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Members of the Occupy Wall Street movement vowed to reoccupy Zuccotti Park after police forcibly removed them early this morning before sanitation crews came into the park to clean it.

Police officials told The New York Times that about 150 people were arrested - most in the park but some outside.

Demonstrators were told they could return in several hours, but without sleeping bags, tarps or tents. By eight a.m. some protesters had returned, jumping over barricades. But the police closed the park again.

Hundreds of other protesters and their supporters marched through lower Manhattan to Foley Square, near City Hall, chanting, "This is what democracy looks like."

The group vowed to reoccupy Zuccotti Park...

...The group is also calling for a "Day on Action" on Thursday, November 17 - the two-month anniversary since the Occupy movement began - to shut down Wall Street and occupy 16 subway stations across the city. At 5 p.m., protesters will gather at Foley Square, before marching to bridges - promising music along the way. [CBS]

Thursday, November 17th is now officially the "International Day of Action". A full schedule for NYC protesters is posted at their site, and it includes:
At 5 pm, tens of thousands of people will gather at Foley Square (just across from City Hall) in solidarity with laborers demanding jobs to rebuild this country's infrastructure and economy. A gospel choir and a marching band will also be performing.

Afterwards we will march to our bridges. Let's make it as musical a march as possible - bring your songs, your voice, your spirit! Our "Musical" on the bridge will culminate in a festival of light as we mark the two-month anniversary of the #occupy movement, and our commitment to shining light into our broken economic and political system.

That's the poster above.

Video of Joan Baez playing for Occupy Wall Street at Foley Square on 11/11, below...

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Comments (403)

These fools better not get in my way Thursday morning when I'm commuting.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:15 AM

^Bloomberg

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:17 AM

What are you going to do 10:15 am, commit an act of violence?

Posted by nygrump | November 15, 2011 10:19 AM

"No right is absolute and with every right comes responsibilities. The First Amendment gives every New Yorker the right to speak out - but it does not give anyone the right to sleep in a park or otherwise take it over to the exclusion of others - nor does it permit anyone in our society to live outside the law. There is no ambiguity in the law here - the First Amendment protects speech - it does not protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over a public space," Bloomberg said. "Protestors have had two months to occupy the park with tents and sleeping bags. Now they will have to occupy the space with the power of their arguments."

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:19 AM

Killer poster! Is that Shepard Fairey? I read somewhere he was doing stuff for #OWS.

Posted by Paul | November 15, 2011 10:21 AM

good, good riddance. it is a PUBLIC park, isn't it? they can do what they want, and scream until they're blue in the face, but get the fuck out of the park so the PUBLIC can use it again. it was a cess pool down there.

this shit isn't going to amount to anything, btw. great message, love the charisma, but let's get real. last i checked, ups and mcdonald's are hiring. let's roll our sleeves up and get to work, instead of complaining about not having a fair shot, mmmkay?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:22 AM

kind of a dick move when they're just gearin up for winter.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:22 AM

Joan Baez = 40+ years of not making a difference

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:24 AM

^^
if by kind of dick move, you mean 'kind of a blessing in disguise,' then yes, i agree. you know how much sickness and unsanitary nastiness would prevail if this shit dragged on into the winter? ucch.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:25 AM

@1022 the dick move was taking over the park across the street from my apartment where me and my daughter used to play. they had it coming for months.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:26 AM

a judge just ruled that they can return to the park with their tents. it's actually not a public park. owned by a company that bloomberg's girlfriend sits on the board of.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:26 AM

The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals tend to gather en masse, make a hell of a noise and put on a good show while conservatives actually sprint into action and make shit happen. I mean, I am not saying this as a lefty or a righty. I am saying this as a person seeing the situation from a neutral stance. The left is only good at whining like a bunch of spoiled white bitches. NO SUBSTANCE.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:27 AM

Occupying every subway station is NOT a form of non-violent protest. They are being very very liberal with their use of the words "non-violent."

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:27 AM

@1026 it's owned by Brookefield, who said they can return there but they cannot sleep there overnight or stay after closing hours, because - ya know - that's the LAW OF THE PARK, that we as new york citizens have to follow or else we are SUBJECT TO ARREST and all that stuff that happened this morning.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:28 AM

If it's not a park, isn't that even more reason why them being kicked out makes perfect sense? Come try to occupy my backyard, I'll hose the shit out of you.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:29 AM

10:19AM has said all that needs to be said.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:30 AM

Love the image, it really represents the protests well.

Posted by VP | November 15, 2011 10:30 AM

Didn't Dylan slip it to Baez in the '60s?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:31 AM

what time does radiohead go on?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:31 AM

I'm not into this until Kings of Leon perform.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:34 AM

Last night I was occupying the shitter with my feces. It was pretty serious. They had to call riot patrol officers to deal with the shit I was causing. I felt like I was in Oakland...

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:35 AM

I just love how the protestors are occupying literally every area in the US except the one place that may actually cause a difference (D.C.)

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:37 AM

Police batons should occupy these peoples skulls.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:38 AM

10:27 - I agree. As an independent, I see where both sides have it wrong. Conservatives get things done but to the detriment of others, while liberals have (some) valid complaints, but don't have the cojones to get it done and are too afraid to step on others in the process.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:40 AM

white people

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:42 AM

10:19 = typical Republican sociopath

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:46 AM

GLAZIN

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:46 AM

10:19 = direct quote from Mayor Bloomberg

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:48 AM

nitrous mafia! #occupymsgphish

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:49 AM

I agree in principle with much of what many who associate themselves with this "movement" say.

But so help me, if you interrupt my commute on Thursday, I will become a full fledged arch right wing conservative. I will demonize you, I will ascribe exaggerated and incorrect views upon you, and I will HATE you and BLAME you for everything that is wrong. I am not joking. I mean it.

I am only still a liberal just to piss off conservatives. I am willing to reverse it if you FUCK UP my ride to/from work. I am not joking. I can go from "Down with The Man" to calling for a Tienanmen Square style crackdown. Again, not joking. Try me.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:49 AM

So glad to have FiDi back, now I can take my lady out there without being harassed for wearing clean clothes. #occupyciprianiwallstreet

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:52 AM

@10:31am - seems to me this movement got massive media coverage starting the day the rumors went out there that Thom & Co. were coming down - they were there at least two weeks already before that happened and no one really made a big deal out of it

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:53 AM

finally some nice artwork

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:54 AM

10:46 = tyical liberal douche

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:55 AM

Your revolution is over, Mr. Lebowski. Condolences. The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:55 AM

It is a privately owned park, but a zoning ordinance requires the owner to make it available for public use.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:56 AM

I'm serious, Kings of Leon or I don't care.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:57 AM

gos, Zuccotti Park must smell worse than Saint Vitus right now

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:05 AM

Nice poster. Some of these dipshits think this is Tienanmen Square or something.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:06 AM

I was hoping to get the chance to talk to some loose hippy bitches and maybe have a rumble. Easy now.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:11 AM

^yeah, it's like a whole generation of dipshits watched one too many Rage Against The Machine videos

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:11 AM

That is a pretty sharp poster. If that doesn't motivate the .0099% to get their leftist mutant faces on for a great big juvenile hissy fit, nothing will.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:11 AM

no wonder indie music sucks. you're all republicans now.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:14 AM

2 months later and still no cohesive message. Get the fuck off our streets hippies! I was sympathetic to OWS at the beggining but I have been to Zuccotti several times over the past few weeks as I work downtown and it is a mess. Just a bunch of LOSERS talking about 300 different issues. Take a cue from 350.org and what they did to stop Keystone last week. They were organized, clean and focused. Come up with one message...one demand and quit the fucking drum circles. Oh and wash your asses...you stink.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:14 AM

^ Haha! Awesome!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:15 AM

Yeah. Only Democrats make good music.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:16 AM

Fucking up subways is bullshit. If they don't get the fact that the "99%" ride subways to get around, and not the power brokers who use taxis and LIRR, these people are indeed idiots and deserve to be arrested. Get it together! Just because the free camp grounds are closed, doesn't mean you get to screw the little guys you supposedly care about.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:16 AM

I'm glad it went the way it did. does anyone know how much it costs to get arrested, I mean there must be some court costs, etcetera..

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:24 AM

Who is the fucking asshole who made that poster? Is that SF? Seriously, you're going to equate a mass of, predominantly, rich spoiled brats who don't want to work and feed off their parents, with Communist China, Tienanmen Square and the people who had to live through that event?

GET
THE
FUCK
OUT
OF
HERE!!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:27 AM

resist austerity? give me a break. get a job.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:28 AM

Yeah, occupying the NYC Subway is a real great way to stick it to the ......... um, other 99% people who have to ride it to work?

You fucking idiots. Go occupy a limo company or, hell, go occupy a taxi for fuck's sake. You do realize many, many, many other New Yorkers who are part of the "99%" also have to ride the train each and every day as they can't afford any other way for transportation.

go get a job and stop your complaining.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:29 AM

go occupy a drive through window assholes

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:33 AM

I'm honestly shocked by the outpouring of hate and animosity here. Not because of the sentiment - which I can understand on some level even if I disagree with it in a more fundamental way - but because of the source. This is the kind of commentary I would expect on a News of the World article. Not making a judgement call, just expressing surprise that readers of this site have such an startlingly right wing mentality about OWS. It's disappointing.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:35 AM

^ Sorry to disappoint you.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:38 AM

One doesn't have to be right wing to recognize a bunch of drooling morons when confronted by them.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:39 AM

1139 = hipster who still gets allowance from his parents in Ohio.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:40 AM

11:35- you don't have a problem with people expressing their views, but what "disappoints" you is that those views are different than yours?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:42 AM

11:35 We're NYers. We're a little more savvy than all that. It's hard to take a bunch of under twenty-five, college educated white people who say that the system is just unnavigable for them seriously. I think we can call a spade a spade. It's a bunch of confused young people who are using the a romantic lure of 'the activist' as a social identity. Are there serious problems in this country? Sure, but these dopes are only hurting matters.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:42 AM

To continue my comment @11:39, I'm nominally sympathetic. At least enough so to watch livestream on occasion, anyway. But it's hard to suppress the laughter when you witness a communist chant, and then, not five minutes later, you hear people loudly bitching about the cops throwing away peoples' personal property. It's just theater of the absurd and unemployable.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:44 AM

C'mon Guns 'N Roses party it up that same night! Don't tell me that shit is a coincidence!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:48 AM

I was hoping it'd go into Winter. I was excited to read about some of these idiots freezing to death.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:49 AM

11:35, you are the epitome of why this "movement" is completely ineffective and essentially just comprised of people barking up the wrong tree. Generalizing, presumptuous, uninformed and out of touch, lacking focus, with probably a healthy dash of entitlement, too.

You think these comments are full of "hate?" Perhaps animosity, yes, but I would categorize these comments as a reality check from members of the working class, who bust their fucking asses every day to make shit happen for themselves, instead of complaining about it. You might try it sometime.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:50 AM

The 1% are chauffeured in choppers. Occupy the helipads, brah.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:55 AM

11:49: That's exactly why this isn't (or wasn't) gonna last.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:02 PM

>>Nice poster. Some of these dipshits think this is Tienanmen Square or something.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY 100% TAKEN FROM TIANANMEN SQUARE YOU ASSHAT.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:02 PM

Occupy my anus

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:02 PM

@12:02 THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY HIS POINT ASSJACKET.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:06 PM

You want to know why this movement isn't working? Look around fer fuck's sake. The city overwhelmingly leans to the left, but in the very least you're demanding that the people around you abandon their cognitive dissonance between the politics they espouse and the lifestyles they lead. Ultimately, when these people are forced to make a choice, they will not choose you.

Not even leftist poster boy Michael Moore can really handle the array of principles he espouses and an honest appraisal of the material life he leads. You think a city full of people with similar politics who are at least nominally affluent even make the effort to reconcile their contradictory interests? And then, of course, there's the America outside of this bubble, and they're mostly laughing at Occupy.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:06 PM

finally some nice artwork

Really!! WTF!!!Is that supposed to invoke Tiananmen Square!!!

You spoiled little fucks!!! Those people were shot at by tanks!!!

You dont have the right to even associate your extended drug-fuled camp-out/sleep over with the truly brave revolutionaries that lost and risked their lives in China.

The only sacrifice you posers made is missing the on-sale date for Phish's New Years run at MSG.

Posted by POSERS!!! | November 15, 2011 12:06 PM

re: those who think the movement is just a bunch of entitled college kids. Obviously you haven't been anywhere near OWS for the past 6 weeks or so. Yes, it may have started that way but that complaint is simply a factual inaccuracy at this point in the movement and has been for some time. People of all ages and races and financial backgrounds could be found participating in the protests up until the eviction. A number of upper-middle class white kids were there, of course, but to view the whole movement that way is laughably reductionist and frankly ignorant. Obviously those of you making that complaint have little actual knowledge of the dynamics on the ground which should more or less invalidate any and all critiques you might make. If you accuse the protesters of blindly following along without any real knowledge of the issues, perhaps your critiques should be formulated and grounded in such a way that you yourself are not doing the same.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:06 PM

12:02 the image was inspired by Tienanmen Square sure, but the other comment was referring to the idiocy of comparing OWS with Tienanmen Square, which is pretty ridiculous. You're not very bright are you? You might have a career in professional protesting.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:07 PM

FSU

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:08 PM

Occupy my Balls you hippie dickheads. For once I am happy with the BV comments. I am a die hard liberal...but i hate these tools.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:08 PM

the only reason why they are camping there overnight is that most of these young people are not NYR's and are not from around here. They don't have the money for a hotel and they want to live off the system and live on the street and play hippie in a City that will allow it.

They are essentially tourists here much the same way regular standard tourists come to experience the CIty, just with a different agenda and a different idea of 'fun'.

These protesters are a bunch of temporary transplants much the same as most of the hipsters in Williamsburg are.

Half of Williamsburg under 30 yrs old are not from NY and probably more than that down at the park commune are from elsewhere also.

This is why its hard to take the protest seriously, as its not really a home grown local protest.

more of a hippie hipster thing by MIdwestern college students on an extended summer break in the big City.

Time to go home to your warm bed in Ohio.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:09 PM

love that the poster looks more like a poster for an ATP festival than a protest.

ironic much?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:11 PM

yeah now there are homeless people there too.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:14 PM

@12:09 "This is why its hard to take the protest seriously, as its not really a home grown local protest."

The protest has nothing to do with NYC itself per se and so the nativity of the protesters shouldn't matter. They are not protesting a "New York" problem but rather an economic/political issue that impacts the nation at large. New York serves a purely symbolic purpose because Wall St. happens to be located there but that's a matter of happenstance. Whether the protesters in NYC are from there or not doesn't matter in the slightest.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:16 PM

12:06 - I work next door to the park, and have seen these people everyday, and the majority of the sentiment expressed by the comments here are spot on - perhaps you should follow your own advice

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:16 PM

^yes now OWS = white college students, the homeless, sex offenders, criminally insane, & limousine liberals doing a little cultural tourism.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:17 PM

fck i missed the phish presale?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:20 PM

If you're under 25 you haven't had time to struggle yet. Puhlezzz, take it to The Bay because NYC isn't that stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:21 PM

@12:17, let's try to stay reasonable. I agree there are some misguided and uninformed people amongst the protesters but "sex offenders [and] criminally insane" seems quite unfair and hardly grounded in facts of any kind. Arguing against this movement is all well and good but it seems to me that it's important to do it in a way that is rational and level headed, otherwise your committing the same offences you are upset with the protesters for.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:21 PM

Joan Baez is a turd.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:22 PM

I did it all for the hummus

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:22 PM

Hummus with head lice? No thank you. I prefer hot peppers.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:26 PM

SHELBY THE BORDER COLLIE WILL FIX THE WORLD. DENVER FOR THE WIN.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:27 PM

12:21 what are you talking about? Pick up a newspaper. There have been sexual assaults, physical assaults at Zuccotti.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:34 PM

The whole occupy movement has been a cesspool of anti-social behavior.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:37 PM

I hope every right wing republican or even moderate republican (if there is such a thing) dies of pancreatic cancer.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:37 PM

@12:37 Awesome. You're obviously a moron.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:41 PM

Imagine if right wing republicans were actually running things. Like the federal government. Or the city. Or the universities that are bankrupting kids with their insane tuitions. Or the Wall Street community which funded Obama's campaign and has a heavy presence in his administration. Pancreatic cancer? Yeah, totally.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:44 PM

@12:44, I'm not sure I understand your point. Please elaborate.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:56 PM

"IT IS ABSOLUTELY 100% TAKEN FROM TIANANMEN SQUARE YOU ASSHAT."

Um, that's where I was getting at. My point is I find it pathetically lame (which I admittedly find most things OWS as well).

So take it easy. By the way, I prefer Assclown if that's the case.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 12:59 PM

#getagoddamnjobal

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:06 PM

Well, 12:56, my point was that the drooling moron at 12:37 seems rather oblivious to who it is that controls the institutions which make him or her wish pancreatic cancer on republicans. Shouldn't you be asking 12:37 to elaborate on why she wishes death and suffering on people?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:08 PM

Hey OWS - who is to blame for 9/11 now that your not at the park i don't know?????

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:14 PM

"The protest has nothing to do with NYC itself per se and so the nativity of the protesters shouldn't matter."

It's not 'Occupy Elm Street' its 'Occupy Wall Street'.

" They are not protesting a "New York" problem but rather an economic/political issue that impacts the nation at large. New York serves a purely symbolic purpose because Wall St. happens to be located there but that's a matter of happenstance. "

what are you kidding me? It just happens that Wall street is here as a matter of HAPPENSTANCE? Are you suggesting that if it didn't happen to be here it would be in Buttf-ck nowheresville? Its not just as accident that Wall Street is in NYC, its part of the fabric of the CIty and its identity and NYC's importance to the world. Just like it wasn't just Happenstance that the World Trade Center was built here or that the United Nations was put here. So these aren't just accidental or haphazard real estate situations, they are specific decisions to place these things here in NYC above any other local. Therefore, the protests while hoping to aim at larger global issues are essentially in their most physical form, aimed at a NYC issue as its core foundation and starting point.

"Whether the protesters in NYC are from there or not doesn't matter in the slightest."

Yes it does, because its just another example of our City being taken over by young clueless small town spoiled annoying posers. First all of North Brooklyn is hijacked by idiots from elsewhere pretending to be hip, now all of lower Manhattan will be infested by idiots from elsewhere pretending to be hippies.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:22 PM

bob dylan used to bone Joan Baez when she was hot. he boned her years before steve jobs did.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:25 PM

#OARYTC

OCCUPY
AXL
ROSE'S
YELLOW
TRENCH
COAT

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:26 PM

mic check

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:26 PM

1:06 FTW

Posted by P. Bateman | November 15, 2011 1:35 PM

The real question is this:

If you went down to the protesters and offered them all jobs, how many of them would take them?

or would they rather just keep protesting?

The second question would be:

If you offered them all showers, how many would take them?

or would they rather keep smelling?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:39 PM

Modern Weepers will be performing for the protesters today at 2 pm.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:40 PM

i got a trust fund, i do not need to work.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:41 PM

Y'all disbelievers need to know about ALEX JONES.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:45 PM

by Modern Weepers, do you mean Radiohead?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:49 PM

OH GOD Alex Jones?!?! please don't bring that clown into this. I support OWS but Alex Jones is the last thing they need if they're looking for legitimacy. World Class Moron. Basically Ron Paul's version of Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 1:58 PM

*jacuzzi*boys* support ows

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:00 PM

A World Class Moron would fit in perfectly with the OWS masses. Find a better way to be dismissive of Alex Jones than that.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:01 PM

Someone please go down to OWS when it reforms and hand out job applications for the Wall Street McDonald's. I would love to see that as a YouTube video.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:03 PM

Alex Jones website "Prison planet" is something you OWS haters need to check out. Open your eyes. Open your ears.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:12 PM

Does McDonald's actually hire people with Sociology degrees from City College? Seems like there'd be a high risk of one of them burning their hand in the deep fryer.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:12 PM

12:44 "Or the universities that are bankrupting kids with their insane tuitions."
Kids who are old enough to go to college should be wise enough to not amass $100K+ in loans, if they're planning on taking on a career that makes little money. It's called 'common sense'.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:26 PM

To add to 2:26...
CUNY offers a fine education. No one told you to go to NYU to graduate with a useless philosphy major.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:28 PM

hilarious that so-called liberals supported these self-righteous, misguided, failures to cognitively dissonate OWS protesters....UNTIL they threaten to disturb their little choo-choo rides to work. BUT YEA, sure, it was FINE when the tens of thousands of people who work and live in the financial district had to put up with the incessant noise, the police barricades, and the STINK. sure, sure, it's fine until it affects you. the laughable hypocrisy that liberals "care" about people has never run aground.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:34 PM

^YES!!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:34 PM

Choo choo!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:35 PM

You said choo choo .. finally ..someone posted something I understand

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:41 PM

my trust fund will be kicking in very soon so i will no longer have financial worries

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:42 PM

2:41: Lol I thought that said "cholo" at first, but yeah I agree.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 2:59 PM

cholos are funny. you are funny. choo choo!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 3:09 PM

haha. i just visualized hipsters on the CHOO CHOO. hilarious.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 3:10 PM

OWS protestors are the 1% of US citizens who are fucking idiots.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 3:21 PM

maybe one of you brilliant people on here could enlighten me. what difference to your life specifically does it make when a CEO is greedy as hell? or a bank? unless they're directly defrauding you, why do you care if someone else is rich? does their wealth somehow limit your potential for creating your own wealth? i could understand that no one wants banks bailed out only to see bank execs walk away with huge bonuses on the taxpayer's shoulder, etc. but this class envy stuff--as if every american doesn't have opportunity to excel--doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 3:27 PM

closeted cum-guzzling republicans make me sick

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 3:28 PM

@3:28 You're an idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 3:31 PM

they say that america is a revolutionary country, etc. gotta say, there's nothing american about that poster above. a small portion of the populace is overeacting to some perceived inequalities by trying to destroy the entire country. take your paper doll radicalism and shove it up your arse.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 3:33 PM

If I see any of these ows lowlifes on the choo choo I'm going to smack them so hard their beards gonna fall off

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 3:46 PM

I will quote Ralph from the Simposons when I say, "I choo choo choose you."

Posted by Really? | November 15, 2011 3:46 PM

the main problem with the protests are that there is no clear goal.

Wall Street isn't going anywhere and huge corporations aren't going to close and rich people aren't going to give their money to the non rich.

Ans it's not even clear that that's what the protesters are even suggesting happen.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 3:49 PM

haha...hipster trust fund'ers. so misinformed.

meet me at brooklyn bowl tonight for a throw down.

all of you

Posted by tom | November 15, 2011 3:51 PM

Or all of you can been me at Mamouns and I will share my platter.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:02 PM

Well there goes the one thing that kept NYC from falling off the cliff of irrelevance.

What a relief----you all can go back to not caring about anyone else besides yourselves, your shitty jobs, your future brown-shirt little monsters you are raising and really, really shitty music.

New York City is the grandest waste of potential energy this world has ever known.

All those who get off on ridiculing this "movement" are extremely sad, isolated shits.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:04 PM

The Head Lice Hummus at the makeshift Occupy commissary was delightful. I shall miss it immensely. Now it's back to the Mamoun's and Veselka grind.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:06 PM

4:04 = from missouri

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:08 PM

@4:04 You're clueless.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:09 PM

4:04 needs to go occupy Podunk, Iowa

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:10 PM

4:04 -- the worst kind of snob.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:10 PM

"New York City is the grandest waste of potential energy this world has ever known."

This is true. There are 300 trillion barrels of known petroleum reserves under McCarren Park alone!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:13 PM

To quote the Walkmen, "You're one of us, or one of them"

Posted by occupido | November 15, 2011 4:18 PM

You wanna boycott someone? You ought to start with the goddamn barber that fucked up your head.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:28 PM

Choo choo!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:42 PM

the kids got kicked out of their house today, so it's time to grow up

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:48 PM

Haha! Judge says "no." Go home losers.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 4:56 PM

chuggah, chuggah, chuggah...CHOO CHOO!!! hahahah. love it.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 5:00 PM

wow, 4:04. what a self-righteous, sniveling little fuck head you must be. where are you from, chief? you must be an amazing, enlightened and accomplished person.

i hate to break it you, but nyc is the best fucking city in the world and is never going to approach "irrelevance," no matter how many defeated little twats like yourself intimate as such. fuck off.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 5:08 PM

This statement alone speaks volumes on how the protesters are young and clueless and stupid and uneducated and know absolutely nothing about the culture of America or the culture of protest, or the history of protest and are just there for a big spring break style sleepover above anything else:

From Wikipedia:

On November 11, legendary folk singer Joan Baez sang at the Zuccotti Park protest site. Many of the young protesters were not familiar with her songs and were unaware of her long history as an activist.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 5:18 PM

How anyone can call themselves an activist and not know who Joan Baez is is all I need to know about those idiots down there

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 5:20 PM

The only good thing about Zuccutti Park filled with those morons is it keeps them out of Williamsburg

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 5:21 PM

where am i going to get my free hummus now?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 5:47 PM

4:04 nailed it!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 5:50 PM

It's clear that most of these comments come from the uninformed.

Many of you have a general, Fox News perspective on what's happening and what OWS represents. You ever go down to Zuccotti park and talk to anyone? Participate in a march?

Here's what you are saying/agreeing to if you don't support OWS:

It's okay for corporations to not have to pay taxes on those billions of dollars they make.

It must be okay that corporations ship jobs overseas so they can watch their profit margin grow and at the same time empower China and India while taking jobs away from Americans.

Politicians should represent their own self-serving interests or the interests of corporations and not the people.

Banks should screw the American public and use tax dollars to fix the problem they created. And while were at it, those same people who fucked up the situation should receive huge bonuses for the great job they did.

Skilled labor is not something this country should have to worry about. We don't need a middle class.

Unions have outlived their usefulness even though states who have unions have lower job accident rates as well as higher pay--- even for non-union workers.

I If you don't have a problem with any of this then you must bathe in gold.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 5:51 PM

Haters, don't mistake the lack of responses to your uninformed ramblings for victory.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 5:51 PM

On the 17th Ima occupy Subway for a 12 inch Sweet Onion Chicken Teriyaki, yo. I may even opt for the combo and have me a coke and a cookie.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 5:54 PM

idiots gonna idi, son.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 7:25 PM

I agree with a lot of what OWS is complaining about, but what is their endgame strategy? At what point do they go home and say "ok, we're happy now, we accomplished something". I don't agree with the Tea Party's goals, but at least they are effective at influencing politics.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 7:32 PM

5:51...way to distort and demogogue every single issue. my god. fifteen seconds of independent research could refute everything you've said and turn it on its ear. then again, you and so many "protesters" are more than happy to live in echo chambers of ignorance. you're like one of those msnbc "hosts."

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 7:47 PM

^yep, they can't get a job or make a living but they know how to run the country.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 7:51 PM

opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

or wait, is it that everyone is an asshole, and they have an opinion?

i forget.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 8:27 PM

5:51 is exactly right on. the right wing conser douches on BV have their collective heads in the sand. Ignorance is is bliss.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 8:38 PM

I is is blissful. Hummus soothes me, not ignorance.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 8:40 PM

lol @5:08. I literally laughed when reading your post. Way to go WAY overboard and come across as a pathetic, angry little person who takes anonymous internet comments personally. yeah, that's really helping your arguments against ows. May I suggest a good therapy session or two? Moron.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 9:17 PM

The poor pathetic right wing BV twats are getting fleeced everyday by Corp America and their parent Corp, USGOV and they don't even know it. Ha.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 9:23 PM

That's horrible. How do Corp America and their parent corp USGOV know which people are right wing BV twats so they can fleece them? Do any liberals accidentally get caught up in the fleecing by accident?

I'm just wondering if I should change my attire or something so I won't get hosed. Ray Bans? Maybe patchouli oil would help?

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 9:39 PM

9:23 is such an insider he was sleeping in a park!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 9:47 PM

I saw a few girls at occupy that are welcome to crash at my place now if they promise to bathe and delouse. Some cooking and light cleaning would be expected, but I keep a pretty neat pad and I'm not that sexually demanding.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:05 PM

Right wing BV twats stick out like a sore thumb. they look like douches, they dress like douches, and they talk like douches. easy to spot.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:28 PM

@10;05

I was thinking the same thing about your mother.

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:31 PM

10:28 we are not interested in your parties. you got lice in the hummus. ewwww...

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 10:39 PM

9:39 here. Thanks for nothing, 10:28. I have right wing friends who dress just like I do and left wing friends who look like Ralph Lauren threw up on them. If you cared about the cause at all, you'd help a brotha out!

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:15 PM

10:55 #2 really nailed it

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:27 PM

I am not willing to take a stance on this issue until frohawk officially weighs in via twitter

Posted by Anonymous | November 15, 2011 11:33 PM

I heard Frohawk has been too busy at shows to occupt.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 12:20 AM

5:51 (#1)

the problem is that the protesters are not doing a very good job of making any of those points known. I have to assume you are speaking for the protesters with your points. However I have not heard any of those points being raised intelligently (or even at all) by the protesters. The only thing it seems they are making known to the world at this point is the fact that they want to be able to sleep in the park with tents.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 12:27 AM

James Murphy and Frohawk are handing out hummus and pita chips to protestors.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 12:39 AM

I tried, but I couldn't find Occupy Wall Street. After getting off the bus from Allentown, Pa, I wandered all through downtown munching on a bag of pita chips but before reaching OWS I stumbled upon a Burning Man festival. Pretty cool, I thought. I got high, listened to some drumming and passed out. When I woke up, people were chanting "the whole world is watching," and it kind of freaked me out because my ass was kind of sore and there was a shady looking dude by my side who was smoking a cigarette with a shit eating post-coital grin on his face.

After a few moments of being frozen in sheer terror, someone pointed me to a food spread that included some fabulous un-chicken salad sandwiches. Eating something helped me compose myself. That shit really tasted like chicken!

All in all I had a great time, but I'm kind of disappointed that I never made it to OWS, as I had to get up to Port Authority for a bus back to Allentown. Blessed be.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 1:37 AM

MAY THE NON-EXISTANT GOD HELP THESE LAZY, DIRTY FUCKS IF THEY GET IN THE WAY OF NEW YORKERS ON THEIR WAY TO WORK! I FOR ONE WILL MACHETE MY WAY THROUGH THE CROWDS OF HIPPIES WITH MY COPY OF ATLAS SHRUGGED, LEAVING A TRAIL OF CRACKED DOMES ALL THE WAY TO WORK!

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 1:40 AM

MAY THE NON-EXISTANT GOD HELP THESE LAZY, DIRTY FUCKS IF THEY GET IN THE WAY OF NEW YORKERS ON THEIR WAY TO WORK! I FOR ONE WILL MACHETE MY WAY THROUGH THE CROWDS OF HIPPIES WITH MY COPY OF ATLAS SHRUGGED, LEAVING A TRAIL OF CRACKED DOMES ALL THE WAY TO WORK!

http://www.alternet.org/books/145819/ayn_rand,_hugely_popular_author_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders,_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killers?page=entire

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 6:31 AM

If you fuck with the choo choo hippies your going down

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 10:23 AM

The cops used an LRAD machine on the protestors. Apparently it sounded like the new song from James Blake.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 11:14 AM

Seriously I will pepper spray you morons if you make my day harder tomorrow. You guys are not the 99%. You're about .0001% in a country of over 300 million. Yeah I agree with some of the things that are being said down there but so what. I agree with a lot of people on various things. Doesn't mean your little "movement" is important to me. Doesn't mean I want you wasting my time. Stay away from the choo choos a-holes!

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 11:22 AM

incoherent and idiotic political ramblings on brooklyn vegan. awesome. fight for the plutocracy! oligarchy forever! don't interrupt my commute!

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 11:45 AM

lol @ 5:54

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 11:48 AM

so where did OWS go? Are they just wandering around aimlessly?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 11:59 AM

@11:45 You're obviously an idiot occupier type. What is "shutting down" the subway gonna do to change things? What is "occupying" a park in downtown Manhattan gonna do?

My guess is the subway system as a whole will be working tomorrow with a slight annoyance at a stop or two by a couple of morons. Cops and passengers will sort that out quickly. Wall St. will be open for business undisturbed. Brilliant.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 12:08 PM

Leave the choo choos out of this!

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 12:19 PM

most of the people that are threatening to shut down the subways don't take the subways to work, and most of the people that they are protesting don't take the subways to work.

so the only people that are hurt by this would be the middle class 9-5 working people who are not the target of the protesters and who do not represent the protesters themselves.

Genius plan. Inconvenience and annoy the innocent people who have done nothing wrong and just need to get to work.

Hopefully your plan will backfire and all those innocent people will turn against you if they haven't already.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 1:31 PM

I had no problem with everyone staying in the park 24 hrs a day. That way all the idiots were together in one place and I could avoid going anywhere near there. So it was easy for me to 'support' their ideas, while maybe not supporting their lifestyle.

However, if they are now let loose into society like a bunch of loser homeless hooligan criminals, then I say round them all up, arrest them and deport them back to Ohio.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 1:33 PM

Let my choo-choo go!

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 1:39 PM

"Get a job!", "Freeze to death!", "Don't get in the way my lunch break!", "What message?!"

When did this shithole turn into FreeRepublic?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 1:43 PM

11:45, You're going to have to rewrite your comment. The BV halfwits don't know what a "plutocracy" is.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 1:53 PM

hate hipsters and hippies

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 2:14 PM

Let them protest. Like all small children, they'll get tuckered out eventually and go to sleep.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 2:46 PM

Let them protest. Like all small children, they'll get tuckered out eventually and go to sleep.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 2:47 PM

1:53 what does protesting an (alleged) plutocracy have to do with camping in a park or disrupting people's commutes. I've never heard anyone involved with OWS offer any kind of plausible explanation of what the connection is.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 3:37 PM

^ Yes!!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 3:45 PM

^ Yes!!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 3:45 PM

Seems simple enough, 3:37. You have a movement which is largely composed of a fringe which fancies itself to be speaking on behalf of the 99%. If you can't multiply the people who embrace your cause, they reckon, the next best course of action is to multiply the number of people who are inconvenienced by it. The 99% is just an abstraction, after all. You're not looking at people who actually have any affection for humanity unless they can sort them out into distinct, faceless tribes.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 3:59 PM

2:47-i would like to put YOU to sleep

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:00 PM

@4:00 You don't have the balls to put anyone to sleep but it's easy to sound like you do on the internet anonymously isn't it?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:06 PM

The only thing that would make 4:00 sound like a bigger loser would be if he offered to meet the commenter at Brooklyn Bowl. What's with THAT guy?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:15 PM

3:37

You're a fool if you think it's not a plutocracy.

Do what you're told, don't think for yourself, don't question
authority, right?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:18 PM

4:18 I'll ask again, what does protesting an (alleged) plutocracy have to do with camping in a park or disrupting people's commutes?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:20 PM

You think that was an actual answer to 3:37, 4:18? Good Lord you people are stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:24 PM

This is the beginning of a REVOLUTION. You sheeple just keep on watching mainstream media and giving your kids vaccinations while you sit medicated in your cubicle and let me know when you wake up.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:26 PM

This is the beginning of a REVOLUTION. You sheeple just keep on watching mainstream media and giving your kids vaccinations while you sit medicated in your cubicle and let me know when you wake up.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:27 PM

I haven't had a cubicle since I was 23. That's the benefit of having a top education and being very good at what you do. The other benefit is lots of money, of course. Hopefully your little subway disruptions won't make it too difficult for me to get cabs.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:30 PM

I'm just going to assume that anyone who uses the term "sheeple" is in high school.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:31 PM

^ I didn't know sheep knew how to type.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:34 PM

Anyone who thinks OWS is a "fringe movement" is so stupid it's beyond words. There are going to be strikes and protests in major cities all over the world tomorrow. If you don'tknow what the protests are about you really are beyond help. Stay stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:37 PM

Sheeple is a leftist echo chamber word. Everyone's a sheeple. Happy people. Successful people. Socially well-adjusted people. People who shop at malls. People who eat at chain restaurants. People who like bands signed to major labels. The list is so long that it's amazing that the country has ever managed to function without their input.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:37 PM

These OWS dopes are amazing. They are the exact same kind of elitist pricks, as the people they think they are protesting. Except of course minus the success and accomplishment. Fuck anybody who used terms like "sheeple" or equates sitting in a cubicle (supporting yourself and your family) as some kind of failure. What was the part about "giving your kids vaccinations" about? They're against vaccinations?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:40 PM

4:37 #1 clarified everything for me. Proests all over the world? I wonder if the dummy realizes that in a global context, the street urchins at Zuccotti ARE the 1%. And they're bitching. Too funny for words.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:43 PM

4:37 nice spin DRing (heh). You do realize that "If you don'tknow what the protests are about you really are beyond help. Stay stupid." isn't an answer at all.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:45 PM

its really time for everyone to go home now. You had your fun, you've played hippie and protester and now you can go home for the holidays and your family can marvel at how young and rebellious you are while you eat a home cooked meal surrounded by your close fiends and family in your parents warm suburban home.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:48 PM

The media doesn't report to the masses what they are protesting because they don't want the message out. You sheeple are so easily fooled. Their message has been clear. The democracy in america is crushed. Ever hear of bill of rights? How about the 1st amendment?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:50 PM

the message is a good one but ultimately pointless.

Wall St and Corporate America aren't going anywhere no matter how many hippies sleep in the park.

so it doesn't matter if the message is out. It won;t matter at all.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:53 PM

I thought you were the masses, 4:50. Isn't that rather definitional when you fancy yourselves to be the 99%?

Also, whoever taught you about the First Amendment failed you miserably.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:55 PM

A billionaire media baron presiding over a deeply corrupt plutocratic government — no, not Hitler; Bloomberg — has swept in to crush a small protest movement that dared question the legitimacy and efficacy of the ruling oligarchy. The ‘ideological cleansing’ of Zuccotti Park — in the dead of night, with no warning, by hordes of heavily armed police, and the press literally penned up far from the action, all in the classic police-state style to which most Americans seem happily habituated — is a temporary setback to the Occupy movement in New York.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:56 PM

4:50 apparently still thinks the mass media can suppress anything in the internet/twitter/facebook etc. era. Sounds like a young man who has really thought things through and is obviously ready to take his rightful place in the leadership of this country.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 4:57 PM

They probably shouldn't have cleared the park until there was a Cholera outbreak.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 5:03 PM

4:56 yeah that or they were getting rid of some hippie squatters who the OVERWHELMING majority of the people who actually live and work in that neighborhood had more than enough of.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 5:04 PM

^ your facts are incorrect. 63% of new yorkers polled thinks the occupiers had the right to stay there.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 5:10 PM

He said people who actually live and work in the neighborhood, not New Yorkers. Is reading comprehension really this daunting a challenge for you people?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 5:18 PM

^oh so now you believe polling? Hilarious. Depends on what media outlet you are getting your #s from. (I'm guessing you are a Huffington Post type.) Apparently 2/3 of NY voters do not believe that OWS represents the 99%. I mean, even on BV (a independent music blog that is typically left leaning) it seems that the majority of the people do not support OWS.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 5:19 PM

WOAH okay hold on everyone, take a step back and BREATHE. Allow me to clarify.

-Yes, i believe that SOME of the protestors in Zucotti park are mostly crazy/uninformed/naieve. and Yes i believe that the encampment was a bit much, and the right to camp is not in the constitution.

-Do i believe that the movement as a whole is misguided? hell no. what everyone can agree on is that Shit Is Fucked Up in our economic and governing system. Change NEEDS to happen. of course everyone is going to have different viewpoints on what should be changed and how.

-Occupy wall street is A bunch of "crazy hippies" who think they can change the way our government is currently operating, which includes much corruption, inlcuding openly accepting contributions from corporations and lobbyists, and making decisions that don't benefit the good of the people. Ask ANYONE on the street, "do you believe that our government is working efficiently and in the best interest of the people" and you can imagine what most would say.

-as for the economy, the value of the dollar is backed no longer by gold or anything with inherent worth, rather it's by faith. faith that is no longer there.

-our country is in a landmark time period, where it truly is "adapt or die", people need to put away their predispositions and be rational to keep our country the country of opportunity. quit believing that there are two sides, left and right, WE ARE ALL IN THIS SHIT TOGETHER

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 5:31 PM

"our government is currently operating, which includes much corruption, inlcuding openly accepting contributions from corporations and lobbyists, and making decisions that don't benefit the good of the people"

yet, you're fine with getting in bed with the labor unions? I mean they never hire lobbyists are never corrupt.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 5:36 PM

"Change NEEDS to happen."

This too. I remember the same people who are saying this now, where the same people who were all on the Obama 'Hope' bandwagon. I don't see any real foresight coming from this camp.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 5:39 PM

"the value of the dollar is backed no longer by gold or anything with inherent worth, rather it's by faith. faith that is no longer there."

You do understand that gold has no inherent worth either and it's value is a construct too right?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 5:48 PM

Congratulations America! The debt has now topped $15 trillion. We should probably resist austerity and just raid Warren Buffet's piggy bank.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 5:49 PM

The right to assemble is in our bill of rights.
5:31 you my friend are so greatly misinformed about democracy and america that I am actually laughing at your views.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 6:06 PM

" the message is a good one but ultimately pointless."

If it's a good message how can it be pointless? OWS has already had an effect: everyone is talking about it. Bloomberg and his cronies are sacred shit, and w good reason. It's only going to get bigger. time will tell who's on the right side of history, but I wouldn't bet against an idea / movement whose time has come.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 6:11 PM

6:06 the right to assemble isn't the same thing as setting up a tent city in a public park for two months.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 6:14 PM

that's not what i was saying at all, i am in bed with noone. please. stop only picking apart what i said and making assumptions about me. it only proves your ignorance. i am open to anyone and everyone's views.

and yes, a lot of people want change and don't know what they want exactly. but they have sparked this very conversation, it is everyone's choice whether or not to be open to other's viewpoints, and to build off of ideas.

and yes, i do also understand that gold is also artificially assigned worth, but it was at least something tangible. this is an entirely separate debate, but do you not agree that it is still based on faith and it is low right now?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 6:15 PM

I love true believers. They're funny.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 6:23 PM

6:06....

where am i wrong? please, inform me about where i am so wrong it's "laughable", unless you are just "trolling"

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 6:25 PM

Brilliant! Thanks for making my life...me...one of the 99%... more miserable then it already is! What good are you doing us by making it difficult or impossible for us to get to work or to get home on the 17th? We don't get to work, we DON"T GETY PAID we don't get home on time, OUR KIDS COME HOME TO AN EMPTY HOUSE. Remember something....NOT EVERYONE WORKING in the Wall Street area is wealthy and raking in the big bucks...the vast majority of those employed in that area are the ordinary 99% trying to make a living to feed our families and pay our bills. THis is George Orwell in reverse!!!! You are hurting us and you lost me on the turn!!!!!

Posted by smallpotatoes | November 16, 2011 6:35 PM

6:25 see 6:14

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 6:36 PM

The right to assemble most certainly means occupying a PUBLIC space for as long as you want. It has happened at the whitehouse countless times. Our country is slowly ripping our rights away ever so silently.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 6:51 PM

6:35 Have a drink, take your meds, go lie down. the subway occupation is going to take place at 3pm. You'll get to work, you'll get paid, you'll see your kids again. the sun will come up the next day.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 6:57 PM

One can only hope that all the unruly teens who are taking the train home from school at that time of day rip your throats out. Good times.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:05 PM

being part of the 0.5% i see this protest very unnecessary

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:08 PM

How do these people manage to afford living in NYC and disappearing from work whenever the fuck they feel like it? Something's amiss here.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:12 PM

^they din't live in NYC. It's mostly kids w/a few older deadbeats nized in

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:25 PM

7:12 Rumor has it that all the protesters are trust fund hippies.
hipsters, and anarchists. they just do this to goof on the System and stick it to the Man. I'm sure it will all be over in a week or two.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:31 PM

If it was actually full of trust funders, wouldn't they have less need to embarrass themselves by putting their student loan hardships front and center like so many of them have? I think they probably seem like rich kids because their sense of entitlement is every bit as pathetic.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:36 PM

^ it's actually a group of people that are doing something about the atrocities that is turning the populous into slaves and turning our country into a prison.
The occupiers are revolutionaries that are the first step to tearing down the wall and in time will go down as a greater movement then the 60s civil rights. They are on the right side of history. The banking elite and the police state we are victims of is on the wrong side.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:36 PM

Oh, brother. My kingdom for an OWS spokesperson who isn't an illiterate fuckwit.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:42 PM

Does anyone care that the police raided peaceful protestors with bats swinging, and an LRAD machine blasting? It's like communist china around here! Don't we have freedom? I thought this was america?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:42 PM

Yeah. Free speech and two month old petting zoo are like totally the same thing.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:45 PM

Leaving aside the politics of occupy and whether they're right or not, the nature of it is rather creepy. Camping out 24/7 in a park. The cult-like chanting interspersed with people who are individually unable to impart a consistent and coherent message. You add it up and it really creates the impression that the cause is the act of protest itself. You're not normal people. Try and understand that.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:52 PM

Does anyone care that the police raided peaceful protestors with bats swinging, and an LRAD machine blasting? It's like communist china around here! Don't we have freedom? I thought this was america?
Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:42 PM

^ no. People only care about their Mac book pros and their facebook friends these days. The elite have them in the palm of their hand and they own the media and try to make these protestors out as "scum" when in fact they are highly educated with a clear message.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 7:57 PM

7:52 And you're the arbiter of what "normal" is? Jesus.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:08 PM

I want to know how 22 years old kids know the system is broken and won't work for them. You're 22, you haven't even been in the system long enough to find out.

Also the 99%/1% dichotomy makes no sense. I hate how they present it as this unilateral thing. Like the guy who is making 250k a year is somehow comrades with guy making 20k a year.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:08 PM

7:36 1 + 2 I was joking. It was in response to the stupid 'who are these people question'.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:10 PM

Hah! Keep telling yourself that, 7:57. Try and forget where you are. The people who disagree with you around here have probably crossed paths with you. They probably have lots of friends who think exactly like you do. I, for one, don't need the media to tell me what I can observe in my own life. I actually like a lot of the OWS types I interact with socially, I just don't take you at all seriously in the political realm. Nor should I.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:12 PM

"7:52 And you're the arbiter of what "normal" is? Jesus."

If you can't be honest here, at least try being honest with yourself.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:14 PM

what's sad to say is, no matter how active you are in this movement, you will forever be part of the general "system" and rely on "the man" as long as you rely on mass media communications and cheap goods (including technology products). you need institutions that exploit the poor in order to have affordable products that you can use to protest that very thing. you need africans mining for the minerals to make your phone work so you can tweet. you need some chinese man to make a cheap cardboard box for you so you can make a sign out of a piece of it. you need the police to protect you from the cruel and unusual. the people in that park now have an opportunity- continue to protest about things which are going to continue no matter what they do, or actually get out there and make a difference: run for office, become a teacher, start some kind of alternative business.

Posted by frustrated with haters | November 16, 2011 8:16 PM

I'm not the 1%, but I am in the 2 or 3%. I'm 35. I have a BA in English from a State School that I took out loans to get. My parents were both public school teachers. It's really hard for me to believe that the system is so worked that success in this country is impossible. In fact,I know it's not. However, people who achieve success don't do it with rhetoric, they do it with hard work. It's not easy, but it's possible. I will say the under 30 generation in this country could sure use a healthy dose of stoicism.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:19 PM

Agree with 7:52. These people are their struggle.

No struggle = No self

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:19 PM

7:36 I support OWS but we hardly live in a police state. while the police may be stooges this movement wouldn't have lasted 2 days let alone 2 months in a "police state". by their very nature they are a goon squad, but they and the politicians who control them don't wield unlimited power.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:22 PM

Who cares if you support the movement or not... What you SHOULD care about is the police state busted in at 2:00am beat people down with bats, rounded up all their belongings and threw them in dump trucks. Then the cops used an LRAD machine to disperse the brave few who have ideals to make this country better. Even if their ideas are misguided or foolish, it's a serius situation we have here.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:27 PM

8:27 they gave you two months. You weren't going peacefully and you know it. How this is new or alarming I don't get. They shot fools at Kent State.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:30 PM

8:19 agreed. There is a certain faction in this country whose extreme political ideas (both left and right) is their social identity. It is how they define themselves.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:33 PM

8;27 You were given the opportunity to disperse. You KNEW this was going to happen sooner or later. . It was on private property
that other people were no longer able to access. Life sucks. Life is not fair. Get used to it. OWS made their point, very effectively I might add. time to move on to bigger and better protests.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:34 PM

"Police state." Jesus fucking Christ. I'd kind of expect such an utterance from some 19 year old retard at the School of Visual Arts or something, but not from an adult who hopes to be taken seriously.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:36 PM

8:36 are you a cop?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:38 PM

No I'm not a cop. Are you a graduate of a mediocre college who has a shitty job?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:43 PM

" However, people who achieve success don't do it with rhetoric, they do it with hard work. It's not easy, but it's possible."

That's bullshit. The game of capitalism is rigged. the rich get serviced and the poor get get screwed. if you're in the middle sometimes you get serviced but mostly you get screwed. Define "success" ? Lots of material shit? not being too badly in debt? Paying taxes up the wazoo? Seeing people in Africa starving to death and thinking 'thank god it's them' and not me? WTF?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:47 PM

No. I am not a graduate of a mediocre college with a shitty job, but you are certainly an uninformed person with little knowledge about the slow destruction of our rights and the power the elites have over the police.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:50 PM

Bloomberg got paid 4.6 million dollars by JP Morgan. A few days later, he ordered the cops to bust heads.
Just facts here.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 8:55 PM

8:47 For the purpose of this discussion, I'm defining success monetarily. How can it be bullshit? I'm saying it's possible, and I know, because I did it with no special privileges. I got my start in my business from replying to an add in the NY Times Jobs section. (back when people did that)I'm however not saying it's likely. I saw a picture of an OWS protest where a woman was holding a sign with the slogan "Success for Everyone". It made me laugh a little bit. Success, as a concept, can't be for everyone. The very idea of success is created by a deviation from a statistical mean. Math tells us that inherently, to be successful, you have to be doing better than 50% of the population (or any given micro-community being examined). That's just how it goes.


"Paying taxes up the wazoo?"

I thought OWS for the most part politically are in favor of expanding government.

"Seeing people in Africa starving to death and thinking 'thank god it's them' and not me?"

This is an argument from a different sphere. This is why I have a problem with OWS. It's blindly emotional. I think most of the core people involved are probably coming from a decent place, but their message seems green and even at times romantic. I can understand why that might be very appealing to an idealistic young person, but it's almost useless when you delve deeper into policy or rational government. Whether you are on the right side of history or not, or have somehow captured what the French would call 'l'esprit de l'époque', time will tell.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:07 PM

"uninformed person with little knowledge"

That's cute how you managed to fit two of the cliches that are so prevalent in your little universe into one sentence. They're what those of us who are actually educated refer to as tells. Indications that you're dealing with slow witted people who can't make their case intellectually, but feel their beliefs emotionally.

And I hope you realize that no matter how many times you characterize Bloomberg as a billionaire elite, it doesn't change the fact that his power to command the police rests in the fact that he was elected fucking mayor by the people of NYC. Giuliani wasn't a rich man, yet the prattle that rolls off your keyboard so mindlessly and effortlessly was no less in evidence when he was mayor. Wealth has nothing to do with why neither of them would perpetually humor your little Lord of the Flies conclave.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:09 PM

I agree that the 'elites', political, and otherwise , control the police that doesn't make it proper police state (even tho downtown Manhattan often resembles a max security prison). A real police state would be Syria where thousands of people have been shot to death in the past 6 months and countless others have been imprisoned and systemically tortured. getting your ass kicked on the st in NY isn't fun, or right, but it hardly constitutes a veritable police state.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:16 PM

Ok... Well how does this sound? We are in the BEGINNING of a police state? Is that more acceptable?

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:21 PM

Cops in New York are a little rough around the edges, but if you give them respect you get it in return. Some feral monkeys getting slapped around a little in lower Manhattan for being obstinate not only doesn't bother me, it pleases me.

In the fevered imaginations of the Occupados, a police state manifests itself in their inability to deface private property (street art!!!) with impunity, to open underground music clubs that are fire hazards and anything else that precludes them from doing whatever the fuck they want. It's all so juvenile.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:27 PM

9:21 once again, they SHOT people at Kent State. That was 40 years ago. We are not seeing the BEGINNING of anything. Have some sense of history, please. See this is the kind of puerile sloganeering that makes people think your movement is half baked.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:27 PM

" For the purpose of this discussion, I'm defining success monetarily."

Precisely my point. It's bullshit because you're conditioned to think that way. I have multiple streams of income, no major debt, and own property w/o any encumbrances. But to me that's not success. It's just stuff. Success, to me, is being the best possible human being that you can w all that that encompasses. It's not about material shit.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:34 PM

9:34 that's an esoteric idea. I was defining success monetarily because in that usage it's quantifiable.

I would encourage you to continue being a good person, and would hope that does reap it's own rewards. But for the purposes of discussing the economy of this country, it's not relevant.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:39 PM

" once again, they SHOT people at Kent State"

Well they shot the army vet in Oakland in the head w a tear gas canister. not live ammo but still. was the cop a pyscho and aiming for the kid's head? who knows? If you don't talk shit to the cops and act crazy you're prob not going to get slapped around. unless of course you're black- then they might stick a plunger up your ass.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:45 PM

I never thought of myself as a success for being a decent human being. Probably because I never had to work at it. Who knows? Maybe it takes everything 9:34's got.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:46 PM

9:39 Again precisely my point. Is most certainly not an esoteric idea outside the US. It's this FANATICAL attraction to greed and money that has dragged down our country and has destroyed our economy. The recessions are are getting deeper, the recovery more shallow- to say nothing of the extraordinary divide between rich and poor that has created so much economic and social inequality. The pursuit of the almighty $$$$$$, it's a loser's game.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 9:54 PM

9:54 Who do you invented the phrase to be so rich you have money coming out of your ass!? LOLOL.....only in America bro.......

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 10:00 PM

^ I meant 9:46

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 10:03 PM

^ haha you corrected the time signature, but were ok with the sentence, "Who do you invented the phrase to be so rich you have money coming out of your ass!?" That speaks volumes.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 10:18 PM

You're so lost and misguided. 9:54. But, you know, it's great that you can measure success in terms of what kind of person you are while reading a blog that's sponsored by Bushmills Whiskey on a world wide web created by billionaires funded by Wall Street on a computer made by a mega corporation with Malaysian labor. Were it not for what you consider greedy people, your quality of life would be emphatically worse. And so would that of the poor.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 10:21 PM

10:21 you're fucking ridiculous, you fucking airhead.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 10:38 PM

Never been called an airhead before. Least of all by someone who knows roughly as much about economics as a five-year-old.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 10:41 PM

"Success success success... It doesn't matter"

-Mic Jagger.

Posted by Anonymous | November 16, 2011 11:12 PM

CHOO CHOO!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 6:45 AM

11:12, don't you know the crime rate's going up up UP UP UPPPP!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 8:44 AM

Can the hippies stop the choo choo? Stay tuned!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 9:08 AM

I avoided the choo choo today. Nice cushy ride on the ferry, took me right to Wall Street. Ahhhh..

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 9:22 AM

Got to work no problem this morning, life is good. So, what cha OWS'ers gonna eat today?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 10:19 AM

#occupymynuts

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 10:38 AM

this blog is totally overrun with morons. what a shitshow. fuck off, assholes.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 11:03 AM

nice job shutting down wall street this morning you dopes

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 11:54 AM

Yeah. The exchange opened up at 9:30am without a problem. Nice job shutting down Wall St. ASSHATS!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 11:58 AM

Wall St is flooded w Protesters.

Corporate America is scared shit.

OWS is like a virus now- It can not be contained.


Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 12:19 PM

according to a CNN there are a few hundred protestors down at Wall St. A few hundred? That's your movement?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 12:26 PM

Occupy Frohawk's House!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 12:29 PM

ows and their "movement" is sorta like when al roker says there's gonna be a huge nor'easter that buries us, then there's no snow at all. good times.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 12:44 PM

^ I'm surprised that nobody came up with that sooner.


"OWS is like a virus now- It can not be contained."

This'll be like SARS or bird flu in that there will be overbloated hysteria, followed by a gradual drop off. No big deal.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 12:44 PM

Hundreds? Lulz. And these idiots claim to be the 99%? NYC has a population of 8 million people. Therefore, more than likely, less than 1% of 1% of the population of NYC is involved with this. 99% PUHleese....

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 12:54 PM

We've done the math. They are the .0001% not the 99%. They're gonna need to change those signs.

Look at these idiots (Atlanta version)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:12 PM

^ you people are obviously getting your news from CNN/ NY Post/ etc.
In fact there are thousands there and once again you sheeple are easily fooled by the propaganda that you people call "news".

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:13 PM

THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS CONTROLLED BY THE PEOPLE THAT FEAR THESE PROTESTS. THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO CONVINCE THE MASSES THAT THE PROTESTORS ARE "SCUMMY DRUGGIES" WITHOUT A CLEAR MESSAGE. ITS CALLED PROPAGANDA. THE NAZIS USED TO DO THE SAME THING.
WAKE UP!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:18 PM

Gawker (super liberal) says 'hundreds' as well

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:24 PM

CNN says 'hundreds' as well

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:25 PM

DEMOCRATS AND REBUBLICANS ARE JUST THE TWO DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE SAME COIN. GET THAT CONCEPT OUT OF YOUR HEAD. THE NWO IS IN CONTROL. THE BANKERS OWN DEMOCRACY.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:27 PM

^you dope. We're not 'believing' anything, we are trying to get a somewhat accurate report on how many people are down there. Consensus seems to be 'hundreds'.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:30 PM

Well if you want to see proof in the propaganda, just go to wall street and you will see thousands there. Simple.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:30 PM

Sorry, going to have to go with established news organizations over Anonymous guy on the internet

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:33 PM

^ "established news" user is a victim of propaganda.
It's sad to see so many people so easily fooled.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:36 PM

NY Times says "hundreds" too

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:36 PM

WBAI 99.5 fm is a good source of news. Check the archives of past few days.

And you quoting CNN and the NY Times makes me chuckle. You are more Braindead then a daily PCP smoker.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:40 PM

1:36 so your theory is, several major news organization, with varying politics and agenda, have decided to collude in order to give a false estimate of the number of people participating in the OWS in NYC today? That seems like a really rational and plausible explanation.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:42 PM

1:42 in response to your question, the answer is YES.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:44 PM

1:44 take your meds

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:45 PM

And none of the "major news organizations" have a varying agenda. They are all controlled. The Democrat vs Republican thing is completely irrelevant. It's the world bank, the multinational banks, the NWO that really run things.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:47 PM

1:44 when you say crazy things like that, you're not helping your cause. It just makes you seem crazy, and while it might attract a certain fringe element, it alienates everyone else.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:49 PM

1:42 take off your blinders.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:49 PM

1:49 You're under 25 aren't you?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:54 PM

it's about time these protests started. The people have been to idle and been passified by falsehoods for too long. Government is not working for the people. It works for the elite, and the banks.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:54 PM

1:49 Gawker is PRO ows and they're saying hundreds. You're stance on this makes no sense at all.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:55 PM

1:54 your under a 25 IQ aren't you?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:57 PM

1:49 is totally under 25. Suffice to say no matter what the exact number of people there is, it's not even close to 1% of the population of NYC.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 1:59 PM

Stupid hippies.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:00 PM

RON PAUL 2012.
DO YOUR RESEARCH.

THE MEDIA IS ALSO SILENCING HIM.
IN THE DEBATES THEY GAVE HIM 83 SECONDS OF TALK TIME. THEY ARE SILENCING THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.

HE IS LEADING IN MANY POLLS, YET STILL HE IS PUSHED UNDER THE RUG BECAUSE THE MACHINE FEARS HIS MESSAGE.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:03 PM

2:03 do you wear tinfoil on your head?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:04 PM

Stupid sheeple.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:05 PM

The OWS movement is similar to what I've seen in the 60s civil rights movement. They are both on the right side of history. If this was 1965 you anti OWS people remind me of the masses that called Martin Luther King a "nigger".

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:10 PM

2:10, you must be really fucking dense, then. That comparison is terrible, not accurate, and I take offense.

Now, admit to everyone on here that you're an idiot (and old, apparently).

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:17 PM

"They are both on the right side of history."

why has this become a catch phrase with the OWS people? When you say it, it just becomes another slogan. This kind of argument does not sway rational intelligent people. We allow time to decide who is on the right side of history.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:17 PM

Wake up people. The old system is broken. It's time to reclaim democracy. The govt (democrat or republican) does not have your interests in mind. Our founding fathers would be with OWS. And that is clearly beyond all debate. So wake up!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:21 PM

You "rational intelligent people" who listen to fox news and CNN for your info are not either "rational" or "intelligent".

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:23 PM

2:23 that's definitely an abstraction. No one said anything about Fox or CNN. Simply put, were allow history to decide what history will be. Not shouting, delusional, fringe elements.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:29 PM

The fluoride that NYC pumps in it's drinking water is working well.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:31 PM

I think the condescending, self-righteous, holier-than-thou, "I'm more enlightened than you" attitude of many of the ows-types is what I find most repugnant.

I just find their ineffectiveness sad. There are a lot of allegedly super intelligent and capable people on board this thing, you'd think they'd have their shit together a little more after 2 months. This is coming from a very left-wing, open-minded and "awake" person.

You guys have a long way to go and may want to consider less mud slinging and more thoughtful propositions and solutions.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:32 PM

Hey 2:29, Is George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Martin Luther King also "fringe" elements in their respective time?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:34 PM

I believe that our economy has serious structural as well as cyclical problems. I applaud the OWS movement for raising consciousness to these issues even if they don't have a plan for addressing them and are at times annoying. For instance, on my way to work today, one of them carrying a sign saying "Wake Up" told me that I was living in the matrix. I wish, that place is frickin' awesome! I question why they are getting bogged down on issues relating to "their" space in Zucotti Park rather than the more important work of building a network of like-minded people.

Posted by jabez | November 17, 2011 2:36 PM

The Left wing/ Right wing argument is the same. Democracy is dead in america. Police using LRAD on protestors. Constant surveillance. Wake up. Do your research.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:38 PM

"The Left wing/ Right wing argument is the same. Democracy is dead in america. Police using LRAD on protestors. Constant surveillance. Wake up. Do your research."

This is a perfect example of worthless drivel. What is the point of this message? These kinds of comments are the norm, not the exception, and that's a problem if you want people to pay attention.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:40 PM

Occupiers are delusional. Sound like dopey conspiracy folks. I hope they get a clue and go do something with their lives. Very sad.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:47 PM

2:40... No. You are the one that is not paying attention. Now go back to whatever your doing and keep on allowing our rights to get slowly stripped away.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:50 PM

2:34 you really like false equivalencies. History tells us that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Martin Luther King had a point. There are also, many, many, more "fringe" elements that history has completely forgotten. That's why you have to allow time to sort things out. Unless you are a soothsayer, which you're not.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 2:52 PM

2:52, the OWS has an extremely valid point. But the difference is, the government (world bank, fed) has control of the media now which is their most potent weapon and it keeps the masses brainwashed. The OWS has the largest challenge to succeed because people such as yourself are so easily blinded to the realities and we cannot awaken the populous of the atrocities that is 2011 realities.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:00 PM

"But the difference is, the government (world bank, fed) has control of the media now which is their most potent weapon and it keeps the masses brainwashed."

What are you talking about? With the internet/facebook/twitter etc., the government has LESS control of the media now then they ever had in the history of the world. Media has become completely decentralized. Compare now to the Vietnam era when there were only major newspapers and three television channels. What you're saying is just not true. It's propaganda.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:10 PM

^ See conspiracy morons.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:11 PM

man, ows really has the b (or lower) teams involved in their attack on the blogosphere, eh? yikes. you guys are fucked!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:13 PM

"It's time to reclaim democracy"

and what does this even mean?

it doesn't make any sense. In a democratic society which the last I checked is still a democracy, how exactly do you reclaim this democracy that hasn't gone away?

You may not like where the democracy has headed or where this democracy has taken you, but it's still a democracy. Democracies evolve and change over time and there are highs and lows but there's nothing to reclaim if you still legally and religiously have just as much right as the next person to succeed in anything you do.

So instead of yelling to reclaim democracy, why not try to reclaim your own life.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:15 PM

Tw majority of people still utilize mainstream media for news you idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:16 PM

the minority of intelligent voices in the OWS protest are being drowned out by the majority of whining clueless college aged idiots acting like children and joining in the bandwagon so they can play hippie

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:18 PM

I am not an occupier, but what I see beyond debate is the beginnings of our rights to protest and peacefully assemble under attack. And if that is part of 3:15's "evolving democracy" that let's stop this so called "evolution" and start a REVOLUTION.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:20 PM

I would take this protest seriously if it was a real middle-working class that was protesting these issues. Instead its a bunch of dumb young student types who have lots of freedoms- time, money, etc.and are more interested in an orgy/ party in a park than getting the message out.

and they are wasting their time annoying everyone with vague issues that they can control if they put their energies into things more productive.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:22 PM

"what I see... is the beginnings of our rights to protest and peacefully assemble under attack"

you see that as the beginnings because you are too young to understand that this has been going on since the beginning of time.

Learn a little about history and you'll find out that this is not a new issue.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:24 PM

I'm a young 20 something college type and these people embarrass the heck out of me

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:24 PM

and they stink also

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:25 PM

3:22 the OWS message is and has been clear from the beginning. Yet again, try to understand that the message is being silenced because the people in power don't want it to grow and catch on. This entire concept of "we don't know what OWS is protesting" is total rubbish and a propaganda tool that media is using against the people.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:25 PM

White Riot I wanna Riot White Riot A Riot of my own.

-The Clash 1977

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:26 PM

I'd be interested to find out how many of those protester kids parents are in the one percent or close to it....

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:27 PM

I am not the media and I have no idea what the hell you people are protesting

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:28 PM

"the OWS message is and has been clear from the beginning"

Okay, so what is it?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:29 PM

^ go to the occupy site. The answers are all there for you. It's really rather easy.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 3:46 PM

so it's after 3pm. Did these dopes succeed in occupying the choo choo?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 4:02 PM

bushmills is since way back!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 4:18 PM

Oppresion of the people since way back.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 4:48 PM

3:46

You have just proved my point and the only thing clear is that your protest is doomed to fail.

A successful protest/protester should have a short concise complaint and goal at the ready to be shouted out when asked, or more importantly- when not asked.

When I asked you what the 'clear message' was, you responded by sending me to a website to get "all the answers" myself.

You can't stage a successful protest by sending people to a website to find out what your complaint is. Most people won't bother.

And since you didn't even give me anything else in your response, I wonder if you even know the message yourself.

Fail.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 4:51 PM

^ your rediculous. The answers are a click away. Why do you require an anonymous BV commentor to spoon feed you?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 4:56 PM

these are great illustrations of the laziness and "mailing it in" type bullshit so characteristic of the protestors. i'm sure if you bothered going to the site, which i have, you would not have an epiphany or "awakening," as it were.

"your rediculous?" that's funny.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:01 PM

^ yes. You once again prove how rediculous you are. But in fact I don't feel like engaging in such brainless activities as Internet arguing. So choose to educate yourself, or choose the inequalities that the forces are imposing upon you.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:07 PM

4:56, still proving my point, rather than again simply tell me what you are protesting you are now arguing about the fact that I don't want to have to go to a website to investigate your message for myself.

You're the one protesting, you're the one that should tell me the message. And yes, you are the one that should spoon feed it to me and the rest of the country. That's what you are supposed to do.

Hilarious that you think it is the public that is lazy for not going on your website to find out all about your nonsense. You as the protester are the lazy one for continuing a back and forth dialogue with me AND STILL NOT TELLING ME WHAT YOU ARE PROTESTING!

The only things I know are that you want to sleep in the park and you want me to go on your website.

Two things that are not going to happen.

and you spelled both words of 'you're ridiculous' wrong.

amazing.


Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:23 PM

^ ok. I now change my comment of you "being rediculous" to you "being clueless".

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:33 PM

so, show me how clueless I am by enlightening me with your argument for OWS... which you still can't manage to do.

And you spelled 'ridiculous' wrong yet again.

This is why people can't take you folks seriously. A complete joke.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:38 PM

^ 5:38 are you a cop?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:41 PM

No. 5:38 is bloomberg.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:42 PM

Yeah, I'm a cop, I have nothing better to do today than argue stuff on message board.

No you idiot, I'm not a cop. Do you think that everyone that disagrees with how you are going about protesting is a cop?

and you must than assume that everyone that isn't a cop is on your side?

this is high comedy

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:44 PM

Actually I think 5:38 might be simply "a mindless drone without the ability of thinking clearly"

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:45 PM

Protesters can't manage a cohesive argument and can't spell.

looks like a revolution to me.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:46 PM

Ok fair enough. 5:38 isn't a cop, but take note how he didn't deny he wasn't bloomberg.
Hello mayor. :)

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:49 PM

hilarious.....

tell me something, anything at all about your position as a protester and we'll see just how clearly I can think for myself.

The issue here is that you can't even manage to speak of your agenda or your cause, and ironically you tell me that I can't think clearly when you have not given me anything to even think about or argue about in terms of OWS. You yourself don't even know what you are protesting at this point. You've gotten so caught up with this silliness that you've so completely lost any little focus you may have originally had and are just sending people to a website.

I could send you to websites also, so that's not an answer bozo

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:52 PM

thank goodness this whole thing is almost over

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 5:53 PM

There are many elements to this protest because the situation we live in currently is diverse in its oppression and "rigged" corporate banking control.
Let's discuss a few basics:
-Billion dollar tax paying bailouts to world banks.
-corrupt politicians playing to lobbyists and not the people.
-the slow removal of our rights in many facets. (ie patriot act, constant surveillance)

Shall I continue?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 6:19 PM

Let's also not forget:

-the death of the middle class and the furthering distance of rich and poor. (slaves)
-the cost of presidential elections exceeding 1 billion dollars, and the complete perversion of democracy.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 6:25 PM

Seems 5:52 got his answers. Now get out there and protest! Do something 5:52!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 6:28 PM

thank you for finally throwing me a bone.

While most of your above protest points are valid and to be taken seriously, you cannot expect to 1. accomplish all of that under the umbrella of one protest under the name of OWS. 2. Accomplish anything without a goal of what you want or how to achieve it.

Yes, things are messed up, but all you are doing is pointing them out. We don't need you to point out how messed up things are. What are you suggesting doing about them?

You have too many complaints. Why not add every other thing that's wrong with our society into the pot as well?

What I am saying is that even if you have valid points that I and most people may agree with you cannot take 100 arguments against the system and throw it all under one banner of protest. You need to simplify your complaints and your ultimate goal if you want anyone to actually listen and not just dismiss you as kooks and hippies.

Your comment "Shall I continue?" is not the correct way to go.

You already listed five things that are separate. Adding more and more will just confuse and distance people from accomplishing any of it.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 6:38 PM

True, accomplishing those things will be difficult, but let us at least get behind the OWS movement for bringing these issues up to our fellow citizens and to the world. The first step is AWARENESS and OWS has done that. Applaud them. And let's hope the police state doesn't shoot any tear gas tonight.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 6:48 PM

Albert Hammond Jr is almost completely bald!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 7:10 PM

So much for you folk that were listening to mainstream media that claimed "hundreds" were protesting. There is a solid 20,000 marching in lower manhattan right now. And that number will continue to grow.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 7:23 PM

Is Frohawk There?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 10:31 PM

I heard its like Ibiza in the 90s- almost dead.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 10:31 PM

Just think...if those 20,000 people had gone to work today they'd have put in 160,000 man hours and earned paychecks.

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 11:18 PM

Yeah, where is frohawk?

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2011 11:28 PM

it's true. frohawk is a major sociopolitical figure. He need to release statement..

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2011 12:54 AM

I love how these assholes are all complaining about the bailouts now. Didn't this shit start back in 2008? Where were you dirtbags then? Wasn't Barry O all for that shit as well? I'm sure you all voted for him too. (those who were old enough that is)

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2011 3:54 AM

I BALL SO HARD MUFUCKAS WANNA FINE ME, FIRST NIGGAS GOTTA FIND ME. WHAT'S 50 GRAND TO A MUFUCKA LIKE ME, CAN YOU PLEASE REMIND ME?

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2011 4:06 AM

BALL SO HARD MUFUCKAS WANNA FINE ME, FIRST NIGGAS GOTTA FIND ME. WHAT'S 50 GRAND TO A MUFUCKA LIKE ME, CAN YOU PLEASE REMIND ME?

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2011 4:08 AM

I can't believe this thread is still active. When the majority of comments on BV are mocking OWS, the movement is full of fail.

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2011 5:30 AM

It's all the Jew bankers' fault. And the homosexuals. And the Conservative neanderthals.

And everyone else that doesn't look or think like us.

#epicfail

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2011 8:43 AM

10:49 is a BIG PUSSY PHONY and i'll try him - any day fuckhead.

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2011 8:54 AM

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2011 9:14 AM

The anti-OWS comments are like those coming from pack of old ladies w various stages of dementia and asking questions like "why are we in Iraq?", or "why did they attack the WTC?" Their idea of a good time is sitting in the upper deck of Yankee Stadium, shouting obscenities until they turn blue, and drinking until they puke their brains out. Their entire world view consists of the slogan 'my country, right or wrong'. They speak pejoratively of OWS, but have no real ideas of their own. OWS makes them feel uncomfortable because it upsets the status quo. They're the latter part of the adage "you can make it happen, you can watch it happen, or you can say what happened?"

30,000 people came out (nypd stat) yesterday. OWS is here to stay, bitches- you'll be hearing from them for a long time to come.

Posted by Anonymous | November 18, 2011 7:44 PM

cool

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