Posted in music | venues on September 1, 2011

stuff @ the Silent Barn
Silent Barn

Silent Barn just raised a bunch of money to recover from a theft and be an even better venue ($36,965 as of this post), but...

"The Silent Barn has been a live-in space for its entire history," read a posted statement. "'Living in the stew' has been part of our mission as a venue, but it's also necessary financially--with rent dollars subsidizing the venue's costs, we were able to run Silent Barn with little regard for how much money we pull in through shows. ... Given the amount of support we've received through Kickstarter, we need to be certain that when we reopen Silent Barn, we will be able to keep our doors open for years to come. There is simply no way for The Silent Barn to continue at 915 Wyckoff." [Village Voice]
Yesterday was their final day at the Queens address, and everything they couldn't carry, they gave away.

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Tags: Silent Barn

Comments (263)

Thank you for the great shows. Good luck.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 1:29 PM

paris 1919 - MOVE OUTTA WYCKOFF

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 1:32 PM

what's kickstarter going to do with this?

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 1:38 PM

cool. raise 30k and move to a better location! i should do that so one day, i can live in hipsterville.....

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 1:41 PM

awesome. never have to go that shit neighborhood ever again.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 1:41 PM

actually if they don't hit their $40k goal they don't get any of the money...

Posted by anonymous non-kickstarter employee | September 1, 2011 1:44 PM

Anyone have pics from the last show there last night?

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 1:47 PM

I hope they don't get their 40k. And if they do, I hope they completely burn everyone who contributed and abscond with the cash.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 1:47 PM

^^^
why?

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 1:55 PM

This clown shit tastes like hummus!! It's s00000000 g00000000d!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 1:59 PM

$36,965
pledged of $40,000 goal
16
days to go

think they can do it kids?!

Posted by so far.... | September 1, 2011 2:09 PM

looks like it kicked off

Posted by Roof Repairs | September 1, 2011 2:13 PM

I wonder if the whole true intention of whoever wanted the Silent Barn destroyed was to have it out of that area.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 2:24 PM

I have pictures of last night plus I am editing a video of last night as well. Email me @ mksuski@gmail.com if you need them for something.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 2:26 PM

long live the barn crew

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 3:27 PM

I hope they raise it, and I'm still puzzled by people getting enraged because of kickstarter fundraising, but it does seem like they're counting their chickens to a degree.

If you've experienced the kind of bad luck that comes with vandalism and robbery, it seems naive, (if not lobotomized) to just assume that the project gets it's last $4K in funding, PLUS to prematurely brag to everyone that you're moving to nicer digs.

Isn't this the stage where you normally look forlorn, and explain that unless everyone ponies up a tiny bit more, the whole thing may be for naught?

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 3:28 PM

Let's help them raise the money!

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 3:35 PM

I think I'd give them $50 if they forbid cigarette smoking in the new venue.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 3:56 PM

AMEN!

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 5:29 PM

I'm so fucking sick of these hipsters and punks asking for money on Kickstarter simply because they decided to take up a line of work that doesn't pay or they failed to get proper insurance. Kickstarter has some good uses, but lately I've been seeing more musicians and venues asking for handouts after something financially burdening happens to them. What is this, hipster welfare? Get a fucking real job or use common sense and acquire an insurance plan. Or are you to fucking cool for that???

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 5:36 PM

@5:36 I don't understand your argument. Kickstarter is patronage, which has been used to fund the arts for centuries.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 5:54 PM

Hey anon 5:36 are you just cutting and pasting this to everyone running this story?

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 5:57 PM

@5:36 If you don't think they deserve the money, don't donate. Seems pretty simple. There are plenty of other people who disagree with you though. The DIY spirit is collaborative, and it's going to continue.
Also, all the guys at Silent Barn have "real" jobs. You should probably get back to yours and stop posting the same comment on these articles.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 6:05 PM

hey shitheads, read this article before you post your dumb bullshit about how much you hate them and their way of life.

http://www.holydiver.net/2011/08/31/silent-barn/

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 6:12 PM

silnet barn is going to keep the money and not open a new venue

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 6:14 PM

kevin seconds needs some of that money for a van.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 6:15 PM

thank you for all of your time and energy over the years. we appreciate it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 7:04 PM

INSIDE JOB

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 8:26 PM

I thought they needed 80K?

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 8:46 PM

super dumb decision

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 9:48 PM

People like me gave money because we love the Silent Barn, and not necessarily because we support the group of guys who were living there. It is a building with a history, not a group of illegal roommates who happen to be crashing there.

To abandon the location at this point is tantamount to fraud. We gave money to save that space, not some other random building those boys might (or might not) eventually occupy somewhere else in the vague future.

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 9:52 PM

Will there be adult supervision at the next venue?

Posted by Anonymous | September 1, 2011 10:01 PM

LAME

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 1:05 AM

There will smoking allowed, hand soap in the bathroom, and sassy Weasel bars complimentary for the first few shows at the new location.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 1:53 AM

No the other person is right. Read the interview.
The zoning in NYC and other cities now days because developers etc. or too many fools moving into NYC to condos is atrocious. Just a few of the reasons spaces like these are a concern to authorities.

http://www.holydiver.net/2011/08/31/silent-barn/2/

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 2:07 AM

Keep donating money to a pack of hipster junkies, you're being fleeced

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 3:25 AM

Don't crack wise with me pal. I'm not in the mood.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 3:44 AM

The Silent Barn is a place, not a "them"

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 6:32 AM

i only support inanimate objects and buildings, not the people who make them worth going to

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 8:22 AM

all our prays

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 8:40 AM

8:40, amen

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 9:27 AM

@6:05 - "The DIY spirit is collaborative" How can that be, it says it right there, do it YOURSELF.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 9:42 AM

do it theirselves

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 10:38 AM

I believe a lot more in that building on Wyckoff called Silent Barn, than I believe in the random bros who are getting Kickstarter money to maybe open a new place they'll call Silent Barn

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 11:56 AM

they're giving up right as they reached their money goal?

WELL ISN'T THAT CONVENIENT

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 11:57 AM

douchey move

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 11:59 AM

At this point they probably know they can kick in the 3k left themselves (through a friend) just to get the 40k. Which is probably why they are talking like it's done.

When I heard about the Kickstarter I thought it was for that location - it's much foggier if it's not - so you're just giving money to the people that lived there? I'm not sure how comfortable I would be donating to them getting a new LEGAL space/business - that's a time and money hole (look at Market Hotel) and I'm not sure 40k would even cover it...

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 12:04 PM

save the space maybe, but fuck those guys

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 12:08 PM

quick poll...

if you gave money to their kickstarter, did you think:

(a.) you were giving towards the abstract idea of a venue space somewhere, run by these guys with these guys living in it

or

(b.) that you were giving money to people who wanted to save a specific venue space on Wyckoff ave that you are familiar with and like

I'm going to take a wise guess that, for nearly everyone, it's (b.)

Most people only know these guys as people who are interested in saving that building as a venue. Nobody knows enough about the roommate dudes to want to give money just to support their "vision" or whatever.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 12:17 PM

why fuck those guys?
fuck you, save you

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 12:25 PM

raising money to save an illegal venue after it got shutdown and broken into:

questionable, but ok.

taking the money you raised to save an illegal venue, moving out of the venue without a new idea, and keeping the money to hypothetically get spent on a new place:

possibly criminally fraudulent.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 12:26 PM

INSIDE JOB

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 12:42 PM

Once Silen Barn meets its kickstarter goal, some of the funds should be used to get some of you brooklynvegan trolls laid.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 12:48 PM

^ I don't think even that would help them!

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 12:55 PM

The old bait and switch. Ha, what a scam. I didn't give these retards any money, but if I did I'd be pissed. Silent Barn dudes have some nerve. Class action time...

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 1:01 PM

If you pledged money and you're not happy with this new development, you can cancel your pledge.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 1:11 PM

"possibly criminally fraudulent."

I don't think it's possibly criminally fraudulent, it is criminally fraudulent.

Someone really ought to contact kickstarter about this, if not the police.

The exact opposite of the DIY spirit Silent Barn. This was shady, and will make people skeptical to support DIY and other worthy causes in the future. Shame on you.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 1:17 PM

"I don't think it's possibly criminally fraudulent, it is criminally fraudulent."

It's probably not technically fraud until they cash out and take the money, but otherwise, yes, this is clearly fraudulent. Silent Barn guys, if you're reading this, you'd better think long and hard before taking that money.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 1:32 PM

lol

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 1:53 PM

They'd only spend it on hummus anyways.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 2:00 PM

I'm sure that the decision to move out of 915 wyckoff was made, above all else, with responsibility to the 600 supporters interests in mind

and with a very long time remaining for people to change their mind about the project, or to continue to help. most of those people are also on the volunteers mailing list, and were active all weekend in assisting the move-out and finding storage spaces.

so

the silent barn a huge number of people now

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 2:02 PM

^they would need to contact every person who pledged and let them know exactly what their donation actually will be used for. Anything short of that is straight up fraud.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 2:21 PM

so they're just bailing and taking the money, with no new space lined up?

sounds a lot like a scam

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 4:40 PM

how do you square collecting money for one place, then suddenly moving out of that place and keeping the doh?

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 5:11 PM

there is no way the Silent Barn roommate crew is ever going to think twice about taking the money. it doesn't matter how fraudulent and disingenuous it is.

that money is obviously melting their brains and clouding their judgement

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 5:29 PM

You're all thick negative creeps. The Silent Barn is not just 915 Wyckoff. It will exist wherever the new space is. Things take some time, they're doing their best to keep us all informed. Jumping to conclusions and making harsh anonymus statements is not okay. They're trying to continue bringing our city interesting moments and I think it's unfair that some of you want to prohibit that.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 5:38 PM

the silent barn was a place, not a bunch of random dudes.

weren't there lots of different people involved in silent barn over the years, and didn't it used to be a lot more interesting there than it is now? couldn't anybody who ever lived there just say they were reopening a place called silent barn wherever?

maybe that's a confusing way to put it, but the point is that people donated money because they love that place, on Wyckoff. the people involved are fine folks, I'm sure, but they're not specifically what people were giving their money to support.

they can open whatever, wherever, but it won't be silent barn and it shouldn't be done with the money people gave to support silent barn

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 5:46 PM

5:38 that is fine, but what if they never reopen a new space? That sort of loft/artist/bohemian living is a notoriously flaky lifestyle & I don't think it's unreasonable to question what is going on.

It doesn't strike me as a scam because that is not very much money when split, but what are you really paying for? Their rent? food? beer? drugs? There needs to be accountability & itemization for such a venture to succeed, not just vague hopes. If it doesn't get off the ground I doubt any money would be returned as it would have long been spent-that is why I am skeptical.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 5:57 PM

if they're confident that their supporters are ok with this move, then they should cancel this kickstarter and start a new one that reflects the new reality and new goals in a new location.

if everyone supports them on this change, then it should be no big deal to just ask people to reaffirm their pledges.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 6:00 PM

A new space is ideal for them to realize all the goals they had. The kickstarter will help and I wish these dudes the best. Get real skeptics...

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 6:14 PM

ANYONE CAN CANCEL THEIR PLEDGE

ALL SUPPORTERS WERE ALREADY NOTIFIED OF THE CHANGES

SOME OF YOU NEVER DONATED/DONT CARE/WONT CARE
BUT
DONT ASSUME EVERYONE ELSE IS OUT OF THE LOOP AND WILL SUDDENLY REGRET DONATING AND JOIN YOUR SIDE OF SNIDE COMMENTING ASSHOLES

WE DONATED BECAUSE WE TRUST THEM. FUCK IT I GAVE $10
WHO GIVES A FUUUUCK. LAYOFF

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 6:45 PM

I don't see why they won't cancel and then relaunch the kickstarter, given how so much has changed.

people will be willing to resubmit their donations if the move doesn't change their opinion, right?

I would think they'd be going out of their way to be straight and ethical here, since this is the public's money.

The right move is for them to withdraw the Kickstarter, and launch a new one.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 8:25 PM

A new location calls for a new Kickstarter campaign.

To spend the money that was raised for the Wyckoff space on some other space would be dishonest.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 8:29 PM

I really wish some of you would cancel your lives. Knock it off. I donated to the kickstarter and I want them to get the funds so they can get a new space soon.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 9:06 PM

This whole SB affair seems a bit tawdry, but when dealing w marginal people what can one expect? They might be a decent lot, but money changes everything doesn't it? There's no public record of a "robbery", but they insist they were "robbed". they didn't have insurance because even if they had the money for it they weren't a legit, ie, registered, business. they had a lot of pricey equipment, but didn't even have the good sense to get a cheap ass, but mean, guard dog. to say nothing of a heavy metal door ( no pun intended) or makeshift bars on the windows. what were they thinking?

They want to do what they want, but don't have the money to do what they want. call it what you like, but they want to operate a business but don't seem be very business like about it. they claim to be indignant about being hassled by the * authorities*, but god forbid an an accident should happen. what then?


They want to make the rules as they go along because they know what's best, and right and fun? I'll give them the fun part, the rest of it, somehow I doubt it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 9:35 PM

god damn, how many fucking lawyers ARE THERE in brooklyn these days?

what did you miss? shit changed, EVERYONE WAS NOTIFIED WHO CONTRIBUTED MONEY ( $$$$$$$$ for the lawyers eyes)

ANYONE who contributed $$$$$$$$ can immediately un-pledge it

NO ONE is being lied to. you pricks are lying to yourselves. your attempts at supposedly looking out for, what can we call this, "naive hipster" by trying to call bullshit on EVERY step of this whole affair is PATHETIC, and i'm sick of it because i don't want ANONYMOUS pedantic phony chivalry to undermine something that ALL INVOLVED PARTIES ARE OK WITH.

IF YOU DONT LIKE SILENT BARN, SHUT THE FUCK UP. LEAVE OUR COMMUNITY ALONE, AND GO ENJOY WHATEVER YOU ENJOY.

STOP TRYING TO RAISE YOUR DISINTERESTED CONCERNS WITHIN A SITUATION THAT IS HANDLING ITSELF.

ITS TRUE, YOURE RIGHT, THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE PLEDGE DRIVE BEGAN ONE MONTH AGO.

BUT EVERYONE WHO PLEDGED KNOWS THIS, SO LONG AS THEY STILL HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION. YOUR UNWILLINGNESS TO GET BEHIND THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THE "BROOKYLN MUSIC COMMUNITY" SHOULDNT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO INSTILL DOUBT AMONG THE PEOPLE WHO'VE STOOD BY THIS "VENUE"(fuck off!)/IDEA. IF PEOPLE GET COLD FEET SO BE IT! BUT IT'S NOT FOR GOOD REASON, AND YOUR PASSIVE ANONYMOUS ATTACKS ARE HURTFUL, MISGUIDED AND BASED ENTIRELY ON HEARSAY FROM THIS VERY BLOG'S A N O N Y M O U S COMMENT SECTION.

SILENT BARN WILL BE BACK THIS FALL, PAID FOR BY PEOPLE WHO WANTED IT BACK, KNEW WHAT THEY WERE PAYING FOR, AND WILL CONTINUE TO PATRONIZE IT WHILE OTHERS STAY AT HOME HATING THEMSELVES

now point my typos, twist my words, remain stubborn
and dont forget to go and fuck yourself

peace assholes

[and dont be dumbass and answer my rhetorical questions]

Posted by ed | September 2, 2011 9:53 PM

AND WAIT, I'LL EVEN TAKE PARY OF THAT BACK
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT EVER YOU FUCKING WANT!
ASSHOLES

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 9:55 PM

^^^

crackhead squatter high on bathsalts.

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 10:01 PM

"If you don't like a project, don't back it. No need to be a jerk."

-Kickstarter

I like this project and I back it!

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 10:03 PM

9:53 - must be the one getting all the $

Posted by Anonymous | September 2, 2011 11:45 PM

if everyone's so cool with this being about an imaginary new location now, what would you have to lose by purging the existing kickstarter and having everyone who's still on board spend 2 minutes repledging?

oh right: you might lose MONEY

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:03 AM

it's pretty clear that the Silent barn supporters here are made up of 2 groups:

the people who will be getting the money

and a bunch of really idealistic and naive young kids who want to believe fairytales

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:09 AM

pretty manipulative how the picture they chose for the homepage of their kickstarter is a pic of a band made up of black kids from bushwick performing.

as if the space was ever home for people who are actually from that neighborhood

the whole thing is fucking SLICK cynical marketing, right down to the fishy robbery backstory that doesn't check out.

and now they're ditching the space and just keeping the money. at best, hustlers, but more likely: grifters.

I feel sorry for the idealistic 18 year olds who are doing the busy work for these scheisters

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:18 AM

CANCEL DA KICKSTARTA'

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:28 AM

moving after getting all that money is fucked uppp

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:36 AM

BV needs to get a better commenting system so all the negativity gets weeded out. It's worked well on other sites.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:51 AM

sometimes negativity is called for, this is one of those times

open your eyes this is a scam

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:54 AM

I never heard of people living in a club. Of course they want the $, so they can live rent free and act like they are doing something for the community by putting on some shows.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:58 AM

1254...Your parents scammed you of a personality. These guys are trying to make the best out of a difficult situation. Have some respect.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:00 AM

it's fun to live at the party!

why should we subsidize these party brohs rent?

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:08 AM

WHY DONT THEY JUST RESTART THE KICKSTARTER

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:09 AM

dumbasses. fuck you negative creeps

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:48 AM

why was my comment held for approval? i was writing one of those stupid fucking memes

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:52 AM

ok great hold my comment for approval while i forget what i said

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:53 AM

^ and then post that? wtf

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:54 AM

negativity is dark fucking shit

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:56 AM

I don't see what's negative about believing that these guys can and should get their money cleanly, by doing the right thing and relaunching their Kickstarter campaign.

I believe they will reach their goal. They have a worthy cause. But, it will be tainted if they accept money raised under false pretenses.

To let this Kickstarter lapse and launch a new one would be the honorable approach.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:58 AM

what did you miss? shit changed, EVERYONE WAS NOTIFIED WHO CONTRIBUTED MONEY ( $$$$$$$$ for the lawyers eyes)
ANYONE who contributed $$$$$$$$ can immediately un-pledge it

NO ONE is being lied to. you pricks are lying to yourselves. your attempts at supposedly looking out for, what can we call this, "naive hipster" by trying to call bullshit on EVERY step of this whole affair is PATHETIC, and i'm sick of it because i don't want ANONYMOUS pedantic phony chivalry to undermine something that ALL INVOLVED PARTIES ARE OK WITH.
IF YOU DONT LIKE SILENT BARN, SHUT THE FUCK UP. LEAVE OUR COMMUNITY ALONE, AND GO ENJOY WHATEVER YOU ENJOY.
STOP TRYING TO RAISE YOUR DISINTERESTED CONCERNS WITHIN A SITUATION THAT IS HANDLING ITSELF.
ITS TRUE, YOURE RIGHT, THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE PLEDGE DRIVE BEGAN ONE MONTH AGO.
BUT EVERYONE WHO PLEDGED KNOWS THIS, SO LONG AS THEY STILL HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 2:01 AM

As a supporter and a donor (who has some misgivings about this decision to relocate, but is cautiously staying in support for now), I have to say that the people speaking for the Silent Barn on this thread (CAPITAL LETTERS) are not helping their cause or my confidence in their cause.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 2:07 AM

I don't think these guys are crooks, I think they really want to do the right thing.

I also think they have no idea what they're doing and moving is about the dumbest decision they could have made.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 2:15 AM

"No one knew who they were, or what they were doing"

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 2:23 AM

hahaha, 'please support our vision of an undetermined future.' Some shark has got these young kids all the way turned out.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 2:44 AM

INSIDE JOB

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 4:03 AM

Maybe if the resident Bros at the (x)Barnyard had a better public relations campaign there wouldn't be so many neg comments.

To those who want to ban/ censor the "neg" comments, i.e. free speech, isn't that what fascists and dictators do?

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 8:14 AM

i'll pledge money if you guys actually book good bands like you did 07-09

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 8:20 AM

Shenanigans!

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 9:27 AM

This is a world of complainers. It just isn't possible to do positive things without having to deal with distractions. It sure would be nice if someone could publish a list with personal info of all of BV's regulars.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 10:00 AM

if your story is so feeble that it can't withstand negative anonymous snark, then maybe there's something wrong?

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:33 PM

There's plenty wrong with negative anonymous snark. It makes coming to this site difficult and I also hope for a new comment system where people are held accountable for what they contribute to the conversation.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:39 PM

Everything about this campaign seems contemptuous of the community.

They have been dishonest about why they were broken into, and dishonest about what really would be necessary to be legit, and dishonest about how much money they need & what's going to happen with the money.

This is all happening because "they were robbed," but there's no police report to be found.

The night before they were robbed, the building was raided and CONDEMNED by the fire department and they were physically removed form the building by cops. Where is that mentioned in their Kickstarter pitch?

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/OverviewForComplaintServlet?requestid=2&vlcompdetlkey=0001432434

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:42 PM

^^^^ What's your email? Maybe if you post it along with your phone number and address the dudes from the barn can send you updates every 15 minutes.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:46 PM

The entire reason why BV gets a ton of hits every day is because of the anonymous nastiness. He can't remove this or he goes down the tubes like Stereogum

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 12:49 PM

and it's more dishonest to dismiss all the critical comments as pointless trolling snark; these are valid concerns being raised. address them, folks.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:11 PM

there's a lot of difference between the number of critical comments on different posts. this one has lots, but maybe where there's smoke there's fire?

I'm blown away reading just now that the fire department condemned the building the exact night before they got broken into. Why would they suppress that part of the story. That's straight up lying.

I didn't believe it until followed the link. It's to a city of New York govt page and it says in plain English that the city put a "vacate" on the building. It's fucking true!

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:14 PM

^^^ you should address more valid concerns such as...how will we overcome climate change and how are tax payer dollars really being used? Get on it kid.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:17 PM

The entire concept and scope has changed here, and it's no longer about saving the place we all think of when we opened our checkbooks to "save silent barn"...

They really should cancel this Kickstarter campaign and start a new one. It would take seconds for supporters to re-pledge.

What's the risk? It would be a lot more honest and honorable.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:21 PM

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONDEMNED THE BUILDING AND HAD COPS PHYSICALLY REMOVE THE ROOMMATES FROM THE BUILDING ON THE EXACT NIGHT BEFORE THEY "GOT ROBBED."

WHY IS THIS NOT STATED IN THE KICKSTARTER??

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:24 PM

it looks like they were breaking law, and the city locked them out and they are claiming that is robbery.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:29 PM

Even if these SB dudes personally explained every single detail to you "anons" you would still find something negative to type. Seems pretty straight foward here that they wanna move foward and that the old space wasn't going to allow them to do so in a way that is "legal": http://www.holydiver.net/2011/08/31/silent-barn/2/

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:29 PM

It is impossible to have a public assembly venue in new York City with onsite living space.

It will never be "legal" if that's what they are holding out for.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:35 PM

they won't be legal at there new location either, if there ever even is a new location.

they're just running away from the city inspectors and hoping they get another 7 years of illegal operating out of the new spot.

since that's the plan, why do they need $40k now?

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:38 PM

did any of the guys who are spearheading this "new silent barn in a new location" thing even live at the original place 3 years ago when it was doing amazing shit?

the past couple years at that place has been kind of shitty, am I wrong?

so, why are we giving 40 thousand dollars to a save a place who's best days predate the guys we're giving the money to?

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:44 PM

Fuck brooklynvegan, fuck kickstarter. I wanted to donate from the start and would have gladly given my money directly to these guys. Kickstarter makes tons of money off of others projects and hopes by hosting a nice website. BV makes tons of money from traffic created through negativity. Let the kickstarter continue and don't waste your energy trying creating obstacles. Go do something important like spend time with your parents cause one day they'll be gone.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:48 PM

^^^ YES!

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:51 PM

I read the blog interview with Joe Ahearn from this crew of dudes.

Seems like they're convinced that people donating give a FUCK whether these guys get to live in the space or not.

WRONG. people support you because there used to be amazing shows there

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:56 PM

If someone truly wants to run a center for arts why must they insist on living there? only because they don't want to pay rent themselves.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 1:58 PM

why can't they relaunch the kickstarter??

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 2:02 PM

wow - i'm glad i didn't donate - this screams all kinds of shady folks.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 2:54 PM

Warm applause for a cracker jack cause.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 3:50 PM

you move to a new house, you forfeit the money you raised for the old house

if you keep the money you're a crook

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 3:55 PM

you guys, please, take a moment to pause and just look at what the Reptilians have done to us :(

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 4:38 PM

do the right thing here, barn people

cancel this kickstarter and launch a new one for a new location. if people support your decision, you have nothing to lose.

a new name would be a good idea too

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 4:49 PM

Do the right thing and please ignore the detrimental comments. It's mostly one person posting repeatedly.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:01 PM

only people with something to hide want to silence dialog

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:04 PM

Their #1 concern is housing for themselves

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:07 PM

2011: the year DIY died because no one bothered to come up with a cohesive argument for why it should exist

giving these 4 guys a place to live is the weakest argument out there for why this space should be publicly funded.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:18 PM

Just read the interview where Joe Ahearn "explains" it all

I was pretty struck by the intellectual laziness of these guys. They just want a cool house to live in, they don't know what a not for profit space is or how to get there. Why are we subsidizing them?

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:37 PM

None of the people posting here have any idea what went on behind the scenes. When the kickstarter was started, there were many legal issues that were not solved and some that are still not solved. One being the massive fines that the city wants either the building owner or the silent barn bros to pay.

All of the residents of the silent barn moved into a place that was built the way it was. They didn't convert the space. The building has changed hands many times since the place was called silent barn in 7 years time. The night before the robbery, the place was shutdown by the buildings department, the same buildings department that was cracking down on other smaller venues, lofts and "party places".

The door was closed but was not locked most likely. Most of the roommates were not home, and they kicked everyone out without time to collect things. The front door had a sign put on it saying the building was evacuated and not to enter. The next day, in broad day light, some dudes rolled up with their car and broke in. No idea if the door was left unlocked. There is security cam footage that shows some dudes stealing from across the street. The people who lived there, decided to sneak in to get some of their things the day after, and found the place trashed. The reason that it wasn't reported to the cops is because of those legal issues. All silent barn roommates paid their rent from their own pockets. Door money went to pay the bands and any other money earned went to the people working the show and towards the fund to repair anything that breaks. Silent barn barely broke even most months after utilities and shit like that.

Staying at 915 wyckoff would mean many months of legal battles and lots of money to basically rebuild the entire place. Way more money than what the kickstarter will bring in. Also note that not one cent has been taken from anyone who donated, since these are pledges to donate. The only way these pledges will be called in is if the $40,000 mark is reached by the end of the deadline.

The guys that lived at 915 wyckoff run lots of shows and have day jobs, so feel free to give them a piece of your mind. I'm sure everyone will appreciate it when you give these good guys a hard time for no damn reason.

The people I have met at these shows at Silent Barn are all very nice and friendly. If it wasn't for the silent barn, I probably wouldn't be as active in the diy scene as I am now.

Lastly, I'm sure all of you would have no problem finding an ideal location for a new venue that is inexpensive and needs very little money to meet all sorts of guidelines such as safety, security and legal, and of course, easy to get to via public transportation.

All of you negative commentators can kindly eat Frohawks dick, and stick your heads in a blender with some humus.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:41 PM

This whole thing is shady. I unpledged. They ought to shut the drive down.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:42 PM

5:41 = straight shooter

ps - this is the worst fucking thread EVER!

eViL ViBeS

Posted by sebiv live | September 3, 2011 5:48 PM

Hey BV,

Thanks for the volume of comments on this topic.

It's overdue (partially because the intense move-out of equipment delayed our weekly updates), but this weekend ---- we will provide a complete financial itinerary to the point that we know it ---- we will clarify the names of everyone involved in the project, numbering around 15 people, only four of who used to live in the place, and neither of whom is committed to moving into the new space, because these are the people trusted to make decisions with the money ---- and finally our decision to accept the money as a new non-profit organization, held financially accountable by the sponsoring institution we partner with. This should at least ease some vibe worry.

It has completely sucked to have to make the decision to move-out, but it's a really sound, financially practical decision at this point - we worked with different architects and expediters, and no amount of money was going to allow Silent Barn to continue the same kind of project in the same building. The decision was unnanimous among everyone involved. Meanwhile, the new possibilities afforded by discovering & building a space from the ground up are growing. We feel that the relocation of the Silent Barn is genuinely a growing pain, (and one that it has endured before, as have Issue Project Room, and Roulette).

Something to quickly note ahead of our complete breakdown - Silent Barn's rent has always been paid by people who work outside the place, that is how the $3300/month project is financially viable at all, and allows it to host smaller shows regularly. The venue operations do not cover the rent, nor is money being raised now towards subsidizes rent, or anything personal - that is paid by the residents.

We're only able to build a new Silent Barn in so much as people see the value of that project to the city - which is currently so incredibly many people. We are working on this project in response to that tremendous support, a community that we cannot abandon. If we don't have that support, we don't have the means, or responsibility, to rebuild the Silent Barn and will move on to other projects - so it's really up to what everybody here in New York decides is worthwhile here.

I do love the Silent Barn, and am committed to working the city to reincarnate a more ambitious version of the space. Thanks in general for the recognition, and support.

Have fun! Today, III is playing before Light Asylum @ Union Pool, and I'll be there.

Kunal

Posted by Kunal | September 3, 2011 5:50 PM

^^^ I am one of the people that supports you, there are many!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:57 PM

They will have to follow the same building code wherever they go, and there is no place in New York where public performance space and residence can be in the same lease/location.

This being true, they gain nothing moving.

What they do gain is $40k, and since they've now orchestrated a PR "crisis" where they had to suddenly abandon their existing space (and probably break their lease), they now just get to keep and spend that $40 thousand at their discretion.

This is not what people signed on for.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:58 PM

I am a supporter as well. These guys are very good people. Kunal lost not only his home, but also the place where he had a part of his DIY arcade babycastles.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:58 PM

^^^ Shut up! No one likes you. Send me your bands link so I can check you out and come to your show.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 5:59 PM

5:59 PM was meant to be at the negaton! oops!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 6:00 PM

I support Silent Barn. I do not support BV! Last time I look at this thread, site, etc. Good luck.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 6:04 PM

I don't support these people. at. all.

it's obviously all about the money

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 6:07 PM

kunal. you obviously spent a lot of time drafting a pretty email... but you did not answer why you guys can't just launch a new Kickstarter and keep this all over the table. The fundamentals have drastically changed since the original pitch and pledges were made.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 6:20 PM

PRETTTTTY SHADY how they don't mention the move on the front page of the Kickstarter.

You have to dig around in the back pages and the updates to figure out that they aren't planning to resuscitate that space at all.

Yet there's a donate button right next to a bunch of text that's all about the Wyckoff space... Nowhere does it update you before you pledge that this is for a completely different, hypothetical space.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 6:33 PM

6:33pm, it takes one damn click to see all the updates about the project. Anyone pledging receives emails and is notified on kickstarter of project updates. This project still has 14 days to go, and the guys just finished moving their things. Anyone with half a brain should know to read everything before spontaneously giving a pledge. If you guys hate the idea of a new silent barn, make a pledge with your name so that when the new place opens and someone is checking your id card, they can make sure not to let you in.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 7:16 PM

the supporters are more mean spirited than the detractors.

a lot of anger and personal vindictiveness coming from the support side. sounds like people are worried or hiding something.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 7:21 PM

Wait a second here, 7:16. you don't think they should tell people on the Kickstarter's front page that the money is going to a new place?

Why the fuck not?

I am a conditional supporter of the project, and I'm disturbed by how many decisions seem to be being made exclusively to maximize pledges.

This is alongside the earlier regrettable decision to suppress the fact that the Fire Department condemned the property.

Posted by Daniel | September 3, 2011 7:26 PM

super shady. I am going to take back my pledge. Alot of disapointing behavior coming from the SB guys.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 7:30 PM

7:21pm, having just read the thread, I have to completely disagree with you. A positive brooklyn vegan comments thread? Never.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 7:32 PM

these silent barn aren't great people, they're just creative kids trying to make it and be famous and cool. the dirtiness of the space at all times should be an indication of how unsaintly these people are.

not bad people, just not any more worthy of public charity and anyone else. the space on wyckoff? that was worthy of support - but these guys? why not just find investors and open a legit business in a new location.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 7:39 PM

there is no excuse for not stating, in bold print, at the top of the front page of your Kickstarter...

that you are abandoning Wyckoff Ave and the money is going to different place

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 7:45 PM

They didn't see fit to mention that the place had been condemned by the fire department until they got called out about it on Brooklyn Vegan? I mean I was born at night, but not last night. Anybody who can't smell the deceit here is a fool.

And these guys bitching about the comments are worse. You started an unorganized, and somewhat deceitful campaign. Newsflash: you're supposed to have your plans cemented BEFORE you start raising money. When the plan switched half way through (with shifting facts) you're going to get called out about it. The "Silent Barn" people STILL haven't presented anything that evens resembles a discernible plan.

Blaming Brooklyn Vegan because you don't have your shit together is weak.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 8:03 PM

i'm omniscient

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 8:11 PM

Thank you for all these comments. They are part of a huge, collaborative movement around the Silent Barn, critical or supportive, I consider this a public project, so your opinions and concerns are great advice. We only have so much time to write, so we try to do it weekly. There are a lot of topics that you all mentioned that aren't worthwhile to address in a BV comment, but are really important, and will make its way into our next public update. @6:33, We like the idea of adding a big update header to the front page of the fundraising campaign, which we will do.

It's probably against the BV grain to give BV feedback and I'm new to it - but the claims of negativity on both sides are really boring - it's not negative here. The incisive questions are welcome, no one should be blindly supportive of anything political. The awesome answers people provide for us are welcome too, and pretty accurate, and I really appreciate the discussion. The humor is kind of ok sometimes too. We all see each other in Brooklyn music and culture all the time. We're all doing what we consider the best the thing, whether it's trying to call out possible fraud, or expose and defend the inside story of something we might love, or just have fun. I guess it's just good to keep that in mind. Pretty much 90% of these comments are genuinely informative & constructive, so I honestly feel that it's really pretty good here on BV discussions, at least on this thread.

As far as Silent Barn, we're just very very wholeheartedly a volunteer and altruistic effort that we pour our lives into because it make the city a really good home to us, and to so many touring musicians. ESPECIALLY the last two years, fuck the shows between '07 - '09, they were ok, but you can catch all that shit at 285 Kent for the time being (a venue also run by me, todd patrick, and some friends). Big shows like that move around the city. The Silent Barn we are saving is about the intimate, intense, and wildly experimental shows 7 nights a week since '09 that you can't find anywhere else in the world. This is an example of what love and are rebuilding, but there are so many more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EUNYPuO364
(Dog Leather, Feb 27, 2011)

We are all hugely involved in so much of New York City right now. We understand how the city's precarious relationship to art, and are too passionate about the city itself to allow the damage to art culture that irresponsible investment of such a rare show of support can cause. I do hope our next update provides you all with enough information to help you believe this.

Posted by Kunal | September 3, 2011 8:18 PM

Hey Kunal. I donated what I could and understand this is a challenge but I think if you guys keep going we will all find ourselves experiencing a new incredible space.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 8:31 PM

For $40 thousand they definitely will not be opening a "legal" space of any kind. Just the liquor license is $15k. Architectural fees and permitting? $20k at least. That leaves no money for construction or for sound sytem or decor or first/last/deposit or anything.

And if they can't afford to be "legal", then why do they need to leave their current space or raise money at all?

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 9:33 PM

kunal just flat out ignores the two questions everyone here keeps asking:

why are you continuing to suppress info about the fire department raid that happened on the eve of when you say you were robbed?

and how do you justify keeping not relaunching the kickstarter now that the entire concept has changed?

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 9:46 PM

they ' need to leave" because the building was condemned, ie, unsafe for occupancy.

I don't think permits are anywhere near $20K. It really depends on what any given architect wants to do. architects offer design advice as well so that could mean a couple of grand or that could mean the sky is the limit.

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 9:49 PM

hey Kunal, your flowery letters are really vacuous. You should do timeshare presentations. Where are you vacationing with your share of the payday?

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 9:49 PM

⚘⚘⚘⚘

Posted by Anonymous | September 3, 2011 11:54 PM

The building isn't unsafe for occupancy, it's just not zoned or to code for residential.

if they weren't insisting of openly living in the space they could stay and be legal there.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 12:10 AM

Why do they need to live there??

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 12:29 AM

I think the SB community is much simpler than some people are assuming. They really are just a community of people creating fun events for the fun of it. They all work day jobs and none of them are looking for or getting a free ride. Really. They all work very hard to do things they enjoy and make those things available to others who may enjoy them as well. no one has to go to events they organize. No one has to donate to the kickstarter. If anyone who has donated wants to retract their donation they can. It's simple. The situation they are going through now on the other hand is not so simple. They are figuring it out as they go and giving other people the option to help them in the process whether it's financially or through any other service people wish to offer. It's all a voluntary community made up of individuals who have chosen to be involved. Anyone who is uncomfortable with the community can simply not be involved.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 1:11 AM

you can't "legally" live in a commercial space in new york, on wyckoff ave or anywhere else.

they aren't going to find a magical situation where it is possible.

are they planning to just swap one illegal situation for another one? if so, they've got no business raising money from the public.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 1:19 AM

Neat speech, 1:11, but unless it's prison or a totalitarian state, all communities are "made up of individuals who have voluntarily chosen to be involved."

Just because they're not forcing people to donate at gunpoint doesn't excuse the doucheyness of lying and misleading people to get them to donate.

Who hides the fact that they got a vacate order from the Fire Department and obscures it behind a (very likely made up) story about being robbed and ransacked? That's not "community vibes." it's deceitfulness.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 1:42 AM

FUCKING BITCHES SHUT UP!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 1:46 AM

I used to go to that place

it smelled like cat shit and they never cleaned the bathroom

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 2:13 AM

1:42
There are plenty of communities made up of individuals who are contractually, politically or professionally obliged to be involved. This is not one. You can very easily and casually take it or leave it.
I don't know why it seems very likely made up that they were robbed. These guys book shows full time, organize and print a free publication (show paper), run an arcade/gallery(baby castles). That means they work with and know lots and lots of people and have deep and established roots not worth jeopardizing on a lie.. If the theft was a lie it means they would have to lie to countless people face to face....for the rest of their lives. If you seek out and talk to anyone who knows these guys personally they will confirm that the theft was real and actually happened.
I dont know why they didn't give details on the eviction in the kickstarter. Perhaps it was a bad call. I know that they will be addressing it soon in a public statement. This whole thing has gotten big and every statement they make must be deliberate and be a representation of the group mind of the Silent Barn's core members. so I think it takes a bit longer for them to make a statement than it does for everyone else on this forum who are calling for answers.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 2:42 AM

"eviction" ≠ "vacate order"

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 2:55 AM

2:55
You're right. That was my bad. I meant "vacate order".

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 3:05 AM

hey remember when kevin failure lived (and nodded off quite frequently) there and it was like the hangout spot for the termbo NYC crowd? that was pretty cool times, since then there has been ZERO reason to go back to that shit neighborhood

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 5:21 AM

anyone interested in renting and splitting the old space? Looks like it was $3500 a month. Split it between 7 bands as a rehearsal space during the day, then have shows at night. Or even better, open it during the day as a community space/arts/hang out. Turn the basement into a jam room. Have a movie room. Game room, etc. Have shows start after 8.

I can't think of a place to go in the city just to chill, watch movies, meet people, paint, etc. Without being pressured to buy something.

Posted by b | September 4, 2011 6:06 AM

@6:06

The building was condemned. Even if you had a ton of money for repairs why put it into something you don't own?

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 10:01 AM

the building wasn't condemned. What happened is they gave a "vacate order" to the residents because the City is making a big show of regulating "illegal living spaces" right now.

you could use it as any kind of commercial space, including venue show space, and be perfectly legal.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 1:41 PM

why the crap are these SB guys moving and giving up that building? they are getting some bad advice from someone

they shouldn't spend the money they raised to reopen silent barn on a different space

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 2:10 PM

Too many venues in that area. They should move to another part of the city.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 2:21 PM

Staten Island, for instance

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 2:21 PM

a lot of these commenters are fucking whiney pieces of shit who are too fucking lazy to put down the fritos and actually do something on their own, so they spend the entire day whining like little fucking kids. boo hoo, wahhh, the good folks of silent barn have decided it would be best to find a new space. it doesn't matter that there are perfectly legitimate and good reasons why they are re-locating, not the least of which is security (as so many of you useless fucks describe the old hood as 'shitty'). doesn't matter that they will probably save money by doing a new build out vs. repairing/renovating a space who's upkeep from its landlords was always rather dubious. doesn't matter. they just wanna fucking whine because whining is all they do. you dont like it, fuck you, don't ever go to the new space then. sit at home and fucking cry, you obviously enjoy this behavior. useless pieces of shit. i've donated a good amount of money, and i'm not pulling back my donation. i think you stupid cheap fucks are just looking for a reason not to kick in. but i bet you'll be the first on line clamoring to get a show. williamsburg trust fund bitches, go home to mommy.

Posted by rw | September 4, 2011 2:25 PM

the supporters are WAY MORE angry than the doubters

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 2:36 PM

I'm a supporter. I'm not angry. You BV kids are cute. Hope to meet some of you at the new space.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 2:46 PM

are you for real 2:26?

They are getting bad blood here because they've been picky and choosey with what they tell people about what happened to them.

The fact that they withheld (and are still withholding) info about the City majorly shutting them down the night before they got "robbed," puts them in the same league as used car salesmen and shady real estate hucksters and Bernie Madoff.

If you're playing around with other people's money, you have to be fully honest about what's going on.

I mean, there's not even a police report about this robbery for gods sake!

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 2:49 PM

2:42

I am someone who knows Nat and Lucas and Kunal and Joe personally and I don't believe there was really a robbery

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 2:58 PM

take the money and run

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 3:20 PM

In that photo of items "left behind" at silent barn, you will clearly notice an empty bowl of hummus on the table... I reckon that the money will be used in a fine manner because as you all know the phyto-nutrients locked within the chickpea offer great nutrition which leads to sharp thinking.

Posted by A 5000 year old hummus recipe archeologist | September 4, 2011 3:56 PM

they do not want to ramain at that location because they cannot live there. That is why they need a new place. Your $ is so they can live and work in same place.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 3:59 PM

@2:58
just curious, what makes you believe there wasn't?

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 7:13 PM

I'm not 2:58, but , this just speculation, if there really wasn't a robbery and they're lying and a police report was filed that of course would be a crime.

However, when my brother's partner passed away cretins robbed his house when everyone was as the funeral. this happen in Park Slope in broad daylight.

So anything is possible, not judging one way or another, but until the Barnies provide a complete verifiable account there will be an air of suspicion, certainly among the sceptics.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 7:44 PM

They are obviously waiting to tell the whole story (about the shutdown by the Police and Fire Dept, and about the closed circuit footage showing it was white hipsters, and not "neighborhood hoodlums," who "broke in" and took their stuff away)... until after they reach their Kickstarter goal and people can't reverse their pledges anymore.

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 9:10 PM

What cc footage are you referring to?

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 9:52 PM

so what part of that statement said that the robbers were "white hipsters".....?

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 11:02 PM

yea, it couldve been some octaroons

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 11:30 PM

thats the word on the streetz

Posted by Anonymous | September 4, 2011 11:41 PM

They were white, they weren't identifyably 'hipsters'. The place was completey trashed and furniture ripped apart and paintings and pianos and doors and it was hellish. They may or may not be reading this right now. The damage and partying evidence originally suggested to us it was neighborhood crime under the influence of very crazy uppers which comparatively felt ok. The security tapes however suggest a really methodical, efficient burglary, which was really disheartening to see. It means the destruction was evidently planned and deliberate. We don't know who our enemies are, and we couldn't come up with justifiable guesses. All shit I'm not sure I should be sharing in public in advance of police action but fuck it. There are legal reasons police report couldn't be filed, and similarly the vacate order discussion restricted to email until very recently - but it the mean time it kinda just sucks to see accusations by 'someone who knows us' that it wasn't real. Just spent all night with Joe Ahearn compiling as much information as we could comprehensively provide to the public for our next update, published tomorrow.

This comment thread is my new blog, I've never had one before, looking forward to it. Today I had some leek arepas & great burgers by John Chavez, and affixed a video projector to the ceiling of 285 kent.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 12:34 AM

people say whatever kind of bullshit they can on this anonymous comment thing. I wouldn't believe most of it to be truth, my friend. Silent Barn is loved infinitely more than these hate threads make you think

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 1:31 AM

Does anyone else not "get" Showpaper? Like, why do the print it? Can't they just list shows on a webpage?

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 9:04 AM

I also don't get any of the diy shit. maybe it had a moment, 10 yeas ago, and 30 years ago before that, but seems like shit is fine in the club system right now. the diy spots are just dangerous shitholes

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 12:11 PM

the sound was terrible at silent barn. that's why i don't care that it's gone.

diy venues come and go, who cares. these kids think they're special just because they book bands that can't get shows elsewhere? why is that a good thing??? those bands suck.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 2:20 PM

i can't believe the kickstarter still says

"It has helped to birth the careers of The Dirty Projectors, Dan Deacon, Future Islands, Deerhunter, Teengirl Fantasy, Vivian Girls, Real Estate, The Black Lips, Pictureplane, Woods and many, many others."

that is sooo dummmbbbb

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 2:22 PM

Silent barn: worse than jelly?

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 4:10 PM

They're preparing a statement right now which respects and addresses peoples skepticism and concerns. There's a lot of legal business in this whole ordeal and they've had to be careful about what they say and don't say up till now. Keep your eye on the kickstarter. Try will be releasing a biiigggg statement very soon.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 5:27 PM

Will they also be preparing a hummus platter? Something that we can all dip into?

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 5:40 PM

5:57, yes they had to be very careful what they said and what facts they let people know about... until they reached their money goal and people's pledges couldn't be reversed

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 7:15 PM

why do you need to live in the club?

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 8:23 PM

Actually, Kunal, I affixed a projector to the ceiling of 285 Kent. The arepas were delicious.

Also, this is really painful to read.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 9:40 PM

I saw the vid of the robbery and I think I recognize the 4 lowlifes.they pulled up in their shtwagon and they were all dressed ghetto- the guy w dreads, that's Moe, he's the ringleader. the guy w the doo-rag, that's Larry. the 3rd guy who appeared to be wearing no pants just boxers, that's Curly, he's a halfwit. the older guy w blond hair and no shirt calls himself Iggy, but I don't think that's his real name. they all live in a squat in Bushwick and like to drink and carry on and smoke crack.

Posted by Anonymous | September 5, 2011 10:16 PM

Hi Jared Hiller, nice affixing.

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 12:23 AM

Frohawk withdrew his pledge.

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 1:34 AM

NO SIGN OF THAT BIG ANNOUNCEMENT

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 9:10 AM

BARNGATE 2K11

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 9:47 AM

I GOTTA PUT IT UP IN 20 MINUTES SO I CAN GO BACK TO INSTALLING THIS NEW EXHIBITION AT 285 KENT BY 11 I DRANK SO MUCH FUCKING COFFEE

come see this @ 285 Kent tomorrow ~
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=130785990350795

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 10:42 AM

Hey everyone, I need your support. I'm sick of my Bushwick apartment, and the window leaks every now and then, so I want to ask you all to help me by sending me money so that I can move to Brooklyn Heights. I know that you people are cool and kind (Hope and Change, Keep Hope Alive, all that), so I will have a party for you when I move in and get new furniture if you send in some money. Oh, I almost forgot, the party will be in the same apartment that I will be living in, so I can keep it real. So, thanks in advance for your help, I really need to move out soon. Thanks, and love and beads.

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 11:17 AM

^^^ your blog sucks. ;)

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 11:22 AM

Every town must have a place
Where phony hippies meet
Psychedelic dungeons
Popping up every street
GO TO 915 WYCKOFF

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 12:30 PM

11:17. ok. Where should I send the the money? and should I send it to you every month or just 1 time?

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 1:27 PM

yeah i wasn't really meant for blogs i'm a vacuous pile of arms

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 2:27 PM

i... i can't even do girlfriends right T_T
goodbye, brooklyn vegan

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 2:29 PM

Updatttttttted

the questions that concern most people here are in our new FAQ on the front page, about the 915 Wyckoff location
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1008830584/rebuilding-the-silent-barn

whereas the questions that concern most people in the Silent Barn community, namely, our preliminary spending idea and timeline, are in the 'Update'!

DEAR DIARY

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 5:06 PM

this update doesn't answer shit

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 6:27 PM

good update. so close!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 6:45 PM

Who cares at this point. They are going to get the money so it remains to be seen if anything will come of it. If not the contributors must have some sort of recourse.

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 6:55 PM

^^^ hard to please.

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 7:01 PM

The update actually put forth a pretty well thought out budget proposal, which kind of answers all the skepticism. It also VERY CLEARLY states that the tenants of Silent Barn, have always and will continue to pay their living expenses (rent, etc.) from their own employment outside of anything that is contributed from Kickstarter or performances at the new/old space.

It is the truth, but whether you choose to believe that will color your response to the entire project (and your comments to follow).

It really comes down to whether you believe what is stated (backed by figures and proposals) or you truly are under the impression that the entire thing is some kind of con.

Regardless, I am almost entirely positive that almost everyone who is writing the cruel and thoughtless shit on this thread has at least once attended an event at the Silent Barn, paid for entrance and enjoyed themselves.

Posted by Jared | September 6, 2011 8:16 PM

the reality is this is driven by dollar signs in eyes

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 9:34 PM

^^^ you work for free?

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 9:52 PM

If you knew anything about the financials of running a DIY space, you would know there is really no potential for significant profit. The only hope is to continue to operate the space at a minimal budget and continue at bottom line costs.

The reason that a significant amount is needed is due to start up costs. Most DIY spaces are inherited or pick up the necessary equipment over time.

Here, we are talking about starting from nothing. The equipment needed to run the space was stolen.

What side you are on in this debate pertains to your feelings about the Silent Barn as it was run previously. If you liked it, then the next space will be more of the same, but hopefully better. If you didn't like it, then I understand why you don't really get what these guys are trying to do, but I still don't get the skepticism.

Posted by Jared | September 6, 2011 10:02 PM

Bored kids who don't get out much = skeptics

Just gotta let them enjoy commenting on this site. It'll be gone eventually.

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 10:07 PM

maybe malls will one day let their employees sleep in stores.

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 10:38 PM

There's no mention of cc security footage in the new statement. Anybody know does it exist or not?

As an older person I think what SB doing is great. definitely has my seal of approval. I saw the Neptune show a couple of years ago and totally enjoyed the vibe, the people, the space.

Smart move to live in the space and curate stuff at the same time. Good luck w the new venue!

Posted by Anonymous | September 6, 2011 11:43 PM

this will never happen with that budget

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 12:42 AM

"The money necessary for us to become a full-fledged operating venue with a bar is far beyond the scope of this fundraising campaign, and not something that any of us are particularly interested in. Our goals for legality are centered around finding a space in which we can operate in the mix between performance and installation that has always been our focus. While we would like to explore future possibilities for a liquor license and other such goals for a full fledged club, that's not something we feel is a priority, and would rather do away with those aspects to our model that attempt them at this time."

in other words, it's still going to be completely illegal.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 12:45 AM

Or they might just not sell booze.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 3:07 AM

Depends on the new space but for starters I would think about diverting money from Babycastles and Partylab to the construction costs. Sheetrock and studs cost next to nothing, but if you talking
new windows, flooring, basic plumbing, soundproofing (?) you're off to the races.

Arch fees + Permits are about right.

Insurance ($1000) seems low.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 8:49 AM

I have never attended a show at the Silent Barn, and I have nothing but sympathy for any robbery or likewise, but fuck if I'm gonna give any money to a buncha lazy ass rich kids so they can put off joining the human race and actually contribute to our society in any meaningful way.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 9:43 AM

They should starve in a rat-infested apartment like the rest of us. Freaking chutzpah!

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 9:44 AM

The residents of Silent Barn are anything but lazy and once again, the money contributed WILL NOT BE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE THE LIVING EXPENSES OF THE PEOPLE OCCUPYING THE SPACE.

These are people that, trust me, are forced to work much harder then those with a "normal" job, because they have normal jobs, on top of basically running at art space for free, in there spare time.

What exactly do you consider contributing to society in a meaningful way? How is fostering an art community and taking on the burden of running an art space not a significant societal contribution? These people are entrenched in the artistic community so much that they sacrifice a normal existence to make it happen.

I don't understand why people assume that living in the performance space is someone an unequivocal benefit. You sacrifice privacy and personal space by basically inviting strangers into your house on a nightly basis. Would any of you prefer to have strangers in your shared living space every night? I doubt it.

It takes a certain kind of person to do that, and it is anything but laziness that would provide for it.

Posted by Jared | September 7, 2011 10:14 AM

if "new Silent Barn" is still going to be not quite legal as a music venue, and not at all legal as a bar...

then what the heck is this $40000 fund for?

it was certainly sold as a drive to legalize the space. you can't raise money saying it's for one thing, then go and do something else entirely!

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 10:37 AM

Flux Factory is another place running on an interesting art residency model. Market Hotel was too. A pretty big difference in how Silent Barn operated is that the residency, kitchen, and music venue were all in the same, undivided, shared space, but that's more about attitude: I'm sure the operating budget is similar. Venues like Silent Barn don't take in a lot of money, and rely on some people that care a lot and feel in tune with the concert use of the space enough to live in a more unpredictable space and efficiently use their own personal rent budget to help the venue. Silent Barn's actual group of residents, like any of these other art residency venues, is always changing, partly because the wilder living conditions aren't easy in the long term. The residents shouldn't be confused with people that direct and manage Silent Barn and for example, oversee this fundraiser. The people who run Silent Barn do overlap with the residents, but constitute a much larger group of people.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 10:56 AM

good 4 sb.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 10:58 AM

contributing to society in a meaningful way = having jobs that allow for them not to ask me for a handout, just like I don't ask you for one

jaggoff

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 11:08 AM

This new space is just gonna get shut down again if they don't get legal with the City about selling booze and they don't get legal about having live performances with large numbers of attendees.

Who cares about legalizing their bedrooms? I don't think anyone thought that THAT was what we were funding

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 11:16 AM

Selling booze is not a necessary in order to finance smaller show operational costs. It's necessary in order to make a lot of money to meet larger costs, but if our operating costs can be mitigated by other sources of income (for example, utility grants & rent), we don't have to prioritize booze or invest in the sustainability of selling booze. If we raise $12K on top of all other expenses, we can look into buliding liquor license, but that shouldn't be a priority for our supporters investment. If a bar gets shut down, the venue itself isn't getting shut down at all, and the shows can continue. If the building gets vacated for building violations, that suspends all operations at the space - we are spending the money on starting up a new space that doesn't carry with it such a heavy risk of being permanently shutdown.

Party Lab & Babycastles spending criticism is something I agree with. We published a hopeful, exciting new budget towards a highly-function new renovated space, but Babycastles (run by me) will be the first to reduce its scale. The main priority with all of this money is the single goal of finding and building a sustainable space for the Silent Barn: We'll be lucky to meet that with a $40,000 budget, but we have a lot of support in skill & labor & time that will help us, and in our budget you can see that benefit shows outside of the Kickstarter continue to pour in as well.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 11:36 AM

I'm cool w people living in the Barnyard and if I'm gong to bust their balls about being more " businesslike", then I'm certainly not going begrudge them any profit, perk, or residual that they may get.

$40K is hardly an eye watering amount of money- esp for start up project like this.

I don't know the Barnies from adam, but what they do is clearly a lot of work and if they get compensated in $$, drugs, alcohol, pussy or whatever they're into good then for them. Enjoy.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 11:37 AM

11:36

That budget they put out says that they aren't going to get right with the building department for the place to be a real venue, just as a "gallery".

When you say they want to be protected from being vacated for building violations, that's only true as it pertains to the "they live there" aspect of what they do there,

There are a lot of building code laws about being legal as a music venue too! The authorities are stricter on that stuff than on illegal dwelling stuff because there's a potential for lots of people to die all at once in a club fire.

And illegal booze? Well, they say they were paying their rent from outside jobs before this all happened, but they were still selling beer and shit no liquor license. What would be different now?

Still illegal.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 12:08 PM

So they raised 40000 to make sure they could still live at the space. Don't seem like there was any other goal in mind, just that they get to keep living in the party zone.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 12:16 PM

You know a lot of people had doubts they could go legit for this small amount of money.

What's even crazier is they solicited the money but aren't going to try to be legal when they reopen.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 12:43 PM

40,000 bucks can open a decent hummus shop. Complete with fancy good processors and decent imported olive oil.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 3:13 PM

Did I miss something? I thought they were trying to legalize that spot on Wyckoff?

Now they're just opening a new underground space somewhere else? How is that even remotely the same project? They should give back the money.

Posted by Anonymous | September 7, 2011 6:25 PM

I don't get the hummus jokes. Is it some stupid stereotype?

Posted by Anonymous | September 14, 2011 12:46 AM

The hummus thing originated from the cubicle people in the Bowery Presents office as a device to stifle threads where they were being shittalked.

It is a reference to the fact that the site is called Brooklyn VEGAN. Hummus = vegan subject matter.

It began to be used whenever Bowery Presents and their venues were being trashtalked here, the idea being to bore the readers and lurkers and to frustrate haters on threads.

Basically, if there was a thread about, for instance, how bad Terminal 5 sucks ass... the Bowery Presents employees would start inanely discussing hummus and chickpeas until the conversation stopped.

Then it became a thing for "in the know" commenters to invoke on any thread they were sick of.

Now it's just a dumb meaningless thing copycat losers say here.

Posted by Anonymous | September 14, 2011 5:10 PM

@ 5:10
Thanks for the explanation! I thought it was some weird "hipsters love hummus" thing. Glad I was wrong :)

Posted by Anonymous | September 16, 2011 12:28 AM

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone."

no new location. guess it was a big scam.

Posted by Anonymous | November 9, 2011 6:17 PM

that new Silent Barn location is AWESOME. really glad they took 40 thousand dollars from the community to get it!!

Posted by Anonymous | December 16, 2011 7:51 PM

cbgb's. never forget

Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2012 12:55 AM

Best of luck on this! Hoping for the best!!

Posted by New York Web Designer | November 11, 2012 8:29 AM

i hope there will be glory hole for anonymous ice cream eating. i totally love ice cream cones and anything on woosdist

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