Posted in music on September 28, 2011

Steve Albini (Shellac) @ ATP NY 2008 (more by Zach Dilgard)
Steve Albini

Steve Albini tells Gothamist:

Well, there's the thing about New York. New York is such a monolith that it's pointless to have an opinion about it. It's like bitching about the weather. It certainly won't accomplish anything and it certainly won't make you feel better about what you didn't like. New York has a couple of characteristics that are undeniable and one of those is that it's a magnet for assholes who couldn't get any attention at home and decided that the problem wasn't that they weren't interesting but that there were all these squares around them in Dubuque or whatever and they need to go to some big cosmopolitan city like New York where people will appreciate them. So if you can imagine that scenario playing out within every city in North America and every one of those assholes with an opinion slightly outreaching his ability getting on a fucking Greyhound. You end up with a pretty good description of what's annoying about New York is that it's full of people whose self-image just ever-so-slightly outstrips their ability.

I studied painting under in college under Ed Paschke, who is dead now, he was a brilliant, brilliant educator. He was one of the only people in college who actually taught me anything. I mean, I learned a lot while I was in college, don't get me wrong, but not a lot of it was academic and not much of it was taught to me, it was primarily stuff I learned on my own. But he was one of the few people that actually taught me anything. But at one point, and he was the first person to make me aware of this, of being in New York. He described it as the "catch-all of runners up." And I think that's probably what annoys me about New York when I'm annoyed by it. Whatever they're doing at the moment, that's not really them, in their minds. Like, I'm working in this bookstore but I'm not a bookstore clerk, I'm a writer. Or like, I'm working in the restaurant but I'm not a waiter, I'm an actor. There are all these people who are not the thing that they are doing at the moment and therefore feel demeaned by every second of their existence. And the chip on New York's shoulder is the thing that keeps everything on the ground there. It's the massive weight that causes all of the gravity that happens in New York.

Having said that. I'm going to do that English thing. Oh, he's such a cunt. [Fake British accent] I mean that in the nicest way. [Laughter] I mean this in the nicest way really but he is just such a cunt, you know. Really I just want to murder him, I mean I love him, but I just want to murder him.

Full interview at Gothamist. Shellac, like Chavez, plays ATP in NJ on Friday. Shellac's tour then also brings them to Brooklyn for two shows at the Bell House.

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Comments (173)

I'm a born and bred New Yorker, and I couldn't agree with him more. And bonus points for the shout out to a town in Iowa.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:01 PM

Albini would love frohawk.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:02 PM

He's got a point, but that only applies to a fraction of people here. For every "runner up", I've met plenty of amazing people in NYC that really are doing something substantial. But being the huge city that it is, you'll find every kind here. That's what's so great about it. Plus, you could rewrite that entire critique and replace "New York" with "Los Angeles" and no one would bat an eyelash.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:04 PM

Best point of the real article is how depressing journalism is right now, reposts of this on some shit loser blog. Great job, pat your self on the blog for being on the internet.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:05 PM

This is classic BV troll bait if I've ever seen it. Let the comments flow like hummus...

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:05 PM

Keep trying to stay relevant albini.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:07 PM

Wow, he acts like he knows...

Posted by Zooey | September 28, 2011 6:08 PM

Albini is a cult leader. He likes to establish a bunch of arbitrary rules and then use them as a sort of safety blanket to lord over his flock, which is made up of the most marginalized people around. He caters to the fat, the nerdy, the socially inept etc. He exploited this dynamic really well in the early 90's, opining on all matters of the music scene. He was old enough to know better than, and he is REALLY old enough to know better than that now. But that's who he is, a small minded manipulator. So while it is terrific that he has created this one narrative that is supposed to apply unilaterally to a city of 8 million + people, it's straight up bullshit. Not surprised he doesn't like NYC, as his little BS power play tactics won't work here.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:09 PM

This just sounds like another case of Chicago envy vs. New York. Sure New Yorkers try harder then what they can attain on average then people in Chicago, but that's because people in Chicago are the Midwest losers that didn't have the balls to go to New York City.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:10 PM

Why didn't Albini stay in Missoula instead of moving to the third largest city in America, a city that presumably has its share of 'runner-ups'? Guess he wasn't being appreciated there.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:12 PM

Skippy Handleman has really aged poorly.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:13 PM

Its funny Albini should mention his time in college. At Northwestern in the late-70s, early 80s, he was reknowned as the biggest jerkoff on campus. One of those guys that literally everyone hated. He was also a complete fraud. "I studied painting". What a fucking blowhard. He sounds worse than these imaginary people he's creating to make himself feel more important than New York.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:13 PM

6:12 nailed it. The dude is from MT and he is on his high horse because he only moved to the THIRD largest city in America. Albini is a fucking idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:14 PM

i know someone, who knew someone, who used to poke albini in the butt.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:15 PM

Whoever smelt it dealt it Steve-o

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:17 PM

seriously for such a 'massive' music scene barely any bands get any notoriety out of chicago. a bunch of boring pop bands and emo fall out boy bullshit from the suburbs.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:22 PM

6:10

You are probably one of the hipsters in W'burg who grew up in Des Moines or Omaha. I hope you were not raised in a big city, because you use "then" when you should be using "than"

You grammar loser

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:22 PM

Honestly if you actually give a shit or even pay attention to what Steve Albini says or thinks then you are probably one of the morons he blathers on about in that article.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:24 PM

It's sad that NY'ers are going to pay $ to see this asshole do the SAME act he has been doing for the last 15+ years. How about you write a song every once in awhile instead of playing ATP for the 50th time? Zzzzzzz... He might not like NYC but he sure likes our $. Seriously fuck this guy.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:25 PM

It seems OFWGKTA mostly disappeared after Albino called them out. Is NYC going to disappear too? I am scurred.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:27 PM

The Sausage King speaks....

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:35 PM

NYC mediocre > Chicago excellent

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:39 PM

he's right...and all of you know it

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:39 PM

^Yeah 8 million people all with the same story. Makes alot of sense.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:44 PM

if New York is some runner up haven... Chicago didn't even make the winners' circle

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:48 PM

I like Chicago, but the town is full of sausage eating fatties and corn-fed dames. What do they know about partying, or anything else?!?!

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:54 PM

He is only talking about SOME people. He does have a point though

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:56 PM

Chicago has almost as much NYC-envy as Boston. Almost.

But no people can be as jealous of NYC as Bostonians. It is simply not possible.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:58 PM

chicago has better pizza than nyc

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 6:59 PM

This probably applies to 86% of the posters on this board

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:03 PM

Hey Chicago sausage nerds it's called exercise, look into it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:04 PM

6:59 really nailed it regardless of truth

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:05 PM

When did this fallacy arrive that it is somehow a character flaw to move around? When did people allow themselves to become beholden to one city or one place? And when did being born in one place somehow become an accomplishment?

Albini is full of shit. It feels like an offshoot of your typical 'hipster' complaint. And the 'hipster' complaint is also full of shit. "Hipsters' aren't real and never have been. It is a figment of a certain section of society's collective inferiority complex.

6:25 had it right. Maybe Albini should focus his energies on writing an actual song or producing a record that isn't horrible, and chill on the half-witted sociological commentary.

And yes, also, Chicago you could stand to loose some weight.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:13 PM

6:59

still lives in his parents' basement in a chicago suburb

and 7:13

obviously grew up in the midwest or Idaho, and now lives in williamsburg or bushwick

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:18 PM

^ no, but so what if I did? Immigrants, in general, are some of the brightest and best of where they come from. This city was built by immigrants. That whole sentiment is bogus.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:23 PM

Steve albini here. Go back to iowa, you stupid pukes.

Posted by steve albini | September 28, 2011 7:33 PM

6:22

You are probably one of the hipsters in Park Slope who grew up in Dayton or Akron. I hope you were not raised in a big city, because your inept use of punctuation is pathetic.

You punctation loser.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:40 PM

More people from Chicago would to move around, the only problem is they can't- they're too goddamn FAT.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:42 PM

Where you are from carries no weight in NYC. Sorry, but it's true.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:43 PM

Austin has no runners up. Nothing but winners over here. Runners up are put to DEATH. Everyone here is pleasant to the eyes.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:53 PM

Gotta love Chicago, even a pencil neck like Albini has managed to cultivate a double chin.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 7:57 PM

Hey everyone, cheer up! We are just trying to get by. Chicago is nice, but windy, and NYC ain't bad sometimes too. 'Hipsters' do exist, but we're all on a site called brooklyn vegan, so let's not point fingers, right? Also, grammar and punctuation and spelling are not really cool things to worry about, let's leave that to my mom (she loves that stuff)! Besides the guy who said all this negative stuff looks like he hasn't been happy with himself for awhile. He is in a band (I guess?) but seems to think that he has life pretty much figured out. That's kinda awesome in itself. Keep rocking Steve (if I'm right about the band thing).

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:01 PM

according to the article, which apparently nobody bothered to read, Albini lives in NJ now.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:05 PM

^oh my. Reading comprehension fail....

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:07 PM

He comes off like a mean spirited asshole, which puts him right at home with the Brooklyn Vegan comments section.

Ridiculing working artists for not being successful enough for him to want to pay attention to is... just being a dick. So what if NYC has a lot of struggling artists creating work? Why is that so terrible to him?

I'm a life long New Yorker, but I'm happy people come here to make art, or music, or write and who are here to be around like minded people. Who I despise are the ones who come and are trying to make NYC like the suburbs. I guess Steve doesn't have a problem with them; he just hates the artists and those who are struggling to create work. Again... asshole.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:08 PM

@8:05 Actually, the article says that ATP's new home is in New Jersey, not Albini's.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:30 PM

i can't get my post past the spam filter. go to his wiki and notice that everything he's ever done is disposable at best. you haven't done fucking anything dude

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:33 PM

^Uh...Bush??

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:36 PM

fine, Bush

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:38 PM

The Chicago Hummus isn't bad though, but it doesn't come close to the supurb blends that are abound on Bedford avenue.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:38 PM

^Uh.....Albini is the largest producer of sausage rock in the midwest

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:40 PM

fine, midwest sausage rock

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:42 PM

@8:33 Don't you hipsters go for that Joanna Newsom?

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:43 PM

Chicago hummus has trans-fat

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:44 PM

^Uh....Albini runs a rock star fantsy camp for nerds. It's called Electrical Audio.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:46 PM

let's just start with 7:40, an obvious transplant.

the rest of the comments reek of being typed on iPads in williamsburg

i am a born and bred new yorker, and proud.
i am not saying the rest of you are annoying losers who should leave my city, but i am saying, um, well, yeah, i guess i am saying that.

go away

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:48 PM

@8:33

More prominent artists that Albini has worked with include Nirvana, The Breeders, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Helmet, Chevelle,[6] Robert Plant, Fred Schneider, The Stooges, Mogwai, The Jesus Lizard, Owls, Pixies, Don Caballero, PJ Harvey, Manic Street Preachers, Jarvis Cocker, The Fleshtones, The Wedding Present, Bush, Joanna Newsom, Nina Nastasia, The Frames, Jawbreaker, The Membranes, Superchunk, Low, Dirty Three, Cheap Trick, Slint, Veruca Salt, Zao, Pezz and Neurosis.

yep, that list is totally disposable. you nailed it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:50 PM

^can't get a girl in Williamsburg to pay him no mind

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:51 PM

8:50 Albini is an engineer he mostly hits 'record'. Often he even fucks that up.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:54 PM

^fhdskjfhjkdshfkjds

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 8:56 PM

Big Black was pretty good. Probably 20 years ahead of its time. Otherwise, whatever.

Posted by Joly MacFie | September 28, 2011 8:59 PM

8:51

the guy who buys lots of PBR for people, then goes to somebody's crib and steals their stuff while they are asleep

just like he learned to do in Boise

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 9:04 PM

fine, Electrical Audio.

8:50 is an awestruck tween or a rock critic's dupe.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 9:08 PM

^haha this dude invited some guy to his crib because he bought him a PBR and then got his shit stolen. What an asshole....haha...

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 9:11 PM

Chicago people always had a big chip on their shoulder about New Yorkers..... New Yorkers in turn never gave two shits about Chicago

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 9:12 PM

i love albini i love the wedding present

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 9:13 PM

Bitches about bitching about New York; bitches about New York.

Posted by bm | September 28, 2011 9:20 PM

He recorded Scrawl, which makes him alright with me.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 9:30 PM

^Uh....Albini wrote an article to teach retards how the music business worked at the time.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 9:33 PM

Who was that fool, a transplant, that organized the car-free Saturdays, shutting down Bedford Ave? Basically killing business deliveries. Doesn't he live in CT now?

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 9:52 PM

fine, he's a businessman

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 10:00 PM

Steve Albini is just such an insufferable curmudgeon. One man should not be able to contain so much vitriol. Can someone make an Albini ad-libs? Must include holier-than-thou putdowns, quotable obscenities, and the kind of character assassination that violates the Geneva Conventions. No snark allowed: just pure, acrid venom. Oh, and HE'S IN COLLUSION WITH VIRGIN TRAINS! Obviously.

Posted by sean | September 28, 2011 10:09 PM

Chicago likes to say it enjoys a healthy rivalry with New York and Los Angeles.

New York and Los Angeles, however, would say they enjoy a rivalry with each other.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 10:10 PM

That's it! I'm officially done reading his food blog!

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 10:10 PM

^MES nailed it

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 10:11 PM

But, basically, my reaction to these usually is: "You're not wrong, Steve Albini. You're just an asshole."

Posted by sean | September 28, 2011 10:15 PM

When compared to the $pin Doctors, everbody else in town is definitely a runner up.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 10:18 PM

Good Lord. Maybe I should have read the Kimya Dawson post after all.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 10:38 PM

Nobody's pointed out that Albini is usually fed this bait...before going on that diatribe:
So this is an interview for Gothamist, which is a New York-centric website. I believe you. Do you have any New York stories that you’d care to share? (No.)

You ridiculed New Yorkers pretty badly at your last Bell House show.

then he says his stuff. He was led into it. Albini doesn't just rant about shit he hates. People know he hates shit, so to get press, they ask him about it, and he answers earnestly. And at least he believes his opinion. Most people have opinions that would make them look like equally large assholes that they haven't thought out...they just think it to think it (e.g. Tea Party).

Albini doesn't like your city...so if that upsets you and makes you say he's old and bitter...well you're probably just a pussy. If you like New York, then who cares, and stop telling people on the internet board you like it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 11:35 PM

^^that wasn't some leading question. it's the guy from the forms who did the interview. they recorded two records with him. it was a friendly interview if you read the whole thing.

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2011 11:55 PM

who is steve albino?

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:01 AM

Ha! Ha! 81 comments and he is irrelevant and lousy...oh the...forget it be lost on this crowd.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:19 AM

My favorite thing to do in Chicago is look out the window of the plane.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:27 AM

Chicago's a great place. It's Albini who's lame.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:44 AM

Albini hates New York, Canada, and Odd Future, what else is new?

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:51 AM

Man he's ugly.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 1:44 AM

Mark my words... someone will make an attempt on Albini's life at ATP this weekend. And they'll probably work for Strand Books and have 2 unfinished novels saved on their hard drive.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 1:53 AM

dang, stupid fat chubby nerd who is bad with women and had strong bad on his latest disappointing Math Dad Rock album doesn't like those nyc kids. call in the national guard

Posted by Coolguy420 | September 29, 2011 2:27 AM

Holy shit Albini nailed it! He may be an asshole, but he's spot on with this. Most arts/music/lit in nyc....total crap.
-Born n' bred nyc

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 3:18 AM

Yes well said 6:12 PM and 6:13 PM. Albini makes a point, but clearly does not realize that does not apply to the 8 + million people here.

Chicago as noted above has the same "runners up". The Chicago indie scene as in lets just say SOME Touch And Go bands and Drag city even has a bunch of flakes who are chameleons just like some NYC bands are with their identity. They were fake enough to be in shit movie high fidelity. You know who you are. Some musicians who are NOT from Chicago just like Albini that are transplants.

Now lets get one thing straight. Shellac have done NOTHING new musically since literally 1995 maybe. The same dirge where the songs are too similar like some awful bland crap.

In the late 80s' he was hated in may cities for his self importance, ego, and accusing bands like Tar of ripping him off. Unfortunately so many bands now follow the leader little Albini with lets all buy guitars from this place, Electric Guitar Co. Nice guitars, and too expensive, and its like the obligatory lets all play fender Jazz masters etc. because thats the designated SY guitar indie guitar.

Remember Albini over the years has been truly hated for his over inflation and he has had nick names from music journalists critics in Chicago of all places that put him in his place. He did better when Jesus Lizard and others gave him shit so he

See its obvious theres shallow fashion plate trust fund kids in NYC just like Chicago and many of those kids are born and bred in those cities from banker real estate backgrounds.

Hows that Missoula these days??

He had a joke played on him, one of many, where his phone number was given out for a grievance line when Jerry Garcia died from a guy from a zine that became a music magazine.
Albini was called a weiner by music writers in
Chicago years ago. Its just as bitter and fucked up there in Chicago as NYC.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 4:25 AM

Excuse me: When Jesus Lizard and other bands gave him shit years ago instead of putting the guy on a pedestal.

Does Albini live in Evanston also??
Lot's of time in a car I imagine or eating your little heart out then blogging about it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 4:42 AM

"punctation loser." HA.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 4:44 AM

Steve Albini is the Devil's wet dream.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 6:14 AM

Born and raised in New York and I also agree! He actually just described a large majority of BV readers and a large percentage of the Williamsburg population. Go the fuck back to Iowa! lmao

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 7:18 AM

Albini is right. Native New Yorkers who have tried to enjoy the fruits of a revived New York cultural scene agree with him. Transplanted New Yorkers who have done their best to put their roots down here without alienating native New Yorkers agree with him.

And I can't blame someone for thinking this is all New York looks like these days. Albini should expect a large number of people at his show just there because they were told it was a place to be and they will all be shouting to hear themselves over each other and the band. And saying everything in the form of a question, over-enunciating their R's.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 7:45 AM

Albini's points = 100% correct
Albini making the points = epic fail

He's right, but he's a stupid old twat and needs to join that guy looking for the Radiohead time machine and mid-nineties Camry.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 8:00 AM

looks like he hit the nail on the head judging by all these angry replies! hahaha

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 9:39 AM

"just there because they were told it was a place to be and they will all be shouting to hear themselves over each other and the band. And saying everything in the form of a question, over-enunciating their R's."

7:45, whoever you are, you are near and dear to my heart.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:00 AM

9:39 - I don't know what thread you are reading, but this one seems to have quite a few posts from native New Yorkers that agree wholeheartedly with him. But, I'm sure you will see the world the way you want to see it. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, like they say over at the New York Times.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:08 AM

Stereotyping, yeah that's definitely the sign of an intelligent person. the fact is that the most creative and brilliant minds from all over the world have ben coming to NY
for the past several centuries to seek fame + fortune. I'd venture a guess that the majority started out doing menial jobs. to denigrate them isn't just condescending, it's ignorant.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:11 AM

albini fails to grasp what makes new york unique amonst hipster havens....

and that factor is MONEY. the children of the richest people on earth live here. they may be from here, or from nearby, or may migrate from elsewhere. it really doesn't matter at all.

if you want a culprit for why new york can be infuriating, that's it right there

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:11 AM

Yes there is only one reason anyone moves to NYC, and it is is because they were runner up wherever they came from. Terrific point. Super intellectual.

Native new yorkers who are upset, maybe it's time to broaden your wings? If you're sitting around upset at hipsters or transplants things might not be going so well.

And Albini, hahah. Twelve year old's mind in a fifteen year old's body.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:11 AM

Dude this is Albini's move. He aligns himself with losers. So he makes a point that is sympathetic to losers (in this case people who are butthurt by transplants) and corals them into his fan base. It's genius really. I mean the people who are angry at transplants aren't exactly winners and they will fit right in with the other factions of his supporters. Seriously, have you ever seen the audience at a Shellac show? It's like all factions of Caucasian society that can't get a date converge at one point.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:18 AM

I think he was talking directly to BV commentors lol

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:28 AM

10:18 dead on. Have you ever seen your typical Shellac fan? These people WISH they could be runner up. Those weirdos couldn't crack the top 100. Little fat bearded sausages. Seriously it's the dregs of the music scene.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:30 AM

Wait, people are upset that tons of other places in the US export their best looking daughters to NYC? Yeah, that's terrible.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:36 AM

who???

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:57 AM

Steve Albini

Born July 22, 1962 (1962-07-22) (age 49)
PASADENA, CALIFORNIA

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 10:58 AM

Do you think growing up a skinny little nerd had any effect on Albini's personality and worldview?

lulz, at anyone who ever took this reactionary little twerp seriously.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:00 AM

I have no use for Albini, but there is a ton of truth in what he said.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:07 AM

Steve Albini likes to stir the shit, and this is no exception.

That being said, anyone getting all red-faced and huffy about his generalization is undoubtedly guilty of what he's slinging.

All he's saying is cut the pompous shit, and be self-aware. Is that really something worth getting pissed off about? Even if, as always, he's saying it like an asshole?

"Fuck him! Just because I'm a barista 23 hours a day doesn't mean I can't tell girls at the bar that my career is 'musician'. He doesn't know me!"

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:10 AM

As a Native New Yorker, I gotta say it: if you're not a Native American, then shut the fuck up with your complaints about people from anywhere else moving anywhere else.

Posted by Madam_Robot | September 29, 2011 11:11 AM

11:11 wins the prize for most moronic comment.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:13 AM

When you find yourself in the thick of it, help yourself to a little bit to what is all around you...silly girl.

Posted by George | September 29, 2011 11:32 AM

problem is Albini said 'New York"as a cover-all term, when he really meant people who moved to NY in pursuit of fame or success in show business or the art world whatever. Of course, he didn't make that distinction because that wouldn't have brought him any attention.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:33 AM

Watching a BV commenter get offended by this article is like watching a guy in an Eagles Jersey and green face paint get offended by tales of booing Santa or throwing batteries.

If the shoe fucking fits, people...

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:34 AM

When you find yourself in the thick of it, help yourself to a bit of what is all around you...dum dum.

Posted by Zooey | September 29, 2011 11:36 AM

You people have such a hard-on for Steve Albini (or really any quasi-famous indie rocker with glasses); it's not surprising when I saw that there were already 100+ comments. Even Radiohead isn't slowing down the count here!

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:40 AM

NYC would collapse if people didn't relocate here. The native population is overwhelmingly useless as evidenced by the pathetic high school graduation rate among other things. Sure the city is a magnet for losers and other people with excessively high opinions of themselves, but they mostly fail and eventually burden other municipalities with their diseased loserdom.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:41 AM

11:40 it's not because Albini, please. He created NYC dram and that always get comments.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:46 AM

Hey Steve, you seem to know everything, how many morbidly obese people live in Chicago and have no talent whatsoever to speak of? just curious.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:59 AM

I do have a great deal of respect for Mr. Albini's production abilities. With that being said, he is very lucky to have made it in an industry where it's hard to financially survive. I am a 39 year old, married father of one who is a transplanted New Yorker. I am from Little Rock, Arkansas and I do wear my roots on my sleeve. If you ask me where I am from, I always answer proudly that I am an Arkansan. I am also a musician that does not make a penny from my art. I work a full time job as a Credit and Collection Specialist to pay my bills and support my family, but it does not define me on a creative level. It would be my dream to make enough money to survive from music, Mr. Albini should be so blessed. From my experience, most artist in any city survive from working in bookstores or restaurants, but it's probably not their passion. I don't come from money, I work an honest living and I do have more talent/passion in my pinky finger than most musicians in the current spotlight. I am not bitter and have zero animosity that I have not been given a lucky break, but I will always be hungry to get my music out there. Mr. Albini should think before he speaks. When in reality, he is kind of bashing the very people that do respect and support his talents to the fullest. Sounds like Albini has three careers, musician, producer and part time douchebag. I am not hating, I am just saying. In Utero does rule though!

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:00 PM

I do have a great deal of respect for Mr. Albini's production abilities. With that being said, he is very lucky to have made it in an industry where it's hard to financially survive. I am a 39 year old, married father of one who is a transplanted New Yorker. I am from Little Rock, Arkansas and I do wear my roots on my sleeve. If you ask me where I am from, I always answer proudly that I am an Arkansan. I am also a musician that does not make a penny from my art. I work a full time job as a Credit and Collection Specialist to pay my bills and support my family, but it does not define me on a creative level. It would be my dream to make enough money to survive from music, Mr. Albini should be so blessed. From my experience, most artist in any city survive from working in bookstores or restaurants, but it's probably not their passion. I don't come from money, I work an honest living and I do have more talent/passion in my pinky finger than most musicians in the current spotlight. I am not bitter and have zero animosity that I have not been given a lucky break, but I will always be hungry to get my music out there. Mr. Albini should think before he speaks. When in reality, he is kind of bashing the very people that do respect and support his talents to the fullest. Sounds like Albini has three careers, musician, producer and part time douchebag. I am not hating, I am just saying. In Utero does rule though!

Posted by GordonGreenSky | September 29, 2011 12:02 PM

There are hundreds of thousands of poor immigrants who come to NYC and work in kitchens and the service industry and bust their asses working 20 hour days to put food on their families' tables - and you're damn right they're not where they want to be in life. But Albini is either judging them or ignoring them and either way, he's an arrogant uninformed elitist prick.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:13 PM

THANKS INTERNET THERE ARE NOW ASSHOLES EVERYWHERE PRETENDING THEY ARE SOMETHING THAT THET ARENT. NO BUS REQUIRED.

Posted by wait wait | September 29, 2011 12:15 PM

Thanks Steve for telling the HARD FUCKING TRUTH as always.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:21 PM

What I love about leaving New York is complaining about every other city, & how it, & it's people suck in comparison to mine. I, of course, can't understand anyone else from anywhere else possibly having anything negative to say about New York.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:21 PM

Let's narrow this down okay? We are talking about most of Manhattan and gentrified Brooklyn - ahhhhh come on - NYC has a TON of mediocre people that imagine themselves special - they are EVERYWHERE - the only thing that makes Manhattan/gentrified Brooklyn a little different is that you have more access to resources, talents, etc and that rubs off, and then they get busy in the business of identity building from that rub off. And once they've completed this transformation they get the stinky nose about anyone else who has been down the plastic surgical formation of identity. As a disclaimer I hate almost everyone that probably means you too.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:23 PM

I take back what I said about 11:11. 12:13 is clearly an even bigger moron.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:25 PM

Albini has NY confused for LA...

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:26 PM

That's the thing about NY and why Albini's opinion doesn't really stick..

It's a city of MULTI-MILLION people.. It's nothing but a bitter generalization.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:30 PM

I love 12:00pm's comment and it gives me some solace that the world isn't just filled with you assholes. The rest of you saying "Steve speaks the truth" have either never created anything or are just assholes themselves. Which is, not surprising, considering where on the internet I am.

I'm lucky enough to be financially independent from writing, but there was a long period where I was not. Did Steve forget about that period? Or was he able to trust fund himself magically into a career? I liked his music industry essay from a few years ago, but here he looks like an arrogant prick.

For those of you still struggling with creative pursuits but can't pay the rent that way: keep creating. Good luck to you - and ignore this asshole.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:38 PM

you are all idiots.

Posted by lol | September 29, 2011 12:48 PM

it's true! NO ONE moves to NYC for school, work, family, love etc. etc. etc. Everyone knows everyone moves here because they want to be famous and couldn't accomplish that goal where they were originally from.

Why anyone takes this guy seriously is beyond me.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:49 PM

I take it on the face, but tell people I'm an actor. Am I lying?

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 12:53 PM

ha. could have said it more succinctly though - "nyc is full of smacked asses" and ended it at that.

id rather be in tokyo.

Posted by ron | September 29, 2011 12:55 PM

"....and I do have more talent/passion in my pinky finger than most musicians in the current spotlight. I am not bitter and have zero animosity that I have not been given a lucky break"

Ha.

Posted by streetdude | September 29, 2011 1:09 PM

Black Oak Arkansas were awesome

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 1:15 PM

Albini is right. Brooklyn Vegan lives in New York and BV is a communist who bans free speech.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 1:25 PM

BV hates the SSSSPPPPPIIINNN DOOOOCCCTORS. Enough said

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 1:32 PM

Steve meant to say LA not NYC

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 1:33 PM

Albini is an asshole but he's 100% correct on this one

Posted by Flynn | September 29, 2011 1:40 PM

alas, an oversimplification on Albini's part, but what he describes as a motivator to come to NYC is true all too often.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it's finished with you."--DFW

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 2:08 PM

11:41 is a reason why transplants suck. Are you fucking kidding me?

"The native population is overwhelmingly useless as evidenced by the pathetic high school graduation rate among other things"

...Just awesome, pathetically awesome.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 2:10 PM

Albini is 100% right, and that is the perception around the world. Williamsburg is the new LA... has been for years now. Bookers in other parts of the US and Canada laugh at you fucks on a daily basis. You're so in your own fishtanks, and ME ME ME obsessed. Slowly destroying block by block with your ipods and facebook apps and desperate for attention shit.

I 100% guarantee anyone who disagrees with Steve is from BK, has a shitty dayglo band, and will just get married in a few years and move back to Nebraska and become an office drone. Just like everyone non-local in my neighborhood has done since 2000.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 2:47 PM

^yeah Williamsburg is really getting beat up. I mean check the property values.

Albini is like you. He sees the world through the pinhole of the music scene, so he see what he sees.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 3:03 PM

ALBINI IS SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 3:51 PM

im so ready to leave NYC

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 3:58 PM

^can't handle the competition?

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 4:07 PM

"11:41 is a reason why transplants suck. Are you fucking kidding me?"

Yeah. What did (s)he write that isn't true? NYC couldn't survive without a steady influx of educated people.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 4:25 PM

Albini's such a G-string diva.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 4:26 PM

competition is not good

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 4:41 PM

4:25 nailed it. Some of the best minds from all over the world immigrate to NYC. But i guess the graduated of the finest Universities in the world come here because they're second best at home. Makes a lot of sense Albini, way to think that one through.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 4:43 PM

Amen, Albini!

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 4:52 PM

DUANE READE RULES!!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 5:21 PM

HOLY SHIT! I rarely read this site, but I recently found out the S p i n D o c t o r s will be in NYC on Oct 23! Anyway, just figured I'd come here and see if anyone knows where exactly they'll be playing? Thanks friends!

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 6:15 PM

I am am immigrant from the Repubulic of Whackoslavokia and I shit on you Mr Albini and on your culture of Chicago where huge, very fat people live.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 6:47 PM

THOSE....THOSE......DOCTORS! .....are they......S P I N N I N G?!?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 7:17 PM

"6:10
You are probably one of the hipsters in W'burg who grew up in Des Moines or Omaha. I hope you were not raised in a big city, because you use "then" when you should be using "than"
You grammar loser"


Well, this is more than likely an audio interview, so whoever is the one editing the interview is at fault.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 9:00 PM

Steve Albini = someone who's lived by ideals his whole life

NYC = people who have no ideals and will sell their mothers into slavery to get an iPhone 9.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2011 11:54 PM

And when they get that new iphone they walk into traffic starring at their phone smirking as a car hits them.

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2011 12:30 AM

And when they get that new iphone they walk into traffic starring at their phone smirking as a car hits them.

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2011 12:51 AM

And this is coming from Albini who use to be an actor. Ever heard of a little show called Sesame Street and a wacky guy called Grover?

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2011 12:54 AM

What does Albini have against people with useless college degrees like Womyn's Studies coming to NYC and working in food service? I, for one, don't want the kind of ignorant, smelly New Yorkers who drive cabs or work in the mailroom handling my fine restaurant meal.

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2011 1:29 AM

Well that was entertaining. I can't afford to go to ATP and I thought Steve's comments were true and honest. I like you Steve, you speak realness and do not give a rat's ass if anyone is butthurt.

Posted by toast | September 30, 2011 1:49 AM

Maybe you can get a job waiting tables at ATP to be able to afford it. I hear there might be a poker table also there you can try your hand at.

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2011 3:02 AM

SOME of us came to NYC because we were invited on the merits of our vast and esteemed creative ouevre
OTHERS need a pick up gig between online poker losses, and dance like monkeys for it

Posted by LES artiste | September 30, 2011 3:19 AM

NCY!

Posted by lights out | September 30, 2011 6:12 AM

hailing Chicago, the patron city of runner up status

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2011 10:41 AM

chicago<new york

Posted by Anonymous | October 1, 2011 2:24 PM

Chicago! YAY!

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2011 11:32 AM

That guy's a cunt (no fake English accent needed).

Posted by Anonymous | January 19, 2012 4:51 PM

his glasses make him cool

Posted by tim | August 18, 2013 12:42 PM

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