Smashing Pumpkins reveal upcoming tour plans

I am one.

$83 for the show in Indiana before service charge! What is he smoking!

this shark's been jumped long, long ago

^^ yes. yes. it. has.

and, to the point bv made > which seems a little contradictory to what Billy is saying about "anniversary" and "history", but whatever.

um, yes. it doesn't seem a little contradictory. it's a whole fucking lot contradictory. corgan, why don't you go focus on the accomplishments of your shitty solo album and zwan. the solo album had none. and the zwan record, the one accomplishment that had was your ability to put together a kick-ass group of musicians, all much finer than yourself, and still release an album which sucked. nice going.

Whattt?!?!? I'M SO EXCITED I ALMOST BROKE MY MAC BOOK AIR TYPING THIS!!!

Great. Another forum for non-Smashing Pumpkins fans to complain about how it's not the original lineup even though James and D'arcy were virtually non-existent in the writing process throughout their time in the band. Wilco and NIN have had frequent band member changes, but no one bitches. But for some reason Smashing Pumpkins is an exception. And before you start saying the Pumpkins should not have used the "reunion" term last year, you should realize that they never used the term. Only the media referred to it as a reunion.

Those ticket prices for Hammond, IN are out of this world though.

Hey Louis the Third stop stealing my jokes squid brain.

I am now breaking my mac book ai*^XZzX _

Maybe they'll play stuff off James Iha's solo CD... NOT!!

Het Matt stop stealing my sunshine salmon liver.

9:51, here's the thing though: the first NIN record said 'nine inch nails is trent reznor'. The Smashing Pumpkins always 'sold' themselves as a band, so for Corgan to come out after the fact and say it's always been just he and the drummer -- well, count me as someone who smells a bit of deceit. Rock fans are more fickle than these dudes realize, which is why I think the SPs haven't really had the warm fuzzy response to their 'non' reunion -- we got duped.

despite Corgan's later ill-advised career moves, Gish still rules your face. shit was mind-blowing in 1991 and still rocks harder than many other "rock" albums that coming out today.

god damn i miss the days of the big big rock.

Nice!

Gish and Siamese Dream are amazing. Downhill from there.

i saw Pumpkins in Ashville NC last year. they fuckin KILLED it live. can still play circles around most bands. bitch and moan about trend-of-the-week 'relevance' all you want, pumpkins do their timeless mega-rock thing very very well.

Cinema Cinema opened and were a hillariously bad opening band. their Kink/Clash look were more memorable than their fad sound.

second 10:47.

MSG would be a crazy venue for this.

They played MSG last in 1996.But that was when Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness was hot.Everyone and their grandmothers had a copy.

But dudes,keep the prices low yo.Not everyone can afford that much cheddar to see said show.

"CHEDDAR"?

Oh.

My.

GOD.

I also saw them in Asheville on two seperate nights. One night, they were pretty terrific and the other night...well there is no word other than masterbatory that fits the night. Lots of self-indulgent "music", little playing for the crowd. Both nights were three hours but while one night was exillerating the other was just painful.

The difference between them being a band or a "project" like NIN is that those nights in Asheville proved that Billy needs strong musicians/personalities to balance him and the experience out. The old stuff still sounded great, but the new stuff really suffered in his hands.

As Jack Balck asked in High Fidelity - is it in fact unfair to criticize a formerly great artist for his latter day sins, is it better to burn out or fade away?

Grog Master has gone into shock over the word 'Cheddar' lol.

Saw them in '94 at Lollapalooza and it was awful. They are just not good live.

Dear Jim @ 10:49,

You missed the memo. It is not longer socially acceptable to say a band has "killed it". Exceptions are rare. Example: If your face literally melts off, then the band may "killed it". If the face of the person next to you melts of, but your own stays fastened onto your head, then the band can only be considered to have "played very well."

These are sacrifices we must make for rock music in the new century.

yrs truly,
Some Dipshit.

I must be the only one who like MACHINA: The Machines of God. I still listen to it to this day. and Adore too.

^ yes, you are the only one. let's keep it like that. the only band killing anything these days is sonic youth and their fucked up and glorious tunings.

'Machina' kills it!

borat, you do smell a bit of deceit. and also a bit of musty socks. and moldy cantaloupe.

CHEDDAR!

Saw them in '91 with Pearl Jam and Red Hot Chili Peppers at Roseland Ballroom. Was absolutely out of control good. A friend had passed me Gish in a sophomore art class and it immediately became an all time classic. A return to that bigness is most welcome.

saw them in 1996 at msg thought they were awful live

I wonder if Iha will show up at the NY show? He's at everything else, so there's always a chance he'll wander in by mistake.

I saw them in 1996 at msg and they rocked.

It was 1996 and Billy was Billy (meaning that he did not transform himself into a crowd kibitzing showman like Eddie Vedder).

He was still a cocky s.o.b. giving the finger to the conformist idiots.It was the type of angry rock that today's preppy indie boys with their cutesy irony do not have.

Some Dipshit,
Thank you for the advice on the finer points of my rawk diction, you make a strong point.

Still, there were many moments where, a mere two feet away from my person, killing was in fact achieved by The Corgan/Chamberlain Experience:
A: a mind-bending guit solo on Starla
B. a nasty drum intro to United States
C. the delicious pop of the audience's collective eardrum during the song Aeroplane Flies High
(i think i saw Toni Iommi in the wings, shedding a tear of joy as faces melted)

can't wait to see gish tour. shit will be sicksicksick.

the post-MCIS stuff has been a bit dissappointing.
it's also depressing to consider that maybe stuff just sounded that much more epic when one was 16.

the difference between wilco changing members and SP changing them, is that jeff tweedy doesn't run his fucking mouth off about past band members like billy corgan does. that's why corgan get's as much shit as he does---he's an arrogant asshole.

The Hammond Indiana show is sold out, and rumored to be their last show ever.