Posted in music | pictures on November 11, 2008

Photos by Chris La Putt

Smashing Pumpkins

"Now, it's bad enough to subject your audience to about 40 minutes of abrasive, deliberately off-putting music, but it's even more uncool to come back for an encore that mocks them for not being 100% with you, and feeling disappointed for not hearing more of what they expected to hear from a show billed as a 20th anniversary concert. In conventional show biz logic, if you're going to go that far, you should at least leave the audience with a crowd-pleaser. In Billy Corgan logic, you come out and perform one of the lesser songs from your best-selling album, and then finish off with a song that mixes disingenuous hippy-dippy "everyone is beautiful!" lyrics with improvised sarcastic rants that outright diss the city you're playing in, mock the fans for paying to see your band, and tell your visibly disappointed audience that you'll see them in hell. It was full-on douche-tastic passive-aggression. It's as if he set out to do this heel turn, and purposefully alienate as much of the audience as possible. Well, it worked. Believe me, unless you've witnessed other shows on this tour, it's unlikely you've seen a more defeated audience exit from a rock show." [Fluxblog, night one]
Pictures from Friday (11/7), and setlists from both of the shows they played at the United Palace in NYC, below...

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"More to the point, I found myself thinking about whether or not Corgan is noticing, as he plays the songs, that his compositions from the early to mid 90s are far more sophisticated and well constructed than his latest work, which mostly seems rather lazy and tossed-off. "99 Floors" and "Owata" are pleasant, but desperately need to be tightened up, as both go on too long, and just plod from part to part in a way that robs the chord changes and nice bits of melody of any impact. His work has become increasingly undisciplined, and it breaks my heart because he's capable of such great things." [Fluxblog, night two]
Nov 6, 2008 - United Palace setlist
Everybody Clap Your Hands
Tonight, Tonight
Speed Kills
United States
Once Upon A Time
The Crux
The Rose March
Bullet with Butterfly Wings
The Beginning is the End is the Beginning
Heavy Metal Machine
Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun

We Only Come Out at Night
Everything is Beautiful

Nov 7, 2008 - United Palace setlist
Ava Adore
Cupid de Locke
99 Floors
Cherub Rock
I of the Mourning
A Song for a Son
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
As Rome Burns
The Sounds of Silence
The March Hare
Age of Innocence

That's The Way (My Love Is)
I Am One Part 2

More tour dates HERE.



Comments (44)

This just makes me angry. D'arcy? James Iha? What the fuck...

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 10:53 AM

I don't feel bad for people that went to see this band.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 11:03 AM

Yeah, yeah, we all know they're terrible and the shows sucked according to anonymous Internet music professors. Here's a review from someone all self-respecting music critics look up to. It's refreshing to read the words of someone who knows what he's talking about for a change.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 11:07 AM

yeah you can't go to this show and not expect corgan to be pretentious.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 11:07 AM

That 2nd fluxblog excerpt is spot on. The new music is insufferable.

Billy Corgan is being outdone by shitty, wannabe-Pumpkins groups. I don't even know who those groups are these days, but they can't be as bad as what I heard last week.

Posted by Tito | November 11, 2008 11:08 AM

Billy Corgan needs to just give it up already, who still gives a shit about one of the most overrated bands of all time.

Posted by Billy Corgan | November 11, 2008 11:08 AM

great pictures....but please learn how to edit. will become better.

Posted by mj | November 11, 2008 11:11 AM

Jon Parales indeed knows what he's talking about... namely, giving blowjobs to corporate music companies and not knowing the indie scenes from his asshole. Any "self-respecting" music critic hasn't shit to do with Corgan since about 1996.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 11:16 AM

What'd Corgan say about New York?

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 11:22 AM

i wouldve gone for free.

i see james iha all the time by 9th/10th street.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 11:25 AM

possibly nicest pictures of the palace i've seen yet. the philosophic wall quotes are great

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Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 11:59 AM

Billy Corgan is.....G O D.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 12:01 PM

Noel Gallagher > Billy Corgan

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 12:07 PM

Billy Corgan is .... a pig fucker.

Posted by Terrance | November 11, 2008 12:07 PM

Music Snobbery > Brooklyn Vegan

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 12:09 PM

George W. Bush >>>>>>>>>>> Barack Osama

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 12:16 PM

tinful of cookies > music snobbery

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 12:16 PM

Ookie cookie > Gorilla Mask

Posted by Phillip | November 11, 2008 12:26 PM

of course you see him on 9th 10th st,
it's where the coke dealer lives.

Posted by annon | November 11, 2008 12:40 PM

i mean, i wouldnt go see these idiots if you paid me, but as a pumpkins fan of the old days night 2's set list dont look so bad ta me. discuss.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 12:41 PM

cherub rock without james iha = massive fail

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 12:46 PM

slanted > enchanted

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 12:47 PM

Karl Rove > George McGovern

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 12:59 PM

Billy Corgan has weird rosacea on his arm and hand. Freeky.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 1:03 PM

Great photos! I was there and most of the pre-2001 songs were excellent. Can't say as much for the rest.

Missing here is this unusual exchange. Corgan sarcastically called the first show the "greatest show ever" and he called a (barely-believable) disgruntled fan to the stage who he had heard complaining.
(The video is at my link below.)

CORGAN: Who was here last night? [Cheers] Greatest show ever. [To one audience member.] I’m sorry? I’m sorry? Would you like to say something? Come here. [...] Come here. If you’ve got something to say, come say it up here. Come on, come say it up here.”

AUDIENCE MEMBER (Now on stage, in microphone): “Yo, last night’s show sucked, man! [Boos.] I mean, come on, man, you really gotta use a set list? Come on. Look, look, look… Machina, alright, Heavy Metal Machine, that’s cool… oh, B, [the band’s] kind of far from the [stage …].”

CORGAN: “You done there? You got it all off your chest or you gonna say anything else?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Last night’s show f---in’ sucked, man!

CORGAN: Alright. Would you like your money back? Would you like your money back?

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Nah. I was just kidding man, I’m sorry.

CORGAN: Alright. We’re all good. [Guy leaves the stage.] Oh, by the way, by the way, I like that song you wrote. That’s a good song. I like that song you wrote. I believe it was number one: “Take Your D--k Out Of My A--.” Wasn’t that a number one hit, in Europe? I thought it was “Take Your D--k Out Of My A-- And Stick It In My Mouth.” That was your number one hit.

[Laughter, cheering.]

Yes. The circus is back on the road. Just when you thought drama was so 90s.

(The video is part of my review, linked below.)

Posted by Mike | November 11, 2008 1:21 PM

...probably the lamest band ever.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 1:49 PM

haha where is the video of that???

Posted by jack | November 11, 2008 2:11 PM

Billy Corgan used to be me

Posted by A Little Boy | November 11, 2008 2:12 PM

nvm, got it

Posted by jack | November 11, 2008 2:13 PM

He keeps his hair nice and trimmed. Wish he'd trim the setlists ZERO.

Posted by donn | November 11, 2008 2:16 PM

Was unable to go to these shows, so maybe they were as bad as people say, but I must admit being a long time Pumpkins fan that the setlist on night 2 wasn't all that bad (especially compared to others I've seen with even more new garbage). Having Siva, Bodies, Soma, Cherub Rock, Zero, Landslide, MCIS, Galapogos, Suffer, etc. That's pretty damn good right there.

Billy Corgan certainly has his ego issues, and I won't bother to defend him by describing stories from some of the band's more fan friendly days, but to say this is the lamest band ever is laughable. You clearly were not listening to rock music in the early to mid-90s.

Posted by CN | November 11, 2008 2:17 PM

this band was great when i was 14 and discovering that i had brooding feelings towards society.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 2:19 PM

if it's any consolation, BC & co were never a decent live band, not even in the days when they wrote great songs. It's not like you missed out on anything. Every night on Lollapalooza '93 he used to stop mid-song and yell at people for leaving!

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 2:20 PM

I have to give him respect for putting that fan up there, though too bad the guy he pulled up was a bit of a moron and couldnt really articulate himself.

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 2:27 PM

Who's the bass player?

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 2:48 PM

um, why does ANYONE care about this douche bag and his shitty band?

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 3:40 PM

I remember seeing the pumpkins when they did lollapalooza in '95. they were the worst live band i have ever seen to this very day. he mocked the crowd and just outright sucked. what a bald, pale piece of shit.

Posted by wingwalker77 | November 11, 2008 5:47 PM

Good lord... Cupid de Locke!!!

Posted by Ray | November 11, 2008 7:56 PM

hugging pumpkins >> smashing pumpkins

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008 11:58 PM

Hey 11:16AM, anybody who thinks Jon Pareles is giving blowjobs to major labels is a clueles idiot. If you need proof just read his "Case Against Coldplay" article from several years ago. You seem to have your head so far up your ass getting worried what's "indie" what's not, you would not know good music if it hit you in the head.

The show I saw (Thursday) was not great, but it had its moments. I followed Pumpkins' career without being a big fan at any point. They put out some good, some bad, but mostly interesting stuff.

All this bitching and moaning. You losers turned this place into Perez Hilton site. Just accept that you have no talent yourself and move on with your life.

Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2008 12:04 AM

If you guys in NY wanna have a serious laugh read these accounts of a heckler at SP's performance @ DAR Constitution Hall in Washington DC.

Photo here:

Let the debate begin!!!!

Posted by Colonel K | November 13, 2008 8:19 AM

For their in-progress North American “20th Anniversary Tour,” THE SMASHING PUMPKINS are committed to keeping their shows hard-hitting and adventurous. They are varying set lists every night and not repeating songs when playing back-to-back shows in a single city, with Night #1 called “Black Sunshine” and night #2 “White Crosses.” The group--also performing new unreleased material as well as some covers--has also added a second keyboardist, a horn section and a multi-instrumental string player to the tour, which kicked off October 31 and wraps December 3 with two nights in Los Angeles.

The 20th Anniversary Tour line-up is: BILLY CORGAN (vocals & guitars); JIMMY CHAMBERLIN (drums); JEFF SCHROEDER (guitars); GINGER POOLEY (bass); LISA HARRINGTON (keyboards); KRIS POOLEY (keyboards); STEPHEN BRADLEY (horns); GABRIAL MCNAIR (horns); and GINGGER SHANKAR (strings).

Writing in the New York Times about opening night of the Pumpkins’ two sold-out shows at the United Palace Theatre in NYC, Jon Pareles noted:

"...the Smashing Pumpkins’ music has stayed explosive....The concert also included the band’s newly released songs, ‘G.L.O.W.’ and ‘Superchrist,’ both ferocious, blaring rockers. Songs like ‘Siva’ and ‘United States’ stretched into jams, which hurtled from one pealing guitar line to the next, and quieter songs, like ‘The Rose March,’ still ached” (11/7/08).

In his Chicago Tribune review of the first (“Black Sunshine”) of the band’s four shows in the city, Greg Kot observed:
“‘Tarantula’ sounded like an elephant rampage, and ‘G.L.O.W’ packed a wallop over the top of Ginger Reyes’ propulsive bass line. ‘Siva’ crashed, burned and rose phoenix-like...Chamberlin put on a clinic as he pounded away over long, suspended notes by the guitarists. ‘Tonight, Tonight’ realized its orchestral ambitions with horns and violin abetting the core band. And the ‘Superchrist’/’United States’ epic brought a smile from Corgan as he locked in with guitarist Jeff Schroeder” (11/19/08).
Writing about the second Chicago show (“White Crosses”) in the Chicago Sun-Times, Mark Guarino commented:

"Wednesday, the majority of songs came from the Corgan songbook that has long been in the shadows, including the ballad ‘Cupid de Locke’ and ‘Suffer,’ a song from the band's 1994 debut now transformed into sly Afro-beat, sending its singer dancing to both ends of the stage. The band interwove these with new, unreleased songs that captured a similar tone: Corgan opened and closed "99 Floors" playing acoustic guitar and harmonica, ‘Owata’ had the deep pocket feel of 1970s country rock, while ‘A Song For a Son’ built to majestic heights that has long become his signature. The songs reflected Corgan's deepening maturity as a songwriter, but also as an arranger; the music felt evenly wrought, with each player neatly complimenting the overall textures and moods” (11/20/08).

The five-week run is being highlighted by multi-night stops in such cities as Chicago, Toronto, New York, Washington, Boston, Kansas City and Los Angeles (a special two-night ticket bundle will be available for all multi-night engagements). In Chicago--where BILLY CORGAN and JIMMY CHAMBERLIN continue to be based--the Pumpkins are playing four sold-out shows at two different venues. In cities where the band is set to play one night, they plan to deliver a unique one-off set.

Before the tour kicked off, the band performed their new single “G.L.O.W.”-- the #1 most added song at Modern Rock radio its first week out and now positioned at #12 on the Modern Rock chart--on two TV shows: SPIKE TV’s “Scream Awards” and on ABC-TV’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live.” Now independent artists who are releasing music in unconventional ways, the pioneering and influential Pumpkins are making “G.L.O.W” available via the Guitar Hero® World Tour game. This marks the first time a band has recorded a new song exclusively for the franchise which will be released afterwards, giving Guitar Hero® fans exclusive access to Smashing Pumpkins music before anyone else. In the Rolling Stone review of “G.L.O.W.,” Kyle Anderson wrote: “This monster, which will appear on Guitar Hero: World Tour, plows over Billy Corgan’s late-blooming prog sensibilities to make way for a volcanic Siamese Dream-style riff and an end-of-days bass roll” (11/13/08).

The band is also receiving attention for a two-DVD set If All Goes Wrong, released November 11. It consists of an unflinchingly honest 105-minute documentary, also titled If All Goes Wrong, tracing the Pumpkins during their 19-show residency in 2007, which began with eight shows at Asheville, NC’s Orange Peel in late June and continued through 11 sold-out nights at San Francisco’s Fillmore Auditorium. The set also includes The Fillmore Residency, a full concert filmed in late July and early August of 2007 over five of the 11 shows at the venue.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2008 1:38 PM

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