.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:23 AM

Matt & Kim would never get in to Santo Party House thats for fucking sure!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:28 AM

The Whip definitely stole the show. To be honest Matt and Kim were kind of a dissapointment, Yea Yeah did not sound good with the band. The Breeders were eh..actually left early on that one :x Fun day at McCarren though!

Posted by A | July 14, 2008 11:32 AM

i left before the breeders because i don't care about the breeders. stop being such assholes. would you have rather all the non-breaders fans just stay there and fill up the venue so all the people waiting in line just to see the breeders got stuck outside? no you wouldn't, so shut up.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:32 AM

Glad yawl had a good time ...for once ;)

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:35 AM

what can i say... if you like matt & kim but you don't like the breeders, then you're a musical idiot. protest all you want, that's just the way it is.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:38 AM

For serious, why does someone who hates on Matt&Kim have a distate for life? The same thing could be said for dozens of other bands that portray a similar energy/attitude (i.e. Flaming Lips, Ghostland Observatory, etc). I think all people are trying to say is that Matt&Kim don't do it for them musically. Is that really that hard to understand? Upon hearing them, I would think that would be fairly apparent. Yeah, if you want to jump around a sweaty mess of people and crowd surf then they're great. But a lot of people don't like that (especially a lot of people who are pumped to see Breeders).

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:39 AM

Which one is matt and which one is kim?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:41 AM

The Whip and Matt and Kim changed my life yesterday!

I didn't stay for the Breeders but I'm sure they changed someone's life too.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:44 AM

is it just me or is matt really annoying?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:45 AM

hey guys, that big bold guy in sunglasses in front, didnt I see him put some kid in a head lock and cause all sorts of commotion toward the end of the set. I think he was a breeders fan who was planting that front and center spot and didnt appreciate the crowd surfing?

If Im mistaken my apologies, mr bold guy...

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:48 AM

"would you have rather all the non-breaders fans just stay there and fill up the venue so all the people waiting in line just to see the breeders got stuck outside?"

You're assuming they were adopting a one-in one-out policy. For some baffling reason they weren't. Anyone know why?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:52 AM

The big bald guy was there for the Breeders, but if I saw the scene correctly, a bunch of guys were jumping all over and crushing him up front against the security fence. Then one of the kids started sorta choking the bald guy from behind.

I was too busy trying to take photos, so I could be wrong.

Posted by Kurt C. | July 14, 2008 11:57 AM

it is one thing for folks to not like a band, but the people who dislike Matt an Kim here hate on them with a fervor that is itself ridiculous.

The band wrote a slew of catchy songs and have a basic sound that is unique. They also play the hell out it on stage with real punk energy. While they decidedly aren't tech metal or chamber pop or some other similarly technical pretentious pap, their playing ability is not really what is getting impuned here.

People dislike them because they're really sunny and upbeat and happy (and not to mention, un-macho). I'm sorry, but disliking something specifically because it is sunny and positive and a little fey - you're either a grinch with a chip on his shoulder a mile wide or else you're a raging homophobe who's terrified of anything even a little limpwristed if it seriously bothers you as much as the comments here let on.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:58 AM

Matt was by far the most annoying person I can remember hearing talk (and sing) in recent memory. Good god.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:59 AM

i love how people think if you think matt and kim suck then you can't have fun and are a cold hardened human.

the problem is they sing incredibly stupid songs out of tune with absolutely no depth.

it's fun if you are 12 or have a learning disability

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:00 PM


"i left before the breeders because i don't care about the breeders. stop being such assholes. would you have rather all the non-breaders fans just stay there and fill up the venue so all the people waiting in line just to see the breeders got stuck outside? no you wouldn't, so shut up."

Apparently the Breeders fans got stuck outside anyway, as the pool party police were not letting in people on line as people were leaving the venue. So the real assholes were the Pool security guards/fire marshal/cops/organizers/Jelly NYC.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:00 PM

1145:

It's not just you... Matt is REALLY annoying. His shtick made me dislike the act instantly.

Poser hipster bullshit fake enthusiasm.

Matt and Kim are a Williamsburg Whites Stripes wanna-be act with no talent. They are all about the silliness.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:02 PM

let me repeat: if you like matt & kim but don't like the breeders than you're a musical idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:04 PM

yes ... kind of simple stuff. True though being happy is a pretty simple afair. I'm glad you kiddies are finally getting the hang of it.

Now try being happy with some more complex musical concepts and you'll be on to something. Just kidding. Enjoy your tunes (seriously).

But if you get out of line and shit on my happiness...me and big bald guy will head lock you.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:05 PM

Lets see, Breeders headlining the pool 15 years after their platinum selling album. Where do you think Matt and Kim will be in 15 years? What was Matt and Kim's big song? Wasn't there an opening band to the Breeders when they used to have concerts in the pool way back in the 2000's that had a marching band?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:05 PM

crowd surfing is so gay.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:06 PM

That video of M&K playing "Yea Yeah" is fantastic!

It's so great that people with developmental disabilities don't have to pack toothbrushes in factories anymore.

They can just move to Brooklyn and become "Rock" Stars!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:17 PM

since when are Kim Deal and the Breeders some legendary mega talented important band?

they are and have always been Kim from the Pixies' side project. I've always enjoyed them as a POP BAND but they're hardly out there changing music. I saw them in 1991 and this was true even then (the opener Unrest blew them off the stage, in fact). They have a small handful of memorable songs (happiness is a warm gun cover, safari, cannonball, etc), a lot of ok filler, and a fair number of clunkers.

How is this so different from Matt and Kim or any young high energy pop band, aside from the fact that M&K smile a lot and say nerdy fey things between the songs?

Maybe you shouldn't be so bothered?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:18 PM

Bizarre defense of Matt & Kim on this thread. I might be a homophobe for not liking their music? Some people don't like the music you like, that's all.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:21 PM

Who know who I fucking hate? Nirvana! Nirvana fucking suck. And I saw Kurt Cobain at the pool yesterday, enjoying the Breeders and Matt & Kim while eating out the asshole of the bold man. WTF?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:21 PM

The first second of Matt & Kim's exaggerated enthusiasm and whiny kid vocals sent me and my friends scrambling for the exit. And why were those little kids onstage with them?? Not even The Breeders are worth the wait for that kind of torture.
Someone please revoke M&K's happy music license.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:22 PM

I remember being at U2 concert in the early 90s and seeing the Pixies open for them. Many people in the crowd booed them and called them "fags." People said snide things about their ability to play and about how simple the songs sounded. Same story when I saw Dinosaur Jr open for Neil Young.

This hating on young opening bands whose songs you don't know yet thing is an old old sad story.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:23 PM

Matt + Kim = Lame!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:24 PM

I would agree with the assertion that the kind of hate you see expressed here about Matt and Kim is way more annoying and unusual and overblown than anything the band could possibly do.

Yeah, it borders on some irrational, fear provoked fervor. Don't worry, Matt and Kim aren't gonna getcha and turn ya all happy and gay, guys! It's ok if you bop your head along, it doesn't mean anything about your manhood!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:33 PM

How are the Breeders different from Matt and Kim?

To compare Matt and Kim to the Breeders or even the Pixies because they were all opening bands is ludicrous.

It's not about whether you like the band or not or if people show no respect for the opening band, it's about if the opening band is even a band at all.

All the other bands mentioned as opening acts were/are actual real bands, like em or not. Matt and Kim are a hipster joke that don't seem to have much legs beyond the hipster community.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:38 PM

Yeah, come on, they were a lot of fun.

Posted by NewmRadio | July 14, 2008 12:38 PM

no! no! no! no! no! no! no! no! no!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:39 PM

12:38 way to use a lot of words to say that YOU don't like this band. care to say something with some content?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:41 PM

12:38:

last time I checked, Matt and Kim have drums, keyboards, vocals, a pile of catchy songs, verses, choruses, bridges, dynamics, all the things that make them a REAL BAND as much as any punk band.

It's ok that they happen to be a real band that you don't like, but try saying something meaty about whatever it really is you don't like about them (or else just take a deep breath, push the keyboard aside, and calm down on the hate.)

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:48 PM

Ok here's some content:

Matt and Kim= stupid cutsey name, making sure that they stay in cute status for the rest of their career and aren't taken seriously.

Matt and Kim= no memorable songs, no unique sound or voice.

Matt and Kim= All in the stage presence, energy and enthusiasm. That's the only strength for the act. Hipsters an come out and revel that there are other hipsters like them on the stage. Hipster Identification is the the thing here.

Matt and Kim= Best opening slot= Opening for The Breeders at Mccarren Pool

The Breeders= Great name. Catchy. ironic. Interesting.

The Breeders= several memorable catchy tunes, specific sound, Deal sisters unique vocals.

The Breeders= sound great on record, CD, radio and live.

The Breeders= Best opening slot= Opening for NIRVANA on most, if not all dates of their 1993 USA tour, only a few years after the Breeders even formed.

Summary: Breeders real band, real music. Matt and Kim: Williamsburg flavor of the moment.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:53 PM

I don't get the arguing over music here.
I loooooove the Pixies, and I think the Breeders are pretty damn good. Nowhere near as good as the Pixies in my opinion. But I have friends whose musical tastes I respect who think The Breeders are the greatest.
I came into the show barely knowing Matt & Kim. What I heard online i didn't really care for.
once they came on though, they were a just plain fun to watch, and they were excited and energetic.

It was a free concert. If I saw even one good band for free, I would be happy. All three bands on the bill had something different to offer. I just don't get the bitching and moaning, and trashing the bands who played a show for free.

From a photographer's perspective, Matt & Kim was the best band of the day to shoot. It was a blast. The Breeders just stood there and played.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/subcow/sets/72157606159042378/

There is not much point, everyone's opinion is valid (unless you like Creed).

Posted by Kurt C. | July 14, 2008 12:53 PM

I saw the Breeders open for Nirvana in December 1993. They were flat and looked bored and were pretty much phoning it in. They sucked. Shonen Knife (who was the first opener) was better, and I always hated Shonen Knife.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:59 PM

"last time I checked, Matt and Kim have drums, keyboards, vocals, a pile of catchy songs, verses, choruses, bridges, dynamics, all the things that make them a REAL BAND as much as any punk band."

Then you don't know much about punk bands.
Pretty much every single punk rock band ever in the entire history of punk rock had guitars as their main sound, or at least as a major component of the sound and visuals.

The only 'punk' act that has ever been associated with punk over the years and was keyboard focused with no guitarist was SUICIDE, and they are much closer to dance electronica than punk anyway. They are only mentioned along with punk groups because of the time and place they came out of and the attitude they had/have.

Matt and Kim a real band as much as any punk band? Funniest and most absurd thing I've heard on this board.

Matt and Kim equal the new Clash!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:59 PM

I have THEE biggest crush on Kim.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:03 PM

12:59: your argument that Matt and Kim aren't a "punk band" (as if that even has meaning) because they don't have guitars is hilarious.

Hey Kiddo - ever hear of the Screamers?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:03 PM

of course 12:59 ain't ever heard of the Screamers. he's 16 years old and only just deleted Good Charlotte off his iPod last semester.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:05 PM

"From a photographer's perspective, Matt & Kim was the best band of the day to shoot. It was a blast. The Breeders just stood there and played"

Oh no kidding! You mean it was more fun to shoot a stage full of dancing cheerleaders, tuba players and cute little girls dancing than middle aged former drug addicts playing good music?

Most great bands just stand there and play. The Beatles just stood there and played.

Bands shouldn't be judged based on if they are fun to shoot photos of because there's lots of colorful supplementary stuff going on on the stage. If that's what you are interested in, then go shoot the circus.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:06 PM

why was Kim drinking a beer onstage? twice! she's like AA isn't she? well, different strokes...

Matt & Kim aren't my cup of tea but I sure had fun while they played. Perfect double bill, perfect day.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:08 PM

Matt and Kim are too happy to be a punk band.

I can't think of any act I've seen in years that has less in common with the attitudes and or sounds or visuals of punk rock as this thing you call Matt and Kim. They are as far from being 'punk' as anyone can be.

And I don't think there is any indication that they are trying to be, so making a comparison between punk and Matt and Kim is absurd.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:09 PM

I would argue that a large part of a live show is what you're seeing. You don't go to concerts with your eyes closed. So I'll stick up with the photographer here...because I sure was enthralled when all that stuff was going on onstage...and I'm no huge Matt and Kim fan. That was the first time I'd heard or seen them.

Posted by NewmRadio | July 14, 2008 1:11 PM

maybe it was root beer.

Matt & Kim were fun. "Crazy In Love" marching-band thing actually rocked. what would Matt & Kim fans recommend as a starting point for checking out their music?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:13 PM

the Beatles did not just stand there and play. they had serious energy and got into it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl8kOnOANg8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-9r3C6V23E

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:15 PM

1"03:

Yes, yes the Screamers.... That's why I said "PRETTY MUCH every single punk rock band ever in the entire history of punk rock had guitars as their main sound"... 'Pretty much'. That means 'not all'. Of course there's one or two. You named the Screamers. Good for you. Now name another, and a third. Of course there's a few. That's why I named Suicide as an example. Yes, you can probably come up with a few, so can I. But you'd have them listed on one hand. And they'd be pretty esoteric. If your starting out with the Screamers as your main illustrative point, then you are probably going to get a lot more obscure as you try to come up with other examples. What most hipsters and Matt and Kim fans think of as Punk Rock neatly fits in the Ramones/Sex Pistols/Black Flag/Dead Kennedy's/Clash/Misfits/Germs etc sound....
All of which has a similar guitar sound to it.

I'm not 16, and I've heard of the Screamers. My point though is that the person I was replying to who compared Matt and Kim to 'any punk band' most probably HASN'T heard of the Screamers.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:19 PM

1:19. actually you spent about 300 words saying Matt and Kim aren't punk because they have no guitars - AND YOU GOT SCHOOLED.

now shut the fuck up and let the grown ups talk. your argument was silly and your attempt to save face afterwards is even sillier.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:21 PM

ok let me just settle this once and for all,

Matt and Kim: great show because they threw us a curve we werent expecting (the band, the kids, the crowd surfing). they are annoying, but thats their program. I told them to smile less many times but they just wont listen.

The Breeders - why is it even called the Breeders? any original band members other than two sisters? who was that girl from Florida I felt sad for her they didnt even put her name on their myspace.

this is a real band?? two primadonnas, two sidesmen, and one sidewoman getting dissed with on and off the stage biz?

Where was the killer baselines that was their signature sound. no surprises and no intensity, with every song it was like a balloon was getting deflated.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:21 PM

Yes the Beatles had serious energy, but they essentially just stood in their places during their set. They didn''t jump around and run around the stage and jump into the crowd and didn't hire marching bands and dancers and little girls to entertain the crowd while they stood on their marks....

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:22 PM

hey KURT C, your blog f*ckin' sucks so stop makin' dumb comments and linking to bullsh*t.

we get it you're an amateur photography major

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:23 PM

did you watch those youtube videos 1:22. you're wrong, the Beatles totally moved around and riffed off each other like the rhythm and blues band they wanted to be.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:26 PM

"dillinger 4 and circle jerks, my vagina is wet, and matt hasn't done that in a long time." - kim.
if anyone was at the brooklyn show of the fuck yeah tour, what time did circle jerks go on, i left at 12 30

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:30 PM

Beatles- the first and the greatest. esp the early years.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:30 PM

1:21:

Ok you replied and yet you couldn't come up with a single additional example to support your argument other than the Screamers. I stand correct.

Your comments are ridiculous and based solely on the fact that you know who the Screamers are. Nonsensical argument.

Go back to school.

Anyone who defends Matt and Kim by way of the Screamers is a real fool.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:32 PM

1:19. the person you were the replying to and the the person who schooled you and the person schooling you now are all the same person.

if you want, I could come up with some other old punk bands for you to look up on Wikipedia. You seemed to really get into the Screamers thing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:33 PM

"Bands shouldn't be judged based on if they are fun to shoot photos of because there's lots of colorful supplementary stuff going on on the stage. If that's what you are interested in, then go shoot the circus."

haaaaa! Nice one, Anon 1:06!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:37 PM

1:33. this post made no sense at all.

"anyone who defends Matt and Kim by way of the Screamers is a real fool"

you should get that on your headstone, clearly a quotable quote right there.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:37 PM

btw, and this is solely to help embarass the kid who keeps posting and digging himself deeper into a hole about the whole inane "you're not punk if you don't have guitars" thing:

the Units, Tuxedomoon, etc....

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:40 PM

nobody needs to keep embarrassing that poor "guitars rule" kid. (but don't forget the Need.)

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:42 PM

here's a head twister... in 1:37, please read the 1:33 as 1:32.

gotta love Brooklyn Vegan!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:43 PM

the Need were AWESOME

up up and awaaaaay!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 1:46 PM

Matt and Kim =The Beatles.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:05 PM

the Beatles = Captain & Tenille

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:10 PM

Captain & Kim > Matt & Tennille

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:17 PM

Ok, Screamers, Units, Tuxedomoon. That's three. Two of which are so freaking esoteric that you've proved my point entirely. You can't even come up with more than three bands in the whole genre and history of punk, that you revert to writing 'etc' after Tuxedomoon.


And it took you almost 40 minutes to look up the other two by going through the internet to find any punk bands that don't use guitars. And these are the two acts that you came up with. hilarious.


I dont have to look to Wikipedia to know that Tuxedomoon are so freaking esoteric that nobody has ever heard of them.

But since you mentioned it, they aren't even listed on Wikipedia as a punk band, they are described as an experimental POST-punk/New Wave group. If you are going into the experimental, post punk and/or New Wave genre, then the opposite applies, where most of the acts DIDN:T USE GUITARS you fool!

If you are going to use something as an example to SCHOOL someone it's best to read the thing you just looked up first before you list it, it only makes you look like a moron when someone calls you on it or simply reads it.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:18 PM

No...let's keep embarassing "guitar-only punk chump"

Early D.A.F., SPK, early Cabaret Voltaire, Factrix, NON, Minimal Man, Controlled Bleeding...get the point?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:19 PM

"if you want, I could come up with some other old punk bands for you to look up on Wikipedia."

You mean after you yourself found them on Wikipedia?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:21 PM

Matt and Kim = the New Tuxedomoon.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:22 PM

I think Kim drinks non-alcoholic beers.

Posted by butternuts | July 14, 2008 2:25 PM

Minimal Man! right on, 219.

Posted by Frankie Beergut | July 14, 2008 2:31 PM

whoa! battle of the punk nerds! throwing down KNOWLEDGE!!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:32 PM

2:18, you should really stop.

the point you were trying to make was so damn silly in the first place. Now you're really stretching to try to counter the *many* people who have ridiculed you.

I know it hurts when people say pointed things about you, but it's also ok to just admit you said something stupid and ill considered and then stop defending yourself. Just bow out and find some other thread to say stupid shit on. You've lost it on this one.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:34 PM

99.999999% of williamsburg own those huge bug eyed glasses. Its like nobody wants to look you in the eye.

Also, when did hot pants become fashionable for men? It was almost parody. On the other end of the spectrum, Rammstein shirt guy with the semi- clockwork orange-neo nazi-columbine look provided many chuckles.

I also hit up this Italian fest a few blcoks away. Sausage and peppers, baby.

Posted by Mike | July 14, 2008 2:35 PM

I like how the guitar kid hasn't figured out yet that The Need were a band.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:36 PM

as someone who reads brooklynvegan to watch the scene experts duke it out overt the finer points of music snobbery,

can we please stop with all the anonymous arguers? it makes it hard for my simple mind to keep track of who is winning. pick a name.

after seeing Matt & Kim, i am still trying to scrub the twee off of me.

Posted by the jim | July 14, 2008 2:38 PM

I'd pay to see the captain and kim

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:39 PM

2:19:

You cannot seriously consider Cabaret Voltaire punk can you? If you are going to go there, you can pretty much name any alternative group of musicians who put out a record during the punk era.

That wasn't the point of the original post.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:55 PM

I liked Matt & Kim when they called themselves Mates of State. They were much cuter than too.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 2:56 PM

"the point you were trying to make was so damn silly in the first place. Now you're really stretching to try to counter the *many* people who have ridiculed you."

Like anyone is fooled into thinking that all the posts listing The Sceamers. Tuxedo Moon, Early D.A.F., SPK, early Cabaret Voltaire, Factrix, NON, Minimal Man, Controlled Bleeding aren't by the same person.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:02 PM

What about the "King Diamond tour 89/90" t-shirt on the stage guy! was that hip or what? also the woman in the straw hat who was setting up all the equipment,

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:03 PM

don't forget the Pop Group either.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:04 PM

I made one of those posts and I can tell you I didn't make the other ones

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:04 PM

2:34 YOU really should stop. You've lost it on this one. Stop listing every esoteric non commercial obscure band you can think of/look up that doesn't use a main guitar sound that recorded something during the years 1977 onwards that falls into industrial.alternative, neo whatever to support your argument against the fact that most people think of a guitar sound when they hear the word 'punk rock'. The only think you've won in this argument is the right to call yourself the biggest douchbag music nerd on the planet.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:06 PM

I find it so entertaining and ironic that all these serious above groups are being listed in regards to a post about Matt and Kim..

Funny stuff.

I will admit that many of the above bands do not actually fall into the punk catagory, however they are serious and worthy bands or acts, and to throw them around in a post defending the most silly and non punk Matt and Kim is hilarious.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:10 PM

This Heat, Pere Ubu, Outsiders, Nation of Ulysses, M/A/R/R/S, The Trojans, Black Dice, Todd Terry, Germs, Section 25, Althea and Donna, Sexual Harrassment, Pere Ubu, Dorothy Ashby, PiL, Fania All-Stars, Bar-Kays, Human League, The Normal, Lou Reed, Scott Walker, Monks, Niagra, Joy Division, Sun Ra, Scientists, Royal Trux, 10cc, Eric B. & Rakim, Index, Basic Channel, Soulsonic Force, Juan Atkins, David Axelrod, Electric Prunes, Gil Scott Heron, The Slits, Faust, Mantronix, Pharaoh Sanders, Fire Engines, The Swans, The Soft Cell, the Sonics, the Sonics, the Sonics, the Sonics.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:12 PM

I can pretty much assure you that most readers of this blog and most of the people at the pool yesterday have absolutely no idea who any of the bands you mentioned above are. However the original poster that mentioned that Matt and Kim are like any punk band probably has a few Ramones and Sex Pistols and Clash t-shirts.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:14 PM

it's like 5 people listing bands dude.

it's become a fun game for a lot of lurkers to come out of the woodwork and embarrass you.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:15 PM

Cabaret Voltaire = Matt and Kim.

Cabaret Matt and Kim.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:15 PM

3:12 what is your point with this list? If it is to further illustrate 'punk' bands that don;t use guitars as their main sound, your completely off the mark.. Many of these bands are not punk, and the many that are use guitars. What is your point?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:17 PM

3:15:

Apparently the lurkers are posting not to embarrass anyone, but to just list bands for no reason, as in 3:12.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:20 PM

The Germs and The Sonics have the biggest guitar driven sound ever for punk. The Human League punk? Ha ha ha . And since when was Lou Reed considered a punk band?

Just sayin'

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:21 PM

here are some posts that are definitely all by the same person, better known as "the guitar kid":

3:14, 3:06, 3:02, 2:55, 2:21, 2:19, 2:18, 1:32, 1:19, 1:09, 12:59, 12:36

there are probably more, but these are the obvious ones. I'm not a mindreader!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:26 PM

Believe me I'm not embarrased 3:15. It could be five people it could be fifteen. Or as I suspect, it's just you. The 'lurkers' as you say are doing nothing but listing the names of all kinds of bands that have nothing to do with each other or have anything at all to do with the original post or argument. I can just start listing bands of all genres too. The embarrassing thing here is the 'lurkers' *(or you) have clearly no idea how to define an argument or a musical genre and see the need to just start posting band names that have nothing to do with anything.

we get it. Your a music geek. You have a big vinyl record collection focusing on the years 1977-1983.

You wait on a board like this so you can pounce and start listing band names that noone has ever heard of. Great job!

Now go get a life. Your pathetic.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:27 PM

RAH RAH RAH RAH RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!

and to think i could have seen bon jovi instead of this!!!

and just out of curiosity, is it now "hip" for a dude to have a tramp stamp?

Posted by poopnscoop | July 14, 2008 3:29 PM

Ha! In that crazy 3:12 list, one of these bands actually played in this pool. not too long ago, The Slits! opening for Sonic Youth. The place was completely empty for the Slits opening slot (no pun intended), for the sold out Sonic Youth show. Seems the Billyburg hipsters there to see Sonic Youth could care less for the Slits or any one on that list above.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:31 PM

dude. just admit (to yourself?) that your statement that punk bands have to have guitars was ill conceived and the argument is over. the only reason you're being ridiculed is because of that silly statement you made. here it is again to refresh your memory:

"Pretty much every single punk rock band ever in the entire history of punk rock had guitars as their main sound, or at least as a major component of the sound and visuals. The only 'punk' act that has ever been associated with punk over the years and was keyboard focused with no guitarist was SUICIDE"

dumb, right? why are you still arguing with everyone here when it's obvious you said a dumb thing. just back off it and drop it.

btw, it's doubly ridiculous that you're trying to pull the "you guys are all juts one loser dude" play since you've unequivocally and unambiguously posted now at least 14 times anonymously on this thread! you are a fool with hurt feelings, get over it!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:32 PM

"What about the "King Diamond tour 89/90" t-shirt on the stage guy! was that hip or what? also the woman in the straw hat who was setting up all the equipment"

Hey, King diamond guy is a good friend of mine. Nobody wears a King Diamond shirt more earnestly that him.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:35 PM

3:26:

'Guitar Kid' here. Yes some of those posts are by me. The obvious ones. Duh. If I am in an argument with someone as stupid as you most of my posts will be of the same nature/voice. And most were in response to you who I'm convinced are most of the other posts. However, not all that you mentioned above were mine. So yes you are not a mindreader, but you are not a very good blog reader either.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:36 PM

Umm, these Flaming Lips-style shennanigans look, to borrow a phrase, BONKERS. And guess what: I wish I was there!

Posted by Anonymouse | July 14, 2008 3:37 PM

I am neither the Guitar Kid nor the big record collection guy, just an outside reader. My two cents is that whenever a post becomes as long as this and focuses on really anal musical knowledge it is usually two people posting.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:40 PM

oh, so now you're describing your foes as all having "a big vinyl record collection(s) focusing on the years 1977-1983."

I thought you said we all "don't know much about punk bands" and what us "hipsters and Matt and Kim fans" "think of as Punk Rock neatly fits in the Ramones/Sex Pistols/Black Flag/Dead Kennedy's/Clash/Misfits/Germs" and our punk credentials some down to just "few Ramones and Sex Pistols and Clash t-shirts"

how did we all graduate from hipster punk posers to nerdy punk record collector savants so fast?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:40 PM

it actually isn't just two guys this time around. a lot of people have jumped in to name punk bands off to counter this guy's "punk requires guitars" assertation.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:44 PM

What makes you think I'm describing the same people?

I'm assuming that the argument I'm having with the idiot music nerd/record collector on this blog and the idiot Matt and Kim fan that posted the initial punk rock comparison were not the same person. If you are then you are a double idiot.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:45 PM

can we get back to the point? guitar or no guitar, matt and kim fucking suck


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:45 PM

I only ever said the Screamers (which btw, are seminal). The other band list posts are other dudes.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:45 PM

um, 3:45, because you keep saying (neurotically) that you think it's just one guy you're talking to.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:47 PM

I'm Anon 2:19 and that's the only counter-post to "guitar-only punk chump" that I've made in this thread until this one. There are others who totally disagree with your comment...deal with it..or take the high road and admit that what you said was a bit silly.

@Frankie Beergut: Hell yes...Minimal Man!!!!

Posted by blackhat | July 14, 2008 3:49 PM

it's been one argument from you, Guitar Kid. you're lost it several times over and had your ignorance called out over and over again, but you won't throw in the towel. it's not even entertaining anymore. for awhile it was fun to watch you look like an dufus, now it's just boring.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:49 PM

I just reread 2:19. I think "guitar-only punk chump" is a much better name than "Guitar Kid"

let's start calling him that. GoPC for short.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:52 PM

i'm losing my edge

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:54 PM

hey Guitar Chump, your 3:36 post is pretty delusional. Most of the responses you've got have been pretty damned eloquent and elegant. I don't think your detractors have come across the least bit "stupid."

on a larger note, calling your enemy(ies) "stupid" will never win a debate. Most grown ups know this. It makes you sound like a child on the schoolyard or two siblings six year olds having a spat. It also has no meaning. We all think we're smart and are enemies are "stupid."

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 4:01 PM

THE INTER NET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 4:01 PM

I don't care who played guitar or who didn't in any of those awesome punk, post-punk, new-wave, no-wave bands of the late seventies and early eighties. I just want to make sure that Matt & Kim fans (and, hopefully the band themselves) KNOW that they SUCK.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 4:24 PM

Matt and Kim are an unpretentious fun band that writes catchy songs, plays them with a lot of contagious fervor in a unique configuration, and makes a lot of people happy.

People who dislike Matt and Kim largely dislike them because they are cheerful and dorky and a little limpwristed. While I would never say they are as good as or seminal as, the backlash is not unlike the reaction Beat Happening used to get when playing in front of meatheads.

You haters are just another generation of meatheads. Your tastes will be just as historically irrelevant as the late 80s meatheads turned out to be. Go listen to some Fishbone or some Amphetamine Reptile bands (or whatever the current equivalent happens to be.) Let others have their Matt and Kim, it isn't hurtin ya.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 4:36 PM

The internet is destroying culture and the comments on BV are exhibit "a."
--Rocky Napoli

Posted by Rocky Napoli | July 14, 2008 4:42 PM

Matt & Kim hurts us all.
They lower the standard and devalue music.
Encouraging them on a large scale makes it difficult for talented musicians to shine through lest they cultivate a similar dog and pony show.
If the talented are haplessly cursed with dignity, then they will undoubtedly bow out of the ratrace before it's over. only douch-bags will remain. it's happening and it will only get worse.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 4:56 PM

Telepathe is better

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 4:58 PM

matt and kim are hardly douchebags

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 4:59 PM

There is SO much worse "music" out there to hate on than Matt & Kim's but hey...you folks have a right to your opinions...so hate on I guess.

Posted by blackhat | July 14, 2008 5:05 PM

i don't want my rock to resemble a children's television show.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 5:15 PM

I can't believe how much smarter I am than all of you...no wonder i don't have any friends.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 5:18 PM

GEEZUS CHRISTO STOP POSTING ANONOMOUSLY! grow spines or try to be just a teensy bit creative and use someeeething other than anon if yr uncomfortable with revealing yr real name to the intarwebz.

i don't see why everyone's trying so damn hard to confine punk to rigid genre standards; isn't it more about the attitude? if every so-called "punk" band went around sounding the same music would never evolve; it's debilitating to pin it down. punk is about doing whatever the fuck you want. and if smiling and playing sunny music and throwing gender norms to the wind is how you roll, then i would love to be yr best friend.

whatever if you dont like the band go on the slip and slide. (that's what i did during the whip--they were alright, nothing riveting.)

i love matt & kim and the breeders! matt & kim were as always full of energy and i was superglad there were at least some kids surfing and dance-pit-ing. and the breeders played some of my favorite songs. i was soooo glad to hear german studies.

most of you people need to lighten up and stop trying to prove you're better than everyone else.

Posted by cassie | July 14, 2008 5:26 PM


"it's been one argument from you, Guitar Kid. you're lost it several times over and had your ignorance called out over and over again"

Sorry you are completely wrong. I have not lost any argument. The argument you are making has and always has been about something else completely different from what my intial post was all about. Interesting that you quote my initial response (12:59) to the post but not he orignal post I was replying to (12:48). You of course have taken it completely out of context from the get go just so you can use it as an excuse to start listing bands with no guitar. Your like minded 'lurkers' saw fit to join in the listing, but that has nothing to do with winning or losing my argument dickhead. You and your fellow lurkers are like the entire book High Fidelity but missing the first chapter which expalains the situation.

In that original post someone stated that Matt And Kim have "ALL the things that make them a REAL BAND as much as any punk band." Which would indicate everything.

My response was simply to illustrate that this comment was not true as the ONE thing that wasn't in their description was the ONE thing that MOST ordinary non record collector geeks and alternative music obsessives would consider to be the average and defining sound of a punk band....a .... guitar.. Simple comment. No big deal. Your average person or hipster or Matt and Kim Fan thinks of the Sex Pistols or the Ramones when you say 'Punk Rock band'.

When you ask the average person on the street (or in the pool for that matter) to describe the typical sound of a punk band, they are not going to say Cabaret Voltaire.

And if you argue with that, then stick your head back into your stereo.

Of course my initial innocent response to the person claiming that Matt and Kim possessed ALL that ANY punk band had in the way of a detailed list of instruments but failed to mention the inclusion of a guitar immediately unleashed a flurry of insane anal listing of band names of all genres in independent music attacking this post. How truly lame. I guess I shouldn't expect anything different from an indie music site, but no I haven't been proven wrong many times over by many different people, I've just had to endure a bunch of socially retarded musically obsessive list makers who hold esoteric bands in such a high light to their own lives that the only way they can make their lives meaningful is to list the bands on the internet that no one cares about anymore.

Sorry that I gave you losers an excuse to start your lists. I know you must have been waiting for months if not years for any excuse to name Factrix as a reply to something, anything.


Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 5:26 PM

Oh...now I get it Guitar-only punk chump...thanks for "expalaining" it to all of us.

Posted by blackhat | July 14, 2008 5:36 PM

5:26, I'm not even going to read all that but you are fucking NUTS

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 5:45 PM

5:26,
I understand that things shouldn't be so regimented in terms of genre. However, you need some sort of parameters in a label of musical style otherwise everything is everything.. If as you say Punk should be 'about doing whatever the fuck you want' then pretty much anything in the world is punk, and any musical outfit is a genuine punk band as long as no one else is forcing them to play music at gunpoint.

If being sunny and happy is punk to you, then I'm sure you consider the Archies and The Cowsills to be the first punk rock bands.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 5:49 PM

It seems that pretty much the only comments worth reading on this blog recently are the non-anonymous ones. I just scroll past the anonymous ones.

That said, M&K were great yesterday. The Breeders were a nice way to unwind.

Posted by me | July 14, 2008 5:50 PM

I am so much smarter than anyone on the internet. That's why I post here.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 5:50 PM

The second reply to 5:26 at 5:49, is actually a reply to the first 5:26... aka 'cassie'..
Damn same time stamp posts.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 5:53 PM

What's funny about 5:26's (better known as Guitar Chump) little breakdown is how illustrative it is of the little dudes who regularly post mean-spirited comments on this blog.

They love throwing vicious anonymous barbs at all the artists and musicians and organizers in the world, but they can't take even a little fire directed directly back at them.

All it took was us naming the guy (ie, calling him "Guitar Chump" instead of "Anonymous") and pointing out which ass-y posts were his, and then a little reasonable criticism of his dumbass comments, and the kid crumples and loses it. Can't take even a drop of his own medicine.

How do you think it feels for those hard-working creative people who you eviscerate to get your stinking ill-informed opinions thrown in their face daily? Most of them aren't even making a living putting their work out there for you to tear down. I tell ya, they're a lot braver than you, Guitar Chump.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 5:59 PM

All I know is that yesterday was sunny and warm, I went to a free concert that featured one of my favorite bands(The Breeders) and saw another deece band(Matt & Kim) whose energy was fun and infectious even though they were a bit campy. Also, I drank free Dewars and ginger, had a scrumdellyishous veggie burger, and oggled a lot of ladies that I would totally put babies into. Yep, not a bad Sunday.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:02 PM

the Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, Einstürzende Neubauten, The Meatmen, Jimi Hendrix, Dramarama, The Smiths, Devo, Wire, Frank Sinatra, Laibach, Crime, Elvis Presley, The Dicks, Dolly Parton, Romeo Void, Teenage Jesus and The Jerks, 999, X, The Contortions, Bob Marley, Steel Pulse, Husker DU, Depeche Mode, The Weavers, Pete Seeger, Fear, The Wombles, The Wailers, The Wailers, The Wailers......

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:03 PM

who the fuck is matt & kim? i guess i am not up to date with the new cool hipster indie bands. shit i think i am gonna lose sleep over this tonight.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:08 PM

5:59, the ultimate irony in your dumbass post is that you take credit for naming Anonymous as Guitar Chump and then you sign your very own post with Anonymous.

Do you see how stupid that is?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:15 PM

5:59. nope, not really. but nice try it *sounds* like something that might work as a burn, but no.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:21 PM

whoa there, I fudged that. 6:21 goes out to my good friend Guitar Chump, who wrote 6:15.

5:29 was on point, 6:15 was the dufus.

glad we got that sorted out!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:22 PM

so. just to make it clearly, we'll post it again with the correct time stamps. are you ready? here goes...

6:15. nope, not really. but nice try it *sounds* like something that might work as a burn, but no.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:24 PM

What the hell are you two queefs arguing about??Matt & Kim don't have guitars and they are certainly NOT punk rock, One has nothing to do with the other, but both statements are true.

Posted by Douchey McDouchestein | July 14, 2008 6:34 PM

is anybody posting on this thread over the age of 14?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:35 PM

matt and kim are a punk rock band.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:43 PM

I missed Matt & Kim. I was on the huge line outside.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:44 PM

No one will remember Matt and Kim in two years, except those who actually bought their records and they will only feel mild embarassment. I include Matt and Kim in my assessment.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:49 PM

They are a power pop band and an awful one at that, not a punk bad! Get yourself some Minor Threat records and stop being ignant.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 6:57 PM

can't be punk...no guitars

Posted by Paio Laa | July 14, 2008 7:01 PM

If given the choice between having my wisdom teeth extracted again or listening to Matt & Kim for an hour, I would choose the the extraction.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 7:07 PM

matt and kim blow ass. go back to your daddy's suburban castle you elitist pussy hipster shits. dudes that look like chicks still aren't cool.

Posted by hipsters must die | July 14, 2008 7:14 PM

first, i hardly consider matt and kim a "brooklyn band." i've lived in brooklyn for a decade and none of my friends' bands even acknowledge them. somehow they've gotten their gimmick and now they've played a few festivals, which means we will have to endure more talk from the great unwashed about whether they are hip or not. they are hip, but only to those who drive to lollapalooza to see them.

yawn.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 7:18 PM

okay everyone, it's naptime.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 7:22 PM

turble!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 7:25 PM

7:14

i think she's adorable. but then again you probably live in jersey.. what's wrong, you couldn't get close enough to drool over Bon Jovi?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 7:32 PM

"first, i hardly consider matt and kim a "brooklyn band." i've lived in brooklyn for a decade and none of my friends' bands even acknowledge them."

huh?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 7:37 PM

quite a flock of idiots on here this early evening.

I hope someday all of you have a chorus of fat dateless wonders to post anonymous comments about whatever it is you produce in life.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 8:43 PM

matt and kim have played in Brooklyn roughly 100 zillion times

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 8:50 PM

7:18 wins the award for post most obviously written whilst really really baked

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 9:48 PM

how many times have they played bowsery ballroom?

Posted by wembley | July 14, 2008 10:04 PM

We might as well take this one to the 200 post mark.

Also...I'm on the "everyone pick a handle" campaign. Let's face it...it's probably the same 100 or so readers of this blog who constantly post and when topics get really heated, it gets to hard to keep track of different people's arguments with all the Anon/time posts. Let people attribute laughter, empathy, agreement, disagreement and pity to the correct posters on BV. There's some really insightful and funny people on here...and some dumbasses too. So let's at least be able to tell who's who while still protecting our privacy, of course. Pick a handle people!

Posted by blackhat | July 14, 2008 10:54 PM

hahahahahahahahaha


we all lose.

vegan should start tracking ip numbers so we can find you sad fuckers and put you down for the good of society.

ps. People will remember matt and kim in 15 years. The amount of discussion they've generated on this post alone fucking proves it.

That's not an endorsement though I do enjoy them (now that is). But anything that generates emotions this strong (strong enough to keep you wank monkeys posting all day (talking mostly to guitar chump)) will be remembered 15 years from now.

Plus, I don't get the "who will care 15 years from now" argument anyway. There are scores of awesome bands who made great records decades ago that are hardly paid attention to today.

Also, Punk isn't just about how you sound, it's about what you do if anything. And traveling around playin shows all year in basements and backyards before things started picking up instead of getting a steady paying job is pretty punk. And who the hell said you had to be upset and mad to be punk. The way things are, being happy and adjusted and proud of it is counter counter culture.

Whatever, don't like them. But don't try and play god of allmusic.com or shit on somebody else because they're enjoying themselves while listening to music.

If you want to get militant about something spend times like these you just wasted pressuring the government to end the war in Iraq you retards.

Posted by Chris V | July 14, 2008 10:57 PM

@Chris V - You're probably partially insulting me but I STILL agree with your entire post...especially the last sentence!

Posted by blackhat | July 14, 2008 11:02 PM

wow incredible didnt you people see the movie?
Punk = Attitude

also to the friend of King Diamond shirt guy, right the fuck on man! I didnt mean any disrespect at all.

also I think people started to post as "anonymous" because this one aggro guy started posting here, flaming everyone? It could be the same guy as the guitar chump, I dont know.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2008 11:37 PM

I notice the word "FUN" being thrown around. I must admit, i thought they were a lot of fun too. But "FUN" doesn't make a band "GOOD" or "TALENTED". I think Matt's stage shtick is annoying, he can't sing for shit and she can barely play 2 different beats. BUT! I did enjoy they're live show. It was amusing, energetic, and enjoyable to an extent. and I liked them a HELL of a lot more than The Whip, who were really one of the worst most annoying bands i've ever seen. They took themselves way too seriously and weren't good or fun if you ask me. I'll take a band like gogol bordello or fishbone who are fun and talented musicians and song writters over a novelty act like the 2 openers.

Posted by A | July 15, 2008 1:58 AM

Matt and Kim? a PUNK ROCK band?! If there has ever been a band to carry the banner of the anti-punk rock...

I love how most hipsters hate punk but are still really quick to throw the label around. What's next, you're going to tell me that Wolfmother is a metal band?

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 2:07 AM

guitar chump still at it! ^^^

please never stop, gorgeous!


Posted by I Was There At The First Can Show | July 15, 2008 2:28 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy2QhmQAagw
2:42

matt and kim embrace you all with their punk rock arms

Posted by kate m | July 15, 2008 5:51 AM

Let's all face it, mercifully Matt & Kim will be lifegaurding at Mccarren next summer.

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 6:30 AM

someone please explain PUNK again, please.... *fillinabunchofbigfatrolleyeshere*

Posted by un:art:ig | July 15, 2008 8:07 AM

un:art:iq you were at the show, is Matt and Kim punk?

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 8:50 AM

You guys are all retarded. Now I'm off to scratch out my eyeballs.

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 8:55 AM

Guitar Chumo here. Guess what? 2:07 was not me HA HA. I thought you were so great at figuring out just which posts were mine. Could it be, oh wise and Clairvoyant one, that there's more than one person who feels the way I do? Just like you claim there's more than one person attacking me?

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 10:27 AM

ChrisV (10:57):

That's some pretty vague and rather uninformed hippie shit your selling.... (and I'm not talking about the War comment which I happen to agree with)...

You don't have to be mad and angry to be punk? You can be happy and enthusuastic? Then nothing is punk and punk is everything. You can be happy or miserable, angry or sad, mellow or excited?

Is there anything you can't bein order to be punk? Or can you be any emotion at all and still be punk? Can you have guitars?

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 10:31 AM

"And traveling around playin shows all year in basements and backyards before things started picking up instead of getting a steady paying job is pretty punk."

Could describe ANYONE who wants a music career in ANY form of musical style and is just beginning. This also applies to folk singers, violinists, and kazoo players. Are Folk singers punk too?

I don't recall hearing about any famous musician that immediately started playing Madison Square Garden at their first gig. So by your definition of punk, anyone that's ever gotten rich and famous in any form of music started out 'punk'. Silly silly comment.


Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 10:34 AM

Yeah, Matt and Kim will be remembered in 15 years because there's a stupid thread about what is punk on the this blog which essentially has nothing to do with Matt and Kim anyway. I'll bet in 15 years, someone will say "Who's Matt and Kim?" And someone on the other end of the earth will say, "That's that infamous band that generated that heated argument about punk rock and guitars on that great Brooklyn Vegan site" and the other person will undoubtably stay "oh yeah, that's legendary." and then that person will ask "What was their famous song again?" and the person will respond "I have no idea but they had a lot of posts in their thread!"


Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 10:40 AM

Anon8:50

First of all, I'd prefer to communicate with someone not 'hiding' behind an anonymous post. I'm not saying you are deliberately doing this but the bottom line is the same.

Secondly, I can't answer your question because the term PUNK has no meaning anymore. It stands for all and everything, just like HIPSTER does.

And above all things, who gives a shit what category M&K might fall under. Are you asking me if I personally enjoy their spiel? Yes I do, as long as it is kept tight and doesn't exceed 30 minutes. Do I care for their records? No I don’t. Are you asking me if they will be remembered in 15 years? Same answer as for the punk issue. Who gives a flying fuck? If one can't enjoy something for the beauty of the moment then one should check themselves. Do I give a turd about folks disliking M&K?! ha ha ha.
Do I think it is weak and an expression of microscopically tiny genitalia to diss the living crap out of someone while comfortably hiding behind an anonymous post. You can bet some serious $$$ on that and your interest return will be gigantic.

Posted by un:art:ig | July 15, 2008 10:55 AM

8:50 am= NOT guitar Chump.

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 11:05 AM

8:07:

selections from Wikipedia:

Punk rock (often referred to simply as punk) is an anti-establishment rock music genre and movement that developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United Kingdom, United States and Australia. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed the perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock. They created fast, hard-edged music, typically with short songs, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-government lyrics.

Musical and lyrical elements
Punk rock bands often emulate the bare musical structures and arrangements of 1960s garage rock.[11] Typical punk rock instrumentation includes one or two electric guitars, an electric bass, and a drum kit, along with vocals. Punk rock songs tend to be shorter than those of other popular genres

Punk rock vocals sometimes sound nasal,[13] and lyrics are often shouted instead of sung in a conventional sense, particularly in hardcore styles.[14] The vocal approach is characterized by a lack of variety; shifts in pitch, volume, or intonational style are relatively infrequent

Punk rock lyrics are typically frank and confrontational; compared to other popular music genres, they frequently comment on social and political issues.[

The classic punk rock look among male U.S. musicians harkens back to the T-shirt, motorcycle jacket, and jeans ensemble favored by American greasers of the 1950s associated with the rockabilly scene and by British rockers of the 1960s.

The characteristic stage performance style of male punk musicians does not deviate significantly from the macho postures classically associated with rock music.[

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 11:14 AM

Thanks 11:14.

Matt and Kim don't fit into a single catagory of the above defintion of punk rock.

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 11:16 AM

Well they do have short songs w/ stripped down instrumentation, but I see what you're saying, 11:16. I liked what un:art:iq had to say about the word essentially becoming meaningless, much like 'hipster'; I think that's very true.

Matt & Kim do a lot of backyard/basement shows and do their own extensive touring around the country: very DIY, which is punk.

The attitude thing isn't really there, but I always thought that was kind of bullshit anyway. I went to Ottawa for a punk festival a few weeks ago (Gaga Fest -- so awesome), evand while every band was punk rock, but not one musician had that faux Jonny Rotten attitude or delivery. Matt & Kim would have fit in well, I think.

Posted by Mark B. | July 15, 2008 11:45 AM

Fuck, apologies on the typos in that last sentence.

Posted by Mark B. | July 15, 2008 11:47 AM

Wow, 220 posts is punk rock.

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 12:11 PM

no, too long and not stripped down enough

Posted by un:art:ig | July 15, 2008 12:13 PM

Don't apologize. All of us making spelling errors on message boards. Spelling and language is objective.

Posted by Josh Brown | July 15, 2008 12:48 PM

spelling errors is SO punk,

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2008 1:34 PM

There's only one Nation of Ulysses

Posted by Svenonious | July 15, 2008 1:58 PM

Yes, Matt & Kim still suck! Irrelevant and destined to disappear! Thank G_d!

Posted by Gara-non | February 8, 2010 9:25 PM

thank you a lot's man

Posted by منتديات | February 22, 2011 5:37 AM

Very sorry to have missed this event, it looked incredible! Thanks for sharing.:)

Posted by Fleet | March 1, 2011 10:52 PM

thank you a lot's man

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