Posted in music | tour dates on August 18, 2008

"I think [Radiohead have] lost the plot," Kubler said

Finn (Hold Steady) @ McCarren Pool (more by Kyle Reinford)
The Hold Steady

Hold Steady guitarist Tad Kubler has caused the Internet to go nuts with his comments on Radiohead, which he made over the weekend to BBC6 Music. "I think they've lost the plot," Kubler said when asked the now-standard-in-every-music-interview question about Thom Yorke et al's recent album In Rainbows. "What are they doing? Where are they going? What's happening? I don't get it any more. They lost me. I still appreciate what they're doing, or what they're trying to do. But I think they're trying too hard not to be Radiohead. That seems a little ridiculous to me." Kubler then went on to praise... Oasis. Ooh, burn! Yorke and his bandmates were unavailable for comment, but the Internet was more than happy to rush in and fill that particular void... [Idolator]
The tour is called the "Rock and Roll Means Well Tour". The bands are The Hold Steady and Drive By Truckers. It's a great bill, but I think there should be plenty of NYC tickets to go around since the NYC shows are at Terminal 5 (a venue both bands have played before) two nights in a row (Nov 6 & 7). That said, tickets go on presale Tuesday. All dates for both bands (with and without each other) below...

Drive by Truckers @ Terminal 5 (more by Chris La Putt)
Drive By Truckers @ Terminal 5

Drive by Truckers - 2008 Tour Dates
Sunday August 24 San Francisco, CA Outside Lands Music Festival Golden Gate Park
Sat Sep 13 Ft. Lauderdale, FL Revolution
Sun Sep 14 Gainesville, FL "THE REAL BIG DEAL" FESTIVAL Alachua County Fairgrounds
Mon Sep 15 Tuscaloosa AL BAMA THEATRE Don Chambers + GOAT
Wed Sep 17 Columbia, SC Headliners Music Hall Don Chambers + GOAT
Thu Sept 18 Charlotte, NC Amos Southend Don Chambers + GOAT
Fri Sep 19 Norfolk, VA NORVA Don Chambers + GOAT
Sat Sep 20 Charlottesville, VA CHARLOTTESVILLE PAVILION The Avett Brothers
Sun Sept 21 Baltimore, MD PIER 6 The Avett Brothers
Wed Sep 24 Houston, TX MERIDIAN
Thu Sep 25 Dallas, TX House of Blues Shooter Jennings
Fri Sep 26 Austin, TX Emo's Outside Shooter Jennings
Mon Sept 29 Baton Rouge, LA Varsity Theatre Don Chambers + GOAT
Tue Sept 30 Hattiesburg, MS Bottling Company Don Chambers + GOAT
Wed Oct 1 Oxford, MS The Lyric Don Chambers + GOAT

The Hold Steady - 2008 Tour Dates
29-Aug Philadelphia, PA Theatre of the Living Arts
29-Sep Oxford, UK Academy
30-Sep Manchester, UK Academy
1-Oct Glasgow, UK ABC
2-Oct Wolverhampton, UK Wulfrum Hall
4-Oct Bristol, UK Anson Rooms
5-Oct Nottingham, UK Rock City
6-Oct Portsmouth, UK Pyramids
8-Oct London, UK Roundhouse
9-Oct Paris, FR Nouveau Casino
11-Oct Hamburg, DE Knust
12-Oct Koln, DE Luxor
13-Oct Amsterdam, NL Melkweg
15-Oct Oslo, NO Rockerfeller
16-Oct Stockholm, SE Debaser Slussen
17-Oct Goteborg, SE Sticky Fingers
19-Oct Copenhagen, DK Vega
20-Oct Berlin, DE Columbia Club
21-Oct Vienna, AT WUK
22-Oct Munich, DE Ampere
16-Dec Den Bosch, NL Brabanthallen (w/ Counting Crows)
20-Dec Dublin, IE O2 (w/ Counting Crows)
21-Dec Belfast, UK Odyssey Arena (w/ Counting Crows)

The Hold Steady & Drive By Truckers - 2008 Tour Dates
30-Oct Louisville, KY Coyote's @ City Block
31-Oct Nashville, TN Ryman Auditorium
1-Nov Atlanta, GA Tabernacle
2-Nov Tallahassee, FL The Moon @ FSU
3-Nov Raleigh, NC Lincoln Theatre
5-Nov State College, PA The State Theatre
6-Nov New York, NY Terminal 5
7-Nov New York, NY Terminal 5
8-Nov Philadelphia, PA Electric Factory
9-Nov Boston, MA Orpheum Theatre
11-Nov Toronto, ONT Phoenix Theatre
12-Nov Pittsburgh, PA Carnegie Music Hall
13-Nov Bloomington, IN Bluebird
14-Nov Chicago, IL Riviera
15-Nov Minneapolis, MN First Avenue
16-Nov Minneapolis, MN First Avenue
19-Nov Boise, ID The Big Easy
20-Nov Seattle, WA The Showbox
21-Nov Seattle, WA The Showbox
22-Nov Portland, OR Crystal Ballroom
23-Nov San Francisco, CA The Fillmore
24-Nov San Francisco, CA The Fillmore
25-Nov Los Angeles, CA The Wiltern


In related stuff, ex-Trucker Jason Isbell recently played All Points West. So did Radiohead.



Comments (111)

I'm sure radiohead really cares about what this hack has to say about them...

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:03 PM

that is going to be one hell of a show.

Posted by GOPster | August 18, 2008 3:05 PM

dude radiohead is a good band - a great band - but their beeps and blips stuff sucks hard and I'm glad they got called on it.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:05 PM

What a joke. "What are Radiohead doing?" Are you kidding? They're making the rest of you look like fucking amateurs...again, and again, and again. What a tool. And the Truckers are terrible, incidentally. Blecch.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:06 PM

yo he totally called them on it. word. game over. ha. really though, do people like the hold stead? i mean the name alone. couldn't they have found a talking heads song to use?

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:06 PM

publicity stunt

Posted by PR | August 18, 2008 3:09 PM

everything after OK Computer has sucked and everyone knows it. good call by the hold steady guy.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:09 PM

"Rock and Roll Means Well (Even Though We Suck) Tour"

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:11 PM

"everything after OK Computer has sucked and everyone knows it. good call by the hold steady guy."

Check your sources, that information is very incorrect.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:12 PM

In the last decade Radiohead has proven again and again that they are in fact the greatest band on the planet.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:13 PM

Radiohead didn't get called on anything, someone just needs to sell tickets.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:13 PM

BV can't just announce the tour of these two bands. The post has to include some inflammatory gossip that gets the fucktards to post 100 comments about pro and con on Radiohead.

Oh yeah, this tour was news this morning on other sites. Now its old news.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:14 PM

Guess he hasn't actually heard the lack of "bleeps and blips" on "In Rainbows," an albums whose worst track is better than Hold Steady's best track by, oh, about ten million miles.

Posted by Rajah of Rehab | August 18, 2008 3:14 PM

"everything after OK Computer has sucked and everyone knows it. good call by the hold steady guy."

I have seen some pretty bad, ignorant, incorrect comments on here, but this is one of the worst.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:15 PM

honestly, everything after Pablo Honey has just been awful...

Posted by Moron | August 18, 2008 3:18 PM

Radiohead play the equivalent of modern day disco, while the Hold Steady simply play Rock and Roll.

And, last I checked, 15 step was full of blips. (i.e. the fake drums).

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:20 PM

Ahh, it's sort of too bad, because what we're seeing is really the end of The Hold Steady's few years of success. No one really wants to talk about it, but the last record was a total bore. They have somehow gotten so much cred in the past few years that the community was kind enough to pretend it didn't really come out or that it wasn't that bad... but now this.

Personally I could care less what this dude thinks about Radiohead (although he does sound like an idiot). The problem is that it makes the band look like they are totally serious about the generic, mindless, riff rock that support's Finn's vocals. On some level I always thought of their sound as intentionally ironic. The notion that, in fact, they really mean it is kind of disturbing.

I mean really, Oasis?

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:20 PM

um, yeah, so the hold steady now & always have licked balls.

he should be bitch slapped for even uttering radiohead's name.

[& end scene]

Posted by whipping boy | August 18, 2008 3:23 PM

Thomy York is an idiotech.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:24 PM

FINALLY. One musician decides to speak what millions of us have thought since The bends. Radiohead are a bunch of humorless, emotionless musicians who have made a career of whining over Aphex Twin beats and odd sounds.
I've always liked this Hold Steady guy and I like him even more now.

Anybody else wanna throw down on this? I highly suspect Radiohead (and Pitchfork) are what's killing rock right now.

C'mon Radiohead haters - UNITE!!!

Posted by Kelly | August 18, 2008 3:27 PM

here's a radiohead song

thom: whaaaaaooooooo oooohhh nnneeeennggg wwaaahooooh

beep beep beep blipp

cue "atmospheric" guitar

thom: woooooaaaaahhhhh

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:28 PM

this kubler guy is ridiculous. he plays stupid rock guitar solos a la peter frampton, and ends up sounding as half as interesting. and this schlock is so full of himself that he pulls out a double-neck gibson SG in concert for no reason whatsoever except to look "vintage" and "iconic". jimmie page, he is not.

where is radiohead going? where is the hold steady going? oh, yeah, as their name states so clearly (everything is obvious with this band): holding on to the past--oh, so steady. they cling to the good ol' fashion american rock n' roll like the bush administration holds steady to the war in iraq.

kubler is the dick cheney of rock n' roll (and yes, i'm suggesting that craig is dubya in this unholy alliance). the hold steady are not a progressive, forward-looking band. as middle-aged men, they milk adolescent fodder for cheap thrills: one more rousing ovation for nostalgia. one is bound to find more inspirational anecdotes in a sunday morning sermon than with these saturday night chumps. if "indie rock" is a spirit and an ethos, these guys are selling bathos by the bucket full.

this band is a disgrace.

Posted by fakebook | August 18, 2008 3:29 PM

This will be a a great show.

But as far as Radiohead: Has dude even seen them live? They're not just getting up there and pressing play...

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:29 PM

I'm sorry your music doesn't appeal to the masses, Tad.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:30 PM

radiohead don't resemble aphex twin in the slightest.

and "emotionless" is just absurd...

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:30 PM

i like when someone suggested on another blog that the hold steady is the american art brut or maybe art brut is the british hold steady...

Posted by red | August 18, 2008 3:34 PM

Wow. Radiohead must be really good to draw some shit from THS AND Silver Jews in the same day. Lovely. and i like all three bands for vastly different reasons, and like them all within certain contexts. BTW, i think im being way too rational for a BV post. i genuinly cant figure out if there are this many idiots in brooklyn or if everyone on here is just being "ironic" or whatever. you guys slay me.

Posted by josh | August 18, 2008 3:34 PM

Kinda what you expect someone who makes dinosaur rock to say.

I think I remember Kid Rock saying something similar.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:38 PM

the hold steady is a band that sees music as an occupation and a means of making money.. and I'd say they are good at making a sound that sells.. but only to a following that is probably less than a twentieth of the size of radiohead's

and all you hipsters that give higher value to bands that have smaller followings and therefore might feel a bit more sincere need to realize that as musicians, in its most institutional and methodical definition, radiohead's members are far more advanced than hold steady's

you also are leading ironic lives whos egoistic interests contradict the interests they attempt to broadcast

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:40 PM

i'm not sure how In Rainbows doesn't sound like Radiohead? Sounds like Radiohead to me, at least. That Silver Jews interview is awesome, even if the shot taken at Radiohead is a bit misguided.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:41 PM

I used to hang out in a bar on AVE A in the village this idiot was always in. All he would talk about was how huge his band was going to be and how great his guitar playing was. We all assumed his band was good etc, until we heard some of the songs. Obviously, someone who can't figure out a way to put more than 3 chords together has nothing better to say or is just bored. This guy was such a dick we just laughed at him. Why BV would put anything he says on here is beyond me. Why would anyone get upset at this guy's opinion? Hold Steady? are they even remotely good? I think not.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:43 PM

slay you? like, you fucked by hipsters?

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:44 PM

Today's interview with David Berman of the Silver Jews(Pitchfork) says roughly the same thing.

"You can go through the whole new Radiohead album and try and tell me what they're saying, and all you'll get over and over again is things are miserable, don't try, things suck. And it's all gray. There's nothing there. Never before has there been a "greatest band in the world" who had so little to say about anything. The music-listening world has become such an aficionados world. People want to react to a poem or a painting, but they're like "I'm not qualified. I'm not educated." But they treat their personal preferences for music as if they weren't anything but this complete monolithic subjectivity, and we talk to each other in that way: "They suck, and they're the worlds greatest band."

Posted by Anon | August 18, 2008 3:44 PM


Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:44 PM

it gets you internet attention if you say something negative about radiohead. any attention is good attention. that's ok with me, it keeps sluts putting out.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:46 PM

Please tell me The Drive-By Truckers will go on before The Hold Steady.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:47 PM

"I'm sorry your music doesn't appeal to the masses, Tad."

Salt Lick rocked hard though.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:48 PM

@3:43 - Right on.

I don't like Radiohead's last couple albums much, but they've at least made good music in the past. Can anyone name one half decent Hold Steady song that doesn't just sound like some drunken idiot babbling to himself over boring, poorly played guitar riffs? How these guys ever got popular still confuses me.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:49 PM

Honestly, I don't really care for either band. Though, my boyfriend did get me to listen to In Rainbows and it probably was the most enjoyable listening experience I've had with Radiohead yet.

I've been listening to the new Hold Steady record and though the tunes can be catchy, I keep hearing ersatz Springsteen from time to time and that infringes on my impression. My attention is now begining to wane.

I guess its a case of taste: Roots/Pub Rock versus Art Rock? Do you want Can or John Mellencamp?

It seems that the Hold Steady guitarist laments that Radiohead are trying different sounds or stlyes. Isn't that what an artist supposed to do?

Posted by Blair | August 18, 2008 3:49 PM

No, i meant Slay, as in kill me, as in, you guys make me laugh really hard. But i did some intertubes rummaging and couldnt find that usage anywhere else. guess its kinda "my thing" oh well. sorry for the miscommunication.

Posted by josh | August 18, 2008 3:50 PM

Seriously, who doesn't love them some 'head?

Posted by greg | August 18, 2008 3:50 PM

this is the tour of the fall. i love both of these bands but radiohead is still the best band on the planet. period.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:51 PM

I'm waiting for Radiohead members' critique of the Hold Steady records... that would be interesting!

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:55 PM

josh: whatever, bro. hope you get some pussy soon.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 3:58 PM

the silver jews are boring. perhaps more so than the hold steady. i went to see the silver jews, and i haven't listened to them since.
i went to see radiohead, and i've been to see them many times since, and i listen to them every week and it never gets old. and they have more to say than just about any band around. oh, and their albums post-ok computer have consistently set the bar higher. so, it's hard to be more wrong. but i understand why they say what they say. if you get hits on your myspace page, more people come out for the show and buy the album, right?> who cares if your music sucks, as long as you get attention.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:00 PM

The humor here for me is that Radiohead likely do not know one song by either the Hold Steady or DBT, as insignificant as they both are. Truly, it is a perfect tour pairing. Two terrible bands with a rabid following who are completely illogical in their defense of each.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:06 PM

Finally got around to listening to the latest Nick Cave disc. Now I know where the Hold Steady swiped their sound from. Or is that vice versa?

Posted by drewo | August 18, 2008 4:13 PM

david berman packs more personality, intelligence, insight and wit into one line than radiohead have managed to scrounge during their entire career.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:14 PM

This dude is a total Idiot. I mean, Oasis? They ssssuuuuuuuuck!!!

And as for Radiohead, you spend $100 for APW, shlepp all the way there, stand in line for hours, pay $9 a beer and still feel incredible after you get home at 3am.

Many musicians would like to have such a sound band, but not everyone in this world is as talented and visionary as the guys of Radiohead.

Sorry for you, hold steady sucker!

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:16 PM

So very true. Cut the shit Radiohead. I don't think Radiohead even understands what they are trying to accomplish anymore.

The Hold Steady is amazing.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:17 PM

the response just came down from the Radiohead camp... "beep beep beep blip boop boop beep"

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:17 PM

radiohead is a cerebral band. sometimes selfishly so. understandable that it might be over some folks heads (I'm looking at you Tad) or not the taste of others, but to refer to their music as having nothing to say is clearly an attempt to attract some attention...and it worked apparently.
I don't hold that against the hold steady or the silver jews (it is a business and they are trying to be successful)...but in reality neither groups' contributions to the 'world of music' are worth two shits when compared to the material that radiohead has created. that, and to suggest that sounding different or not sounding like radiohead (although In Rainbows seems pretty in line with what I expected from them) is somehow wrong is just plain asinine.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:17 PM

let's settle this the old fashioned way: everyone meet in union square at midnight. Radiohead supporters wear orange, The Hold Steady fans wear blue and Silver Jews fans wear red. No weapons, just fists.

Posted by butternuts | August 18, 2008 4:20 PM

"The most charitable description of The Hold Steady would be 'a glorified bar band with a tone-deaf asshole shouting over the top."

Matthew Perpetua -- guest blogger of the Idolator

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:21 PM

FOR THE RECORD: What Dave Berman of Silver Jews said about Radiohead was in the context of a much larger, profound and resonant conversation. He certainly is not trying to drum up controversy to drum up album sales or become successful. To imply that he is betrays only ignorance. So, STFU

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:26 PM

Tad Kubler

wow what a moron.

he wishes he could write a song half as good as anything on in rainbows.

total publicity stunt. He just wants people to listen to his crappy overrated whiny band.

this is more a cry for help than an insult to Radiohead

Posted by julian | August 18, 2008 4:26 PM

radiohead = pearl jam for hipsters

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:28 PM

right...cause dave berman would hate to have the number of fans that radiohead has.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:33 PM

"betrays only ignorance" = priceless

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:35 PM

Whoa, wait wait wait, hold on just one cotton pickin' minute... where is the T5 hate?

Posted by dave | August 18, 2008 4:36 PM

hold steady suck. radiohead sucks too, except for the guitar in Creep. that's the truth.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:36 PM

much of what berman says about radiohead in that pitchfork interview is confused. i'm not sure what his position is, exactly. on one hand, he's talking about the music but, on the other hand, he's also addressing their reception by the public.

yet he does strike a worthy critique. he's not dissing radiohead like the hold steady dude but just raising a point that radiohead as the so-called greatest band in the world now doesn't occupy the same aesthetic and economic terrain of former occupants to the title.

as a huge radiohead fan, i don't have a problem with berman's remarks, although i'd like to press him on what he means by 'monolithic subjectivity' and what this has to do with radiohead or their fans. but he's right about one thing: radiohead's music doesn't necessary aim to say anything specific. but i like the slipperiness of their aesthetic: the words don't necessary signify anything specific but evokes impressionistic images and emotions, and the music darts and nods at other possibilities.

earlier in the interview, berman asks that radiohead should offer up more than just a feeling. but would we hold the same criterion for the music of shostakovich? or do dismiss the paintings of francis bacon because all they do is show that things are miserable and wretched?

in their own way, members of radiohead have spoken up about the world not as artists but as concerned citizens and fathers: the hypocrisy of the blair govt, the crippling power of the G8 nations, global warming and human trafficking, to name a few. once you are told that you're the greatest, it's lose-lose all the way. radiohead, to their credit, have occupied the burden with grace, dignity, and, most importantly, they've continued to make good art.

maybe growing up is realizing that art doesn't change the world; citizens taking action, does.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:38 PM

anon 4:35

is "betrays only ignorance" grammatically incorrect? please tell me what i wanted to write. seriously.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:38 PM

even flow!!!!

wow, you're an idiot

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:38 PM

Well, every band sucks compared to the steady. Dude didn't have to say it though.

Posted by Raoul Bosco | August 18, 2008 4:46 PM

All these guys do is pretend to be a rock band so that they can fuck 14 year old girls.

Let them stick to their over-intellectualized power chord bullshit and leave the transcendent music that actually moves people beyond superficial hipster posturing to Radiohead.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:47 PM

Worshipping Radiohead is the surest sign someone doesn't listen to enough music.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 4:49 PM

Anyone who doesn't understand that Radiohead is the greatest band of the last decade just doesn't get it. Unfortunate for them, and maybe one day they will understand. But some of the comments, like the one above, are just ridiculously stupid, and I can't imagine these people having good taste in music anyway.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 5:04 PM

"neither groups' contributions to the 'world of music' are worth two shits when compared to the material that radiohead has created."

May be true about the HS (don't know, b/c i've never listened to them much). But if you're saying that about the Silver Jews, then well, sir, you're nothing but an idiot.

As for 4:38's Shostakovich/F. Bacon comparison: Nice point, but (drawing on some of the other things Berman says in that interview), I think Berman's point in saying that Radiohead delivers a very limited 'everything sucks' message/feeing, is that they do so in a very one-dimentional and cliched way. There's nothing surprising, or complex, or ambivalent about the emotions they deliver.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 5:08 PM

at this point, it's not the band that sucks - it's the genre.

please, sweet jesus, no more. no more rawk.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 5:09 PM

what would a betrayal of ignorance be?
did you mean conveys only ignorance, or perhaps displays only ignorance, or maybe demonstrates only ignorance?

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 5:09 PM

As much as I love Berman, there is definitely some record sales-penis envy there. He sounds like that Sky News anchorwoman on Meeting People is Easy who hears "No Surprises" and thinks it's miserable. Radiohead always has redeeming and relevant messages in their music. If it was all gloom and doom they wouldn't get thousands of people, from indie nerds to frat bros, to come to their shows.

I *like* Silver Jews, and to an extent, The Hold Steady, but I could never fall in love with them as I could Radiohead. Yeah, people get verbose and highfalutin when talking about Radiohead, but it's because they're objectively just that much better than other bands. If anything, Berman's purposely obtuse wordplay is a lot more "about nothing" to me than Radiohead's clear and poignant messages. Sorry dude. Your poetry tour will never headline MSG.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 5:14 PM

that comment was directed primarily towards the hold steady.
I like the silver jews, I just don't think they've had nearly as significant of an impact as radiohead have had.
one man's opinion...

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 5:17 PM

Anon 5:08

I was using "betray" in the following sense: to unintentionally reveal

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 5:29 PM

I think we can all agree that Vampire Weekend is the best band of all time, far superior to any of the bands being discussed here. Can I get an AMEN!!

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 5:34 PM

Anyone who thinks Radiohead has sucked since OK Computer is complete moron. "wahhh wahhh its not rock n roll if it has drum machines and bleeps and bloops.... waahh my vag is bleeding... wahhhh'
Electronic music is far more complex and interesting than rock. Thom knows this and has pushed his band in amazing, new, innovative directions, AND still fucking kick the shit out of every other band live. fuckin rock purists are such douches. I

The Hold Steady are a good band, and I really liked them live. But he's a douche for saying that, and I'm definitely skeptical of his intentions.

Posted by Jeff | August 18, 2008 5:35 PM


the sentiment 'everything sucks' has yet to be explored fully (and i wish that more artists would explore this dimension of our collective existence). how is radiohead's handling of this feeling any more cliched than the pleading and moaning of charlie patton's blues, for instance? if you believe in the music of charlie patton, as i do, i think that there's much common thread there. for instance, the great blues tradition celebrates helplessness and deep anxiety, and manages to end up right--somehow.

i'm sympathetic to berman's frustration at the impassivity in our world, which seems to be his big gripe, but i'm not sure that criticizing radiohead is all that much on point or productive. berman seems to want everything: the passionate erudition and the heroes of his youth, for music to matter, for the redemption of the world. these are all noble goals but his insistence at wanting a deeper 'meaning' is just semantics. berman praises the george jones song as an achievement in songwriting (a good one, at that) but he doesn't grant substance to songs like 'motion picture soundtrack' or 'house of cards'?

anyhoo, i'm looking forward to the new silver jews album. i hope that he delivers the goods.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 5:38 PM

Hahaha, 5:35.

Does Big Daddy Drew post here now?

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 5:38 PM

David Berman of the Silver Jews:

what the fuck did the Beatles ever have to say that was so important? "oh she left me, on no she was the perfect girl?" not really revolutionizing ideas huh? But it didn't matter because the music they produced was beautiful and comforting, and you are an idiot.

-also I caught on the dilemma of comparing Radiohead to the Beatles and I'm not, just using the Beatles as an example. Substitute any pop or for the most part, "rock" band in for their name and it will be true... except for radiohead, you cunt.

Posted by julian | August 18, 2008 5:46 PM


Posted by butternuts | August 18, 2008 5:57 PM

Is that KSK as in Kissing Suzy Kolber, Kommando Spezialkräfte (German Special Forces), Kappa Sigma Kappa, or the Kevin and Sean Kumar band?

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 6:01 PM

"What are they doing? Where are they going? What's happening? I don't get it any more."

Yes, Tad, it's a little more difficult to get than album after album of songs built around simple power chord progressions with an organ flourish thrown in for good measure. Get back in touch with us when you've caught up to the rest of the world and figured out that music can be many, many things beyond guitar-based rock.

Posted by anonymous | August 18, 2008 6:01 PM

lol noone cares about the hold steady though. that's why the pool wasn't even half full for their mediocre set.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 6:09 PM

Yes, the persistent thunderstorms all morning and early afternoon had nothing to do with the small crowd at the Pool for The Hold Steady.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 6:19 PM

wait a sec The Hold Steady and DBT are touring together? holy shit my frat is gonna love this.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 6:33 PM

how is in rainbows a "the world sucks" album? it has love songs and what not. the album even ends with this line:

Because I know today has been the most perfect day I've ever seen.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 6:51 PM



Radiohead are a band of men with an extraordinary gift for writing intense, moving songs full of interesting textures and sophisticated rhythms, melodies and harmonies. They have written six consecutive classic albums, each different from the last, and a number of iconic songs, a few of which can be considered something akin to contemporary standards.

The most charitable description of The Hold Steady would be “a glorified bar band with a tone-deaf asshole shouting over the top.” Each of their albums are virtually identical, right on down to the same tired barre chords and the mind-numbingly narrow subject matter of the lyrics. There is not even the tiniest glimmer of imagination in their music, only the dull chug of faux-blue collar “populism” contrasted with the desperate efforts of a terribly geeky man to seem cool and macho. In place of memorable songs, they’ve got a lot of generic power chords and snarky lyrics that will only make you seem like a tool if quote them.

So yes, it’s easy to see why the latter would reject the former. The Hold Steady are essentially just Nick Hornby as a rock band, yeah?

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 6:55 PM

radiohead will become "classic" music--it has and will withstand the test of time

hold steady are a good live rock band, however i dont think their music will be remembered in 10 years (but probably 5)

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 7:00 PM

88 comments? Imagine how many there would have been if he didn't talk shit how about radiohead...

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 7:31 PM

Wow, lot of ignorant people on BV these days it seems. Here's a quote that a good chunk of you morons seemed to miss: "I still appreciate what they're doing, or what they're trying to do."
Not once did Kubler say they suck, he just said he doesn't get them anymore. Now morons, with that out of the way, let it be known that Radiohead IS the most over-rated band on earth. Think of them as U2 for a slightly nerdier set of people. In the end, just cause Thom takes himself seriously doesn't mean the rest of us do. They're entertainment at the end of the day, no different then any other band. Some people here think they're the shit, others here think they're well, shit. So there. Next...

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 9:49 PM

oh my god. this is ridiculous. nowhere did he say "radiohead sucks" - just that he doesn't like their latest stuff. every band in the "rock" genre doesn't like every single thing other bands in that genre produce. jesus fucking christ.

by the way, why is that quote posted under a picture of craig?

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 9:59 PM


Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 10:18 PM

6:19, do think back to MGMT playing the pool. it was raining on people on line and the pool was still filled to capacity with hundreds waiting outside. rain is irrelevant where a free show is concerned.

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 10:24 PM

yeah 6:19 owned now go listen to the hold steady and jerk it

Posted by Anonymous | August 18, 2008 11:43 PM

the hold steady? another completely irrelevant brooklyn band. what is radiohead doing? making music on a level that the 'old steady' guitarist can only dream about creating. he/they just don't have the skills, creativity or intelligence.

aside from The National, all brooklyn bands can hang it up.

Posted by Anonymous | August 19, 2008 8:03 AM

^ right, cause your band automatically sucks if you reside in brooklyn.

and anon're a tool. go listen to dan deacon.

Posted by Anonymous | August 19, 2008 9:49 AM

the hold steady is, hands down the lamest thing to come out in years

Posted by Anonymous | August 19, 2008 10:08 AM

the hold steady still sucks. the world at large definitely tries way too hard to smoke thom & co's collective pole...that's a fact...

but the bottom line is that the hold steady sucks. will somebody shut these fools up? barrock for light beer drinkers. go home.

Posted by Anonymous | August 19, 2008 11:09 AM

I admire what Radiohead did with the marketing of In Rainbows, but I have never been a fan of the band. I'm happy to concede that their brilliance is lost on me and go listen to some SLAYER.

Posted by Anonymous | August 19, 2008 12:38 PM

Wait, let me get this straight. The guitarist from a band that 90% of the world has never heard of is talking trash about the biggest, best, most influential band on earth?

The Hold Steady must be very popular with the hipsters. They should play a 3 month residency at The Silent Barn.

Posted by Anonymous | August 19, 2008 1:29 PM

Really, isn't it all about what are brain tells our ears what we like? Personally I have a couple of Radiohead cds, just to make sure I'm not missing anything...... Rarely listen to them tho'....
Should you take away my DBT or Hold Steady albums I would be most upset!!!!
Music is full of all types of variation, not rubbish. To be enjoyed not argued over. Nobody will ever win one of those arguments, just listen to what you like! And by the way, why isn't Chuck Prophet the internationally acclaimed megastar he should be????????.............

Posted by Tim | August 19, 2008 2:08 PM

I agree that Radiohead is the world's most influential band. This partially explains why we're stuck with so much soulless, pretentious, annoying suck.

Posted by Paranoid Android | August 19, 2008 2:49 PM

Chuck Prophet is a badass.

Posted by Anonymous | August 19, 2008 7:10 PM


and with that statement you prove that you are part of the soulless, pretentious, annoying group of people that frequent New York City.

Still, Radiohead >>> The Hold Steady (though I like both)

Posted by Anonymous | August 19, 2008 7:20 PM

Chuck Prophet is a king and truly blows the thinning dicks off of Radiohead. Now we have someone interesting to talk about here, finally.

Posted by nigel mogg | August 20, 2008 2:27 AM

the hold steady play rock and roll for 12 year old girls

Posted by Anonymous | August 20, 2008 8:41 AM

Prophet puts on an amazing show. Brilliant Psychedelic Country (-ish) rock that's also amazing lyrically. Motherfucker is also all over the new Escovedo record.

All you snarky dixxx best recognize!

Posted by Anonymous | August 20, 2008 9:14 AM

Who the hell is Tad Kubler?

Posted by Thom Yorke | August 20, 2008 11:38 AM

"the hold steady play rock and roll for 12 year old girls"

Right, because tales of drug and sex fuelled hedonism are perfectly packaged for an audience of 12 year old girls.

I hate these arguments. I also hate the sanctimonious tossers who believe they hold the barometer of what is good music. What substance does any claim about how great Radiohead are have? None at all. They're just a band, and just because they're one of the biggest bands in the world gives them no more credibility then the Spice Girls.

Moral of the story? If you like Radiohead, listen to Radiohead. If you like the Hold Steady, listen to the Hold Steady. Kubler only expressed an opinion and it means nothing, no matter how moronic it was.

Last point, it irks me how prevalent the hipster slur has become on the internet, especially when a lot of the people who use it against people are probably hipster's themselves, whatever that means.

Irony? A Radiohead fans, who celebrates their most esoteric releases, labeling a Hold Steady fan who loves classic rock (think Bruce Springsteen), a 'hipster'. Wtf?

Posted by Tonny | August 22, 2008 4:18 AM

^^^ eh... but the hold steady do suck. seriously... have you heard them? borderline unlistenable.

Posted by wembly | August 22, 2008 6:28 AM

why'd they just switch the headline dates?

Posted by Anonymous | August 22, 2008 10:09 AM

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