Posted in music on June 12, 2009

Northside

It's come to our attention that at last night's Strength in Numbers showcase at Shea Stadium, the show's organizers refused to let in badge-holders. First and foremost, we sincerely apologize to anyone who was turned away-you spent good money on a badge that we said would grant you admission to this show, and we feel terrible about it.

That said, we would also like to point out that if we're guilty of anything here, it was deciding to partner with an organization that would go back on its word in order to carry out what seems to be little more than a publicity stunt. For every copy of this flyer they distributed last night, we have an email from them stating in no uncertain terms, and with lots of exclamation points even, how thrilled they were to be a part of the Northside Festival.

We have a lot of work to do and a lot of music to see, so we don't want to dwell on this for too long. It's worth noting, though, that in orchestrating this stunt, which was meant to call attention to what they perceive as injustice, Strength in Numbers failed to realize that the only impact it would have was essentially to take money out of the pockets of people who support the work they do and the artists they love.

We apologize again, and hope that you enjoy the rest of the festival.

Sincerely,
The L Magazine & The Northside Festval.

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Comments (97)

This show was not part of Northside.

At one point it was going to part of the festival, and it was going to be at Death BY Audio, but then it moved to a different venue and ceased to be affiliated with the festival.

Northside presumed it would still be one of their shows (despite the move) without checking in with the promoter, Strength in Numbers.

It was lazy and disingenuous of them to do so. In going so they screwed over and misled their own badgeholders.

Strength in Numbers had no obligation to accept badges from a festival they weren't affiliated with in any way.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:07 PM

Strength In Numbers = lame

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:08 PM

yikes. part of me hates to even admit it but i'd call this one either a draw or in favor of northside at this point?

now let's move the fuck on.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:09 PM

From Shea Stadium's MySpace:
http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music.showDetails&friendid=463786807&Band_Show_ID=19004

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Shea stadium

6/11/2009 8:00 PM at Magik Markers, Marnie Stern, The Fly Girlz/Nine 11 Thesaurus, Dynasty Handbag
, Brooklyn, New York
Cost:
L MAGAZINE NORTHSIDE FEST curated by strength in numbers.
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Looks like even the venue thought it was part of Northside.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:10 PM

If Strength in Numbers moved venues and decided to change the agreement, they should have stated so to Northside.

It was lazy and disingenuous of them not to do so.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:12 PM

When does Dan Deacon go on?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:16 PM

Something tells me I would not hit any of the girls who run Strength in Numbers.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:24 PM

this wasn't a Northside show. Period.

The promoter is the one backing up guarantees, renting the venue, paying staff, etc. What did Northside do? they listed the show on their website.

If you actually think that Northside had some right to get their people in for free because they provided (unsolicited) advertising, then would it also have been cool for Todd P (who listed the show on his website too) to send over people with some bs credentials saying they could get in for free as well?

Strength in Numbers owes Northside nothing.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:26 PM

i don't think northside is ASKING strength in numbers FOR anything 3:26...

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:31 PM

Was Strength in Numbers aware that both Shea's Myspace and Northside were listing the show erroneously? Couldn't they have attempted to do something about it earlier in the week?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:34 PM

Strength in towels.
Towels in numbers.
It's all the same to me.

Posted by Keith Hernandez | June 12, 2009 3:34 PM

"this wasn't a Northside show. Period."

I agree, you girls are all on your period

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:34 PM

Strenght in Numbers = very shady.
Why would Northside lie about having that show being part of the festival? There's absolutley no point in them doing that.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:36 PM

strength in numbers sounds like a really terrible hardcore band

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 3:38 PM

Strength in Numbers....to screw over badgeholders...really, really lame.

Posted by Brains of the few | June 12, 2009 4:03 PM

"At one point it was going to part of the festival, and it was going to be at Death BY Audio, but then it moved to a different venue and ceased to be affiliated with the festival.

Northside presumed it would still be one of their shows (despite the move) without checking in with the promoter, Strength in Numbers."


I agree with 3:12. If the promoter decides to move venues and disassociate with the festival it is their responsibility to notify the festival of the venue change and reason for doing so, and that they wished to no longer partake.

It was very unprofessional of the promoter (amateurs).

And, 338, I thought it was also the name of a terrible hardcore band.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:05 PM

i sure hope this message was relayed somehow to badgeholders such as via email to badgeholers or something and not just thrown up on a blog. (great site but not the way to reach people)

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:05 PM

Oops! these disputes have become commonplace !

Posted by العاب شمس | June 12, 2009 4:06 PM

Strength In Numbers is like a roomate that says he left his half of the rent check on the kitchen table...that, unbeknowist to him, has somehow now gone missing.

...posers

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:07 PM

3:38 - Hahahaha, so true:

http://www.myspace.com/strengthinnumbers

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:12 PM

I'm not involved with either side here nor did I go out to try to attend this event. However it seems to me that the band seemed to be penny wise and pound foolish here. What were tickets? They couldn't have been more than $10-$15.

So instead people like me who've never heard of them now have had that lasting first impression created for them. How much is THAT worth to them?

Even if they were in the right, sometimes it's better in the short term to suck it up and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

Posted by Travis | June 12, 2009 4:27 PM

so bands should just let people in for free because some organization decides to claim a show as their own?

that's ludicrous.

strength in numbers did the right thing. how do you think irving plaza would react if you showed up at their door with a northside pass saying it got you into their shows? the only difference here is that nortside decided to advertise this show, bu it's not like the promoter or the bands involved were consulted about it.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:36 PM

Northside Festival is the biggest joke ive ever seen in williamsburg. Bigger joke than the edge building. Badges, get a fucking clue. Music and art is every day of the week. Desperate L magazine wanting to seem like they aren't some dumb piece of shit toilet paper substitution.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:46 PM

Yes, if an incident is going to come out making you look like a dick, even when you're not, you suck it up for what I'm sure was a very small number of people.

You're comparing a relatively unknown band to one of the most established venues in the country. Apples to fucking oranges bro. Is it a double standard? Yes. Does it suck balls for the band? Yes. However, in a month no one would've remembered this. Instead, a year from now people around the world will easily be able to google about what they will perceive is a band being petty.

Suit yourself dude. If that's how you want people to read about you that's, as Bobby Brown would say, Your Prerogative.

Posted by Travis | June 12, 2009 4:48 PM

Pennywise blows.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:49 PM

Travis, Strength By Numbers was not the band. It was the promoter of a show.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:50 PM

Thanks. I guess the same principle applies.

Posted by Travis | June 12, 2009 4:53 PM

Strength in Numbers sound like a bunch of dumb self-righteous cunts.
The people who run Shea sound like disorganized, pussies who should have done something to accomodate the people who went out of their way to come to the show with badges.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:54 PM

Using the c-word to describe women is always a great way to make an intelligent point.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 4:56 PM

SUCK ITS DICK

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:00 PM

Agreed.

Now let's all mosh around and sing Bro Hymn.

Posted by Sacred Absolute Hipster Cow | June 12, 2009 5:00 PM

Strength In Cunts sent out a flier that ahmadinejad won today too.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:00 PM

badgeholding facists! stay away from our precious all ages events

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:07 PM

"Using the c-word to describe women is always a great way to make an intelligent point."

Who said I was trying to make an "intelligent" point?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:08 PM

alway stimulating commentary on brooklyn vegan.

so much insight!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:11 PM

"Badges, get a fucking clue."

Badges = a ticket to multiple shows, mutliple times a day for 4 days. What's so confusing about that?

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:11 PM

these northside festival people are defensive jerks

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:15 PM

Okay, facts of the case:

(1) This show was originally scheduled as a Northside Festival show. This is apparently agreed on by both sides.
(2) It was originally agreed to be at Death By Audio, but was moved to Shea Stadium. It is unclear who moved it.

Without looking at the exchanged emails, it is hard to tell who "breached" contact first.

Posted by The End of Irony | June 12, 2009 5:20 PM

Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!.... Anyone? Come on!

Posted by StrengthinNumbers | June 12, 2009 5:26 PM

Cunt is such a great word - Loius CK

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:29 PM

Go read the news from somewhere new, or go help some elderly folks who need some groceries. Who cares about this little frivolous issue.

Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!.... Anyone? Come on!
No badges.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 5:37 PM

and no, Epic is not a good representation of them. just listen to all of Angel Dust and King For a Day...

Posted by Tatil | June 12, 2009 5:51 PM

this band will be history in 5 months.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:12 PM

magik markers have been popular for around 4 years now

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:20 PM

why didnt she just post in the comments section of the blog? this is fucken retarded.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:38 PM

probably because she doesn't want to get involved chatting away with all the morons that hang out here

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:50 PM

she also probably thought two emails to the blog's proprietor would do the trick

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 6:54 PM

why'd she send e-mail to BV? shouldnt she have sent the e-mail to l mag instead as to why the show was still listed on their website? I guess she let it slide figured if few more people showed up no harm in that.

I still think the whole think is retarded as it seems door was pay what you wish.

Although I could see you saying fuck it and not give a buck on principle.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:06 PM

northside should be spending their presious afternoon internet improving their poor communication skills and trying to salvage the shitstorm that is their festival, and less time attacking promoters whose shows weren't even part of their festival.

Northside had to know what they were getting into listing a show that wasn't confirmed to be part of the fest. blaming a small indy promotion org and a struggling new venue for the problem, that's just tacky.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:08 PM

this wouldnt happen if bowery was running the show

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:10 PM

Just for the record, the show last night at Shea was on a sliding scale, from 8 to 10 bucks (??) . . . which is more than most shows at big venues, with massive overhead. The admission price (to say nothing of a sliding scale that has no real room in which to slide) indicated to me, and to others I am guessing, that the people running the event do not go to many shows or have any real history with the scene. Ten dollars is what one pays to get into the Mercury Lounge or Irving Plaza . . . not a DIY venue in the East Williamsburg Industrial Park. Seemed very amateurish and immature. Total lightweights.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:24 PM

ten bucks to get into Irving Plaza huh

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:37 PM

check out this guy charging 8 to 10 bucks OR MORE for DIY shows, he clearly has no history with "the scene": http://toddpnyc.com/

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:39 PM

bad boys

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:40 PM

What, is Todd P the de facto standard for all things DIY? DIY existed long before Todd arrived in town . . . though you guys, and the MTV, might want to argue otherwise.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:45 PM

Ten bucks into Irving plaza my ass. Maybe on open mic night.

Heres a better comparison numb nuts: ten bucks to get into less condos more artists. Both Shea and LCMO are fairly DIY except for one is in the big $$$$ West Village (an area I am convinced must be the mortal realm of hell...on weekends at least) and the other is in well....an area of significantly lesser rents.

Posted by try n' save | June 12, 2009 7:47 PM

shows at MHOW are *ALWAYS* $12+, usually a lot more. the next week of shows there are all at least $15 at the door. Just check ohmyrockness.com

so stop talking out of your ass. DIY shows are half the price of big corporate shows.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:47 PM

$10 is too much for a show, ostensibly, run by volunteers in a DIY space. If there were fifty to sixty people there last night and everyone paid $10 to get in, that leaves the bands w/ a decent amount of money, and the space holds on to a little something to cover their expenses too . . .

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:48 PM

7:45, while i would certainly argue that Todd is at least a decent barometer by which to guage the state of "DIY" in new york, the point is more that 8 to 10 dollars is not an outlandish price to pay for a show featuring a fairly popular band in Williamsburg

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:48 PM

i mean, i don't know for sure, i'm just going by the prices they pay to see shows on "Downtown Girls"

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:49 PM

Strength in NuMEHrs

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:49 PM

Yeah, when all you kiddies were still hanging out at the mall listening to Tool there was ABC NO Rio. . . do your homework about the gutter punk and squatter scenes in the East Village of the 1980s. Without the early punk ethos their would be no Todd P. BV needs to do a little homework on alternative spaces and venues before the Pope nominates Todd P for sainthood.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:51 PM

wow 7:51, missing the point by a mile. not surprising from a post that starts with the words "when all you kiddies were still hanging out at the mall listening to Tool" but still pretty breathtaking.

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:53 PM

7:51, I think you're hearing things again because no one said anything remotely similar to what you're debunking here

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 7:54 PM

Yes, but did you actually listen to Tool? If so, that's my point exactly . . .

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 8:09 PM

so in other words you don't actually HAVE a point. good night!

Posted by Anonymous | June 12, 2009 8:10 PM

$10 is too much to see 4 bands? musicians pay rent too. as for the badge thing - if you really liked the bands playing, and you went all the way there to see them play- wouldn't you just eat the cover charge knowing you're supporting a band you like? "oh no, that's one less 6 pack of pbr i can buy."

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 3:18 AM

I listen to Tool every now and again at 27. So fucking what?

DIY...what does that stand for?

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 9:51 AM

I dunno who fucked who but the bottom line is that Northside Fest seems fucking retarded.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 10:19 AM

I thought none of the bands got paid?

I agree 10 bucks is not too much. most shows at Glasslands are in the 7-8 dollar range. shows at union pool are usually 10 bucks. once you start crossing that 10 dollar threshold you can start to complain...

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 10:23 AM

Another thing that I always thought was funny since this thing was announced is this. Take a look at the poster here:

http://www.northsidefestival.com/img/northsideposter.jpg

Now, look at the five top-level bands. Two are from Brooklyn. The other three are from New Mexico, Texas, and fucking Canada. What a great celebration of "North Brooklyn" music. Thanks Heineken and some shoe company.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 10:53 AM

this was a warehouse space, not a bar (re: Union Pool) or even a regular venue (re: see Glasslands). Most shows at the Mercury Lounge are 12 . . . two dollars less gets you a ten minute walk to the train and the convenience of an East Williamsburg Industrial Park!

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 10:54 AM

The Hold Steady are from minnesota.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 11:13 AM

"if you really liked the bands playing, and you went all the way there to see them play- wouldn't you just eat the cover charge knowing you're supporting a band you like?"

This makes it sound like Strength in Numbers was TRYING to defraud people, which I don't believe for a second.

Posted by The End of Irony | June 13, 2009 11:24 AM

@11:13 Well, there you go. 4 out of 5 headliners not from NY. Great celebration!

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 11:36 AM

lifter puller (the previous band featuring members of Hold Steady) are from minnesota, hold steady live in brooklyn. they started the band after they moved here.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 11:45 AM

i like how this thread went from promoters chewing each other out to another todd p pro and con clusterfuck. it's funny that industry people think they are protecting their image by posting here, because it seems that more industry people read these than fans.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 12:45 PM

a) who cares where the bands are from?
b) why would you complain about free Heineken?
c) "Thanks Heineken and some shoe company." I highly doubt anyone retired thanks to Heineken and Kangaroos co-sponsoring

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 2:02 PM

CRUST PUNX FOR LIFE!

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 2:48 PM

@2:02 Well the Northside Fest website states they are "a four-day celebration of New York City’s independent music and art scene." They are celebrating out of town headliners. That's the only point I'm making. Also, if you don't think that corporate sponsorship taints art events then, fine, there's no point in continuing this conversation.

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 4:48 PM

Ha, "taint."

Posted by Anonymous | June 13, 2009 4:57 PM

@11:24 - That wasn't my point at all. I don't think they were trying to do anything other than put on a show that fit within the realm of their beliefs, listed bands they thought people wanted to see, and offer a venue space up for it... that said, rather than show up and be angry that someone wasn't honoring some wristband, isn't the point the experience of hearing/seeing a band you went there to see? Isn't it worth far more to support local promoters, artists, touring bands etc, than it is to waste the energy of being pissed you have to fork over a couple extra dollars? I actually fully support the statement made (via SIN) and likely would have taken a similar route (while fully covering my ass every way I could). No one wants to dick anyone over for fun... right? right?

Posted by Anonymous | June 14, 2009 1:31 AM

"No one wants to dick anyone over for fun... right? right?"

Your naïvete amuses me.

Posted by Anonymous | June 14, 2009 5:25 AM

Anyone who is trying to make the case that SiN are a bunch of amateurs and have no history running shows out here has NO idea what they're talking about. Karen has put together so many shows in Brooklyn over the years, and they are pretty much always well-run and well-managed. Girl knows her shit. SiN's shows are usually about $5, so I'm sure the SLIGHT price increase had some kind of justification.

Anyway, this show was rad, and it was probably better for the lack of industry folk flocking around the place.

Posted by Anonymous | June 14, 2009 12:35 PM

oh give it a rest already. you guys should kiss and make up, it will be better for all parties involved...

Posted by Anonymous | June 14, 2009 12:44 PM

I don't think anyone wants to exploit anyone, at least explicitly, but there was an amateurishness about the whole night . . . in terms of the cover charge, the door, the dudes pacing nervously back and forth, a kind of rah! rah! rah! enthusiasm that can be highly annoying, especially when it turns out they were pointing figures at other people as to what's wrong w/ the scene.

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.

Posted by Anonymous | June 14, 2009 4:45 PM

4:45, that aphorism does not require a comma.

I find the whole concept of a "woman-run" DIY promoting "entity" confusing and naive, since there are plenty of women who book shows in Brooklyn, and, I don't know, it just doesn't feel like something that requires some sort of quasi-feminist marketing campaign. Are these ladies from Portland or something?

Posted by himsley | June 15, 2009 11:24 AM


Strength in Numbers, give it a rest. Your beef about being affiliated with Northside should have been addressed way before showtime. Was Northside including your show in it's promotions? If so, were you unaware? Please...

I had never heard of you before this drama, but with your 'noble' stand against Northside, you all come off looking like a bunch of diluted, self-entitled, little brats.

Posted by Anonymous | June 15, 2009 12:04 PM

"SiN's shows are usually about $5, so I'm sure the SLIGHT price increase had some kind of justification."

From what I read, they were charging 10 dollars. That's double the price. Stop trying to stretch the truth.

Posted by Anonymous | June 15, 2009 1:09 PM

Corporate sponsorships = free beer for all badge holders at the northside hq=badges=$45 all the free heinekin you can drink for four days and see a bunch of shows=win for everyone who bought a badge

Posted by Anonymous | June 15, 2009 11:30 PM

12:04PM = 11:30PM = Northside organizers. Give it up already!

Posted by Anonymous | June 15, 2009 11:43 PM

northside was a bunch of bullshit

Posted by Anonymous | June 15, 2009 11:51 PM

respect to Marnie Stern for calling bullshit on this manifesto.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2009/06/no_badges_shea.html

"THE KIDS" oh for fuck sake.

Posted by Anonymous | June 16, 2009 12:54 AM

11:43 = Northside Organizer trying to throw us off that track by accusing others. I'm on to you. I'm on to all of you. You are all Northside Organizers.

Posted by Anonymous | June 16, 2009 1:24 AM

I love how the Northside haters find it impossible to believe that anyone, but a "Northside Organizer" might have actually enjoyed this festival or sided against Strength in Numbers. Ironically the Northside haters are the real fascists.

Posted by Anonymous | June 16, 2009 1:40 AM

nope, not a Northside organizer, just a guy who found this story days after the fact and still felt compelled to offer his two cents regarding Strength In Numbers.

Posted by Anonymous | June 15, 2009 11:30 PM | June 16, 2009 9:29 AM

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