Posted in music | tour dates on October 6, 2009

by Bill Pearis

Bad Lieutenant

Bad Lieutenant, the band Bernard Sumner formed after New Order officially split three years ago, will make their New York debut at Webster Hall on November 21 -- tickets are on American Express pre-sale Wednesday, with general sale starting Friday (10/9). And according to Sumner in a Rolling Stone interview, Bad Lieutenant will also open for all four of Pixies' Doolittle shows at Hammerstein Ballroom that same week, though there has yet to be any official confirmation.

The band's debut album, Never Cry Another Tear, is out this week digitally and will be available in physical form next week. The line-up includes guitarists Phil Cunningham, who replaced founding member Gillian Gilbert in 2001, and Jake Evans who sings lead on a few of Never Cry Another Tear's songs. Live, Bad Lieutenant also features New Order drummer Stephen Morris, with Thom Chapman on bass. Sumner talked to Pitchfork about the new group:

Bad Lieutenant - "Sink or Swim"

Pitchfork: You've worked with a lot of respected artists in the past, so for this project why did you decide to collaborate with a newcomer, Jake Evans?

BS: Mainly, I wanted to work with someone I got on with. I came across Jake when we were at a friend's birthday party and he just got up and sang "Heart of Gold" by Neil Young. I thought, "He's got a lot of guts to do that." I got him a gig supporting New Order and was impressed by what I saw. So when we started working on the Bad Lieutenant sessions, I remembered him. Along with ability, personality is important, and I liked Jake because he wasn't too serious. If you start off writing an album with a band the reality is that you're constantly in each other's company so it's really important that you get on with each other.

Pitchfork: Do you think that factor has become even more important to you considering your recent rifts with Peter Hook about the breakup of New Order?

BS: Yeah, I didn't want to get into the situation where I was going to have to argue my case on every decision. You've all got this talk about great tension within a band-- like with John Lennon and Paul McCartney-- but it's bullshit really; you've all got to be pushing in the right direction. If your car breaks down and one person tries to push it the opposite direction to everyone else, what's that going to achieve?

Pitchfork: Now that New Order is ostensibly a thing of the past, is that liberating for you?

BS: It's very liberating. I always felt like there were always egos involved when I was trying to get music finished in New Order. Sometimes it would feel like I was running through water.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Never Cry Another Tear sounds a lot like '00s New Order... but without Peter Hook's signature melodic basslines. You may find yourself, like I did, making up your own Hook basslines while listening to it. While you have to give Sumner credit for not having the new bassist "play like Hooky," Bad Lieutenant are catchy but rather uninspired if you ask me.

The Bad Lieutenant live show, however, might prove a little more interesting longtime Sumner fans. In that same interview with Rolling Stone, Sumner said Bad Lieutenant would play songs from every era of his career -- Joy Division, New Order, Electronic (his side project with Johnny Marr), and even songs Sumner performed with The Chemical Brothers. Electronic only ever played a handful of shows early in their career (opening for Depeche Mode if memory serves) so it would be kind of cool to hear "Idiot Country," "Get the Message" and "Vivid."

For those who miss the dancey side of Sumner's music, he's also working on an album with Stuart Price -- aka Jacques Lu Cont of Les Rhythms Digitales and Zoot Woman, who has produced Madonna and The Killers -- a promising collaboration.

Meanwhile, Peter Hook's got his own new project, Freebass, which is a bass supergroup with Mani of Stone Roses and Andy Rourke of The Smiths. According to a recent MySpace bulletin, Freebass has finished mixing their debut album that features contributions from Bobby Gillespie, Liam Gallagher, Billy Corgan, Ian Brown, Rowetta, Tim Burgess and infamous drug smuggler Howard Marks who apparently raps on one song, which should be interesting.

Hacienda BookHook's also written a book which is out this week in the UK. The Hacienda: How Not to Run a Club which is an account of the rise and fall of the infamous Manchester club New Order owned with Factory Records honcho Tony Wilson from 1982 - 1997.

Peter Hook - Hacienda, How Not to Run a Club

Bad Lieutenant - 2009 Tour Dates
Tuesday, October 20: Brighton Digital, Brighton, UK
Wednesday, October 21: London Heaven, London, UK
Thursday, October 22: Manchester Ritz, Manchester, UK
Wednesday, November 4: Festival des Inrocks, Paris, France
Saturday, November 21: Webster Hall, New York, NY

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Comments (19)

I'm confused..Is Steven Morris playing with them or not?

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 12:08 AM

Harvey Keitel on drums.

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 12:17 AM

Is that Ricky Gervais?

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 12:20 AM

Anti Semite.

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 12:29 AM

Stephen Morris plays with them live, but doesn't seem to be an official member of the band.

Posted by bill p | October 7, 2009 12:45 AM

Sounds like Jake Evans is Bernard's new bottom. Too bad the pitchfork interviewer was too clueless to figure that out.
This new band playing JD and NO songs without Hook is going to be really awful.

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 1:33 AM

yaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy! pixies and bernies!

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 9:11 AM

Anyone got the presale code? I cant help I love New Order

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 10:07 AM

The first Bad Lieutenant single which I recently heard on a French magazine's compilation disc is very good. I think this could be a very interesting show.

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 10:33 AM

from that youtube video, they sound like hootie and his bar band.

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 10:44 AM

Would be cool to see Cold Cave, Crystal Stilts and all the other lame bands that have ripped off New Order/Joy Division open the show so Bernard can point and laugh at them.

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 10:59 AM

Based on all in this post combined with the Ian Curtis autograph forging, it seems like the score is currently Hooky 1 - Bernard 0.

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 1:29 PM

what's this about a Ian Curtis autograph forging?

also, ANON 1:33am - the discussion was about MUSIC, not someone's sexual preference. surprised you couldn't see that. but not surprised that you are a douche bag.

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2009 2:35 PM

2:35, its not about sexual preference, its about a musician with no integrity whatsoever partnering with a complete musical neophyte for reasons having nothing to do with the music. Meanwhile, the NO and JD legacies get shit upon. Grown the fuck up, grab a grip on reality and lose the self-righteousness and maybe you'll be able to see what this crappy new band is all about.

Posted by Anonymous | October 8, 2009 12:21 AM

His songs are pretty cool. I just don't like his lisp but he can't help it, so whatever.

Posted by luis vuitton | October 17, 2009 11:54 AM

As long as he's happy making the music he likes then it doesn't matter.

Who cares if these two guys are younger than him? As long as they get along and make music, then that's fine with me.

I like their music.

Posted by Anonymous | October 25, 2009 10:08 AM

I had a chance to listen to this cd and it is very good. If you like great guitar playing, synths and great melodies you will love this. There is not one bad song on this album, from start to finish this cd rocks, with great New Order style moments in it. Bernard Sumner is a musical genius who has worked with New Order, Electronic and Joy division. If you like this cd Please give New order and Electronic a listen and you will love it, also listen to the first Album By a band called MONACO called Music for Pleasure which is also very good (New Order side project). It is very sad that New Order broke up, let's hope they patch up their differences and make another album. Give the Bad Lieutenant a chance and you will love it.

Posted by Sunil | October 28, 2009 8:28 AM

tour is cancelled per ticketmaster

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2009 10:19 PM

Although Bad Lieutenant was formed after the splitting of New Order, they proved that they are really worth to have a place in the music scene. Let us support them because they are great musicians and most of them have already made a name in their previous band. So, let's continue loving them and their music as well.

Posted by boiler parts | May 8, 2010 1:22 AM

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