Posted in hiphop | music on November 22, 2010

Twisted Fantasy

To be clear, Kanye West is not Michael Jackson. As he told MTV last month, "I do have a goal in this lifetime to be the greatest artist of all time, [but] that's very difficult being that I can't dance or sing." He ended the thought with a laugh, but you get the impression he's not kidding. Unlike Michael, he's not interested in scrubbing away bits of himself-- his blackness, his candidness-- to appease the masses. And while Jackson's own twisted fantasies of paranoia and betrayal eventually consumed him whole, West is still aware of his illusions, though that mindfulness becomes increasingly unmoored with each newspaper-splashing controversy. The balance is tenuous, but right now it's working to his advantage. On Twisted Fantasy, Kanye is crazy enough to truly believe he's the greatest out there. And, about a decade into his career, the hardworking perfectionist has gained the talent on the mic and in the control room to make a startlingly strong case for just that.
[Ryan Dombal, Pitchfork, Best New Music]
PREVIOUSLY: NY Times says Kanye West 'seems virtually incapable of making a bad album'

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Comments (121)

Pitchfork gives high scores to so much disposable, unintelligent hip-hop. They ignore the real underground in favor of garbage with no content. Cool points? I think not!

Pitchfork is racist! Scared to not review or give poor scores to the aforementioned albums. Pitchfork will belittle and scrutinize the hell of out some up and coming indie post-punk band, but then gives a Waka Flocka Flame an 8.0....Total BS!

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:43 AM

The album is fantastic but that review is typical Pitchfork. 3 paragraphs of bullshit about Michael Jackson before actually talking about the album, which they don't even get into in any sort of detail.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:45 AM

@10:43 - have you actually heard the new Kanye album? it deserved the score it got.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:45 AM

This is hilarious in so many ways.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:46 AM

I have yet to hear an indie post-punk band this year that has gone hard in da paint.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:46 AM

for anyone leaving a bad comment/review of this album as a comment, please list very specific reference to the album or song. this is a great album and i'm sure 90% of you haven't even heard it.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:46 AM

A worthy capstone to 2010--that is to say, just another mediocre indie rock album.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:47 AM

Looks like Pitchkfork are paying Kayne back for playing their offline show at Brooklyn bowl

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:52 AM

I've heard the whole thing. So has everyone. Don't act like no one's giving him the respect he deserves. It's boring as hell and takes no risks. Monster, All of the lights, Power, that's it. The rest of it isn't even bad enough to be interesting.

I wanted it to be good. It's not that good.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:54 AM

This album deserves a 10/10, but I agree that Pitchfork's review is lacking. Way too much emphasis on the lyrics, without adequately recognizing some pretty stunning backing music.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:54 AM

@10:52 -- because Kanye really needs Pitchfork on his side!

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:57 AM

i guess that guy really liked it

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:59 AM

"Looks like Pitchkfork are paying Kayne back for playing their offline show at Brooklyn bowl"

That's a dumb thing to say. That show Kanye showed up at was the Fool's Gold anniversary. Fool's Gold is A-Trak's label. A-Trak was Kanye's personal DJ. Kanye did A-Trak a favor by showing up at his show, and A-Trak did Kanye a favor letting him make yet another pre-album promotional appearance.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:00 AM

@10:46--post some lyrics from the album please

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:02 AM

I agree with 10:54

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:03 AM

Album of the decade.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:07 AM

10:46 - I don't need to see Big Mommas House 2 to know it's a bad movie.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:08 AM

I never really listened to Kanye, but that song he performed at VMAs was great.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:11 AM

Best album from 1992 - 1994 ..period

Posted by Brug | November 22, 2010 11:12 AM

I don't know if this album deserves a full ten, but it's about as close to one as any album from the last decade so I won't argue with the score... As others have said though the review is pretty terrible, basically only talking about the lyrics when clearly the beats are the star of the album, which really just sums up Pitchfork for me. They're better than any other music publication in terms of introducing when it comes to the actual meat of the review, more often than not it's just pretentious bullshit.

Posted by Ragnar | November 22, 2010 11:18 AM

whatever...

Posted by Frederico | November 22, 2010 11:18 AM

WHY IS WHAT PITCHFORK SAYS NEWS ...OR EVEN WORTH A POST ON ANOTHER BLOG...

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:19 AM

Pitchfork only gives tens to albums that really align with their brand. There's nothing objective about it. The albums really hip--- and not much more to it than that. P4ks army will stand behind it.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:20 AM

I have listened to the album and Kanye is definitely a good producer and comes up with some creative tracks. He even sometimes uses instrumentation, dynamics, and chord progressions less commonly used in hip hop (or at least mainstream hip hop).

However, Kanye not only is a bland lyricist (let's have a toast for the jerkoffs that'll never take work off), but he lacks ability to deliver. Most of his rhymes are over-used, predictable and his rhythm rarely varies. His use of guitar also appears to come off as "genre-defying," but often just sounds simplistic (especially in Gorgeous). For argument's sake, Big Boi's album utilizes guitar in a more interesting manner (not to mention how much better of a rapper than Kanye he is).

Additionally, sampling Bon Iver and using Justin Vernon as a guest singer on Monsters seems like an obvious attempt to gain hipster-cred, however, it sounds disingenuous. There are much more tasteful ways to do this (ex: of Montreal on Janelle Monae's album). The sample of Woods in Lost in the World just sounds sloppy.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:24 AM

Blogs! Reporting on other blogs!

Posted by the internet | November 22, 2010 11:24 AM

how many album covers does this record have?!?

(do you like what i did there with the question mark/exclamation mark/question mark? i thought you might.)

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:28 AM

I forgot where I read but Kanye said that he's almost at the top of becoming the greatest rapper ever lol....he mentioned Eminem, Jay-Z, Lil Wayne and one more as the top 5 of all time....

This made me think.....I can think of other rappers/groups that are much more talented than Kanye....
1) Wu Tang
2) MF Doom
3) Tribe Called Quest
4) Atmosphere
5) Public Enemy
6) Run DMC
7) Black Star
8) Biggie
9) Nas
10) Your pick

Posted by Jonny Greenwood is the man | November 22, 2010 11:33 AM

11:08 - tou (muthaf--king) ché

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:34 AM

Pitchfork hasn't given a new album a 10 since 2002 so it's not like they're just handing these babies out. I think this album deserves it. One criticism I've noticed about their ratings over the past year is that more albums are getting 8.0s, which makes it look like they're trying to play it safe by saying something is good but may or may not end up on their year end list.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:36 AM

big boi's new album > kanye's new album

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:40 AM

10) Outkast!

Posted by Jonny Greenwood is the man | November 22, 2010 11:46 AM

11:33 for your #10 i'm gonna pick... KANYE.

10/10 deserved

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:47 AM

Kanye ain't got nothin' on Eazy E (RIP)

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:47 AM

I thought this album was awesome...then I realized I was actually listening to "Enta Da Stage"

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:57 AM

The same shitty website that churns out 8s for crap like Robyn and Lady Gaga giving this overrated shithead a 10? Bitchfork is really going down with the white line fever.


3.2 to all that mess

Posted by Ol' Skipper | November 22, 2010 11:58 AM

there are only 1 or 2 p4k 10s that i'd listen to even 1 track from

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:59 AM

By the way, one has to be a total jackass to give out a 10 to an album that has been produced by some 10 ou 12 guys, not only by the latest reincarnation of God. I pity the fools that think this album is better than Big Boi's or Raekwon's.

Posted by Ol' Skipper | November 22, 2010 12:02 PM

21st century schizoid man!!! brilliant.

Posted by me | November 22, 2010 12:05 PM

is there a way to see a complete list of records that have gotten a 10 from Pitchfork?

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 12:06 PM

Pitchfork gave Beyonce a 10/10 4 years ago.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 12:07 PM

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 12:11 PM

I consider myself an average hip-hop and rap fan with a high appreciation of music in general..... I've listened to the album a few times now and IN MY OPINION, it's a good album, not ground-breaking.

Obviously Kanye suffers from people thinking he's a douche....which maybe he is.

Enjoy the record if you want, but who gives a shit if someone you've never met gives the record a 10.

Posted by mr.tomato | November 22, 2010 12:14 PM

did you post this just so there could be a BV thread of comments about it

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 12:27 PM

I guess sampling King Crimson deserves some credit, but not this much.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 12:33 PM

OKAY WELL HERE'S A QUESTION - DOES PITCHFROK EVEN SAY WHAT THEIR CRITERIA ARE FOR RATING ALBUMS? OTHERWISE ITS A LOAD OF HIPSTER BS.

Posted by Arfin | November 22, 2010 12:33 PM

Albums rated 10.0
Initial release:
...And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead – Source Tags & Codes[26]
12 Rods - Gay? (EP)
Bonnie 'Prince' Billy – I See a Darkness
Bob Dylan – The Bootleg Series Vol. 4: Bob Dylan Live 1966, The "Royal Albert Hall" Concert
The Flaming Lips – The Soft Bulletin
Robert Pollard – Relaxation of the Asshole (In the review, this album received rating of (1)0.0, giving it a dual rating of 10.0 and 0.0.)[27]
Radiohead – Kid A[28] & OK Computer
Amon Tobin – Bricolage
Walt Mink – El Producto
Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Wilco – Yankee Hotel Foxtrot[29]

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 12:38 PM

lol at that list of rappers better than kanye. None of them have made an album as good as this in the last ten years...most of them in their entire career. Just another BV deuche who latches onto dated old school hip hop from a time they weren't even listening to music. I'm not defending some of the terrible mainstream rap that's around today but 2pac and Biggie aren't the end all be all of hip hop anymore...get the fuck over it.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 12:41 PM

Imagine if Kanye and Radio collaborated on an album...Pitchfork.com would probably implode while Ryan Schreiber's head would explode.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 12:42 PM

imagine if dr. seuss dropped an album?

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 12:46 PM

who fuckin cares.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 12:48 PM

This is truly a joke and further shows that pitchfork knows absolutely NOTHING about what good hip hop is. yes, the record is good by todays standards, but please, a 10? are you kidding me? I'd love to hang out with their "so called" hip hop writer and drop some knowledge.

Posted by The Phurious One | November 22, 2010 12:56 PM

"big boi's new album > kanye's new album"

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 1:01 PM

This is the making of a masterpiece,
So we broke out the chains and told the Master PEACE

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 1:15 PM

I love a thing that is about how awesome said thing is

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 1:18 PM

Kanye isn't hip-hop, Kanye is pop star. He should be compared to Janet Jackson and Lance Bass, not Biggie and Nas.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 1:19 PM

yea, it's good, especially for a mainstream star, but a 10? A perfect album. No! My biggest beef with Pitchfork is why waste space reviewing this, it doesn't need the press, and there are so many deserving artists that could use the exposure. Same thing with Kings of Leon. Everyone knew they were going to trash it, so why bother? Review some obscure band instead of a predictable trashing of a band who doesn't need their support...

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 1:20 PM

The long trail to Rolling Stonedom awaits you, Pitchfork. I just wish you'd get there faster.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 1:25 PM

"I love a thing that is about how awesome said thing is"

shut the fuck up with your "said ____" expressions. fucking hate that.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 1:34 PM

I HATE KANYE BUT 10 IS WELL DESERVED

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 1:41 PM

The entire practice of their asinine and dust-kicking rating system is the real bogusness here. Tell me what the album sounds like and get the fuck on with it. Decimals!

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 1:42 PM

I'm convinced that the Scott Plagenhoef editor dude went to high school with kanye in chicago and he owes him some friend debt or something. maybe that would explain this garbage.

http://pitchfork.com/news/29909-lollapalooza-report-sunday-scott-plagenhoef/

was this was written by an adult who grew up on indie rock or a 13 year old glee fan? you decide

"OK, I get that this is the Kanye West that people hate, but...hey, he's right. What's more, his cockiness, his drive-- this is exactly what makes Kanye West the world's best pop star. It's what makes him one of the few capital-I Important people making big, communicative music. It's what drives him to experiment and explore with his sound, to seek and assimilate ideas from relatively unusual sources such as Jon Brion or Ed Banger. It's what makes him-- between his "SNL" freestyle, his stage-storming showdown with Justice, his "Stronger"/"Hey Mama" Grammy performance, and that very real and, yeah, brave Katrina reaction-- the only current pop star worth watching at every turn."

Posted by j women | November 22, 2010 2:00 PM

1:34, you would absolutely hate books

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 2:09 PM

I think the writer was drunk, tired or both when he assigned his numerical rating and failed to put the decimal point in there.

New Kanye album 1.0

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 2:28 PM

10:43 - are you saying Pitchfork doesn't care about black people?

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 3:05 PM

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 3:07 PM

IMA A FAT MUTHA FUCKA

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 3:13 PM

Yo dat kanye album is da best meng ok betta den 2PAC? yo ya noe ya white ppl be buggin ya hurd?

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 3:23 PM

I like turtles.

Posted by Jonathan | November 22, 2010 3:28 PM

Kanye likes hummus?

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 3:37 PM

amazing album

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 3:41 PM

Go away, my shiz is mo jon blaze than his

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 3:41 PM

hummus

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 3:48 PM

anyone who likes kanye's new record is bad at liking music

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 3:56 PM

I just wanna say. Does anyone not realize that a 10 makes it a PERFECT ALBUM (by p4k's standard)?
Webster describes Perfect as: excellent or complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement.

Really? Perfect? Complete beyond improvement.
Sgt. Pepper, Dark Side Of The Moon, Slanted and Enchanted, Honky Chateau, OK Computer.

Those are the only records that come close to perfect. And even those have a misstep here and there I'm sure (though I've yet to find them).

I'm sure this is a great record.. but PERFECT? Come on.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 4:16 PM

Was with you until you slipped Honky Chateau and S&E in there. Tsk tsk.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 4:23 PM

Nah dude those records RULE!
Anyway, point is those records broke major boundaries. This is a very, very good record. But it is hardly perfect musically (let's be honest, who the fuck are we or Pitchfork to say that, anyway?) and certainly not breaking down any walls in music. It's just a really good record.
AND THAT'S FINE!

but please don't fucking call it perfect.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 4:27 PM

I like the parts where he talks about how great he is and how he has sex with a lot of girls. Truly innovative.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 4:50 PM

Kanye is the prime example of what's wrong with today's hip hop

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 5:07 PM

pitchfork likes to give friends high marks. needless to say, their reviews are not very relevant anymore.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 5:16 PM

how many points did they give King Crimson?

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 5:23 PM

remember back when hip hop was good? yeah, me neither.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 5:23 PM

I truly have lost all respect for pitchfork...

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 5:44 PM

"their reviews are not very relevant anymore"

I wish that were true

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 6:00 PM

you know what? it deserved the 10

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 7:11 PM

Let's all argue in absolute terms about subjective stuff! Yeah!

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 7:40 PM

Coming from a Kanye fan... this album isn't perfect. My honest rating is a 9.4/10, which still constitutes as a truly great album, no doubt. I haven't heard something this creative in mainstream hip hop in... well, maybe ever. But there are some low points (i.e. Runaway, Lost in the World, etc.)

Quick note: Do you guys realize that Pitchfork isn't the only magazine who's been praising this album? Its current Metacritic score is 100, based off of 16 reviews. That's pretty incredible, if you think about it.

Posted by Wu-Tang Forever | November 22, 2010 7:41 PM

*Correction* Pitchfork isn't a magazine... I'll say they aren't the only CRITICS who have been praising this album.

Posted by Wu-Tang Forever | November 22, 2010 7:42 PM

Two things

1)Obvs Pitchfork is relevant otherwise there would be no comments to this post.

2)Nobody commented on the mustache'd Olive cover. That is the true crime here.

@7:41 - Of course nobody realizes that. There is no context or perspective to speak of in the BV comments section. P4k is the sun and it is at the center of hipster bullshit universe.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 7:50 PM

I heard Kanye makes a unique blend of hummus. I heard he uses malt liquer in place of olive oil.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 8:09 PM

OK Computer has aged very poorly by the way.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 9:55 PM

The only albums that deserve a 10 over the last decade are: all the Fall Out Boy albums, Taylor Swift's Fearless, and maybe The Best of David Bowie.

Posted by Venkman | November 22, 2010 10:19 PM

"OK Computer has aged very poorly by the way." - This is fair.

Also, that 100 points on Metacritic is a little odd, given a number of the reviews are '90', and apparently they don't bother to do a proper average.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:31 PM

any of you ever thought this album WASNT MADE FOR YOU? after all, if you're a fan of 90% of the bands written about on this site, you're probably not the intended listener. jus sayin.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:45 PM

Don't know about the 10, but that King Crimson sample is way cool. Worth about 4.5 just by itself.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 10:57 PM

*kanyeshrug*

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2010 11:15 PM

HA!

Kanye's track Blame Game is a rip off of SNL's Ahmadinejad skit Iran So Far:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/16771/saturday-night-live-snl-digital-short-iran-so-far

Which is a rip off of Aphex Twin's Avril 14th:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBFXJw7n-fU

Posted by Cee Ess | November 23, 2010 12:42 AM

The Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy broked the cruse of the album KID A.
It opened a new era.

Posted by Anonymous | November 23, 2010 3:46 AM

The album is a 9.0 - not a 10.0.

That reviewer at RapReviews got it spot on when he said that this might be Kanye's best and most respect-worthy album, but it won't be many people's favorite one.

Posted by Tony | November 23, 2010 9:41 AM


gay fish.

Posted by brandonmetal | November 23, 2010 9:55 AM

i love fishsticks.... i love putting fishsticks in MY MOUTH.

Posted by Anonymous | November 23, 2010 10:01 AM

some words sound similar to other words.

Posted by Anonymous | November 23, 2010 12:24 PM

BETTER THAN KID A!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 23, 2010 12:54 PM

I love Guided By Voices and Kanye West. It is all I will ever need to listen to.

Posted by Anonymous | November 23, 2010 12:57 PM

PITCHFORK GOT IT RIGHT THIS TIME! A PERFECT 10. There is no better album!

Posted by Pfork is never wrong! | November 23, 2010 12:59 PM

Why listen to anything other than Kanye West and Guided By Voices? Both RULE.

Posted by Anonymous | November 23, 2010 12:59 PM

I love the Kid Cudi jam! Monster is awesome too!

Posted by fan | November 23, 2010 1:02 PM

That's some rad ass artwork! Go Kanye!

Posted by Anonymous | November 23, 2010 1:03 PM

New info- Bob Dylan will make an appearance tonight at Bowery Ballroom for 1 jam.

Posted by the scoop | November 23, 2010 1:05 PM

wow people STILL take Kanye seriously??? UN-REAL

Posted by Anonymous | November 23, 2010 5:58 PM

people are mad that other people are mad that pitchfork gave it a 10. they say things like, "if you listened to the whole album then you know it deserves a ten."

Posted by Anonymous | November 23, 2010 7:20 PM

You can't compare this to conventional hip-hop because that's exactly what it isn't.
The album has great ideas and production but
generally pretty standard raps.
Musically maybe it's a 9/10. But also take into consideration the videos, the cover art ideas, the masterful generation of hype for the album, then yeah maybe THAT is a '10'.

It's arguable whether we should be reviewing an album on more than purely its musical quality but that is what's happening at Pitchfork.

Posted by h | November 24, 2010 4:56 PM

Review sucked, but I honestly can't think of a better hip hop album that came out this year (underground or mainstream).

Posted by Devyn | November 30, 2010 11:21 PM

roc marciano - 'marcberg'

Posted by Anonymous | November 30, 2010 11:31 PM

OK the LA Times compared Kanye West to Picasso and MBDTF to Cubism. Like honestly that's just bullshit.

I thought the album was fantastic, though. But comparing those two just doesn't make sense.

Posted by Ronducular | December 1, 2010 11:54 PM

Who is Kanye West?

Posted by AK47 | December 3, 2010 1:23 PM

fuuucking hell, pitchfork has to be the most fucking pretentious hipster reviewer ever.

They give this crap a 10? this is fucking awful. What's really insulting is they give muse like a 4 because they're 'mainstream'.

Not to mention they gave that aeroplane over the fucking sea a 10. WHAT THE FUCKS THAT SHIT. Oh sorry only what, 6? people knew about that album before pitchfork reviewed it.

Not to mention they're reviews are fucking retarded and only a university student learning a* level 3 english could understand what the fuck they're talking about.

They don't even talk about the fucking music they just go on about some shit about how the bands past is and what they've done.

WHAT THE FUCK?

Posted by Anonymous | January 5, 2011 7:50 AM

when i first listened the album i thought it was just a bunch of crap. then saw the album of the year on pitchfork and thought wow pitchfork is retarted wtf? the high rating made me like the album even less. then it started to seap in, just recently. and its not total crap. its pretty good, i also dont consider myself much of a rap fan. but defintyl defintly not album of the year. wtf

Posted by Anonymous | February 11, 2011 1:28 AM

Kanye has a ghost writer. And his beats are produced by other people too.

Posted by Anonymous | February 11, 2011 1:38 AM

the fuck?

Posted by what | February 28, 2011 10:34 PM

I was not impressed with this album. It lacked depth, most of the samples were just depressing dark ominous noises. The rhymes were solid, but did not really pop off the track. I think that the best thing he could do is just go back to the styles he used on his first three albums. Great samples, well timed rhymes and lyrics, and overall good songs.

I spot My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy a 6.0 out of 10.

Posted by Anonymous | March 3, 2011 5:28 PM

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