Posted in music | venues on September 9, 2011

Bassist/composer Tom Blancarte sent out the following message:

"Breaking news to all musicians in NYC who might be playing at University of the Streets in the East Village:

I just played there with Talibam!, Tim Dahl and Moppa Elliot, and when we were finished, the owner and her son told us that we owed them 50 dollars. When we told them we didn't owe them anything, her son punched my friend Kevin in the face with keys in his hand! He came close to losing his left eye! Please boycott this place, they are bad, bad people."

His friend Kevin is Kevin Shea of Talibam! who posted the above picture of the damage to his own Facebook where he also wrote "Just wanted to say a huge thanks so much everyone for your support and notes!! I really appreciate it ... Thanks for all your advice too. Totally insane night." Check out the comments people are leaving on the venue's Facebook (thx Joly).

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Comments (153)

I wanna hear the owners side of this!

IMMEDIATELY

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 12:48 AM

"the owner and her son told us that we owed them 50 dollars."

...for?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 12:52 AM

I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of the story.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 12:54 AM

Most people with black eyes deserved said black eyes. Can't wait to hear the other side of this.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 12:58 AM

Kevin Shea is a sweetheart and not the type of dude to be getting in fights. That being said:

Can't wait to hear the other side of this.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:02 AM

doesn't matter WHAT the other side is. Punching somebody in the face with your keys is NOT called for in any kind of money dispute. and over 50 bucks?????? really??? That is scarily close to his eye. So over 50 bucks dude was gonna poke someone's eye out? really?

This isn't the first time this place has been weird about money. I heard a story not long ago about someone playing there, them not doing a proper door count, refusing to pay, and then telling the band, "if you can go find the people and bring them back we can pay you".

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:06 AM

of course it's the drummer...

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:10 AM

"doesn't matter WHAT the other side is."

It always matters, you idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:14 AM

East Village Kings STILL UNDEFEATED!

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:16 AM

todd p is so pissed, never inviting university of streets to any scene parties AGAIN

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:26 AM

Jazz makes people go crazy, man.

Posted by Trustfund Gary and the Dorm Bro Code | September 9, 2011 1:31 AM

I've never heard of this place, so I will continue my lifelong boycott of it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:34 AM

Red Sox/Yankees argument gone awry.

Posted by The Owner's Son | September 9, 2011 1:36 AM

haha @ 1:34

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:55 AM

The owner and her thug son sound like real losers. Of course get a lawyer.

Is 1:16 AM making some gang reference or is this a stupid joke.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 2:47 AM

Looks like they gave him the ol' back-alley treatment. I haven't seen a working over like that since Moe Stein and his gang left town. Just when these streets were starting to look a little bit safe, too.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 4:03 AM

"Mÿche Worth: Someone better have a DAMN good TEAM of lawyers after what just happened..."

midwest american little boys who grew up to be scared of lawyers and law suits.
the place wouldn't even one lawyer...
no wonder you lose every damn war at the last 60 years, nation of wussies.

Posted by eretz tzion | September 9, 2011 4:56 AM

the place wouldn't even one lawyer...

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 7:51 AM

This dude had to have said something out of line to the dudes mom. We don't have both sides of the story. I know if someone disrespected my mother they would be sporting stitches and a black eye too. I really doubt it went down the way it says in this article. I can almost guarantee that dude in the pic got mouthy and disrespectful. Are there any other instances of this sort of thing happening at this venue? I've never heard anything... Don't be so quick to judge.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 8:12 AM

i said whooooa wilson some day ill kill you til you die
whooooaa wilson
PUNCH YOU IN THE EYE

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 8:14 AM

1. I've never heard of this venue and I've lived here for 30 years.

2. If you going to propose a massive boycott of a venue you should probably provide a better account of what happened and not a short paragraph consisting of two sentences and giant holes.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 8:18 AM

"doesn't matter WHAT the other side is"

idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 8:19 AM

University of the Streets ... what did the fairy jazzboy think that means? Next he'll go to the School of Hard Knocks and bitch about getting a lump on his head and someone stealing his dame.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 8:21 AM

That is truly messed up, particularly regarding the person who got hurt! Kevin is such a nice and easygoing dude and truly and invaluable and original musician. Thank God he didn't lose his eye.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 9:07 AM

if the other side was justified why did the dude that did the punching run away and hide after he did it?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 9:09 AM

The other side is that there is a contract which states that the first 5 patrons go to the club @ $10 (not really a club) after that the band gets 70% of the door and the club gets 30%. That means if no one shows up the band owes the club $50. Bad deal but a deal is a deal. There is no excuse for hitting someone though no matter what.(unless they diss your mother)

Posted by Sam | September 9, 2011 9:18 AM

Yep. No excuse whatsoever. Some asshole resorts to punching someone (physically unprovoked) and nearly taking their eye out. Over a measly fucking $50. I hope that guy eventually goes broke and has to live poor and out on the streets. Maybe that'll change his perspective a little.

A deal is a deal, but money can turn people into scum, even relatively small amounts.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 9:24 AM

yo mama so stupid she thinks sleigh bells is a hummus-eating phone company

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 9:29 AM

Wow Talibam can't draw 5 people.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 9:31 AM

"This dude had to have said something out of line to the dudes mom. We don't have both sides of the story. I know if someone disrespected my mother they would be sporting stitches and a black eye too. I really doubt it went down the way it says in this article."

I agree. The black eye was probably not over money, but over something he said. You disrespect my mother and a black eye would be the least of your worries.

Where were his friends in all of this? Oh, that's right, they didn't come.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 9:36 AM

I wish someone would try to punch me in the face!!! just try it!!!!!!

Wait.

Forget it.

I don't want that. If I could play Jazz music I would want that, but I love metal and we are secret pansies.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 9:39 AM

the hospital bills the venue will have to pay are going to be more than the 50 bucks, should have let it go. At the very least ban them from playing there if they won't pay it... but you don't attack someone with keys, even if they "said something". That's high school shit.

the other point here people. DON'T PAY TO PLAY!!! that's what this is. it's bad enough when clubs won't give you any door up to a point, it's another if they charge you ANYTHING. They are making money elsewhere, don't let it fool you.

There ARE venues in NY that give you straight door percent from person 1, it's doable. I also find it funny that the University of the Street websites (incl. facebook, twitter, etc) didn't even mention this show. So... they kind of dropped the ball on their end too

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 9:42 AM

Aren't Talibam local. If they can't find 5 people to show up, that's speaks volumes about their character.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 9:50 AM

reminds me of why i hate playing in the LES. such a chore to get people out. overpriced drinks/cover. tired of Manhattan.

Posted by the jim | September 9, 2011 10:06 AM

never heard of this place, just might have to check it out now.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 10:10 AM

I hope Kevin press charges. I understand the guy who hit him had keys in his hands. So it's assault and battery with a weapon.

As for people saying that Kevin insulted this guys Mother. Well, OK maybe I would hit someone too who insulted my Mother but, the difference is that I would do it like man. I would tell the guy to first take off his glasses because I was going to beat the shit out of him. I would not cold cock punch him in the face with keys in my fist like a pussy.

Posted by Steve Bender | September 9, 2011 10:12 AM

the band owed $50 for all the hummus they ate.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 10:12 AM

i dont seem to see any members of talibam! (shea & mottel) calling for a boycott- rather it is the community of WORKING musicians who called for a boycott out of concern.

character and rainy night club draw are soooooo unrelated. this immediate community response and out pouring of musicians camaraderie speaks to the character of talibam! and the level of horror over the violence at university of the streets.

Posted by violence is never the answer | September 9, 2011 10:17 AM

Not the first time i've heard the door people of Univ. of the Streets be sketchy about money. Its a venue that is curatorial, nobody that played that night booked the show. They were asked to come play that someone from Univ. of the Streets picked to curate the month.

To find out its the owners son, what a fucking pussy move. Let's play thuglife, like in the music videos. Its one thing to lose your cool and hit someone, its malicious intent on permanently injuring somebody when you hit with keys inbetween your fingers, like some makeshift brass knuckles, and in this case if he hit about one inch higher, his eye would have been punctured by metal keys. His LEFT EYE WOULD HAVE BEEN BLIND! You can't fix that shit. That pussy ass mutha fucker deserves an ass beating that he probably won't get, but the lawsuit should sit nicely.

They don't care about music or musicians, we have enough venues who share they're philosophy in scum york as it is

BOYCOTT UNIVERSITY OF THE STREETS

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 10:18 AM

It was a horrendously rainy nite at an unadverised show at a venue that no one goes too.... go see talibam! At dba on 9.11.... terror in space

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 10:18 AM

I booked Talibam! over in Hamburg and there was definitely an audience, not all the info is in this article so don't jump to any conclusions without having all the facts.
From my end I can only say they are a bunch of great guys, friendly, articulate, and I will have them over any time.
Whatever was said in the heat of an argument, if anything like that even happened, it doesn't warrant physical violence, and certainly not excessive like using a fistful of keys on someones face. That is crossing a few lines and then some.

Posted by CCW | September 9, 2011 10:22 AM

I am now providing free self defense lessons to any interested musicians.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 10:28 AM

1:16's comment rules. if you don't get it, you haven't been on the internets long enough.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 10:29 AM

People are always at jazz shows regardless of who's playing, so I kind of doubt that less than five people showed up.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 10:32 AM

anyone else find the name of this club/bar fucking ridiculous? university of the streets? gimme a fucking break. im gonna open a coffee shop called school of hard knocks right next to my gym, a rock and a hard place. fucking gay.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 10:43 AM

Wow, I had no idea so many street thugs and violent trash frequent this website: "You disrespecta' my motha' and i a gunna fucka you uppa..."

What is this, immigrant NYC in 1940?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 10:53 AM

DO YOU KNOW HOW EYES WORK?? LOOK AT HIM! THATS FUCKING THUG SHIT.

IS THIS THE OLD TESTAMENT ??


FUCK ALL OF YOUR HATER-ASS MOTHERS IN THEIR WORTHLESS WHORE FACES


Also never heard of this place...

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 11:17 AM

"You should see the other guy"

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 11:19 AM

university of the streets is kind of a presumptuous name for a club. or, apparently, maybe not.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 11:21 AM

Having been the victim of a violent crime, I can say that the scars go far deeper than just the physical abrasions. You feel violated and vulnerable, and I would not be surprised if this guy is in need of some cracker jack therapy to help him deal with the fear.

That in mind, I think he looks kinda like a punk in that picture and I might pop him one too if I saw him. Just saying.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 11:30 AM

the october curator is already moving all of his shows for the month to another venue.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 11:30 AM

who is the october curator?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 11:35 AM

It's ICP.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 11:38 AM

Kirk Knuffke is the Oct curator he mentioned on his facebook that he's putting all of his shows somewhere else.

also, there was already a lot of musicians that would not play there. this just sealed it for a lot of them

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 11:40 AM

chilled with them at maxwells. cool guys. they love what they do.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 11:43 AM

Captain Frohawk to the rescue!

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 11:52 AM

So, there are open slots for me and my band? Great! I'll just bring my two fighting dogs to the gig, as usual, in case any mama's boy punk wants to get wise and try to stiff us. That G will learn quick that kind of unneeded drama comes with consequences.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 12:04 PM

I just came EVERYWEHRE

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 12:12 PM

Doubting the keys claim. Just a good a$$whipping.
On a side note, moms can be disrespected if they are disrespectful first.

Posted by JimmyJack | September 9, 2011 12:31 PM

awesome the venue no one ever heard of will get shut down. good riddance

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 12:34 PM

Isn't this the usual commencement ceremony for University of the Streets?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 12:45 PM

all conflict would have been abated if the attacker had said, "talibam" while he was punching. or, if the venue had paid artists money they deserved. slimeballz

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 12:53 PM

"this immediate community response and out pouring of musicians camaraderie speaks to the character of talibam! "

A bunch of people signed a online petition from the comfort of their house by typing a few keys on a keyboard. Wow, awesome response. I would like to see someone actually DO something.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 12:54 PM

I have played in crappy no name bands all my life and even I am able to get 10 people out to red hook on a cold winter night. They could not get 5 friends?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:00 PM

HOLY SHIT!!! Henry Rollins just tweeted about this!

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:14 PM

University of the What? I LIVE in the EV and I've never heard of this place

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:14 PM

Old New York...

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:19 PM

Anyone want to picket this place?

I kinda want to start a fight with boy/man

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 1:45 PM

For those of you who have never heard of University of the Streets, I'm amazed. It's certainly nothing to brag about, that's for sure. The venue has been around for years and been providing opportunities, both for playing and studying, for many budding musicians. I first heard about it through the efforts and participation of the legendary pianist, Barry Harris. I know he has to be extremely upset by this recent event. To be clear, I am in no way condoning such behavior on the part of the owner or whomever. It is a major negative for all.

Posted by Valerie | September 9, 2011 1:56 PM

1:45: Should get Fred Phelps and Co. to picket, just for a goof.

(I'm kidding...... mostly)

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 2:14 PM

"Most people with black eyes deserved said black eyes." - Anonymous

This is such an idiotic comment that I don't blame you for not signing your name to it. Yeah, all those abused wives/girlfriends were just asking for it.

Posted by Peter MacDonald | September 9, 2011 2:18 PM

It sounds like the owners were mad that no one showed up for the gig and had expected fifty dollars from the first five patrons, who never came. Sounds like the band mouthed off and the owners punched the drummer. Not okay to do, and I'm not condoning violence, but there are always two sides to a story. The jam sessions that used to go down there with george braithe were great, and the barry harris classes helped as lot of people. It would ne nice to hear the other side before one mistake ruins a venue.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 2:31 PM

his is a fairly DIY venue run by humans who do it for the arts, not some alcohol trust. The venue has a policy that the first 5 entries go to the venue. I know for a fact the curator this month knows about this policy, so if he didn't tell the band, it is his fault. really, if a band can't bring in 5 people, especially someone of talibam's alleged audience, that is kind of pathetic. I've seen some amazing talent where I'm the only person there, and the band plays for me like there was 100, and I wonder, why isn't anyone here, then I go downstairs and see the rinky dinks buying their $15 cocktails masturbating into their texting devices and I understand why the east village sucks so much because it has been gentrified into a college town for drunks.

Posted by nygrump | September 9, 2011 2:43 PM

@2:43 saadia, is that you?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 2:47 PM

I think it's safe to say that Colin P. Fitz will no longer be patronizing this venue.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 2:53 PM

so if no one goes to this place, and no one has heard of it is it ok to say that the boycott starts now? technically haven't people already been boycotting this place?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 2:54 PM

@2:43

none of that matters. you don't settle disputes by going apeshit on someone's face. if it wasn't self defense by the owner's son then he should be charged w assault.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 2:57 PM

^ actually it's more likely battery.

Posted by mr. lawyer guy | September 9, 2011 3:07 PM

@ 2:54

No, a boycott is a political action, what you're referring to is a personal preference.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 3:13 PM

I'd like to see the people here that are justifying violence, look at it from the other perspective. But of course they won't.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 3:27 PM

Yes, battery, you're right. the marks on the drummer's face don't look like they were made by keys either. I can't see any puncture marks or scratches which would be indicative of keys making contact w one's face. looks like a brass knuckle beating to me. btw, never in all my life have I've seen, or heard of, a guy fighting w his keys. bitches, yes, guys, no.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 3:28 PM

Musicians, this issue is larger than just one venue. As of late many venues have been popping up with attendance minimums or even pay-to-play open mic nights. Artists should NOT be forced to pay to make venues money. We are the entertainment! They should be paying us! Expand this boycott not only to this venue, but to any venue that thinks they can extort money from smaller bands. They are already taking your money! Let's put an end to it. We are the ones with the power.

Posted by TheEndMen | September 9, 2011 3:39 PM

I kind of feel bad now for sneaking in to this show.

Posted by Ryan Gentles | September 9, 2011 3:39 PM

keys could have made a puncture wound that required those stitches - nicely done stitches by the way! If the keys were going for the eye I wonder if it could be a larger charge like intent to maim? If not, maybe someone could name their new band "Intent to Maim"?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 3:42 PM

The douche nozzle probably had the keys sticking out of his hand (partially) so that when he punched him, he knew the keys would do significant damage, but also that it could just be passed off as an accident (because he could just use the cover up of "the keys just happened to be in my hand that I punched him with").

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 3:56 PM

I wouldn't call intent to maim, unless they're was a sustained attempt to gouge the guy's eyes or a prolonged beating. keys, imo, would not cause that massive welt, or the he very straight wound that required the stitches. the facial trauma doesn't look irregular in pattern (keys), but very clearly looks like it was caused by 3 or 4 sharp blows from a blunt object.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 4:03 PM

These musicians who played are all part of large NYC community, they play in A LOT of bands, these are my mentors and co-conspirators. They've played said venue more than handfuls of times. Ive seen Talibam draw a shit ton of people before. Like them or not, there's a reason they created that project, and they do have a wide fan base.

The fact that people have spoken to the door person's alleged stealing of door money prior to this incident doesn't speak much for the venue's priorities. Univ ofthe Streets is certainly not the type of place you have to sign a contract or guarantee to play there. Ridiculous.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 4:11 PM

I played the show before Taliban but was not there for this incident. The physical violence makes me nauseous but I have seen some negative posts about the curator who happens to be Steve Dalachinsky this month. I want to set the record straight!!! Steve was very clear in an email to all of us performing this month about the deal and even allowed us the opportunity to drop out if we didn't like it or agree to it so this has nothing to do with Steve.

Posted by Jim Pugliese | September 9, 2011 4:13 PM

fuck pay to play.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 4:29 PM

All the venue asks is that you bring in 5 people. Its not too much to ask since they don't have an extensive bar and lincoln center arts funding. Good to hear Steve D. did clearly communicate this so its on the Talibam people for breaking the agreement.

Posted by nygrump | September 9, 2011 4:59 PM

Anyone who'd punch someone in the face with their keys over some saying something about thier mom is a moron should grow up. Is this article thread being invaded by 14 year olds? Are you grown men? Do us all a favor and don't reproduce...

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 5:03 PM

@4:59 Hi Saadia. is your son in jail yet?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 5:03 PM

young bands are so desperate to play shows, hoping that somebody "important" will be there to recognize their "brilliance", that they will accept any shitty deal like this. surely not the case with talibam, however.

young musicians need to grow some balls and stick to their ethics (by turning down bad show offers) so that these predatory practices used by venues to make a buck END. if you make music that you think is good, then stand behind it and don't sell it to the first shyster who emails you.

one "promotor" once told me in a cold-call email that they don't promote shows because only the bands' friends show up anyway. nice fucking attitude.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 5:10 PM

The more I see that picture at the top of the post, the more I want to punch that face my own self. Damn!

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 5:34 PM

Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Posted by Regular reader | September 9, 2011 5:40 PM

Fuck your pot and kettle 5:40. You looking for a slap?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 5:48 PM

@4:59

It hasn't been established that the Tailbam broke the "agreement". That part is in dispute.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 5:58 PM

5:34 PM Thanks for sharing your idiocy.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 6:03 PM

All these big tuff daddies saying they'd hit a guy who "disrespected" their mothers. Ooh, I'm scared, come on hit me.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 8:01 PM

The University of the Streets was incorporated in 1969 as a non-profit educational organization, spearheaded by Muhammad Salahuddeen.

This is from the venue's website. Why are they asking for money if they are a non-profit organization?

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 8:14 PM

If the deal is "the first 5 people pay $10 and the club keeps all of that and then the split is 70/30 for every other cover" then NO, the band does NOT owe the club $50 if no one shows up THAT deal would be "you rent the space for $50 and then we get 30% of whatever the covers collected are."

Posted by Ed | September 9, 2011 8:27 PM

re:non profits - it ain't like that. The reason MoMA asks you for money at the admissions desk is the same reason ANY non-profit organization asks for money - it contributes to the operating epxenses of the organization. A non profit corporation can't create taz free revenue by involving themselves in business outside their educational mission statement, like selling University of the Streets ketchup or whatever. They'd have to pay Unrelated Business Income tax on that. But any funds they raise by ticket sales to musical events or events related to jazz education etc. they don't then have to pay out as dividends to investors (like anybody on the board of directors who ponied up). You should familairize yourself with some of the other non-profit entities in the jazz world - AZZ COMPOSERS COLLECTIVE, BROOKLYN JAZZ UNDERGROUND ....

Posted by Ed | September 9, 2011 8:38 PM

Not really 8:27. the issue is DOOR POLICY, not RENT. the transfer of money comes from the patrons not the musicians. if the band doesn't like the policy/ contract don't play. Simple.

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 8:50 PM

SHITBAG

Posted by Anonymous | September 9, 2011 10:53 PM

this hot jass music is turning our children into savages

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2011 2:36 AM

Henry Rollins should of given a tutorial about punching people in the face.

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2011 2:54 AM

"The other side is that there is a contract which states that the first 5 patrons go to the club @ $10 (not really a club) after that the band gets 70% of the door and the club gets 30%. That means if no one shows up the band owes the club $50."

I don't think that deal is so bad. If you only have 10 people show up, then you get $35. People should not expect more than $35 if only 10 people show up.

So many sides of the story have not been told. Did really nobody show up? I would break up the band if that happened, time to give up. What did he say to the mom? Where the police involved?

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2011 9:29 AM

Don't forget you have to pay the soundman, which is why the first $50 goes to the club.

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2011 9:30 AM

Actually... The first few admissions cover the cost for the robust hummus platter that is set up backstage.

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2011 10:53 AM

Ok guys... All this speculation needs to end. I told that drummer to save me a few pita triangles for dipping, and that band housed the entire platter and left only crumbs. I kinda lost me temper.

Posted by THE PUNCHER | September 10, 2011 10:55 AM

Univ of Streets has been around for like 45 years or something.

The original owner, died a few years ago, I think these people are his wife & son.

The building was abandoned in the mid 60s (E.V. sucked back then) & he started as a squat, and, I think, eventually bought the building from the city, a little later, for almost nothing.

40 yrs later, they found themselves owning a multi-million dollar very valuable piece of manhattan real estate. Go figure!

It always was a wierd place, in the 80s & early 90s there were "down & out" jazz guys crashing there, etc. Now its a cheap venue for young musicians & bands, fresh out of music school, to play a "gig" & be able to tell their rent-paying parents that they are really doing something in NYC.

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2011 11:08 AM

Univ of Streets was around before Chuck Norris

Chuck Norris comes to New York to pay protection money to Univ of Streets

During the 70's, when the City Of New York was bankrupt, Hugh Carey got a loan from Univ of Streets

Peter Gatien once tried to open a club down the street from Univ of Streets. He is not in jail.

NYSE got it's start up capital from Univ of Streets

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2011 11:30 AM

^ type re. Peter Gatien = "He went to jail"

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2011 11:32 AM

Musicians who come to play do not owe any money, ever. Period.

If you play a gig, and no one comes and the club makes no money, the club should, (and the good ones do) at the end of the night, apologize to the band for not being able to them anything. Sometimes they pay them anyway! Or just give them a drink.

A band has expenses to rehearse and just to show up to a gig, transporting equipment and gas.

Posted by jeff harms | September 10, 2011 3:22 PM

"Musicians who come to play do not owe any money, ever. Period."

Are you saying then that the soundperson should not get paid?

Posted by Anonymous | September 10, 2011 5:46 PM

UOTS, does what many other places do: % of the door, and then to the band. BUT there's a $50. fee, that is a part of the agreement that is presented to musicians who choose to play there. On the issue of who may have owed who, money, review the agreement, which is generally handled BEFORE the performance takes place. On the issue of physical violence in THAT situation, see the "victim's" legal council and see who may owe who money...!

Posted by b | September 10, 2011 6:49 PM

why do you think you are not hearing the other side? what could they possibly say in their defense?

Posted by d | September 10, 2011 7:13 PM

@ 5:46pm,

No, that is a strawman argument.

The responsibility to pay the soundperson lies solely with the club, unless the band brings a soundperson of their own.

Posted by M | September 11, 2011 3:41 AM

Sucker Punch

Posted by anonymous | September 11, 2011 8:31 AM

@ 3:41am

If I was at the club I would have tossed hummus in everyone's face regardless if you got punched or were doing the punching you get the hummus!

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2011 10:45 AM

"The responsibility to pay the soundperson lies solely with the club,"

So the club will be out the cost of the soundperson if the band cannot draw a crowd?

If a band agreed to a contract, then they agreed to a contract.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2011 11:33 AM

You're assuming the bad agreed to a contract. Everyone is also assuming that they didn't draw any people. It actually IS the club's responsibility to pay the soundperson. That's just how it works. They are responsible for booking acts (or hiring promoters to books acts) that they know will draw so that they can pay the soundperson. If the acts don't draw, it's actually on the venue for failing to book decent acts.

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2011 12:31 PM

This all sounds very niggerish to me.

Posted by George Pataki | September 11, 2011 6:59 PM

Do not get in a fistfight or hummus eating contest with someone named Muhammed

Posted by Anonymous | September 11, 2011 10:09 PM

please! there's no "soundman" at UOTS! just the thugs that run the place, who have no idea about nor any interest in music.

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2011 10:40 AM

Hate crime!

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2011 11:01 AM

I suspected racism in the unbelievable onslaught of ignorance in this thread and sure enough it was provided at 6:50 yesterday

This all sounds very niggerish to me.

Posted by George Pataki | September 11, 2011 6:59 PM

talibam could have avoided all this if they simply didn't make agreements they have no intention on keeping.

Posted by nygrump | September 12, 2011 1:46 PM

@1:46 Saadia? Is that you?

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2011 1:54 PM

hummus

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2011 1:55 PM

lol the thread that wont die lol like a cockroach lol

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2011 2:27 PM

The silence by the venue speaks volumes on whether or not they were "justified"

Posted by Anonymous | September 12, 2011 4:11 PM

up & down the west coast in the days before the interwebs a lot of venues charged the band a head charge as well. that always cleared the 'first entry' bullshite right up.

Posted by Jeff Watkins | September 13, 2011 12:49 AM

Fuck pay to play. And fuck promoters who don't promote the shows!

Posted by Anonymous | September 13, 2011 4:21 AM

These are the same sort of comments people make on youtube to justify a cop beating up a black guy.

Posted by Sxip Shireys | September 13, 2011 8:42 AM

^ Cops don't beat up criminals often enough.

Posted by Anonymous | September 13, 2011 9:08 AM

They have posted a statement to their facebook page, from the comments it is obvious there is a coordinated effort to destroy this venue - the anger against the venue for the actions of one person is absurd - from the comments it is obvious there is a team working against this 40 year old venue.

Posted by nygrump | September 16, 2011 12:08 PM

@nygrump
saadia?

Posted by Anonymous | September 16, 2011 12:35 PM

what will you do when a real crime wave hits the city again? oh, i forgot who i was talking to ... i'm sure that ames, iowa will welcome you all back with open arms

Posted by Anonymous | September 16, 2011 12:53 PM

Everyone should know that Saadia Salahuddeen, the woman who runs University of the Streets, which purports to honor musicians, owns the building in which this space is located, and rents out other spaces in the building. She is the widow of Muhammad Salahuddeen, a musician who bought the building many years ago and created the music space. Last Spring she wanted our group to play there, but demanded $100 up front. We declined her offer. My impression was that she had little interest in music, less respect for musicians, and was only interested in what money she could squeeze out of those musicians who wanted a place to present their work; apparently her son follows in her footsteps. It is a sad way to honor the memory of her late husband. After the report of this incident I would strongly recommend all musicians to avoid any dealings with her or this venue, and propose that all non-musicians take their business elsewhere. The Stone, especially on Monday nights, is one place to start.

Posted by Anonymous | September 20, 2011 12:28 AM

saadia?Posted by Anonymous | September 16, 2011 12:35 PM

No, you zionist creep.

Funny how quick everyone is to attack this venue based on the actions of one person. I don't see you calling for a boycott of Bowery Presents for beating up Todd P. No musician is forced to play at UOFT. If a band can't get 5 people to come, then they really should give it up, or just admit, they are doing an open rehearsal. The venue is upfront about how they do things, no musician is forced to do it. It is interesting BROOKLYNVEGAN was so quick to attack this venue but not give the venue's side of the incident and I have heard from other people is consistent with the band's known behavior. Most of you morons are just lookign for an opportunity to say humus like its funny or something

Posted by nygrump | September 20, 2011 11:09 AM

@nygrump
it's hummus, or as us zionists "Hoo-moos"

Posted by Anonymous | September 20, 2011 4:13 PM

It seems there are two different arguments here:

1) pay-to-play. yes unfair, but the musicians agreed to play there knowing the terms. sucks, but just don't play there.

2) assault. totally different issue. punching someone is almost never warranted. there are two different stories: UOTS says cursing and provoking was initiated by the band. band doesn't mention it anywhere.

i guess you believe what you want, without all the facts and take a side. shame it comes to this with good musicians and a historically important venue.

Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2011 11:56 AM

no I spelled it right, according to my dictionary humus: brown or black complex material resulting from partuial decomposition of plant or animal matter that forms the orgnaic portion of soil.

Posted by nygrump | September 21, 2011 5:29 PM

Their are multiple ways to spell hummus. We like all varieties here at BV. We embrace diversity.

Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2011 5:43 PM

Spin Doctors reunion is all that matters now

Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2011 6:01 PM

@nygrump try that shit at Hoo-Moos Aisli and they'll throw you the fuck out.

Posted by Anonymous | September 22, 2011 7:35 AM

I have played a UOTS several times, in fact many. Saadia is just fine. Her son on the other hand, is not. He did come at me a few times because I entered the apartment area where the family occupies. His mother, Saadia, actually told him to cool out. The door deal at UOTS is absolutely enslaving. I made almost 1200 dollars there one night but only received 840 to pay my 15 musicians. The sound gear is old and out of date. The piano is sub-par. The club is in disrepair (seating etc...) and not only that, but they illegally sell alcohol. I have no gripe with Saadia. In fact, my first time there was in 1986 when I moved to NY. C Sharp frequented the place, it was cool. Saadia, you have to own up to what has happened here if you want to keep your place.

I will tell you ALL that the swearing and derogatory words will not bode well in court. Stop it now!

Posted by Andrew D | September 27, 2011 8:21 PM

I stumbled upon this article while trying to find out what the heck happened to the calendar at UOTS.

I’m just another head-bobber from out of town who seeks the music, not the venue. I’ll stand in solidarity with the artists, but we out here in the seats rarely know what’s what.

As many have stated here, the best course is for artists to stand in solidarity with each other and not play where it’s not fair. Then, an artist’s willingness to play at a venue will carry a presumption of fairness.

Easy for me to say, I know-- but holding that line has never been easy, however we make a living. Peace to all involved.

Posted by Anonymous | October 9, 2011 1:05 PM

These are the same sort of comments people make on youtube to justify a cop beating up a black guy.

Posted by Dora Games | November 6, 2012 4:44 AM

ouch.

Posted by Greg | February 10, 2014 7:17 PM

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