Posted in music | venues on September 2, 2009

Bowery Ballroom and Brooklyn Bowl

Brooklyn Bowl and Bowery Presents are announcing today that they've formed a partnership. Josh Moore of Bowery Presents is now the head talent buyer (booker) for, not only Music Hall of Williamsburg, but also Brooklyn Bowl.

Brooklyn Bowl will continue to occasionally program its own events too, and continue to work with various promotional partners (for instance partnering with JellyNYC to make the bowling alley / music venue the official afterparty location of the Pool Parties this summer), but I think for the most part, Brooklyn Bowl will now appear to be part of the Bowery family.

"We watched Brooklyn Bowl grow from the ground up," says Moore. "The project was indeed ambitious but it was so well conceived and executed -- it just worked. We are also excited to be in business with our good friends, Peter Shapiro and Charley Ryan, who did an amazing job bringing the venue to life. After spiritedly competing on bookings over the past few weeks we mutually realized that we should work together, rather than compete against one another."
Will Griggs, co-founder of Cantora Records, has been hired to work with Josh on booking the bowling alley, and Brooklyn Bowl's current talent buyer, Mia Sladyk, "will continue to work with Brooklyn Bowl as a favored promoter".
"This is an ideal development for Brooklyn Bowl," said Brooklyn Bowl co-founder, Peter Shapiro. "Even from the first few shows, the venue has developed a reputation for being one of the most unique live music experiences in New York. We've been thrilled with the response and want to take our momentum into this partnership with The Bowery Presents. We are very appreciative of the significant contributions that Mia Sladyk made to Brooklyn Bowl; she has been a key member of our team and we look forward to continuing to work creatively with her in the future."
Brooklyn Bowl is an amazing new venue. Bowery Presents books a lot of great shows. This could be a good thing.

Videos of The Drums and Cymbals Eat Guitars playing the recent Insound show at Brooklyn Bowl, below...

"Let's Go Surfing" by the Drums @ Brooklyn Bowl

"Cold Spring" by Cymbals Eat Guitars @ Brooklyn Bowl

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Comments (125)

The consolidation continues. Not a good sign . . . feels like even the independent venues in NY will all soon be controlled by the same hands.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:17 AM

So does this mean no more Terminal 5 booking!? Woohoo....

So as far as capacity wise for Bowery Presents shows, it will go like....
1) Mercury 250
2) Bowery & Music Hall 550
3) Brooklyn Bowl 700
4) Webster Hall 1400
5) Terminal 5 3000
6) That venue in Jersey...Wellmont was it?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:18 AM

Agreed with 9:17... time for someone/something new to step up...

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:20 AM

"Agreed with 9:17... time for someone/something new to step up... "

Did you forget about Knitting Factory, Bell House/Union Hall, Live Nation, AEG, Todd P (and the countless venues he's associated with), City Winery, Europa, etc, etc?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:27 AM

this is gonna be great. that no deachunter show was excellent.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:28 AM

don't bitch, at least it's not LIVE NATION

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:28 AM

"Did you forget about Knitting Factory, Bell House/Union Hall, Live Nation, AEG, Todd P (and the countless venues he's associated with), City Winery, Europa, etc, etc?"

And Maxwell's...

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:38 AM


What happened to Mia?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:57 AM

Yeah, SCHMOCK NATION is definitely the worst of them all. They hardly ever have good shows at their venues, they have huge fees when ordering tickets (2 times what Bowery charges) and the people that work at their venue you are assholes. When they do have a show that is! I mean, they run the Warsaw, how often do you see a show there?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:59 AM

"What happened to Mia?"

Are you asking that after reading the complete article?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:59 AM

The venue itself is horrible, who cares who plays there.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:03 AM

Why in the world would they ditch T5? 3000 capacity and the venue consistently sells out. Granted, it's not the best venue, but probably the best revenue.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:06 AM

"The venue itself is horrible, who cares who plays there."

Brooklyn Bowl is horrible? LMFAO. By what standards is it "horrible"???

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:17 AM

what r u a fucking suit?

t5 sucks for drinking and viewing...you should care about the audience not the REVENUE...GET BACK TO YOUr office job

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:19 AM

Bowery Presents Clear Channel.

They had to do this. Who the hell gives a shit about Music Hall? The most soulless vibe in a room in all of Brooklyn.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:22 AM

>>don't bitch, at least it's not LIVE NATION

9:28, welcome to the new landscape aka as the slippery slope. What are you, a cheerleader for Bowery Presents?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:25 AM

Now the guy's got Bowery as a partner. Any problems, he goes to Bowery. Trouble with the bills? He can go to Bowery. Trouble with the cops, deliveries, shitty bands he can call Bowery. But now the guy's gotta come up with the Bowery's money every week no matter what. Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? Fuck you, pay me. Place got hit by lightning huh? Fuck you, pay me.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:25 AM

@10:17 Terrible acoustics (It's a warehouse turned into a bowling alley) - One bar to service the live music area (understaffed and overpriced) - People still bowl [b]during music[/b] - Won't let you at least grab a drink from the underutilized restaurant bar (useless) - Barc as fuck security.
In short, just another overpriced money-making shithole for midwestern transplants to have their fun in.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:26 AM

This is great news. Bowery definitely books the consistently best shows in the city and they're home-grown, unlike Live Nation and AEG. Brooklyn Bowl and Music Hall in the same area will compliment each other (can't have mellow indie rock at a bowling alley), and Brooklyn Bowl could bring in a totally different type of band to the area.

Posted by panopticon | September 2, 2009 10:28 AM

@10:19

Don't believe for a second BP isn't in this for the money. Why do you see shows MOVED to T5 along with added dates?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:30 AM

@10:25

OK! I reloaded!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:33 AM

"Now the guy's got Bowery as a partner. Any problems, he goes to Bowery. Trouble with the bills? He can go to Bowery. Trouble with the cops, deliveries, shitty bands he can call Bowery. But now the guy's gotta come up with the Bowery's money every week no matter what. Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? Fuck you, pay me. Place got hit by lightning huh? Fuck you, pay me."

What is this the Godfather? ha. PARANOID

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:34 AM

"What is it about
Music that lends itself so well
To business as fucking usual?"

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:39 AM

This is either really good or really bad...and I fear it is really bad. True Bowery books amazing shows, but with more venues they are able to outbid up and coming promoters and basically put a choke hold on any neighborhood they come into...it's actually the classic Clear Channel model, either put your competition out of business or take them over. It's what allowed Clear Channel (now live nation) to become so powerful across the country.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:40 AM

"but with more venues they are able to outbid up and coming promoters and basically put a choke hold on any neighborhood they come into."

If you think this is a problem, then blame the bands.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:43 AM

the booking is aces at bowery presents BUT...when they dropped ticketweb for ticketmaster...or whatever happened resulting in their fees going up...that was a sucky move indeed.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:45 AM

"Did you forget about Knitting Factory, Bell House/Union Hall, Live Nation, AEG, Todd P (and the countless venues he's associated with), City Winery, Europa, etc, etc?"

And Maxwell's..."

Indeed.

The fact that we've got all these killer indie venues (Bell House, Southpaw, Europa, Union Hall, all of Todd P's places, Knitting Factory, even Public Assembly) and a local promoter like Bowery who may be pretty corporate but blows national conglomerates like AEG and Live Nation out of the water really speaks to the amazing music scene in New York. Other cities get much shittier bands with worse service and higher fees because there's no indie/Bowery balancing out Live Nation and AEG.

Posted by panopticon | September 2, 2009 10:51 AM

I wish Bowery took over Hammerstein...so much better than T5!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 10:53 AM

"don't bitch, at least it's not LIVE NATION"

TRUE

Posted by bobby the rookie | September 2, 2009 10:55 AM

Thank Anom 10:25

"Now the guy's got Bowery as a partner. Any problems, he goes to Bowery. Trouble with the bills? He can go to Bowery. Trouble with the cops, deliveries, shitty bands he can call Bowery. But now the guy's gotta come up with the Bowery's money every week no matter what. Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? Fuck you, pay me. Place got hit by lightning huh? Fuck you, pay me."

---If you haven't seen Goodfellas 47 times and once this week this probably means nothing to you. If you have, this totally made your day.

Posted by mat | September 2, 2009 11:05 AM

"they dropped ticketweb for ticketmaster.."

10:45, What happened is that Ticket Web got bought by Ticket Master.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 11:06 AM

i agree that bowery is better than livenation/ticketbastard, but they do need an in-house ticketing system, aside from going to merc/MHOW. and don't kid yourselves - todd p fills a small niche, and with exception of vivian girls, hasn't produced much in the way of significant acts (selling out whatever new venue he opens this week doesn't count). still, as NYC gets more and more venues (shea stadium, littlefield, bruar falls, etc.), i wonder where all the acts to play at these places will come from (half of the bell house's programming is discussions or food related as is), and it's no surprise that brooklyn bowl will find it easier to fill a room with bowery as a partner. so a good business move, and probably good for fans as well. but with mercury as their smallest venue, BP isn't going to put the smaller guys out of business, and, well, if we have a local conglomerate controlling nearly every 500+ capacity space in town, it is way better than having AEG, live nation, ticket master, or any other multinational fucks.

all in all, i'm for it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 11:06 AM

9:25 hillarious

this was an inevitable alliance. the venue's fantastic and now theres a small step up between bowery/mhow and the (awful) terminal 5 in the bowery family. why's this a bad thing?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 11:12 AM

Bowery is a more "with it" corporate machine than Live Nation or AEG tastewise, it's true.

But with Terminal 5 they've shown that, even though they don't have the same restrictive, expensive union stagehand contracts that Roseland or Hammerstein have; Bowery would rather just make more bank and charge essentially the same ticket prices those places charge, as if the same inflated expenses are built into their deals too.

They had a chance to offer the city lower ticket prices for big shows, and they didn't take it. These are not people who will levy their monopoly to change anything about the system, they are solely in it for the money.

Nothing wrong with making money, but a visionary business will find a way to make money and make the community better at the same time. Bowery isn't that kind of company.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 11:13 AM

Will the shows continue to be 21+?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 11:22 AM

BP & BB = $$$perfect fit$$$


btw. $4 for a pint of Brooklyn Lager is overpriced?! you haven't been out much in the last 15 years, haven't you?!

Posted by un:ART:ig | September 2, 2009 11:26 AM

Bowery Presents vs. Live Nation in a bowling competition to determine who is the most corporate?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 11:29 AM

Brooklyn Bowl is really nice, if you like upscale beerhalls. I suspect it will fair just as poorly as Radegast Biergarten has. The condos aren't selling, I-bankers don't want to live on Williamsburg.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 11:29 AM

dude, Radegast is bumpin' all the time, at least on weekends. not that I go there thaaat often, but I pass it often enough.

Posted by un:ART:ig | September 2, 2009 11:31 AM

great another venue where the bouncers beat you up for passing otu flyers.

Posted by nygrump | September 2, 2009 11:35 AM

How can you even charge for a show here? Is there any division between the restaurant/bowling alley and stage sight lines?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 11:57 AM

I didnt see too many people complaining about T5 at the NIN shows. just give it a rest already.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 11:57 AM

Bowery Presents is worse than Live Nation. They are as corporate as Live Nation and have gone way out of their way to squash every indie promoter in the city. There is nothing cool or rock and roll about playing Bowery Venues or working with this company.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 12:01 PM

Josh Moore's hair alone could sell out 5 nights at T5!

Posted by yapsbandana | September 2, 2009 12:02 PM

Brooklyn Bowl partners on yet another component of their business - Brooklyn Brewery for beer, food by Blue Ribbon, shows by Bowery Presents. Now if only they can find a local partner to improve their bowling lanes with the strings attached to the pins.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 12:04 PM

"great another venue where the bouncers beat you up for passing otu flyers."

nobody wants your stupid flyers anyway

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 12:07 PM

dont know what you peops are talking about. I met the bowery's website guy, his name is chan, and he was nice as can be. he said he has been doing their website for ten years. in fact, he said, he wrote the program for java.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 12:12 PM

amen, 12:07!

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 12:27 PM

If Bowery Presents truly upsets you, start your own company! Or at least have a conversation with the smaller promoters and clubs, and even the bands, to see what we can all do to improve things in New York music.

David slaying Goliath, the underdog breaking through, yes! DIY lives on!

Posted by Regular reader | September 2, 2009 12:34 PM

BOWL-A-BEARD-A-RAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by beardofjross | September 2, 2009 12:37 PM

shows in a bowling alley? what a joke.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 12:43 PM

What do the bowlers think about all this? I think they've been unfairly marginalized in this debate.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 12:45 PM

12:43, do you have any friends?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 12:45 PM

Bowery has done everything in their power to squash the little guys in this city from calling cops on DIY loft shows to threatening agents with blacklisting if they decide to book in other rooms. Any time you see a show (or play) Bowery Presents you are feeding an evil, evil machine.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 12:50 PM

12:50 who told you this?! Vito Corleone??

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 12:57 PM

Bowery is indeed a corporate giant, but at least they have better musical taste than Live Nation and AEG. They are the whitest people on the planet and proud of it, but that's what indie rock is all about-being as white as possible. It just sucks because, along with JAY Z endorsing indie music's importance, this is yet another nail in the coffin for indie rock being able to fly high and strong without compromising to the watered down mainstream tastes. It is officially over. It is now mainstream folks. Get ready for higher ticket prices and terrible music that sounds even more like bands who rip their influences off already.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 1:05 PM

12:57 = Bowery Employee

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 1:12 PM

Bowery Presents is now the Starbucks of live music in NYC.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 1:26 PM

The oft-heard accusation that Bowery Presents tries to get underground venues shut down is bogus.

While there have been periods when some "legit" venue owners tried to tattle on the diy community and get underground spaces into trouble (sometimes resulting in people losing their homes, and/or teams of armed high strung undercover cops anxiously raiding harmless rock shows)... Bowery has never been the culprit, as far I can tell.

Bowery Presents appears to have shown admirable restraint in not abusing their pull with the authorities. On some level, they must realize that the scene, and their success, benefits from the incubator that the diy community represents.

While Bowery Presents aren't saints, they also aren't evil by any stretch of the imagination. They are savvy business people and they have good taste. I don't think consolidation is good for any local industry, especially artistic ones, but the fact remains that Bowery Presents have done a better job than many similar sized promotion companies do in other towns.

Posted by Todd Patrick | September 2, 2009 1:40 PM

Todd P defends Bowery? What is going on?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 1:55 PM

BV readers bitching about Bowery Presents? What else is new?

Posted by drewo | September 2, 2009 2:05 PM

meh

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 2:20 PM

Just check out the music scenes (and venues) in other cities, then start bitching about Bowery Presents.

Even after their changeover to Ticketmaster (from the Ticketmaster-owned Ticketweb) their service charges have not gone up much at all. Charging $3-$4 per ticket on a $20 ticket is pretty reasonable these days. Check out the service charges from 9:30 club in DC or TLA in Philly if you don't believe me!

Sure... Bowery books shows at venues like Radio City and Beacon that have crazy big service charges, but not much you can do about that.

And as far as the venues themselves.... Bowery Ballroom, Music Hall of Williamsburg and Mercury Lounge are all top notch. (that idiot who keeps commenting that MHOW is "soulless" needs to remove his head from his ass.) Webster Hall is generally ok... sometimes the sound blows chunks... but usually it's fine. It can also be extremely hot there. T5 isn't great.. but it's no worse than Roseland. At least it has a better bar than Roseland! And it's not in Times Sq!

As far as Bowery pressuring cops to bust DIY venues is nuts! Bowery books shows all the time featuring ToddP nurtured artists. How many Bowery bills have Vivian Girls been on in the past year? Or Titus? Or Wavves?

Calm down people... Bowery is ok... And no, I don't work for them.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 2:46 PM

"They are the whitest people on the planet and proud of it, but that's what indie rock is all about-being as white as possible"

@Anon1:05 - What kind of racist shit are you talking about?!? Jay Z attends an indie show and suddenly the cover is blown on indie rock's "whiteness" whatever the hell that means? Speaking as an African American person who loves many forms of music and has played in indie rock bands for years, you sound like a total idiot.

Posted by blackhat | September 2, 2009 3:08 PM

Todd P has spoken. Everyone refresh GVB and forget this all happened.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:09 PM

you know 2:46, maybe you shouldn't press your luck.

it's one thing to defend BP as a decent company, albeit not an exemplary one. but when you start getting into difficult to defend minutia like "$4 is a reasonable service charge for a $20 ticket," compared to specific clubs in other cities... and taking stands no unaffiliated commenter would ever make, ie: saying it's "idiotic" to point out mhow is souless... it becomes pretty fucking obvious that you work for the company.

I'm guessing Josh?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:24 PM

I've heard that Bowery Presents in partnering with the US Government to make soup illegal within 300 yards of all of their venues.

Also, LiveNation is selling Blender Theatre to Diet Sprite for $2000.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:26 PM

Terminal 5 fucking sucks and the security guards at bowery ballroom suck t0o- they stole my bowl and weed once!

fuck you Bowery mother fuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


oh yea also gotta add- webster hall technicians are fucking retards :)

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:34 PM

you're an asshole 3:24.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:34 PM

MHOW has almost as many days that they are closed as they do days that they have shows. So they give Josh Moore another venue to not book many shows at? Sounds like a genius plan to me!
With Josh booking, there will be plenty of nights where you can just bowl without having to hear a band play.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:36 PM

"Bowery books shows all the time featuring ToddP nurtured artists"

Ha ha ha ha ha... ToddP "nurtured" artists?!?! What the fuck does that mean? Does Todd nestle them to his breast?
Just because Todd books a band at some shitty loft space does not make him responsible for that band's success.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:40 PM

why can't anybody be positive? everyone is so fucking jaded....

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:44 PM

I think Todd P does a lot more than just book bands in a shitty loft space. And no... maybe he isn't responsible for their success, but he definitely helps make bands successful.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:49 PM

at the very least- I appreciate all the great artists that come through new york- looking forward to pixies and sonic youth in november.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:49 PM

So... everyone hates Live Nation. Everyone hates Bowery. I guess everyone hates Todd P. Is there a promoter out there that IS ok to like? The dudes from Cake Shop / Bruar Falls ok?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:50 PM

Todd P is the only thing that gives this scene a pulse. Why? Because he is not financially motivated. End of story.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:51 PM

I think I would be really into Todd P shows if there was ever a band that I considered decent. Nearly 100% of the bands that play Todd's shows SUCK beyond belief. It's a real shame. It could be a cool scene if it weren't for that little detail.... nothing artistically exceptional happening there. Sorry to say it... I wish it wasn't true.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 3:57 PM

Some of the best and most important bands in the country and NYC have all played Todd P shows in the last year...

Peaking Lights
Social Junk
Real Estate
Woods
Knyfe Hyts
Oneida
Lightning Bolt

...and many, many more. Todd P = the scene. Bowery/Livenation/Whatever = Not a scene, just a corporate monolith that exploits you for money and doesn't care about music.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:11 PM

Woa,

can't tell if 4:11 is trolling or has a myopic view of what's considered to be an important band nowadays.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:12 PM

What does myopic mean?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:16 PM

dictionary.com

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:28 PM

Peaking Lights
Social Junk
Real Estate
Woods
Knyfe Hyts
Oneida
Lightning Bolt


Those are some of the exact bands that I meant. With the exception of Lightning Bolt, whose drummer is very fun to watch. the others- suck.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:30 PM

The first time I saw Oneida and Lightning Bolt was at North 6. Before I ever heard of Todd P.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:32 PM

High places
Dirty projectors
Deerhunter
Woods
Matt and kim
Japanther
Titus andronicus
Black dice
Teengirl fantasy
Vivian girls
Crystal stilts
No age
Dan deacon
Ponytail
TV on the radio
Black lips
Wavves
Usaisamonster
Knyfe Hyts
Barr
Blank dogs
Growing
Young people
Gang gang dance
Blood on the wall
White magic
Parts and labor
Real estate
Meneguar
...

Todd P. had something to do with picking all of these bands plus lots more out of obscurity and helping make them a success. Sometimes he had a little to do with it, sometimes it was a lot, but they're all bands he championed before other people noticed them. Curating is an important job, don't knock the dude for it!

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:36 PM

He's the guy that helped all of those bands get popular?!?! I want to punch him in the fucking face!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:41 PM

What about the Shins?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:41 PM

Bowery=Jim=LiveNation

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:47 PM

Nice work 4:36. Todd P made your scene you fucking morons.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 4:58 PM

4:36

the majority of those band (practically all of them) are shit bands.
what's your point?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 5:01 PM

are you 12 years old 5:01?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 5:06 PM

My dad asked me if I had heard of Todd P because he had heard an interview on NPR with him. Pretty cool!

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 5:20 PM

Todd P=press whore

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 5:21 PM

Todd P=guy who didn't book 5:21's band

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 5:28 PM

"Bowery Presents is worse than Live Nation."

that statement is beyond laughable and way beyond clueless.


Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 5:33 PM

I heard Dick Cheney co-owns Bowery Presents which is really only a money laundering front for Haliburton

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 5:39 PM

i wonder how many negative comments about bowery and todd p come from people in shitty bands who can't get booked by either one.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 5:45 PM

Krallice
Marnie stern
Aa
Zs
Deradoorian
The good good
Tyvek
Cause comotion
These are powers
Fiasco
Health
Abe vigoda
Dum dum girls
Beach fossils
Javelin
Microphones

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 5:49 PM

challenge bowery to a shotgun contest. they will show you how to get corporate! Shirts off. let's party.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 6:10 PM

I hate every single band listed by 4:36 and 5:49.

I LOVE THE MIGHTY HIGH! GO GET 'EM WOODY -- THE ONLY REAL ROCK BAND IN BROOKLYN.

The rest are a bunch of PC emo wimps.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 6:12 PM

I heard that Dick Chaney and Yaps are actually the same person?!?!

Posted by zanderzanz | September 2, 2009 7:30 PM

Todd P is great and all that, but he ain't doing anything that hasn't been done at VFW halls, basements, and house shows from the 80s to the present. He needs to be careful b/c he has, unfortunately, been labelled the "democratic" and "anti-establisment" figurehead who has, well, taken on an unwieldy amount of responsibility when it comes to DIY and Brooklyn. Even he has to make decisions about what bands to book and on what nights. I know that he cancels shows that have been scheduled if a more audience-friendly show comes up on the same night for a venue. That said, the guy works hard and does a lot. I don't know if giving NPR and MTV interviews helps the scene in any way, however; in fact, we should all take the Discord route and just refuse to grant interviews . . . otherwise folks are elevated, even in interviews where they proclaim otherwise.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 7:52 PM

7:52, you've manipulated the pixels of my monitor but all I see is MEH MEH MEH

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 7:56 PM

7:52, where are you coming up with this stuff? Name one time Todd ever cancelled a show because something better came a lot. He'll do 2 shows in a night, but he doesn't cancel shit. He does tiny shows all the time.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 8:04 PM

...and I believe the label you are referring to is called "Dischord".

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 8:52 PM

bowery is the best venue in nyc

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 9:30 PM

"Todd P. had something to do with picking all of these bands plus lots more out of obscurity and helping make them a success. Sometimes he had a little to do with it, sometimes it was a lot, but they're all bands he championed before other people noticed them."

That's just not true. I like the guy and deeply appreciate what he does, especially compared to Bowery Presents, with whom unsigned bands have absolutely no shot at booking. But the fact of the matter is that even the bands that get on his shows have PR backing, industry connections, or both. Todd has a lot of pull, but he can't single-handedly break a band.

n top of that, he needs to make money too--if some no-name fucks from Bensonhurst want to play a show, but he can get Vivian Girls instead, guess who's going to play. It's a symbiotic relationship--the band is generally already with a label or PR firm, guaranteeing some sort of audience, and Todd scores the venue in a hip location and augments the audience. It's more democratic than Bowery and LiveNation, but no matter how much it's decentralized, the hierarchy never dies.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2009 11:47 PM

i heard bowery presents killed michael jackson. there is an investigation pending but they are trying to keep it hush hush. it is also fact that bowery presents doesnt even like music. they are only in it to get rich off all you hipsters. i heard they listen to rush limbaugh in their office and have never even listened to any of the bands they book.

Posted by barack obama | September 3, 2009 3:29 AM

I must say, I'm psyched on the Brooklyn Bowl/Bowery partnership. Caught a show there last night and loved the spot. Can't wait to go again!

Posted by Aimee | September 3, 2009 9:18 AM

"DIY" does not mean constantly doing interviews on whatever show or magazine asks you.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2009 10:31 AM

Your all retarded. Goodbye.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2009 11:34 AM

11:47 knows what he/she is talking about

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2009 11:49 AM

I bet you Bowery is investing in Todd P's new place hence the defense of their bullshit.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2009 11:53 AM

Wow! didn't take long for BB to cry mercy! So much for carving out your own unique niche. Isn't there enough to go around? I'm sure they see this as a win/win, but i see it as diluting something cool.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2009 12:24 PM

Brooklyn Bowl gave up fast. Luna Lounge gave up before they even opened. Why open a venue if you can't book it yourself? I give BB 1 year.... tops.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2009 1:47 PM

"I give BB 1 year.... tops."

naive

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2009 2:13 PM

I like live music.

Posted by Travis | September 3, 2009 10:24 PM

I love to read the defenders of all things Todd. They always sound exactly like what they are: defensive kids, choking back tears in their frustrated defense of their hero: "That's just not true. I like the guy and deeply appreciate what he does, especially compared to Bowery Presents, with whom unsigned bands have absolutely no shot at booking," sniffle, wipe one's nose, rub one's eyes. "Todd is great. Without him we'd be, well, nowhere at all. You just don't understand."

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2009 8:27 AM

actually, it really sounds the other way around. the attackers always sound a lot like, "well that guy gets a lot of attention and I don't... fuck that guy"

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2009 10:41 AM

and btw - who's up at 8:27am thinking "I better get up and post on a dry thread about Todd P and his defenders"?

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2009 10:44 AM

why you reading the dry thread then? You should be called Toadie for Todd P.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2009 1:38 PM

8:27 is also illiterate, seeing as the rest of that post was pretty critical of the same irrational praise of Todd that he/she is talking about

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2009 2:28 PM

What I see is one angry hater repeating the same line of bullshit over and over.

What's the fucking problem? Todd P books good lineups without ripping off the public or the bands. And they're all ages, which is nice. The hater(s) is somebody with an axe to grind.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2009 3:17 PM

This is a post about Bowery Presents basically owning the entire NYC indie show market from 250 to 3000 people and you guys are bitching about a diy booker who your biggest complaint about is that he does interviews? Get you head out of your ass!

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2009 3:37 PM

You know, if a company with as much investment money behind them as Brooklyn Bowl couldn't compete with Bowery Presents to snag tours, then that says something for how ruthlessly they must be yielding their (semi)monopoly.

Some alarm at this development would be justified.

Bowery may do a decent job ruling the indie scene at the moment, but the only thing that guarantees they will continue to do so is healthy competition. Brooklyn Bowl's speedy failure should make you question whether that competition will continue to exist.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2009 3:59 PM

Great guitar playing in Cold Spring song! Awesome!

Posted by Dan | September 11, 2010 11:44 AM

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