Posted in music | pictures on October 16, 2011

photos by Chris La Putt

Occupy Wall St

As you probably heard, Occupy Wall Street marched up to Times Square on Saturday evening for an "Occupation Party", complete with a Shepard Fairey designed invite (see above). Chris didn't go all the way to Times Square, but he did run into the march when it hit 34th St aka right near Comic Con at the Javits. Chris's pictures, and videos from Tom Morello's recent appearance, below...

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

Occupy Wall Street en route to Times Square

TOM MORELLO OCCUPY WALL ST. "THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND"


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Comments (269)

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Posted by Cuddles the loveable tramp | October 16, 2011 10:53 PM

I understand why they'd occupy Wall Street, but Times Square? That shit's going to get chaotic. Already a mobbed tourist trap...can't even imagine the congestion.

Posted by Anonymous | October 16, 2011 10:57 PM

They have really good hummus in Zuccotti Park. No Joke. They really do have lots of hummus and it's free.

Posted by Anonymous | October 16, 2011 11:06 PM

wow, so noble.

Posted by Anonymous | October 16, 2011 11:29 PM

Fuck a Hippy cause I ain't one!

Posted by Anonymous | October 16, 2011 11:30 PM

Gross.

Posted by Anonymous | October 16, 2011 11:33 PM

It would be great if someone pied Tom Morello in the face.

Posted by Anonymous | October 16, 2011 11:36 PM

support

Posted by Anonymous | October 16, 2011 11:40 PM

I heard a rumor from a credible source that Gene Simmons is thinking about doing a counter protest.

Posted by Anonymous | October 16, 2011 11:44 PM

Someone needs to occupy Shepard Fairey.

Posted by Anonymous | October 16, 2011 11:56 PM

Occupy tourists from Ohio!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:06 AM

People need to stop occupying the comment thread on BV. 1 percent of BV commenters leave 99 percent of the comments. No longer will we stand for their terrible LCD and hummus jokes.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:07 AM

>> It would be great if someone pied Tom Morello in the face.

SOMEONE NEEDS TO PIE TOM MORELLO IF ONLY FOR AUDIOSLAVE.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:20 AM

The singer from The Grates can occupy my bedroom while she and her band are in NYC.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:22 AM

check out the schlong on the naked unemployed cowboy

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:47 AM

occupy wall street has good free food and free music. what more could you ask for?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:50 AM

Occupy Kim Gordon

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 1:05 AM

putang ina mo 1:05

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 1:22 AM

@Chris La Putt - so you marched for 30-40 minutes before they actually got to Times Square? Solidarity!

Will your next music post feature just some shots of the venue before doors open?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:33 AM

Occupy my mom

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:59 AM

These pictures are funny. Flea Party on parade.
Keith Olbermann = fitting spokesperson = no toleration for dissent, unrealistic vision of the country / world, no hope of survival in free-floating / unsubsidized market. Yup, perfect mouthpiece.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 7:26 AM

hey @2:33 i think chris was on his way to comic con when he got blocked by the crowd. thanks for trying to be a snarky douchebag though!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 7:32 AM

Especially love the pic of the occupier on his SmartPhone. Way to fight the power dude!

Posted by Sean | October 17, 2011 7:52 AM

Occupy dis right heeyah ....

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 7:56 AM

The crowd at Comic Con was better looking.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 8:11 AM

YOu people can't even make decent signs, what a joke. And the guy in his underwear - yeah, it's all about you dude.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 9:07 AM

our friendly teabagger troll isn't awake yet? gone to bank of america to cash her unemployment check, perhaps?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 9:11 AM

^I dunno about HER, but I'm awake, and I'm ready to fight you on the idiocy of this.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 9:29 AM

Not enough masks and puppets.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 9:31 AM

occupy everything

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 9:37 AM

Personally, I think Big Freedia should lead these marches. Asses everywhere.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 9:38 AM

It's the Tea Party, you idiot communist troll. and for the record...
Tea Party >>>>> Flea Party

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 9:52 AM

have they figured out what they're doing yet, or are they still just whining about not wanting to pay back their college loans after mommy and daddy cut them off? what a fucking joke.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 9:53 AM

Did someone say Flea Party?

If you really want to know what a bloodsucking parasite is check out corporate America:

Corporate America is holding back Obama's bills to close loopholes for big corporations and millionaires.This was posted in Washington Times Communities paper. Top ten list: Tax evaders' wall of shame:

The Outrageous Top Ten in Alphabetical Order 1. Bank of America took $336 billion in bailouts in 2009, but in 2010, flush with $4.4 billion in profits, it paid no taxes. Even Forbes magazine asked, how is that possible? Probably thanks to their 115 offshore tax havens. 2. Boeing just received $35 billion from our government to build 179 airborne tankers, but despite nearly $10 billion in profits from 2008 to 2010, it too paid no taxes, again thanks to foreign tax havens. 3. Citicorp took $476 billion from the bailout and then made monster profits in 2010, yet it paid no taxes, thanks to 427 subsidiaries in tax havens like the Cayman Islands and Hong Kong. 4. Exxon/Mobil, received huge oil subsidies from the government and earned $45 billion in 2009 but paid no taxes, again thanks to stashing profits in places like the Bahamas and Singapore. 5. GE – see last week’s column for the stats and facts on this corporation’s tax dodge. 6. Google utilizes a technique that moves most of its income through Ireland and Netherlands to Bermuda, making its tax rate 2.3 percent. 7. Mega Pharmaceuticals Merck earned $9 billion in profits and paid no taxes in 2010, while Pfizer (largest drug maker) owed $10 billion in taxes but found the necessary loopholes to pay no taxes, thanks to its offshore subsidiaries in places like Luxembourg and the Isle of Jersey. 8. News Corporation, Rupert Murdoch’s media monolith that owns Fox News avoids paying American taxes through its 152 subsidiaries in tax havens from the British Virgin Islands to Hong Kong. 9. Verizon, despite making $24.2 billion in pre-tax US income, paid no taxes and actually claimed a federal refund of $1.3 billion for the last two years, again all thanks to those offshore subsidiaries. 10. Wells Fargo, the fourth largest bank in the US, which took $107 billion in bailouts, wrote off all its losses by acquiring Wachovia, thus paying no taxes. Yet its CEO earned $5.6 million in cash for his salary and $13 million in stock.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 9:57 AM

Why did we bail any business out? Let them float, or sink.
You know why we gave billions to businesses? Ask your president, Barack Obama. You need look no further.
That is, when he's not overseeing the securing of loans and disbursements to his friends over the American taxpayer (Solyndra) or supplying Mexican drug gangs with automatic weapons to use on American citizens (Fast & Furious) or getting us involved in another war, over oil (Uganda).

Nigga, please. Save the BHO apologies and get your head out of your ass. The fish rots at the head.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:15 AM

Is anyone apologizing for Obama? And really, if you're gonna go after him, save it with the Fox News fake scandals. Dude ran on a bunch of stuff we like, got our votes, and turned out to be a Republican. You should love him. He's more Mitt Romney than Mitt Romney.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:19 AM

9:57 nailed it harder than I nailed your mom last night, 10:15. Nice try changing the subject. Yawn. Solyndra. Nice.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:20 AM

I get it. I think it's fucking stupid but I get it. But someone explain to me what Times Square and Washington Square Park have to do with our financial situation.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:26 AM

10:26, you have to have a good place to meet up (WSP) and a good place to get attention (Times Square). That is all.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:30 AM

I'm trying to wrap my head around the notion that Obama is a Republican.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:32 AM

Option 1. Cut taxes for the wealthy. Sign free trade agreements. Ship jobs overseas, hide profits overseas. Cut spending on education, health care, infrastructure, and Social Security. Fight more wars. Extract the national wealth and funnel it to the top 1%.

Option 2. Invest in America. Ensure that Americans are healthy and educated. Protect American jobs. Tax the wealthy to pay for our national priorities. Stop wasting trillions on foreign wars that benefit only those well-connected few in the petrochemical and military industries.

Which model is better for America?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:36 AM

They aren't models. They're idiot prattle.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:38 AM

Anyone who believes in this "Occupy" movement: IMMEDIATELY stop using a computer, cell phone or blackberry, or anything similar.

Not only is the money you spent on the hardware you bought going to a corporation, but also the ISP for which you are online is also money that's going to a corporation.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:42 AM

Should probably boycott Brooklyn Vegan too, as it's funded by the likes of Braun. The Cruzer does keep my junk as smooth as a baby's bottom, but a corporate crotch isn't right for everyone.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:50 AM

Vote Ron Paul.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 10:51 AM

@10:42 you are a narrow-sighted, ignoramus whose boughts of stupidity flow out of your mouth like cancerous diarrhea every time you ill-advisedly decide to pull your lips apart and choke out the uselessness of your insides to run past your bastard tongue, your charlatan teeth, and your cow jaw.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:11 AM

ZING!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:17 AM

Is it true about the free hummus? I hate pinko hippies as much as the next teabagger, but pinko hippies serving free lunch to my corporate ass would be worth the stench!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:19 AM

I'm not 10:42, 11:11, but I'd certainly rather be him than a low-wattage rage boy like yourself. You still haven't recovered from a lousy childhood. The wounds must have cut really deep, man. I'm sorry for your torment.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:19 AM

I was in Times Square (outside the barricades and observing, that is).

I can verify with certitude that the "movement" was represented / supported by and large by high school / college aged boys and girls, and that by and large the incoherent yelling did little to affect my life in any way whatsoever (apart from my rather quickly turning around and walking back to Town Hall to see Richard Thompson).

So far, as an independent thinker and voter, I understand and am sympathetic for having my money ill invested and ill spent by our government (regardless of who it goes to), and while this time it went to bankers and hedge funds (because they inhabit this president's cabinet nearly to a man / woman) I do believe that the problem is more with the structure giving the money away as opposed to who gets it. I think that the issue is about the government, and they should be grown up enough to say "NO" to businesses, or labor unions, or foreign regimes, or the united nations or anyone else that asks them to sacrifice our interests for the sake of their own.

So, in summary, I do not see how a loose collection of unfocused people with a skewed and partisan "manifesto" is going to do anything other than further polarize the public and just create more static in place of real solutions. Sorry guys, you add no value to the conversation.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:32 AM

Holy cow. 11:32, that was probably the most succinct and truthful thing I've ever read on here.

It's true, my friends. The issues lie with the man in power (who is supported by one of the wealthiest men in America, George Soros...) You want less money to big business? Elect a tea party-er. Look at Cain's plan - cut ALL spending, and tax everyone the same. Dude knows what he's talking about.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:36 AM

these people need to get a job already.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:39 AM

Right, Soros controls everything and Herman Cain is the answer. You are a moran.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:52 AM

Shepard fucking blows ass. Seriously, fuck that guy. He nuts all over Obama three years ago and now changes his mind and shits out that invite? What a fucking troll. He's to try to stop "branding" any and every mass social event.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:54 AM

Shouldn't you ignorant apologists be bloviating in a Wall Street Journal comments section?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:56 AM

* AND HOW ABOUT THAT PRINT ...

YES, I LOVE THE ANGELA DAVIS-ESQUE IMAGE, BUT I ALSO FIND IT UNBELIEVABLY FUCKING IRONIC THE LACK OF BLACK AMERICANS IN THESE PHOTOS, AND THE MAJORITY OF THESE PROTESTS, AND YET, GOOD OL' SHEPARD DECIDES TO "BRAND" THE OWS WITH WHAT? AN IMAGE OF A BLACK WOMAN IN ALL HER POWER.

ROCK ON.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 11:58 AM

Treat capital gains as regular income, close foreign tax shelters, end the wars, break up the big banks and insurance companies, tear up the free trade agreements, end farm subsidies, make college more affordable, incentivize desirable economic activities and de-incentivize undesirable activity (carbon tax, etc). Then watch as America grows back into the envy of the world, rather than a haven for the wealthy to bleed us all dry.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:00 PM

Where is the nearest Godfather's Pizza? Was thinking of checking out for lunch today. That $9.99 sounds like a good deal.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:01 PM

@11:32

And, Madame, what party are you affiliated with, the Bowel Movement? I think I speak for both the teabag nitwits and the anarchists alike in that we would like nothing better than to
have the slate wiped clean and start anew. Flush away this madness and let common sense rule!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:04 PM

"Shouldn't you ignorant apologists be bloviating in a Wall Street Journal comments section?"

You're projecting your desire for a cocoon onto others. What you meant to say is that becuase you're both intellectually and emotionally ill-equipped to deal with people who disagree with you, you'd prefer it if thay left so that you could feel safe. Sorry. I like indie rock. Why don't you hide on a yoga blog?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:05 PM

12:04 - I think you like typing "teabag" because since your boyfriend died of AIDS you have all of this pent up diffuse anger that you need to inflict on others.

I think that I speak for all of the other BV readers when I saw we would like nothing better than for you to jump off a fucking bridge. Shouldn't be hard to find a bridge since you live under one now.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:31 PM

12:31, you don't speak for me. You're an asshole.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:37 PM

How about instead of inflammatory comments, from BOTH sides, we actually debate? No more teabaggers, straw men, etc.

Let make smart, well researched arguments that actually mean something.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:43 PM

At least an asshole serves a purpose, 12:37. Unlike, say, an anarchist.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:44 PM

There's no sense in debating those who carry water for the Koch Bros. They are destroying this country. Their arguments are specious, their designs are dastardly, and their logic is wretched.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:47 PM

^ Lulz. The Koch brothers are probably responsible for Europe circling the drain as well. It has nothing at all to do with the bankruptcy of your belief system. Nothing at all.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 12:52 PM

I was curious about all this "Koch brothers" posting, so I did a Google.

I found a bunch of "exposes" about Koch Industries from left-leaning sources (Mother Jones, Huff Post, etc.). I failed to see anything other than mention that they supported conservative causes (I assume monetarily?).

So, unless the one obvious communist troll can come up with some substantial item - with legitimate 3rd party objective sources such as Reuters - your babbling is equivalent to those nut jobs droning on about Obama's birth certificate.

As for George Sorros, well there is a horse's ass of a completely different color. Georgie boy is in fact a convicted felon, and firmly among that alleged 1% demographic that just ain't paying his fair share. Once more, as far as I can tell the Koch people actually make stuff like Dixie Cups that benefit society, whereas Georgie the Felon got his money via hedgefunds and securities shorting > adding absolutely nothing of value to America in the process. There was a Reuters article detailing his backing of this ows business in another thread last week.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 1:54 PM

Guess you never heard of Americans For Prosperity? ALEC? Citizens United? The Kochs and their ilk have infected every level of government with their dirty money. They have propped up countless candidates in local, state, and federal elections all over the country, and they have realized a number of their legislative goals in the process. If Soros is the cancer that infects American politics, he's done a piss poor job of it in comparison.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:11 PM

Government? Bad. Taxes? Bad. Labor? Bad. Poor and minority voting? Bad. Education? Bad. Banking regulation? Bad. Social safety net to protect the poor, the elderly, the sick and the disabled? Bad.

Obscene profits? Good. Pollution? Good. Unlimited secret contributions to political campaigns? Good. Greed? Good.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:15 PM

"If Soros is the cancer that infects American politics, he's done a piss poor job of it in comparison."

I give you Barack H. Obama.

The Koch brothers are Libertarians, by the way. The idea that the crony shitbird Republican establishment in any way does their bidding is kind of ludicrous.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:19 PM

Soros has stopped giving to Democrats he's so disgusted with Obama, btw. Obama hasn't delivered for anyone except the banksters.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:24 PM

2:11 - thanks for the comment, but once again without any objective verifiable 3rd party sources for these specious claims you are tantamount to a birther, angrily shouting about some vague conspiracy involving photoshop and a legion of faceless supporters.

I do know that George Sorros funds Tides Center, Adbusters, Environmental Media Services, Open Society Institute, along with MoveOn.org and a gaggle of other subversive organizations that support a radical agenda designed to destabilize the US currency and financial system. So, there is that.

Oh, and 2:15 = not even worth a comment

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:24 PM

re. "destabilize the US currency and financial system"

THAT is how George Sorros makes his money (when he's not involved in insider trading). He profits from the loss and despair of others.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:26 PM

OWS endorsed by ... the American Nazi Party ??? [http://anp14.com/news/archives.php?report_date=2011-10-16]

In a move that may redefine the term “strange bedfellows,” the American Nazi Party issued an official endorsement of the Occupy Wall Street protest movement on Sunday afternoon. The announcement put the organization, a self-described “National Socialist” political party, in company with the Socialist Party USA, which explained its own support for the left-wing protesters in a nationwide conference call last Tuesday night, crediting organized labor with the protests’ strength and sophistication to date.

The American Nazi Party is the most politically sophisticated U.S. remnant — but by no means the only one — of white supremacist Adolph Hitler’s murderous 20th century movement. The party calls Hitler’s Mein Kampf “an ideological blueprint for healthy Aryan survival.”

In its statement on Sunday, the Westland, Mich.-based Nazi party wrote that the Occupy Wall Street protests are “TAYLOR [sic] MADE for National Socialists, as well as WN [White Nationalists] who are serious about DOING SOMETHING.”

“I urgently URGE all of you,” the statement’s unnamed author added, “to TAKE PART and JOIN IN when these protests hit your neck of the woods. Produce some flyers EXPLAINING the ‘JEW BANKER’ influence — DON’T wear anything marking you as an ‘evil racist’ — and GET OUT THERE and SPREAD the WORD!”

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:29 PM

You asshats are so off-base it's comical. Are you trained in the art of obfuscation? Is there a school they send you to before they unleash you on the internets? It is amazing to behold.

That Reuters article is deeply flawed, attempting to draw a line from Soros to OWS that frankly does not exist. Koch and co, however, directly funded and propped up the Tea Party and numerous Republican candidates at all levels. Mother Jones reporting is spot-on, and there are many other sources reporting on their nascent political empire.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:30 PM

Communist Party USA too????
[http://www.cpusa.org/solidarity-with-occupy-wall-street]

While Nazis seem unenthusiastic about visibly linking their flagship organization to the vocal protests that have popped up in dozens of U.S. cities, the same can’t be said of the Communist Party USA.

John Bachtell, an Illinois-based community organizer and Communist Party USA board member, addressed the “Occupy Chicago” protest on Saturday.

“I bring greetings and solidarity from the Communist Party,” Bachtell said to hoots and applause. “We are here, marching side-by-side. We’ll sleep here. We’ll be with this movement ’til the very – ’til we make all the changes that we know we have to make.”


Bachtell also organized the Tuesday evening conference call, with an online call to action that framed the Communist Party’s involvement as one part of a larger movement uniting the “Occupy” protesters with a “Week of Action for Jobs” organized by the AFL-CIO, and with congressional Democrats’ push to pass President Obama’s American Jobs Act.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:31 PM

Obama wants to deliver. Leftism is embedded in his DNA. The problem is that he wants a second term and he has a tenuous grip on the Senate - which means that anyone in the party with an unsafe seat is an unreliable vote.

I don't blame people on the left for being just as disgusted with him as everyone else is though. Who could have imagined in '08 that we'd actually be involved in more wars, Guantanamo would still be open and we'd routinely be killing people - a US citizen even - by unmanned drones? The burdens of leadership, I suppose. It's easier to engage in academic, pseudo-intellectual posturing from the back bench.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:32 PM

Guilt by association, another staple of right-wing trolls. Of course, of course, communists are evil, and so is OWS. Nazis? That is some delicious troll material right there.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:33 PM

2:30 - Mother Jones is a fringe leftie rag that NO respectable organization sites or aligns with.

But, you're gonna believe whatever you want and find like-minded fruitcakes to support you.

No objective 3rd party source, no grounds for specious lies.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:33 PM

Koch Industries is a major player in Republican politics. Their money speaks for itself. Deny it all you like, you're full of shit.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:34 PM

2:33 - you are the biggest troll on this whole thread.
how about schooling yourself a little before you waste our time anymore??!? Hmmmm?!?!??

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:34 PM

Wait wait wait, my favorite part, where I should go to school. HA! Oh boy. SO you support the concept that corporate dollars should be able to secretly buy elections?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:36 PM

2:34 - I just asked for sources. You have none, and your opinion doesn't count.

We've got a huge paper trail linking Sorros to all sorts of shinannigans all over this country, however. All you need is Google to find those, from major news organizations.

You are a blithering idiot troll. Go back under your bridge.

If any of you other more intelligent and courteous left-sympathizing posters can post any actual sources, I promise that I will read them. Tie up your idiot brother 2:34 and keep him under the stairs from now on though if you don't mind.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:39 PM

I wonder if Barack Obama, the first candidate to refuse public financing of his presidential campaign, will spend a billion dollars again this time?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:39 PM

And the Koch brothers are the tip of the iceberg, frankly. Fact is, with politics awash in money from big donors, it is the interests of these big donors that dominates policy-making. That is the whole point. Whichever boogieman gets named, the fact remains: money is the name of the game. Money begets power begets money. Is that how we should carry on a representative democracy? Is that a healthy way to build a society?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:40 PM

Obama is no one's friend. If Obama were an ice cream flavor, he'd be pralines, and dick.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:41 PM

hey shit-for-brains

"school yourself" ≠ "go to school"

I know, it's hard for you to visualize that. It's better to not think so hard and just keep parroting back what you are told to. It's easier that way.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:41 PM

Seriously, whose water are you carrying? Why is it that you run interference for the big-money interests?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:43 PM

2:39 - remember those promises from Barack Obama about being the most transparent administration?
examiner dot com /libertarian-in-national/obama-administration-fights-to-keep-wh-visitor-logs-secret

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:44 PM

2:39 = 2:44.

OBAMA IS NOT THE MAN WE THOUGHT WE ELECTED. GET IT STRAIGHT. NO ONE IS DEFENDING HIM EXCEPT FOR DEMOCRATIC PARTY STOOGES.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:45 PM

Wow. I read that Nazi article. I knew that there weren't a lot of people of color down at the protests, but Nazi sympathizers? No, I don't think I want any part of that.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:45 PM

WOW, NAZIS!! OWS IS NAZIS!!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:46 PM

"Is that a healthy way to build a society?"

This is kind of a circle jerk, though. The bigger, more muscular a government you have, the more money will seek to influence it. People on the left labor under the impression that big corporations like capitalism, when in fact they are simply rent seekers. The entirety of the TEA Party is opposed to this, as are the Kochs. The actual enemy is the establishment, regardless of party. While I'm not especially impressed with Sarah Palin, I find it amusing how the left relentlessly attacks her given the way she took on Big Oil and the Republican establishment in Alaska.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:47 PM

Hey dick hat 2:45
2:39 is not 2:44, and Obama is your albatross - you brought that shit bird, and you're gonna have to live with the consequences of your choices.

If you were alive when Brother Ronnie come in on the flood of 1980, you haven't seen anything compared to the storm about to smack you in the face come November 2012. For it, it will seem like the end of the world. For the vast majority of the American public, it will be like Moses leading us through the Red Sea (little Jewish history for all you Nazi protesters out there).

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:49 PM

WOW! SO IF WE JUST LET THE KOCHS HAVE THEIR WAY, THEN MONEY WOULDN'T CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT ANYMORE! BRILLIANT! WE HAVE TO ALLOW THEIR MONEY TO CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT SO IT WON'T CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT ANYMORE! THANKS, NOW I GET IT! OWS ARE NAZIS! WOW!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:49 PM

Oh yeah, Brother Mitt is gonna come in and really shock and awe.. wait, he'll be EXACTLY the same as Obama? You don't say? Huh. That's gonne bea real smack down, innit?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:51 PM

I didn't care what you had to say before YOU STARTED SHOUTING, 2:49. I care less now.

Seriously, is this (2:49) the best team that you leftist folks can field? She's kind of a fucktard.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:52 PM

Like all those times St. Ronnie had to raise taxes to reduce the deficit? Like that time he changed capital gains to be treated as regular income?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:53 PM

2:51 - a can of frozen orange juice >>> Obama

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:53 PM

"WOW! SO IF WE JUST LET THE KOCHS HAVE THEIR WAY, THEN MONEY WOULDN'T CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT ANYMORE! BRILLIANT! WE HAVE TO ALLOW THEIR MONEY TO CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT SO IT WON'T CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT ANYMORE! THANKS, NOW I GET IT! OWS ARE NAZIS! WOW!"

LOLWUT? Dude, where did you go to college? I'm smelling CUNY.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:53 PM

If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:55 PM

The monied interests of the right-wing have been fighting a multi-front war for decades to cement their power and wealth. It is a war against labor, a war against the environment, a war against voting rights, a war against the social safety net, a war against education, a war against taxes, a war against fair trade practices, a war against the democratic system itself. And they have won or are very close to winning this war on all fronts. There will come a time when the democratic system will prove itself utterly incapable of taking power back from these interests. That time may have already come, with the election of Barack Obama, and the subsequent acquiescene of his administration to their interests and goals, and the further consolidation of their power following Citizens United and the 2010 elections, redrawing of districts, and implementation of their chosen regressive policies in several important states.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 2:59 PM

Justice is not served by preventing minorities and the poor from voting.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:01 PM

Justice is not served by protecting tax policies that result in the richest individuals and corporations dodging most or all tax liability while the public debt swells.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:02 PM

Justice is not served by union busting and lowering wages of American workers while corporate profits set new records.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:03 PM

Do you have any other mindless platitudes you'd like to share with us?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:03 PM

Justice is not served by bailing out the corrupt big banks, allowing them to get bigger, not pay taxes, and illegally foreclose on millions of homes they can't even prove they own.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:04 PM

Justice is not served by paying for record low effective tax rates on the wealthiest by reducing Social Security and Medicare benefits.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:05 PM

^ That one was funny. Thanks for sharing!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:05 PM

Justice is not served by skimming billions of dollars every year into the pockets of health insurance company profits while the poor get sick and die.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:07 PM

Justice is not served by forcing morons who majored in useless courses of study and can't find jobs as a result to pay their student loans.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:09 PM

Justice is not served by voting to prop up an unjust system under the pretense that some day they might let you into the club. They won't, your taxes aren't going to go down, but you can be sure they will take away the benefits you've worked and paid taxes for your whole life if you give them the chance. In the end, we all bear responsibility for this tragic state of affairs because we've accepted the lesser of two evils, because we've voted for lower taxes on the wealthy, we've acquiesced as the big banks got bigger, we accepted that profit is neccessary for the health care system to function, we've bought the myth that greed is good. We'll all pay the price. Whose water are you carrying? It is not your own, I am sure of that.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:09 PM

Wow, great opinions.
Do you have any independent objective 3rd party sources to support ANY your spurious accusations or must we just keep seeing the inane ramblings and misinterpretations of some unemployed prig in a dark room who may or may not be a member of the American Nazi Party or the Communist Party USA?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:10 PM

OOP, WE NEED INDEPENDENT OBJECTIVE THIRD PARTY SOURCES!!!! NAZIS!!!! COMMUNISTS!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:11 PM

Justice is not served by proposing and supporting programs to grow the federal government that has proven to mismanage the resources that it already has and give it more money and support thus depriving the most needy and killing the elderly and infirmed

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:12 PM

And, for the record, I registered as a Democrat for the first time in the last primary cycle, so that I could vote against Obama because I felt we didn't know him well enough to be sure he would fight for us. Turns out I was right. But I'll gladly rescind that registration if there is a viable alternative that required my registration to be changed to vote in a primary again.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:13 PM

Justice is not served by pricing artists out of a neighborhood that they flocked to because they were cheap after they displaced the previous residents and fixed up the place!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:13 PM

Infirmed?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:13 PM

Justice is not served by a minority that feel themselves enlightened seeking through coercion or manipulation to restrict and ultimately remove the liberty of the vast majority of the population of a country.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:13 PM

No justice, no peace!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:14 PM

Justice is not served by posting unsubstantiated opinions as if they were fact without independent verifiable objective 3rd party sources to validate them, while thinking that typing more makes me right.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:15 PM

I'd love to shrink the Federal government with you, 3:13. Let's start with the Pentagon, CIA, and NSA. But in order to shrink the public debt, the money's gonna have to come from somewhere. We can't get that money by taxing the poor, they simply don't have it. The bottom 50% have about $1.5 trillion by the last estimate I saw. That's roughly equal to the wealth of the top 400, as of four years ago, and that number has only gone up. SO where's the money gonna come from?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:15 PM

You need independent verifiable objective 3rd party sources to prove that it is unjust that health insurance companies make enormous profits while denying care to as many people as possible?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:17 PM

Oh yaeh, @2:59 - you're right. Those big corporation peeps, the right wingers you speak of, want nothing but to destroy this country. They're obviously the ones who hate free market (seeing as their money CAME from that free market) and they obviously want our environment to be destroyed.

This is all hyperbole, my friend. Try actually arguing a point, instead of spewing rhetoric. Maybe take a look at the job your buddy Obama has done, for starters...

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:17 PM

The bottom 50% pay 0% income taxes. True fact.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:17 PM

Oh yeah, @2:59 - you're right. Those big corporation peeps, the right wingers you speak of, want nothing but to destroy this country. They're obviously the ones who hate free market (seeing as their money CAME from that free market) and they obviously want our environment to be destroyed.

This is all hyperbole, my friend. Try actually arguing a point, instead of spewing rhetoric. Maybe take a look at the job your buddy Obama has done, for starters...

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:18 PM

You need independent verifiable objective 3rd party sources to prove that it is unjust that the "Super Committee" is a stalking horse for lower tax rates on the wealthy and reduced benefits for the poor and elderly, when Simpson-Bowles called for exactly that?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:18 PM

You need independent verifiable objective 3rd party sources to prove that it is unjust that corporate profits are at record levels as unions are being busted and wages are going down? This has been studied and written about dozens of times in innumerable publications, with statistics provided by reliable government and non-government sources. This is not news. You are a troll demanding sources for commonly known facts.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:19 PM

"You need independent verifiable objective 3rd party sources to prove that it is unjust that health insurance companies make enormous profits while denying care to as many people as possible?"

No, I think your opinions are based on errors and misinterpretations, like a baby bird being fed a pre-digested worm. I would like to see where you are getting the "facts" that you are basing such insightful opinions on.

Your failure to list objective, verifiable authoritative 3rd pary sources will in fact (a) undermine your arguments which will (b) undermine your credibility which in turn will (c) lose the argument and (d) show you for the fool that you are.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:21 PM

Of course you can't raise revenue by taxing the poor. But the same is true for the rich. The sweet spot for tax collection is in the $200K range, which, incidentally ain't rich in NYC at all. And, frankly, I'm worth 5 or 6 times more than some drooling retard union member. No apologies whatsoever.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:23 PM

The bottom 50% may pay no income taxes, but they pay a disproportionate amount of their income in regressive local and state taxes, and in payroll taxes. And, while the big corporations, more aptly, the people behind them, may not believe they are destroying America, their primary goal is one thing, and one thing only: to protect their power, influence, and wealth. There comes a time when that interest is at odds with the public interest. That is when it is time for the public to use the democratic process to rein in the corporate interest. Clearly that system of checks and balances has failed. The public has proven unable to dent corporate power at the ballot box. Obama was elected to do that job. He has failed, I would say intentionally so. So, to claim that he is my "buddy" is highly disingenuous, and a sad attempt to change the subject from your own water-carrying for the destructive corporate interests.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:23 PM

Yeah! Lets get rid of the Pentagon and CIA! Lets just take away all national security and military. Lets put all our money into a broken schooling system and into public projects that allow a portion of the population to never seek employment because they can live off the government.

That's a great ideas, guys! Socialism for all! That way, we can all strive for nothing!

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:23 PM

"You need independent verifiable objective 3rd party sources to prove that it is unjust that the "Super Committee" is a stalking horse for lower tax rates on the wealthy and reduced benefits for the poor and elderly, when Simpson-Bowles called for exactly that?"

No, I think your opinions are based on errors and misinterpretations, like a baby bird being fed a pre-digested worm. I would like to see where you are getting the "facts" that you are basing such insightful opinions on.

Your failure to list objective, verifiable authoritative 3rd pary sources will in fact (a) undermine your arguments which will (b) undermine your credibility which in turn will (c) lose the argument and (d) show you for the fool that you are.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:23 PM

"You need independent verifiable objective 3rd party sources to prove that it is unjust that corporate profits are at record levels as unions are being busted and wages are going down? This has been studied and written about dozens of times in innumerable publications, with statistics provided by reliable government and non-government sources. This is not news. You are a troll demanding sources for commonly known facts"

No, I think your opinions are based on errors and misinterpretations, like a baby bird being fed a pre-digested worm. I would like to see where you are getting the "facts" that you are basing such insightful opinions on.

Seeing a trend here, troll?

Your failure to list objective, verifiable authoritative 3rd pary sources will in fact (a) undermine your arguments which will (b) undermine your credibility which in turn will (c) lose the argument and (d) show you for the fool that you are.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:24 PM

Troll troll troll LOL. Drooling union member LOL. Socialism LOL.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:25 PM

If you want to overthrow the economic or political order in a manner not outlined in the US Constitution, you are not welcomed to do so here in the USA. There are too many of us ignorant Americans who cling to our Bibles and guns who will not tolerate such skullduggery round here.

We do like to have target practice on Nazis and Commies, though.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:27 PM

What time does Daft Punk go on?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:28 PM

Seriously, though, why is there not more outrage about the Nazis and Communists supporting OWS? If they supported the tea party, the democratic party would be up in arms.

What a freaking joke.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:30 PM

Regressive local and state taxes? Is this the poor who live in subsidized housing which you're talking about? I've lived in a very poor neighborhood, and if you want to talk about regressive taxes, look no further than cigarettes, booze and that all-time classic sucker tax known as the lottery.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:30 PM

"The bottom 50% may pay no income taxes, but they pay a disproportionate amount of their income in regressive local and state taxes, and in payroll taxes"

Those 8AM Friday Econ classes were just not convenient to get to were they? I understand. Economics is hard to understand. You have my sympathy. You will, however, need to stop posting contradictory and illogical shit on here, though. You really have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:31 PM

The US Constitution is a great document with some very serious flaws, some of which were evident from the beginning, and some of which resulted from circumstances that could not be imagined by the founders. I would hope that we can take back power for the people using the democratic process, and then ammend the document to provide for an exception to the first amendment, whereby corporate money is not considered protected speech and can be regulated by the congress. That would be a good first step. Your talk of "target practice" against the straw-man enemies of Nazis and communists is disturbing, and no befitting of a free and pluralistic society with liberty and justice for all.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:32 PM

Sales tax is regressive. Property taxes are regressive (included in rent, included in the price of all consumer items, as the proprieter of a business passes on this tax in the price of his wares). Payroll taxes have a substantially larger impact on a low-wage earner than a high-wage earner. Gas taxes, highway tolls, etc, are all regressive taxes. You are awfully dismissive of easily verifiable taxes for one who so dilligently showed up to an 8AM econ class. Would that have been at Liberty University?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:36 PM

By corporate money, I'm sure you're willing to include organized labor and various interest groups as well in this political speech ban you're fantasizing about. I don't want to believe that you're just mindlessly pulling a page out of the disingenuous left wing playbook.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:37 PM

3:37, you are absolutely right, I do agree with you. I would actually contend that the cleanest way to handle election funding would be through public monies. Details would have to be worked out, but that could also provide an opportunity for third parties to have a better chance. I would also advocate for blended proportional representation, with winner-take-all districts, and at-large seats to be divided among political party candidate lists based on percentages of votes received. Hey, a liberal can dream, can't he?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:40 PM

"Would that have been at Liberty University?"

I'm a different commenter, but you have some amusing cartoons in your head.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:40 PM

3:32 - there are rules laid out in the Constitution to make amendments and such. That way, amendments can occur. The Constitution was written with a the nearly singular focus on limiting the federal government from taking from the citizens rights stated as unalienable and given by their Creator. As such, the document details what the limits of the government are to be with the idea that the personal liberty of the average citizen reign supreme over any rights that the government could seek to lord over that citizen.

This is neither the view of Obama or the leftist fascist Fabian socialist party that the modern Democratic Party has become.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:42 PM

"Details would have to be worked out"

I seriously just spit coffee though my nose.

Don't post again until you've worked out all those troubling little details, mkay? I know you fancy yourself "an ideas man", but you need a dose of reality to your fantasies.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:45 PM

I agree with that, 3:40. I wouldn't have in the past for the simple reason that the (soft) left had a virtual media (and pop culture) monopoly, but I think with new media, talk radio and FOX, the right has ample means of getting a message across.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:46 PM

Inalienable rights endowed by a Creator, that comes from The Declaration of Independence, which, while informative to understanding the perspective of the founders, is not a legally binding document. The Federal government, as laid out by the Constitution, is actually quite powerful, with some limitations. Its ability to collect taxes and borrow money, for instance, are vastly greater than what was originally envisioned under the weak Articles of Confederation. This was to ensure that the Union would endure, and that effective national policies could be made to advance the General Welfare, as laid out in Article 1 Section 8. The primary check on the legislative power of congress to tax, borrow, and spend, is in fact the democratic process. Again, the main point here is that the deomcratic process has been fatally subverted by the corporate interest, and this has left a society badly out of balance. A constitutional remedy to this problem is, of course, vastly preferable to a revolution in the streets. But we have to agree it is a problem first. Obfuscating and running interference for these people only makes the problem worse.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:47 PM

Well, a comments section on an indie rock blog seems a strange place to work out intricate policy details for overhauling campaign finance and laying out mechanisms to implement proportional representation while maintaining the individual (as opposed to corporate) right to free speech. Lawn signs, individual contributions, contributions in kind, etc.. These are highly technical and difficult questions, with free speech, commerce, and other implications that must be carefully considered before rolling out such a program. You might want to clean that coffee you just spit out your nose off the keyboard of your MacBook Air. It's not good if it gets into the inner workings there. But should I avoid posting that kind of advice, too, until I go read a manual about exactly which inner workings might be adversely affected by the coffee you just spit out your nose?

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:51 PM

These people? Heh. You know, there's a reason that the richest counties in the country now rim Washington DC, and corporate lobbyists are a small fraction of it.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:52 PM

occupy my anus

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 3:55 PM

And, look, a lot of the kids out there at OWS are not especially well versed in policy. They probably don't fully understand all of our problems, and even those who do, may not exactly agree on the solutions. I have some thoughts, we all have some thoughts. But to denigrate the motives of the people who are putting their bodies out there in hopes of, in some small way, influencing the conversation, the direction of this country, I think that is as anti-democratic as you can be. Just as the people who spent their time and money and energy on the Tea Party legitimately believed they were doing something positive for their country, so to do the people at OWS. In fact, if we could ever stop being so antagonistic and have a serious conversation, I find in my own day-to-day interactions with Republicans that we agree on an awful lot (and also that they have bought into a lot of mythology that they have a very hard time disabusing themselves of). The powers that be like us to be divided along lines of party, race, gender, tribe, whatever. Divide and conquer. And while we are arguing here, they are subverting democracy in statehouses, in board rooms, and in the streets as the cops smash heads at Bloomberg's request.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 4:05 PM

cricket, cricket.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 4:17 PM

I kind of disagree with you, 4:05. While liberals have no problem making common cause with the far left when it suits them and distancing themselves while nodding sympathetically when it does not, I think they're useless human excrement 24/7/365 and never have any use for what they think. There are some things I agree with OWS about, but broken clocks being right, blind squirrels finding acorns, whatever.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 4:22 PM

That is an awfully open-minded and fair approach to participatory democracy, 4:22. We need more people like you in government, for sure. Human excrement indeed.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 4:28 PM

free food in zuccutti park all day, all night. if you want to spend $, there is always 99 cent pizza slice.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 4:34 PM

Participatory democracy? Sorry, but socialism's track record in the world speaks for itself. Leftists, whom I have an easier time distinguishing from liberals than you apparently do, serve no useful purpose aside from the liberal penchant for aligning with them clarifying why I'm a Republican in spite of how much they nauseate me.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 4:36 PM

Socialism and leftists and the far left, these are all straw men. Bitter bile, nonsense, and hate is all I hear from you. Your opinions can thus be discarded as the lunatic ramblings of an intolerant extremist, if not an outright wacko.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 4:39 PM

^ That doesn't even make sense.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 4:41 PM

"Your opinions can thus be discarded as the lunatic ramblings of an intolerant extremist, if not an outright wacko" is pretty funny though. Hilarious, even. It's fun to watch the mask slip on someone who fancies himself to be a level-headed, mainstream liberal sort. And that's especially amusing given the fact that in another era my politics would have resembled "notorious nutjob" and liberal icon John F Kennedy's.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 5:04 PM

male masturbation.

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 5:19 PM

OWS haters are fucking clowns

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 5:34 PM

OWS loves are fucking clowns

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 5:53 PM

Yeah what Left-wing nutbars. Oh, wait:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAhHPIuTQ5k

As for the Tea Party, the Koch brothers' "Americans for Prosperity works with local Tea Party affiliates and has staff in more than 30 states who coordinate with regional Tea Party groups." (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/12/us-usa-campaign-teaparty-newspro-idUSTRE79B6M820111012)

Posted by Anonymous | October 17, 2011 7:21 PM

Occupy Chinese food...

Posted by Hoggle | October 17, 2011 10:17 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

I know I'm late to the party, but here's a nice, long, thoroughly researched account of the Koch brothers' financial backing of various PACs and others organizations. Really surprised no one brought it up earlier.

Posted by Sheryl Swoopes | October 18, 2011 1:32 AM

Hippies contribute nothing to society. Nothing of any worth. Trinkets and woven hemp goods don't count.

Wall street creates jobs, government doesn't. Sorry but that's the facts.

Government takes your tax dollars and invests them in foreign wars.

Wall street fuels the economy and creates jobs.

Hippies live in Vermont and live off welfare and smell like shit.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:54 AM

7:21 / 1:32 - Thank you for your posts of articles. As promised, I will read them. I have scanned them already, and have a question right off that I'd like to float here:
So it appears that although the TEA Party started as a spontaneous expression of outrage, as time went on the movement gained both momentum and support from (among others) these Koch brothers, owners of a consortium of industries under the banner of Koch Industries. These supporters gave money and such to the movement in order to facilitate the goals outlined by the movement, goals that existed prior to their involvement. So, my question is this ... how is this different from George Soros funding multiple organizations with the sole purpose of defeating George Bush / Republicans a few years earlier? (source: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_Soros) Mean to say, if Koch people are just playing by the rules that Soros set up, then why are the Koch people "evil" while Soros (who is in fact a convicted criminal) gets a pass? And, if you feel that Soros doesn't get a pass, how come his milti-million dollar home was not on the protest march past the "homes of the 1%" a couple weeks ago (although he lived 1 block from the march path?

See, that is why I find it very hard to trust the institutional Left (as parroted back on here often). In spite of the calls for "fairness", there really is not an willingness to engage in action of fairness when they benefit your side. The ends truly justify the means, or as Tommy Morello's guitar accurately states "By Any Means Necessary"

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 8:37 AM

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/10/16/proof-wall-street-protests-no-spontaneous-uprising-major-demonstration-directed-by-leftist-shadow-organization/

Here is a peice of well researched investigative journalism that traces the links between the Occupy Wall Street protests and the fringe Left including George Soros.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 8:44 AM

worldnet daily doesn't count as anything except fever swamp crazy talk.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 8:53 AM

^ from 8:37 ... source link is off because of parens ... here 'tis: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_Soros

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 8:53 AM

Oh, and The New Yorker isn't biased. Gotcha! Keep hitting that alarm, buddy.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 9:03 AM

where's WorldNet Daily?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 9:05 AM

Yes @ 9:53 have you been reading the news at all, or using BV as your source of info? Yes there are some lazy fucks who are protesting not having jobs and then there are real people who have real jobs, and some who lost theirs, and think it's unfair that the government chooses to bail out banks and corporations, yet health care, money for public education is still fucked up.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 9:05 AM

Listen, it comes down to this - the "left" wants a "fair share" of what others possess in the name of "fairness", and the "right" wants to be left alone. These protestors are like Jan Brady decompensating over the Marsha Brady of the successful. Poor Jan.

Who are the leaders, and who are the followers?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 9:09 AM

Marsha Marsha Marsha ... everything is about Marsha

IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 9:11 AM

Occupy Wall Street has been a very interesting movement. 20 People in a park turns into a world wide movement. If they want to succeed they need to move beyond the park and become a professional and structured organization.

Posted by Headshots Los Angeles | October 18, 2011 11:51 AM

From the anarchists' own source!

"When the culture-jamming activist group Adbusters put out a call on July 13 for “20,000 people” to “flood into lower Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months,” it never said who those people would be. Now, the question on the minds of everyone from the Department of Homeland Security to the Lower East Side anarchist set is just who and how many will actually show up."
http://anarchistnews.org/node/15361

I guess that Soros is involved after all, hmmmm?!?! When you get home, look up "rhetorical".

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 12:58 PM

http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/occupywallstreet.html

This is not a "spontaneous" movement. It is as orchestrated as a symphony.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:16 PM

Ever get the feeling you're surrounded by idiots? What is it about internet comment threads that draws out the rabid right-wingers so disproportionately?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:21 PM

Ever get the feeling you're surrounded by idiots? What is it about internet comment threads that draws out the delusional pinko trolls so disproportionately?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:27 PM

Hey there, 8:37 here checking back in.

I guess that although there seem to be a couple OWS supporters that have posted, no answer to my question above. Just crickets. Guess that intelligent discussion is no longer welcome here? Just name calling and evading?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:30 PM

Delusional pinko trolls have been wiping the floor with your proto-fascist ass for days now. Give it up already. We get it, you want to destroy the middle class in hopes that they'll let you into the club one day. Go kiss some corporate ass or something, maybe you'll get a promotion and end up making $70k.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:30 PM

Rabid right-wingers have been wiping the floor with your total lefty fascist ass for days now. Give it up already. We get it, you want to take everything from the successful and punish them like daddy punished you in hopes that you'll be running the club one day. Go kiss some anarchist ass or something, maybe you'll get your student loans deferred and they'll end up letting you hold the bullhorn.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:34 PM

1:21 = 1:30
I got this bet with my man here, tell me ... do you white kids just not like black people or are you just scared of us? We can work with it either way, but it would be good to know just how in touch with your guilt and hatred you are. So, which is it?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:36 PM

Your hateful ideology will die a painful death one day, but not before it exacts its own painful toll on America. It's a sad story, really. I feel badly for you. must be utterly miserable to live with such a vile worldview.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:38 PM

it's my guess 8:37 that you will not here anything coherent in answer to your question. i actually think that you won't here anything at all directly, but you may get called a few names because we're at the tantrum stage with these leftie ideologues now. for what it's worth, i would like to know what they have to say in defense of your question as well (but i believe that it's a fool's errand to expect it now).

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:40 PM

1:36, I have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:42 PM

1:38 you are adorable. there's no way that you can hold down a job with such a warped and delusional view of the world. keep posting though, you are the ideal poster boy for the incoherent petulant babbling left. the more you post your hateful sputum, the more clear the choice is.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:44 PM

You know there's a difference between "here" and "hear," do you not? Holy shit, we're dealing with some real Mensa members here.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:45 PM

This is what, the tenth time this week you've used the, "you're adorable" platitude? You haven't articulated a coherent idea in that time. And, when I offer up constructive ideas for discussion, the conversation goes silent. All you have is hate. Go fuck yourself.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:47 PM

^ That's good practice, 1:45. Good training for your upcoming role in the People's Secret Police, ferreting out the capitalists and bad spellers across the land. You fascist troll.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:47 PM

Hey 1:47, why not take some of your own medicine and answer 8:47's question. That is, if you are quite done with your tantrum.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:48 PM

( .... crickets ....)

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:49 PM

yup. tantrum.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:49 PM

I called that one.
BWAHAHAHAHA

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:49 PM

Adbusters, a Soros funded Canadian organization ...

The time has come to deploy this emerging stratagem against the greatest corrupter of our democracy: Wall Street, the financial Gomorrah of America.

On September 17, we want to see 20,000 people flood into lower Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months. Once there, we shall incessantly repeat one simple demand in a plurality of voices.

Tahrir succeeded in large part because the people of Egypt made a straightforward ultimatum – that Mubarak must go – over and over again until they won. Following this model, what is our equally uncomplicated demand?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:51 PM

Wall Street. Obama. Uganda. Libya. Solyndra. Fast & Furious. American Nazi Party. Adbusters. Soros. Weather Underground. Students For A Democratic Society. Holder. Stalin. Mao. Castro. Che.

great company. i'll pass.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:54 PM

Kids, this thread should provide ample evidence of how vile the right wing truly is. Full of hate, reliant on obfuscation and filibuster, totally devoid of productive ideas, hell-bent on dismantling the middle class and funnelling wealth to the top. We've seen it in the Koch-funded right-wing takeovers in Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio. We see it on internet threads on any subject that touches their agenda in any way. We see it every day on Fox. The Democrats may suck, they may be wholly corrupt, but wow these people are off the wall. We can't let them keep doing this to us. They must be soundly defeated at the ballot box repeatedly until they change their tune and come back to earth, or else the eventual remedy is not so neat and tidy. So, get out in the streets and make yourself heard, and stop the tide of evil that has stalked this land now for 30 years, and which can now smell complete victory and unquestioned domination is within its grasp as it bangs the last nails into the coffin of the 99%.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:54 PM

Yes, Adbusters put out a call to occupy Wall Street on September 17. And a few years ago Adbusters received $20,000 from the Tides Foundation, which George Soros has given a bunch of money to. That appears to be the Soros/OWS connection that people are trying to use to delegitimize the movement.

Does this mean that Soros, or even Adbusters, is controlling the thousands of people that are showing up and protesting around the country? I don’t think so. I don’t think anyone is really controlling this, including the people camped out downtown. That is why we are seeing a lot of different messages and ideas coming out of the movement at this stage. People keep showing up and supporting the movement because they feel these ideas and messages are important. There is the potential for this to grow and evolve into something more organized and more powerful, or it could simply implode on itself.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:55 PM

Fascists seek to rejuvenate their nation based on commitment to the national community as an organic entity, in which individuals are bound together in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood.[3] To achieve this, fascists purge forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.[3] Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[4] It advocates the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy (such as eugenics).[

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:55 PM

this thread is brought to you by "obfuscation" and the number "8".

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 1:59 PM

1:54 you do realize that you are in a fringe minority, don't you? you do know that your vile hatred and tantrums are evident to all who read this, and likely to the many that see you walking around scowling on the street? you do know that you are so very wrong, don't you?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:01 PM

I don't think that planes really fly. I think that they are supported by cotton candy.

There. I think it, so it must be truth.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:02 PM

Fringe minority? You mean like the Tea Party (24% approve)? As opposed to OWS, with 53% approval.

75% of Americans think the wealthy should pay more taxes. Does that make America a pinko communist nation?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:06 PM

"Kids, this thread should provide ample evidence of how vile the right wing truly is. Full of hate, reliant on obfuscation and filibuster, totally devoid of productive ideas"
What? Do you always depersonalize people that you don't agree with? Are you always so bitter, even to your family? We are all 99%, aren't we? Shame on you.

"... hell-bent on dismantling the middle class and funnelling wealth to the top."
What planet are you on? How about this - the left is seeking to rip babies out of their mothers and kill them violently, as well as flaunt the power to pick and choose who gets to live and who gets to die. That is called hyperbole, which is based on a distortion of perception. Just like your ridiculous statements.

"We've seen it in the Koch-funded right-wing takeovers in Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio."
What have we seen? Sources? And I'm still waiting for how anything that I've seen documented regarding Koch support differs in any substantial way from those tactics that have been employed for literally years by Soros and his ilk. Can you please explain that to me, calmly and rationally?

"We see it on internet threads on any subject that touches their agenda in any way."
Wow - pot, meet kettle.

"We see it every day on Fox."
Oh, surely you mean MS-NBC along with whatever frequency Keith Olbermann transmits these days.

"The Democrats may suck, they may be wholly corrupt, but wow these people are off the wall. We can't let them keep doing this to us."
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. But I do know this - that you have depersonalized me, divorcing me from my personhood and that is used in mind-control settings to allow splitting within the subject's mind so as to not erode the ego when they are made to perform actions that are contrary to their better nature. Big concepts, I know. Google them - depersonalization, splitting, cognitive dissonance.

"They must be soundly defeated at the ballot box repeatedly until they change their tune and come back to earth, or else the eventual remedy is not so neat and tidy."
Funny, that is exactly what is going to happen to you Fabian socialists, as every single poll indicates and every political pundit predicts for November 2012.

"So, get out in the streets and make yourself heard, and stop the tide of evil that has stalked this land now for 30 years, and which can now smell complete victory and unquestioned domination is within its grasp as it bangs the last nails into the coffin of the 99%"
You really do need help. You are like the crazy guy with the tin foil hat screaming in the streets about UFOs and shape shifters. What's the frequency, Kennith?!??

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:16 PM

Growing up, I marveled at the power of American democracy. The idea that justice would always prevail over injustice, that racism would die off as time passed, that representative government would respond to the needs and desires of the people, that opportunity was available to all who wanted it, and would work for it. That youthful idealism has been replaced with a large dose of pessimism at the current state of affairs. We've seen the national wealth squeezed to the top like toothpaste in an emptying tube by the policies of successive Republican administrations. We've seen our ideals of justice subverted in the name of public safety, a slippery slope toward totalitarianism, as we were taught. Now we've seen a black man elected president by a large majority in the midsts of a crisis created by the big-money fat cats, only to see him betray us all and protect those same fat cats from any accountability, and to protect their fortunes as well. We've seen him fail to fight for the policies he campaigned on, and we've seen him fail to fight the resurgence of Republicans at all levels of government in 2010. Now we are seeing the results of these failures in smashed unions, unemployed teachers, cops, and firefighters, crumbling infrastructure, spiralling healthcare costs, and the list goes on and on. But millionaires have kept their tax cuts, no matter how unpopular. Banks have their bailouts, and bigger than too big to fail is the norm of the day. My faith in American democracy has been shaken to its core. And now, with OWS, I see a glimmer of hope. People may be starting to wake up to exactly how fucked we are. But, for every glimmer of hope, the slime of right-wing hate must rear its head. This will be a longer fight than we've taken the time to think about. The dark forces of greed have dug in deep. They won't go easily. They have a lot of power, and they've proven a willingness to lie, cheat, and steal. No matter how long it takes though, the people united will never be defeated.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:16 PM

Cain 43%, Obama 41%

54% Still See Bailouts As Bad for the Country

Generic Congressional Ballot:
Republicans 42%, Democrats 39%

58% Think Repeal of Health Care Law Likely

63% Favor Immigration Checks On All Routine Traffic Stops

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:21 PM

I wouldn't bother to depersonalize you. You are a hate-monger. Your opinions are not worth the electrons they are printed with. I hope you find happiness in your life, but I sincerely doubt it.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:21 PM

2:21, been watching FOX again? That would be Rassmussen, right? Ha!

So, 63% would favor something resembling the Gestapo against brown-skinned people? 43% of people would really elect a person who would raise taxes on the vast majority of low- and middle-income people while cutting them dramatically for corporations and the super-wealthy (to the extent they even pay their taxes at all)? Right..

And, I'd be interested to see how SB5 fares in Ohio this November when it's on the ballot. Kasich is hovering in the low 30s in approval. When people are exposed to the true agenda of the corporatist right-wing, they reject it out of hand.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:26 PM

LOL, 2:21. You are such a hateful human being, so full of vile filth that you have lost all semblance of reality. Your tirades show just how hateful you are. You can try to project that filth onto me and the others you target, but I for one do not accept your hatred. I am a pretty happy person, and I have a feeling that America with me is looking forward to November 2012 when we can start to get rid of the dead weight and start restoring the hope and optimism to this once and future great nation. You are welcomed to come along, if you correct your foul attitude and stop blaming everyone else for your own problems.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:27 PM

Wall Street. Obama. Uganda. Libya. Solyndra. Fast & Furious. American Nazi Party. Adbusters. Soros. Weather Underground. Students For A Democratic Society. Holder. Stalin. Mao. Castro. Che.

Wow, that is quite the grocery list. Is that printed on Glenn Beck's toilet paper or something?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:29 PM

yeah 2:26 - while we're talking about abolishing private funding of elections, how about abolishing trucking in "poll workers" from other states to intimidate the electorate with harassment like the unions did in Ohio and Wisconsin? You can imagine that didn't happen, I don't care - how about just agreeing to letting states decide their own ballots without outside interference?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:30 PM

( ... crickets ... )

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:32 PM

( ... crickets ... )

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:32 PM

oops, guess mom came home early.
same time tomorrow?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:33 PM

I think a positive vision for America's future is one in which dedicated public servants are treated with dignity and respect and have security in their jobs, as they are considered valuable assets to protecting and nurturing our future. An America that protects and cares for its sick, needy, and elderly. The wealthiest nation in the world can surely afford these things, if we stop with the policies that only serve to benefit the continued massive accumulation of wealth among the already-wealthy.

A vision in which perceived communists serve as target practice, and in which "job creators" are exempt from contributing to society in exchange for their awesomeness at succeeding and job-creating.... I don't know how that serves the rest of us at all when all the jobs are created in Korea, save for $7/hr gigs working 10-hr days with no benefits.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:35 PM

2:16 - only a true racist would make a point of labeling Obama as "a black man" as if that had any bearing upon anything else you stated.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:36 PM

2:36, you can keep trying that tired shit. Obama's skin-color was certainly relevant to the euphoria of his election. It seemed to mark a major turning point in American history, as the legacy of racism would recede and we would build a more inclusive and fair society. But no, he only carries water for the 1%. Nice trick they played, calling him a communist and a black nationalist. He's a tool of the oligarchy, no more, no less.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:40 PM

2:35 you do know that public servants are paid from private industry, right? And when private industry gets hit with slowness or reduced demand in the market that there is no, and never has been, some implicit contract that the public servant's salary and benefits should continue to raise while everyone else's go down. No matter how big you try to grow the government, this will always be so.

So, how long has it been since the Superintendent of Schools laid you off?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:41 PM

Wait wait wait, you mean the voter-caging operations that are a hallmark of the right-wing vote suppression technique? Or do you mean the new poll taxes, approved by the Thomas court, that serve to prevent mostly black and poor folks from voting?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:42 PM

Nice spin there 2:40. You bring the bag of shit to the party, you need to leave with it. Your poor judgement has eroded the credibility of the office and the recovery of the nation. Big government is not the answer, it is and has always been small business.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:43 PM

When we have teachers and cops and firefighters being laid off while millionaires get a tax cut, it is fair to complain. I have no problem with unions renegotiating benefits, as they have shown a willingness to do. Also, the tax receipts might not be as depressed if we made a decent attempt at stimulating demand. And no, I still have a job in the private sector, thank you very much. And I'm good enough at it that I can argue here for a bit and still get my shit done faster than the supply chain can handle it.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:46 PM

"When we have teachers and cops and firefighters being laid off while millionaires get a tax cut... "

You must have sources for these "tax cuts" you make reference to ... let's see them. list here web addresses where I as a concerned objective citizen can go and see the evidence myself. I want to see raw data, not some op ed piece. Tax returns of people who make over $1M a year that show line item tax cuts.

Failure to comply with this simple request will continue the quicksand-like sinking of your assertions and fear-mongering.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:50 PM

So, what do you do for a living 2:46?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:51 PM

2:47, that is an OPINION piece from a discredited rag of Murdoch slime. Fund is a jerkoff and a liar. No fraud was ever committed. But the Republicans do send out armies of poll observers to challenge the credentials of voters based on returned mail they sent out. This serves to intimidate, and to force said voters to fill out provisional ballots. It is called voter caging.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:52 PM

2:51, without giving too much away, I work at a mid-size, privately-owned company that serves industrial clients. And ownership voted for Obama (at least that's what I've heard) so that he would raise their taxes and hopefully reduce our healthcare costs in the process. Neither has happened.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:56 PM

LOL WSJ is "discredited"
You are fringe

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:58 PM

So, your a temp then. Alrighty.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 2:59 PM

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:01 PM

Before you even say it, right, it's thinkprogress, but facts are facts. We have governors in several states, including a Democrat in NY, who have opted to cut taxes for millionaires and corporations while reducing benefits and laying off public employees. This is not a good model for economic growth, and it is not a good model for balancing a budget.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:06 PM

The Koch brothers are billionaires who are using their money to further their own interests: tax breaks for wealthy citizens and large corporations, government deregulation of the financial and energy industries, privatization of the planet. They want to make it easier for billionaires to make more money without government getting in the way. They have a lot to gain from the success of the Tea Party ideology and Republicans.

Soros is also a billionaire but he uses his money to support the opposite: human rights, social equality, democracy, world peace. Though he is by no means a hero, his contributions are mostly philanthropic and are intended to help the poor and disenfranchised. They will not earn him more money. So what does he have to gain from the success of Occupy Wall Street?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:07 PM

2:59, you can't help bud condescend, can you, you snivelling asshole.. nah, I'm doing alright for myself, I can afford to pay my student loans and feed myself. But you are stil a snivelling asshole.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:08 PM

3:01
"This site has been categorized as a Social Networking, Blogging, or Online Information Sharing Web site by our web filtering service provider." = not a valid source

3:05
"ThinkProgress was voted “Best Liberal Blog” in the 2006 Weblog Awards"
Are you really comparing a Liberal blog to the Wall St. Journal?

Welp, you won me. Not.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:08 PM

3:08
you're right I can't help bud condescend.
whatever that means.

dictionary.com ... it's free!

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:09 PM

What a bunch of assholes. Or, at least one asshole. Hard to tell. I'd beat the living shit out of you if it weren't for my opposition to personal violence. Your father should have done more of that, I'd wager.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:13 PM

3:07 I asked for legitimate information, not spin. If I wanted spin I would browse to one of your Liberal blogs (if I could find any articles on the left's malfeasance amidst the near-pornography of images of Republican presidential candidates).

When you want to be intellectually honest, please post again. Until then, do some real substantiated research. We all get enough spin already, don't we?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:14 PM

It's really not difficult to verify that governors elected in 2010, supported by the Kochtapus, have been cutting taxes for millionaires while laying off teachers and cops and smashing their unions. This is not difficult information to ascertain. I'm tired of playing games of find the link or it isn't true. That is some troll shit.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:17 PM

"Before you even say it, right, it's thinkprogress, but facts are facts"

OK, so facts from NetWorld Daily, Breightbart, Drudge etc. are still facts then? I want to see you accept that, right here. You see, you can't have it both ways - either truth is truth regardless of whether it aligns with your personal preferences, or it's only a matter of what supports your argument. You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

So, let's see it - do you accept true statements from conservative sources?

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:17 PM

3:17 = Charlie Brown's teacher "Wha wha wha wha whooop whaaaa"

either that or Jan Brady, not sure yet.

"Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!"

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:18 PM

No, those publications tend to lie or trump up things that only have a glimmer of truth. Again, easily verifiable facts are exactly that. Interpretation of those facts is up to the observer.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:19 PM

I guess that truth repels you 3:17.
Must be a lonely life you lead.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:19 PM

For instance, you may believe that it is a good idea to cut taxes for millionaires and simultaneously lay off teachers. But since you've spent so much time questioning whether that's actually happening, I have to believe that you know that is a bad idea, and your goal is obfuscation of the facts.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:21 PM

It's hard to have a debate with a person who spends the whole time demanding proof of facts that are not in dispute by anyone except the troll demanding proof.
-Is cutting taxes on millionaires a good way to close a budget shortfall?

-Look over there! No, wait, look over there!

-Answer the question please, do you think cutting taxes for millionaires in the context of balancing a state budget is a good policy?

-Look over there! Prove it! Look over there!

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:24 PM

-How would you propose to limit the influence of big money in politics, or do you deny that the influence of big money in politics is a bad thing?

-Soros! Soros! Soros! Pinko communist! Soros!

-Are you saying then that big money in politics is ok because you can point to one example of a liberal billionaire spending his money on liberal causes if not directly on candidates?

-Soros! Soros! Soros!

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:28 PM

Call out a troll at his game and he goes silent. Natch.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:31 PM

Jesus. This is like watching (really stupid) alley cats go at each other. Hey, it's America, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But really, shut the fuck up already.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:44 PM

Highly enlightening, 3:44. They're stealing your future, too. Apathy isn't cool. It's not 1999 anymore.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:46 PM

The only thing being stolen from me is the time I (foolishly) wasted reading this thread.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:51 PM

You're dead wrong, friend. Did you think you might get something for the taxes you've paid into the system for Social Security and Medicare? Did you know that all that's in the Social Security trust fund are Treasury notes, IOUs, they raided the cash to pay for tax cuts and wars. Think you'll have a job that will allow you to retire? Nah, they'd rather pay someone a tenth what you might command to do your job in China or India or Korea or Mexico. Wake up. The top 400 have as much money as the bottom 100,000,000. We're all doomed if we don't stop this nonsense.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 3:56 PM

Yeah. Doomed. Thank heavens there are mediocrities like yourself who are on the case though.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 4:01 PM

Actually the wealthiest 400 people in the US have more $$$$$$$ combined than the bottom 150,000,000.

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 5:43 PM

Take their money!!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | October 18, 2011 5:52 PM

2:06 - you are making up your statistics. According to yesterday's Gallup / USA Today poll, 26% of all Americans say they approve of the OWS buisness.
here's the source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/150164/americans-uncertain-occupy-wall-street-goals.aspx

Of course, the more salient results concern blame for the current situation:
"Americans are more than twice as likely to blame the federal government in Washington (64%) for the economic problems facing the United States as they are the financial institutions on Wall Street (30%)."

here's my source:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150191/Americans-Blame-Gov-Wall-Street-Economy.aspx

Where are your sources?

Posted by Anonymous | October 19, 2011 9:44 AM

Top 1% pay 40% of ALL taxes:
http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

Obama is a liar about taxes:
http://mynorthwest.com/178/549000/FACT-CHECK-Are-rich-taxed-less-than-secretaries

OWS is not about "fairness" but rather about an ideology. You don't represent me in your straw man "99%" and I don't subscribe to your bullshit ideology.

Posted by Anonymous | October 19, 2011 9:55 AM

"Americans are more than twice as likely to blame the federal government in Washington (64%) for the economic problems facing the United States as they are the financial institutions on Wall Street (30%)."

Direct your anger to the appropriate target.

Posted by Anonymous | October 19, 2011 10:13 AM

@ 10:13

Troll- if you feel so strongly about this why don't you go to DC, set up a little protest of your own, do your thing, try not choke on your coffee, and then take your own advice: find a bridge
and JUMP.................

Posted by Anonymous | October 19, 2011 12:14 PM

12:14 who are you talking to? I am 10:13 and I have no idea why you are directing such inappropriate anger to me. I simply suggested that the target of outrage should be where it belongs (on the bloated federal government) as opposed to those who received payments, of our money, by the same bloated federal government.

Do you always act so irrationally towards people that you obviously disagree with? Your comment is in fact a classic "troll" move, as you might see if you could be more objective.

Posted by Anonymous | October 19, 2011 12:52 PM

Didn't the banks already pay back the government?

Posted by Anonymous | October 19, 2011 12:54 PM

@12:52
You are wasting your time. This idiot is immune to logic and will respond as (s)he has been trained to. (S)He is a drone, and talking rational with him/her will only provoke a more irrational response of anger, name calling and unsubstantiated accusations. I'm with you, but I want to save you the hassle which your comment will likely provoke from such as this human.

Posted by Anonymous | October 19, 2011 12:56 PM

Correction - The top 1% pay 40% of federal INCOME taxes. They actually pay 28% of ALL federal taxes (including payroll, excise, and corporate taxes).
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/tax/2010/tax_liability_shares.pdf

Yet the top 1% is wealthier than the bottom 90% combined, and the richest 400 people in the country have as much wealth as the bottom half of the population (about 150 million people).
http://ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2011020612/understanding-extreme-incomewealth-gap

Posted by Anonymous | October 19, 2011 1:45 PM

Shut the fuck up already. You're poor because you're stupid. Don't be a hater.

Posted by Anonymous | October 19, 2011 2:04 PM

A little surprised at the age of some of the members of the occupy group in the photos. From what we hear in the news, the average age is right out of college. But your pictures show a much older group of demonstrators.

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Posted by George Cox | November 14, 2012 5:56 AM

I think they would have done better if they had a list of what they wan canged. It see like each group or person had somethig else they wanted and they should have made a list of things they think needed to be changed. they had alot of publicity on tv and the inernet and did not have message that people uderstood.

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