Posted in music on September 26, 2008

Built to Spill @ ATP NY (photo by Abbey Braden for atp 2008)
Built to Spill

...played Terminal 5 last night, will again tonight.

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Comments (96)

amazing amazing show from start to finish

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 2:48 AM

built to spill is so boring and pretentious

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 3:37 AM

tickets say 6:30 start time for tonight - is that the door opening time or when the first band starts?

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 7:58 AM

6:30 doors, 7:30 show.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 8:02 AM

dino went on at 830-ish, BTS around 10.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 8:37 AM

I think pretentious is just about the worst adjective to ever describe built to spill. Do yourself a favor 3:37 & buy yourself a dictionary.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 9:23 AM

I wonder what 3:37 listens to? Show was unreal last night.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 9:31 AM

3:37 listens to Radiohead!

Posted by 3:37 | September 26, 2008 9:38 AM

"built to spill is so boring and pretentious"

Boring??

To some people....yes. I guess those people only like songs that last 3 minutes and have a lifespan of two weeks. Perhaps calling them "boring" is a good example of your brain capacity and depth of character.

Prententious??

That's just ridiculous. They are clearly insanely talented musicians and songwriters who have stood the test of time (and still do judging by their tour schedules these past few years).

I dont think you know what this word means.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretentious

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:03 AM

nothing pretentious abour doug marsch and crew. that is ridiculous.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:09 AM

I think Dinosaur Jr broke my ears.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:09 AM

I dont think Radiohead is boring and pretentious.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:11 AM

built to spill is boring and predictable. yawn.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:15 AM

"built to spill is boring and predictable." unlike Radiohead!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:19 AM

Built to Spill=Modest Mouse rip off!

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:24 AM

built to spill started before modest mouse.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:31 AM

Last night was tremendous. Besides Built to Spill being amazing (as usual) both Dinosaur Jr. and Meat Puppets played longer sets than I anticipated.

On top of that some guy in front of me was dancing as if he was seeing 50 Cent perform. It was hilarious.

Posted by mp77 | September 26, 2008 10:35 AM

yeah... modest mouse is commonly referred to as a BTS ripoff, although I don't think they really sounds very similar.

Dinosaur Jr was crazy loud last night! My ears are still ringing. Maybe tonight I shouldn't stand so close to his stacks.

Posted by wembly | September 26, 2008 10:41 AM

How long did the Meat Puppets play? Was the set mostly made up of songs from II? Did they play any Up On The Sun material?

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:42 AM

Built to Spill totally ripped off a band that didn't exist. Modest Mouse started in 1993, Built to Spill in 1992.

With a good 7-year head start of finding a sound (Treepeople & The Halo Benders, ), creating BTS, Doug then decided to rip off an angry little teenage kid named Isaac.

Seriously...

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:43 AM

Meat Puppets played Plateau, Oh Me (I think it was Oh Me) & did a kind of crappy hard-rock version of Lake of Fire. They also played Up on the Sun and Lookin' at the Rain. The rest of it I didn't know.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:47 AM

10:43. You are ignorant and you embarrass yourself.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 10:51 AM

10:42 - I don't know the Meat Puppets catalog well enough to tell you what they played and off what albums. Their set was about 45 minutes

Posted by mp77 | September 26, 2008 10:56 AM

Hipster. Dan Deacon. What time does Daft Punk go on. Hate. Hate. Hate.

Posted by Regular reader | September 26, 2008 11:02 AM

regular readers a douche bag. don't take the bait. wink wink>

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 11:08 AM

simply put..

Puppets ROCKED
Dino ROCKED even harder
BTS was just simply amazing. I was pretty much mesmerized through their whole set. Velvet Waltz was one of the most breathtaking songs I've ever heard live. After finally seeing them, I have no idea how any1 can call BTS boring live.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 11:13 AM

INCOMING MESSAGE STOP RADIOHEAD IS ALL RADIOHEAD IS THE BEST STOP BEEP BEEP BEEP BOOP BLIP BLIP BOOP BEEP

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 11:20 AM

Meat Puppets also played Severed Godess Hand and My Baby's Gone

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 11:39 AM

loved the meat puppets and dinosaur jr. built to spill is obviously a great band but just not my cup of tea. their sound was tight and professional- just don't dig their songs.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 11:51 AM

Aw man, Radiohead played, I was looking forward to tonight...

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 11:54 AM

enough with all this radiohead crap. they're a good band, but they're not the only good band. if that's all you listen to, i'm sorry you're missing out.

the meat puppets are fucking awesome, and their sound is the backbone of this entire show.

if you went last night or are attending tonight, your ears thank you. that's actually what that ringing sound is.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 11:57 AM

dino went on at 8:39, played until 9:39. bts went on at 10:06 and played til 11:52.

also what a great show.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 12:09 PM

so meat puppets played first at 730? I assumed theyd be the second to go on

Posted by sam | September 26, 2008 12:26 PM

sam - you mean MPs second, after BTS, and Dino the headliners right? That's how it would make sense to me...

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 12:59 PM

Radiohead is all you need.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 1:14 PM

Dino playing second is perfect. It's not like they routinely play 2 hour headlining sets. Give them an hour then let BTS do their thing.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 1:18 PM

does anyone know dino's set list?

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 1:21 PM

11:20am, robots are awesome! More, please!

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 1:39 PM

Best. Show. Ever. I wish I had tickets for tonight as well, but perhaps my ears do not. Follow link for BTS pics.

Posted by Liz | September 26, 2008 1:40 PM

Saw the show last night. Missed the Meat Puppets. BTS were excellent, but Dinosaur Jr absolutely freaking ruled!

I was so blown away by them that I just bought a ticket for tonight's show from someone through craigslist.

I used to love Dinosaur back in the day, but I didn't expect much from them. Boy was I wrong. I was literally in tears during a couple of Mascis's solos.

Posted by Paul E | September 26, 2008 2:25 PM

i saw j mascis with the fog at knitting 2 weeks back...i too expected little from him despite my massive dinosaur jr love back when i was 12-15. he totally blew me away...looking forward to tonight.

did they play raisins?

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 2:40 PM

I don't think they played "Raisins"...but I could be wrong.

Posted by Paul E | September 26, 2008 3:05 PM

Are people seriously saying that either BTS or Modest Mouse sound like each other? Because they don't. The only thing they have in common is rough geographical proximity and the awesome tours they've done together.

Looking forward to the show tonight. Almost too much goodness to stay at T5 that long.

Posted by anon | September 26, 2008 3:57 PM

Right, plus it's Modest Mouse who ripped off Wolf Parade. Right? No?

Don't even get me started on 764-Hero.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 4:02 PM

Dave Dreiwitz from Ween also showed up on bass during the closing jam. awesome!

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 4:20 PM

Martsch has cited Dinosaur Jr.'s J Mascis' style of heavy, catchy guitar hooks as an influence on what has come to be Built to Spill's call sign. The band has also cited Neil Young, Pavement and Camper Van Beethoven as influences. Built to Spill has been cited as an important influence for fellow rockers The Ataris, Modest Mouse, The Strokes, and Death Cab for Cutie; Isaac Brock and Ben Gibbard have both cited Built to Spill and Treepeople as major influences, and all three bands have had a lengthy association with the indie rock movement known as the Northwest sound.
-WIkipedia

Posted by Paul E | September 26, 2008 4:40 PM

Thanks to all the so called pioneers on here telling us how amazing DIno Jr is in concert. Dummies, welcome to what everyone else knows. It is so great that you have finally seen them in concert

Terminal 5 as usual sounded like shit.

All 3 bands were better at ATP much like My Bloody Valentine.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 5:04 PM

What a douche.

Posted by Paul E | September 26, 2008 5:08 PM

I'm from Boise. I used to hang out at Neurolux. I can't wait for tonight. No, I am not Napoleon Dynamite.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 5:53 PM

BTS stole their sound from Modest Mouse who stole it from 764-Hero who stole it from Deathcab for Cutie who pioneered the "I wanna sing like Neil Young but Im not good" sound. The Flaming Lips are catching up now...

Posted by Peggy | September 26, 2008 5:54 PM

I heard that Neil Young stole it from Death Cab

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 6:03 PM

dino had the best setlist ever.
the encore of BTS show was even better than the "perfect from now on" playing: they did "going againt yr mind" (yes!) car
(yes!!) and that awesome song from the "halo benders" record for like half an hour (yes!!!)

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2008 9:55 PM

meat puppets were pretty horrible and i like their old albums. dinosaur jr were just fantastic...and yes, they played raisins!

built to spill...i dunno...ive seen them before and wasnt blown away by any means and while i love perfect from now on, something seemed a little missing...the band wasnt powerful...i think the drummer could have been a bit more powerful.

that said, most of the tracks sounded great...particularly hurt a fly and kicked it in the sun. doug took way too long to fix his strap...

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 12:04 AM

What did BTS do after 'Perfect' on the second night?

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 12:59 AM

BTS did The Plan, Center of the Universe, and Carry the Zero after 'Perfect' tonight. Which led me to hope that they would just continue and play all of Keep It Like a Secret, but my feet were thankful that they didn't as it was a long 5 hours of amazing concert before that

Dinosaur Jr. made the night

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 1:36 AM

Anon 136 is right- BTS was awesome, but holy shit Dinosaur Jr was ferocious.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 1:52 AM

Built to Spill was fucking amazing, people started freaking out every time they started an encore song. Dinosaur Jr. were great as well, but I didn't much care for Meat Puppets.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 8:50 AM

Dinosaur was, indeed awesome. Only caught the last half or so of Meat Puppets and, man, disappointing. I loved II back in the day but never cared for most of the rest of their stuff, but was still looking forward to seeing them... but, wow. They just seemed flat. Felt like I was watching a mediocre MP tribute band.

Posted by cj | September 27, 2008 12:39 PM

dinosaurs setlist for last night?

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 1:49 PM

Saw the show again last night. This time I saw all 3 bands. Sadly, Meat Puppets were disappointing. Not sure what's happened to them, but they were a pale imitation of the band I saw 20 years ago.

DInosaur Jr., again, kicked holy freaking ass. As someone else said, they were "ferocious".

BTS were very good, but I just don't think they're powerful enough to follow the raging beast that is Dinosaur Jr.

F-ck Eric Clapton. J. Mascis is God.

Posted by Paul E. | September 27, 2008 1:56 PM

Among the songs Dinosaur Jr. played: No Bones, Repulsion, Raisins, Been There All The Time, Feel The Pain, Freak Scene, Just Like Heaven.

It was loud as fuck and awesome as ever.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 2:36 PM

Setlist for Dino Jr last night?

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 2:37 PM

things confirmed at last nights show:

1) j mascis is a deadly guitarist

2) terminal 5 is only tolerable when the band(s) playing are able to overcome all the negatives of that venue

3) i hate 95% of the people who go to shows these days, especially nyu kids.

4) doug martsch does not have a guitar tech. and he only has a beard to keep people from seeing him smile, on the off chance he actually cracks one.

5) will arnett has good taste in music

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 3:18 PM

I'm not sure why so many people dislike Terminal 5. I've seen 3 shows there and have enjoyed all of them.

I like the fact that there are so many places to buy drinks, so even when the place is crowded as f-ck, as it was last night, I don't have to wait long for a beer.

I think the sound is quite good and I also never have a problem seeing the band.

The only thing I don't like about Terminal 5 is its location.

What exactly do people not like about the venue?

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 3:27 PM

'F-ck Eric Clapton. J. Mascis is God.' - dead on.

Even in the sloppy and irritating jam at the end he produced some lovely moments.

Terminal Five is a travesty of a venue. It's sterile, hollow, the soundsystem was designed for a nightclub (which, as I understand it also functions as), there's no intimacy, it's all around poor. It makes me wish I was in Webster Hall, which is another shocker of a venue.

Not that any of that when Dino were destroying. I thought that Lou was also superb, hasn't lost any of his energy for these songs and his basslines pad out J.'s solos so well. Probably not a popular suggestion, but watching him after seeing the Kirkwoods perform a similar (though far les compelling) act, you can see clearly what Lou borrowed from Meat Puppets.

BTS were average at best and they seemed rather unamused at having to play Perfect through all over again. But then I'm not a huge fan of them.

Posted by O. | September 27, 2008 3:41 PM

nyu kids are douchebags. worst concert goers ever. I won't bore you all with the many idiotic snippets I overheard, but suffice to say it's depressing to think these people think they enjoy music as much as I do.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 3:43 PM

I didn't know so many bros listen to Dinosaur Jr. Fratty motherfuckers started going crazy when they came on. Really great night of music, though.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 3:43 PM

Dinosaur Jr. also played Back to Your Heart, one of Lou's best moments of the night.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 3:47 PM

3:43 - Who wouldn't go crazy? And why shouldn't 'fratty motherfuckers' like them?

and everyone else... it really took until last night to figure out J. Mascis is an excellent guitarist? I'm guess more than one Built to Spill fan hadn't a clue...

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 3:55 PM

I definitely should mention that both Barlow and Murph were unbelievably great too. Murph is one of the most powerful, propulsive and solid drummers I've ever seen. He's the engine that powers the beast. And Barlow? My God, does the man rock or what? Jumping around and attacking his bass with fervor. You could just see how much he loves rocking the fuck out.

The DEFINITION of the power trio.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 4:35 PM

" the soundsystem was designed for a nightclub (which, as I understand it also functions as), there's no intimacy, it's all around poor"

Wrong. Terminal 5 is in a building that was a night club previously. The Bowery Presents installed a new sound system rather than use a decade old night club sound system. If you had any idea what you were talking about, you would know this.
Intimacy? It's a 3000 person venue... I think by definition it is not intended to be "intimate".

Last night's show was amazing in every way... Meat Puppets, Dinosaur, BTS all played and sounded incredibly good.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 4:49 PM

thanks Terminal 5 guy!

sorry it bugs you that people who have gone to shows at Terminal 5 find it a crap venue...but people who have gone to to shows at Terminal 5 find it a crap venue. They're not out to hurt your feelings, honest.


Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 5:01 PM

Well it may be a new soundsystem but it sounds shockingly bad in that hall, which is probably why I assumed it was still being used for a night club. A 3,000 person venue can totally still have a feeling of intimacy. I went to a university with a 5,000 person venue that felt way more appropriate, engaging and energetic. Terminal Five sucks because it's attempting to be half indie club, half modest sized venue for lager, mainstream acts, and it fails at both. I notice you didn't argue about it's sterility. It's the sort of thing that can suck the life out of good bands.

It may not be intended to have intimacy, but with the type of acts Bowery books and many of the acts that have played there, it's just plain the wrong type of hall. I would imagine this has a large part to do with why so many people complain about it. Who wants to see Spiritualized, Jarvis, Fuck Buttons, Hot Chip, etc, in place that feels like an glossed up abandoned nightclub with (sorry but it's true) a shite soundsystem. They'd have been better off saving the money and keeping the old one.

Posted by O. | September 27, 2008 5:18 PM

Anyone have complete setlists from last night?

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 5:32 PM

I guess it's different strokes for different folks, because I really like seeing shows at Terminal 5.

I personally like the clean, modern aesthetic and I love how spacious the place is. I think the sound is quite good.

That's my opinion.

I guess if you don't like the venue, just don't go. More space for me. :)

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 5:40 PM

I can confirm that Meat Puppets played 'Molly's Lips' but not 'Jesus Doesn't Want Me for a Sunbeam'.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 5:52 PM

i'm surprised no one has mentioned that absolutely atrocious jam that followed carry the zero. the meat puppets came up on stage and took over the bass and drums and encouraged doug and j to go along with them on what will go down as the most awkward, painful jam session of all time. the meat puppets were once one of my faves but wow was this show eye opening.

Posted by mike | September 27, 2008 7:49 PM

mike - I thought it was a nice compliment to MBV earlier in the week. MBV concluded with 18 minutes of stunningly blissful noise, but BTS & co. showed them that ending a set with 18 minutes of total shit can leave a crowd in just as much agony.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 7:58 PM

They were having a good time... so what. They had all already given a great show... you were welcome to leave at that point.

Curt Kirkwood=one of the greatest guitarists EVER

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2008 11:30 PM

built to spill at across the narrows was snoozeville, USA.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2008 3:08 AM

i got a setlist from dino the first night

it went:

tarpit
been there
back to heart
fury
out there
feel pain
wagon
swan
freak
sludge

BUT THEY DIDN'T GET TO PLAY heaven WHICH WAS THEIR ENCORE.

BLAH.

also, was anyone here in the mosh pit during sludgefeast? probably the most fun part of the night, nobody in new york city big venues ever MOVES.

Posted by kabir in the suit jacket and jeans - uhoh | September 28, 2008 3:30 PM

i think if you move, you get labeled as a frat boy or jock. please for the sake of us that like to judge. please don't move, yell, or cheer at a show.

on the flip side, there is nothing more annoying than a person on here that wines that people aren't dancing.

oh, what to do

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2008 4:16 PM

It's silly to book guitar bands like BTS or Mogwai there, since most of their sonic details will be inaudible.

T5 could make a nice room for a warehouse disco, like Eugene or something. It isn't really adequate for an amplified live music performance.

The layout is inadequate for a performance space, air circulation and sightlines are poor, and the sound is not up to professional standards. There's a great deal of congestion on the floor, with people unable to move. The entrance/exit system isn't finished yet; there's a lot of work to be done before it stops seeming like a dangerous firetrap.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2008 5:18 PM

"3) i hate 95% of the people who go to shows these days, especially nyu kids."

hahaha. must be something about terminal 5-- when i saw stars there they WERE 95% of the audience.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2008 6:07 PM

I went to night 2 and could not believe how much talking was going on during the first few songs of Perfect From Now On. Isn't this the headliner? Isn't this who you paid to see? It got better towards the second half but I've never seen crowd noise get worse for the headliner.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2008 6:18 PM

the jam session to close out night two was, in the words of my girlfriend, as if the meat puppets came out during a great built to spill song, took a big shit in a blender, and made everyone drink a shit shake.


Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2008 6:44 PM

"I went to night 2 and could not believe how much talking was going on during the first few songs of Perfect From Now On. Isn't this the headliner? Isn't this who you paid to see? It got better towards the second half but I've never seen crowd noise get worse for the headliner."

I know a lot of people who went for Dino and left after them. I'm also willing to bet a good portion of the crowd didn't know BTS was doing the ATP shtick. It was a bad idea in their first place to take that beyond Kutsher's-- they have such a rich catalogue and hipsters hate jamming. It's definitely what kept me from shelling out $32.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2008 7:00 PM

"i think if you move, you get labeled as a frat boy or jock. please for the sake of us that like to judge. please don't move, yell, or cheer at a show.

on the flip side, there is nothing more annoying than a person on here that wines that people aren't dancing.

oh, what to do"

see, i get that it can be really obnoxious, but it's usually relegated to whether your a frat boy or not. if you have a cup of beer on you, then you're going to piss people off whether you move or not, because then you're stopping other people.

and it was just in general not really an excited crowd (until dinosaur jr.'s sludgefeast, that was awesome)

but i mean, i don't care, i did it anyway. tried to not be an asshole though

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2008 11:08 PM

Meat puppets killed, glad I got to see them.

Mascis blew doors off!!!! My left ear is still bleeding.

Great show like BTS so much better live. Perfect From Now On was intense and such a release when they launched into The PLAN.

VENUE SUCKED THE FAT ONE!!! Too much VIP crap, sound sub-par at best.

Posted by t- bag | September 29, 2008 11:16 AM

From what I understand the Bowery Presents people have an ongoing program to improve the sound at Terminal 5. The current PA is a rental and I think they are planning to upgrade. The house sound engineers there are first class and do what they can to improve the sound. I don't work for the Bowery Folks. Anyway, I think Terminal 5 sounds pretty good. Like any other venue, it depends on where you are standing.

We're all pretty spoiled here in New York. Most venues sound good. That's no the case elsewhere.

Posted by nkf | September 29, 2008 12:09 PM

forget the swan is the best song of all time.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2008 12:35 PM

BTS sounded great. I loved hearing PFNO from start to finish. But for the guitar strap snafu, I can't think of many things that went wrong. it wasn't earth-shattering, but it still made me happy i attended. My only complaint is the jam-band nonsense at the end, but BTS has pulled that self-indulgent poppycock every time i have ever seen them. last time it was cortez the killer for 25 minutes. i loved hearing keep it like a secret. maybe they'll play that one in full next time?!

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2008 1:19 PM

I went both nights. BTS was amazing Thursday. Friday was great as well but the songs after Perfect were better on Thursday. Rolling into Goin Against Your Mind after Untrustable was fantastic. The long drawn out jam sessions on both nights could have been foregone for another song or two but in any event great shows.

Can someone tell me the name of the song that they finished with on Thursday night? Never heard it but was a great song.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2008 10:55 PM

virginia reel around the fountain, i think they only do it live.

Posted by kabir in the suit jacket | September 30, 2008 3:27 PM

i turned into a total fan girl when i noticed will arnett friday night.

Posted by Anonymous | October 1, 2008 11:35 PM

'virginia reel around the fountain, i think they only do it live.'

Halo Benders...

Posted by Anonymous | October 2, 2008 7:11 PM

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