so wait a minute, I can have a nice 35 dollar steak dinner and see a show at the same time? Awesome!

So, i spoke to a ToddP promoter/employee back in november. this individual told me that ToddP is going to open an actual legit legal venue that is going to host all his shows...meaning the market hotel, death by audio and the rest of his 'venues' won't host shows anymore.

Has anyone heard any further information about this? I hope this new place, the jackson, is not the new permanent toddP location. Queens is far.

"this individual told me that ToddP is going to open an actual legit legal venue that is going to host all his shows...meaning the market hotel, death by audio and the rest of his 'venues' won't host shows anymore."

same story, different year

depends where you've coming from. Very convenient location if you're coming by subway, and that's key. Surely also easier to get to from Manhattan/Queens.

"this individual told me that ToddP is going to open an actual legit legal venue that is going to host all his shows...meaning the market hotel, death by audio and the rest of his 'venues' won't host shows anymore."

He is not the only booker at those spaces now, so why would they stop doing shows if he moved on?

^ exactly.

This place isn't far... it's one stop from both Midtown and Greenpoint.

one stop?? hell I live around the corner.. sweet!!

There's also the Cave.. they have smaller shows, comedy, poetry and open mic nights.. and pretty good veggie burritos.

Regarding Vanishing Poit, I guess anon 5:17 was right in this post-

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2009/01/vanishing_point.html

this is not the spot that todd is going to be the official dude at

Obvs.

FUCK BROOKLYNVEGAN
BRING BACK VANISHINGPOINT

the spots wouldn't close if that happened, and obviously the Jackson is not Todd P's permanent space... please try not to pointlessly scare people with totally incorrect information.

whatever you do, do NOT eat anything at this place. the rats out number the patrons every night.

The venue space is just next to the restaurant and has its own entrance. Vegans shouldn't be afraid.

"the market hotel, death by audio and the rest of his 'venues' won't host shows anymore"

This is complete and utter nonsense.

there are service changes on the 7 line this weekend.

vanishing point has been shut down since at least the 11th.

Word. 7 will work tonight, but if you are going tomorrow you have to take the E or G or otherwise the 7 shuttle bus. Still way easy.

vanishing point will be back sunday. it got shut down feb 1. they plan to carry on with shows booked after saturday.

well, 10:42, 5:17 wasn't totally right.
i mean, obviously it takes certain measures and some money (how much varies greatly) to open any venue, "illegal" or not. one can open a diy or open studio 54, and everything in between.
to imply that there wasn't money spent to "do it correctly" is simply not true, and really quite silly to make that assumption.
and quite frankly, i'm not naive about such things. we opened vp will full awareness of the risks.
the nature of our being "shut down" has a great deal to do with bad luck, timing, and other less than clear cut factors. the same can be said for virtually all the other venues that do what we do. everyone has their story and experiences. hopefully we (and everyone) can come out of it better, as we hope to do.
as for the schedule, we've been canceling on a week to week basis, as we're not down for the count yet.
point of fact, there's no simplistic reason/answer to matters like this. much like the opinions on here, there are widely differing ways one can go about hosting a venue such as we have.
i'm just trying to do it without breaking the bank and remaining true to our (by our i mean the friends who started vp and the community of which we're a part) values of independence and creativity outside the mainstream.
thx for supporting us (and all the other venues).
pj