Posted in music on June 12, 2009

whoah

The Great Pumpkin solves the mystery of why Northside Badge holders were not being let into Shea Stadium last night...

Last night was the first night of the North Side Festival. It started off really well with a great set by Ducktails at Cameo. We then headed over to Live at Shea Stadium to catch Marnie Stern and Magic Markers.

When we got to the show the guy at the door said that they were not accepting North Side Badges, and there was a sign saying that Marnie Stern canceled. He also handed me this flier...

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Comments (121)

kudos to Karen.

bummer about Marnie though, what happened there?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:32 PM

Fuck that

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:33 PM

the real Shea Stadium would have never pulled a stunt like this

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:33 PM

Had no idea about the Badge money thing...that's pretty F'ed.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:34 PM

that's a high horse you have there...

Posted by reheatedspaghetti | June 12, 2009 2:35 PM

boo fucking hoo!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:35 PM

Just because "Strength in Numbers" claims something on a flyer, doesn't mean it's true

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:36 PM

Kinda sounds like SXSW

Posted by TXn | June 12, 2009 2:36 PM

sounds like Shea Stadium has venue envy

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:37 PM

couldn't they have, ya know, used the time spent making and printing all those flyers to tell people about this? glad i made the trip out there for nothing.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:37 PM

Shea Stadium is shady. No pay for bands? No guestlist for bands? To support some assholes 'art project'? fuck that

Posted by donny | June 12, 2009 2:37 PM

nothside's fault

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:38 PM

Hey Strength in Numbers, how about the fact that you falsely advertised the fact that Marnie Stern was playing your venue right up until the end. Where does that fit into your ethical platform?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:38 PM

another confirmation that even a reasonable argument looks ridiculous in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS.

Posted by stumpy | June 12, 2009 2:38 PM

It wasn't exactly nothing, there was still a KILLER Magik Markers set out there...

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:38 PM

Yeah! Magik Markers destroyed!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:39 PM

We Do All Women? Sounds like an organization I would like to be a part of!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:40 PM

saving the world, one lady-centric event at a time...isnt that sweet

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:40 PM

bands are flaky, can't necessarily blame the organizer for that cancellation.

the northside gripe is legitimate. they aren't kicking down for the smaller shows, so what's the point of accepting their badges?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:40 PM

"so what's the point of accepting their badges?"

Free publicity for their shit-hole venue.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:42 PM

Typical spoiled hipster bullshit. "Shea Stadium" has been open, what a week? And they think they are so important now?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:43 PM

"these flyers brought to you by our trust fund"

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:44 PM

shea stadium is a very nice place.

I understand you're concerned that this situation is bad publicity for your festival, Mr Northside rep, but keep your counter arguments fair and above the belt, please.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:44 PM

No wonder Marnie Stern cancelled. She probably realized the type of people she had agreed to play a show for.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:45 PM

2:38
had you done your homework, then you'd known that Marnie Stern dropped off the bill. fuck, even I, with no intention at all to go to this, knew she wasn't playing.

@shea
sweet 'venue', great roof/balcony set-up. I checked it out last saturday. and don't let those "bowery presents" lovin' haters on BV drag you down. it's great to see that there's still some opposition out there.

Posted by UN:art:IG | June 12, 2009 2:48 PM

these overblown comments are clearly being made by worried Northside representatives.

you're embarrassing yourselves and turning people off by being so increasingly rude.

calm down, if your festival is as good as you believe it to be, people will forgive you for one hairy situaion.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:49 PM

UN:rt:IG, um "research"?? Sorry, I didn't know I needed to do "research" to confirm a band is playing that is listed on a venue's website. In fact, Marnie's name is STILL listed there:
http://www.myspace.com/sheastadiumbk

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:50 PM

The Beatles would NEVER have backed out of something like a Friday night Shea Stadium gig. I don't know who this Stern Mariner guy thinks he is, but not a smart career move. I also have no idea why these badgerholders are treated like kings in this city, where I'm from, they catch you, they fix you so you never hold a badger again. I apologize if I've misinterpreted anything but my need to complain was quite urgent, good day.

Posted by Silas T. Gobblescrote | June 12, 2009 2:51 PM

They have the right to do whatever they want. It's just unfortunate that they did nothing prior to the show to actually inform people they wouldn't be accepting badges, even though they were listed on the Northside website schedule.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:51 PM

for the record: shea stadium the venue had nothing to do with this decision, it was all strength in numbers' thing, it said so on the flier.

for a diff take:

http://microphonememoryemotion.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/magik-markers-and-fly-girlznine-11-thesaurus/

i've also put in an email to the women at strength in numbers, hopefully we can then put an end to speculating. info to come.

Posted by microphone memory emotion | June 12, 2009 2:52 PM

Clearly Northside would not have come up with these terms the day of the show. So regardless of their (admittedly awful) policy, SiN seems to be wrong here. How about you ladies take some time to figure out your business arrangements rather than drawing up fliers?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:52 PM

noone who didn't have a dog in this fight would possibly say the kinds of shitty things being said here about strength in numbers and shea stadium.

hey scared Northside people... you look like cranks!

act like grownups, please

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:52 PM

2:50
well, tough shit then. the listings I read made it very clear that she wasn't going to play. but yeah, whatever. 1:0 for you.

Posted by UN:art:IG | June 12, 2009 2:52 PM

fact is, I'm guessing that nobody forced Shea Stadium into being a part of the festival. If they didn't like the terms, then why did they join? Now they got the extra publicity, even more publicity, and didn't even honor the terms. It's childish and tells me that this venue is being run by children.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:53 PM

Northside didn't have their shit together and didn't tell the venues and bands and promoters they're involved with squat about what arrangements would be.

Strength in Numbers made a reasonable call, given the bait and switch


Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:56 PM

UNPROFESSIONAL

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:57 PM

northside is a mess

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:57 PM

Was this show ever actually part of Northside? I had the impression that it was a show that was just happening during the same period of time.

This reminds of CMJ, where badge-holders go around assuming they can get into any show in the city even if it isnt' a CMJ show.

And, as someone who knows the organizers of this event, these fliers were definitely NOT payed for by a "trust fund".

Plus that show was GREAT!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 2:58 PM

Legit +1

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:01 PM

2:56... You contradict yourself. If they did not provide any info how could they bait and switch? SIN should not have signed on till they knew the terms.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:02 PM

I dunno man, the room wasn't that packed. Seems to me the venue and the bands could have made more money for their worthy causes off of beer and a few LPs sold, than turning away people who wanted to see their show, who had not much of anything to do with any of the festival's practices or policies.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:02 PM

"Was this show ever actually part of Northside? "

yes

Posted by brooklynvegan | June 12, 2009 3:03 PM

This show was not part of Northside.

At one point it was going to part of the festival, and it was going to be at Death BY Audio, but then it moved to a different venue and ceased to be affiliated with the festival.

Northside presumed it would still be one of their shows (despite the move) without checking in with the promoter, Strength in Numbers.

It was lazy and disingenuous of them to do so. In going so they screwed over and misled their own badgeholders.

Strength in Numbers had no obligation to accept badges from a festival they weren't affiliated with in any way.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:04 PM

SIN didn't sign on, 3:02

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:06 PM

3:04... Clearly if they had time to draw up fliers, they had time to call Northside and pull the show if the new venue was a deal breaker.

The publicity stunt angle seems about right. I'm sure there will be people that want to agree with the indie diy side regardless of the facts (ie the blog linked by 2:52) but I really can't see how their argument makes sense.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:08 PM

I know a number of bands (My Teenage Stride, The Beets, to name a couple) that canceled their Northside shows. Why are people canceling?

Posted by hojo | June 12, 2009 3:09 PM

From Shea Stadium's MySpace:
http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music.showDetails&friendid=463786807&Band_Show_ID=19004

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Shea stadium

6/11/2009 8:00 PM at Magik Markers, Marnie Stern, The Fly Girlz/Nine 11 Thesaurus, Dynasty Handbag
, Brooklyn, New York
Cost:
L MAGAZINE NORTHSIDE FEST curated by strength in numbers.
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Looks like even the venue thought it was part of Northside.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:11 PM

publicity stunt? hardly. it takes minutes to make and copy a text flier.

this was a sincere reaction to the situation.

how would you feel if you booked a show and a festival decided to advertise that your independent show was part of their fest, without your say?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:11 PM

If the badge was all ages then these whiners probably would have complained that they couldn't use their badge to get into 21+ shows.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:12 PM

3:11
did it ever cross your mind that whoever maintains the sheastadium myspace info is not affiliated with Strength in Numbers? just sayin'....

a too many cooks kind of a mess. therefore, chill out

Posted by UN:art:IG | June 12, 2009 3:13 PM

"how would you feel if you booked a show and a festival decided to advertise that your independent show was part of their fest, without your say?"

WAHHHHHHHH

P.S. see the comment right above yours. Looks like it was part of the fest.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:13 PM

And what about Cymbols Eat Guitars. They wrote that angry myspace message about being falsely advertised and then got quietly added back this week. As much as this individual situation looks like its not Northside's fault, they do seem to be poorly communicating with the bands overall.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:13 PM

nobody bought any of these badges, so what difference does it make

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:14 PM

MEH Stadium.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:16 PM

North Brooklyn and its inhabitants are an utter embarrassment to greater NYC.

Posted by Pat | June 12, 2009 3:16 PM

anyone who's ever organized shows knows that venue websites are often mistaken, whereas promoters know what's actually going on. venues just sell booze and maintain a room, promoters organize shows.

whatever Shea Stadium's Myspace says proves nada.

Strength in Numbers did not book this show as part of the Northside Festival. Northside fest was fraudulently advertising it.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:18 PM

I'm totally OK with the ethos behind the policy/flyer but it seems like these people quite happily benefited from the promotion that L magazine gave them - as evidenced by the myspace entry and e-mails to L magazine.

It was a shitty stunt to deny people who paid for badges and then headed out to the venue just to enjoy themselves at a show. It was probably so they could make a few more bucks by charging people at the door.

Posted by Chris | June 12, 2009 3:18 PM

chris, you're wrong.

the promoter had no control over how northside fest tried to usurp this show. it was 100% bullshit. you should be mad at the festival, not the organizers of this show.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:20 PM

Northside Festival was a clusterfuck from the get-go, asking promoters to book shows and then assigning dates and venues later on.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:21 PM

or bands agree to do things, then get fancy managers. and then eventually wind up playing anyway.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:23 PM

Great promotion for Shea Stadium nonetheless, had never heard of it before now.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:26 PM

Reading between the lines, all I get is that they think THEIR artists are more important than the "bigger" headliners. This isn't communist Russia, ladies. Not all bands are worth the same $ or attention.

I can't wait til the people behind the original Shea Stadium sue your asses. I bet you'll want actual support then.

Posted by zenametal | June 12, 2009 3:34 PM

That flyer really makes Strength in Numbers look like complete assholes.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:35 PM

"you should be mad at the festival, not the organizers of this show."

WAHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:35 PM

how were fly girlz?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:36 PM

Northside shmorthside. I'd take the side of SIN a bit more if they didn't flood these boards anonymously. Put your name where your moufs iz.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:02 PM

"venues just sell booze and maintain a room, promoters organize shows."

Really? I wouldn't want to play at Shea then if all they are interested in is selling booze.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:18 PM

Well,
I'm in a band playing at this festival.. and the way the contract/terms was presented to me is this:

The venue is taking the first 10 paid (like every other show, for sound person, ticket person)
and then EVERYTHING after that our particular promoter is splitting evenly between the bands. They aren't taking anything. Pretty nice of them no? Not to mention all the free publicity via L Mag, etc, and the headaches that go along with putting something like this together.

If Northside is really hijacking people's money by letting what, maybe 20 people in for free (we're playing a 180 person space, which will doubtfully fill up), who fucking cares, more people get to see our music. Isn't that the whole point? It's not going to pay The Dodo's guarantee, or whatever big headliner like that flier suggests. It's the same as playing a venue in NYC/Brooklyn pretty much any other night of the week.. People are going to buy more drinks if anything. I can't really imagine how they (Northside Festival + Affiliates) would actually make any money from this festival.
In my past 4 years of CMJ experience I can safely say that CMJ is 300x's worse. $45 bucks is a lot different than paying $450++, not to mention the bloated advertising/marketing options behind it all.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:24 PM

Did The Beets really cancel? I was looking forward to their show tonight. It's still listed on their MySpace.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:28 PM

4:02 - so it's ok by you that northside has clearly penned about 90% of the comments here, but if anyone defends strength in numbers, it's the definitely SIN themselves trying to "flood these boards anonymously"

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:31 PM

4:31 - the northside festival is going on at this very moment -- don't you think the northside staff have more important things to do post anonymous comments on the brooklyn vegan message board? i was at the badge pick up place a little while ago and they all seem a little busy.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:36 PM

nope I don't think they do at all. this festival is bombing big time

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:38 PM

I hope they're busy filling all the slots left open by bands who are cancelling their festival

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:39 PM

northside festival needs to get their shit together

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:46 PM

BV sold out his Music Hall show for CMJ, now he's giving away tickets to tonight's Northside show.

There have been at least 10 bands cancel today, and a couple of blogs pulled the plug completely on "suprise" shows. Other promoters have been giving away list passes via email. Bands have been sending out emails and myspace bulletins begging people to show up to their shows.

This whole this is a complete fiasco.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:47 PM

anon 4:24- you are exactly right. I couldn't agree more!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:48 PM

Except that its wrong. Northside is reserving one-third of the tickets for badges, so your 180 venue automatically becomes 120. And that's if 120 paying people even show up. Likely, you're going to get a handful of people showing up to this poorly planned and poorly organized event. So, the bands and the promoter are getting squat. Meanwhile, Northside gave NONE of the advertsing or sponsorship money to any of the bands or the promoters, and did not share any of the revenue from the badge sales.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:54 PM

4:47 - who canceled today?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:55 PM

what bands canceled

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:56 PM

I think the Beets are actually still doing their show.

Posted by klop | June 12, 2009 4:58 PM

the beets didn't cancel anything. they're still playing tonight.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:04 PM

total crapfest

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:05 PM

I played this festival and all I got were these lousy bright red sneakers, very little communication, and a regular show that I could have booked myself. Our show wasn't advertised until the day before, and the venue we played was way out of the loop too. I was really looking forward to an opportunity to meet some new people, make some new friends, and maybe gain a little exposure that we wouldn't have otherwise. Just another example of the "cool" kids getting "cooler" while the rest of us sit around scratching our heads.

and since I'm ranting, There is never a reason to wear SUNGLASSES ON STAGE!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:09 PM

i don't see how this was going to be a success to begin with.

get sponsorship out of brooklyn. every instance of it has been a complete waste of time.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:27 PM

"So, the bands and the promoter are getting squat. Meanwhile, Northside gave NONE of the advertsing or sponsorship money to any of the bands or the promoters, and did not share any of the revenue from the badge sales."

Why should they? They get free press... that's it. I don't have anything to do with the Northside fest, but it sounds like they didn't do anything wrong here. $45 for a badge seems like a good deal and I highly doubt this festival is making a killing here.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:28 PM

what a foolish business model, why would anyone participate?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:56 PM

i live in new jersey and none of this matters to me

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:02 PM

dosen't shea stadium hold 60,000 people?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:14 PM

Ah, yes, The Beets did not cancel anything- sorry, my mistake. I know a bunch of bands did, though.

Posted by hojo | June 12, 2009 6:23 PM

name the the 10 bands that canceled today. I think you're full of shit.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:35 PM

a "bunch" of bands? today? who?!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:41 PM

hey 6:35 and 6:41.

it doesn't really sound like two different people when you post the same thing twice, right after the other.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:44 PM

"I never paid for my badge at all, but I did give a few bucks at the door)."

nice.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:48 PM

northside is 100% in the wrong here

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:04 PM

I never said anything about bands canceling specifically today. that was another poster, dude.

Posted by hojo | June 12, 2009 7:04 PM

Daft Punk canceled their surprise show

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:10 PM

"There have been at least 10 bands cancel today, and a couple of blogs pulled the plug completely on "suprise" shows. Other promoters have been giving away list passes via email. Bands have been sending out emails and myspace bulletins begging people to show up to their shows."

right so let me know which blogs and which bands are giving away these free passes today, and who pulled out. whoever posted that back it up.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:11 PM

where are these free list passes?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:21 PM

only you care, 7:21/7:11/6:41/6:35

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:57 PM

why are people surprised that a diy/all ages group putting on a show at a diy/all ages venue would refuse to work with a 21+ festival?

also, 21+ music festival? WHO DOES THAT??

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 11:26 PM

and since I'm ranting, There is never a reason to wear SUNGLASSES ON STAGE!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:09 PM

yes, for stagefright! cheaper and better for you than blowing it, booze, illicit drugs or betablockers.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 11:43 PM

Shea Stadium did not have anything to do with the decision to let Northside fest badgeholders out.

strength in numbers is an external promoter and this was thier decision.


Posted by emma | June 12, 2009 11:48 PM

Good for Strength in Numbers for sticking to their guns, but what I can't understand is why this problem wasn't found out sooner. Did know one for SiN/Northside know about the problem before yesterday?

It is quite obvious that someone (or more) for the festival are posting anonymously here. Do you really think we are that stupid?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 11:49 PM

"also, 21+ music festival? WHO DOES THAT??"

The festival was not 21+, but many of the venues were, and therefore badges were. There were still plenty of all ages shows.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 2:32 AM

It's all pretty boring really.

Posted by nkf | June 13, 2009 11:40 AM

if you really have the time to go to enough individual $7 shows in such a short time to even make the $45 badge worth it, you need to do something productive with your life.

Posted by and i don't even have a job | June 13, 2009 12:35 PM

I have the same problem on Thursday at Music Hall of Williamsburg and yesterday Friday at Death by Audio.

In MHW they say that the 20% available space for badges was already used (I wonder how the bunch of uneducated guards at MHW knew this since they were not even counting the badges). At Death by Audio they didn't get me in because they say they don't get any money from the badges to pay the bands.

I think L Magazine and the organizers are mainly responsible for this, not necessarily the small venues. They cheated people inventing this badge thing because it simply doesn't work. In the end, you can only get into a show if you arrive very early but the whole purpose of the badge is to be able to move freely between venues, so OBVIOUSLY you cannot be there on time for every show. I feel sorry for the people who came from other places outside New York and have to deal with this cheat and lack of consideration from the part of the organizers.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 1:26 PM

music sucks

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 2:10 PM

i hate all festivals equally. no thanks.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 2:45 PM

I had no problem getting into Music Hall of Williamsburg with badge, but I can see how that is frustrating.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 2:46 PM

"Shea Stadium did not have anything to do with the decision to let Northside fest badgeholders out.

strength in numbers is an external promoter and this was thier decision."

Then the people who run Shea are pussies. It's their fucking place, they can let in whoever they want.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 3:15 PM

Festival badges when venues are very small are completely stupid. Having gone to a number of festivals over the past ~10 years in the U.S. and Europe I can tell you that people who buy badges rarely, if ever, buy them just so they can wander around to random shit and "check it out." They buy them because of very specific headliners and/or cult acts in the lineup that they want to see, along with everyone else. The only way badges work is if every single stage/venue at a fest has enough capacity to theoretically hold every single badge holder at any given time. It rarely happens. How many people with badges do you think are going to be at the Bill Callahan show? That is going to be a true clusterfuck.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 4:51 PM

Bill CallaHEM

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 5:32 PM

What/who the hell is Strength In Numbers?

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 5:45 PM

5:45 clearly they are a group of people who curate shows. anyone could figure that out from reading the original post.

Posted by Anonymous | June 14, 2009 1:51 AM

your all idiots

Posted by Anonymous | June 15, 2009 11:32 PM

The right thing to do in this situation, if SIN really felt so strongly about it, is make that same flier and then give the badge holders who showed up - how many can that possibly be? - the opportunity to make an additional donation to the artists if they want to. The one group who are definitely not at fault in this scenario are the people who bought badges thinking they'd get into this show, then traveled out to the show only be turned away because of a political/business dispute they had nothing to do with. That's just basic customer service. If they'd given those people the opportunity to chip in a couple bucks - or not - and still see the show, without insisting on the full cover, they'd at least have made more money off the door than they did, and all this bullshit would have been averted. Assuming SIN's ethical concerns here are genuine, I would have to assume some of the people who were turned away are not going to want to support their shows in the future, even if it was all totally Northside's fault...the badge still got you into every other advertised Northside show, so the badgeholders probably aren't likely to blame them. Frankly, there's a right and a wrong way to handle things, and there's no way this was the right one...

Posted by Anonymous | June 16, 2009 6:51 PM

why would anyone pay $50 for a badge when the shows individually cost only $5-15?? That's just stupid.

Posted by brandonmetal | June 25, 2010 2:26 PM

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