Posted in To Do | music | tour dates on November 20, 2011

Ted Leo @ FFFFest 2011 (more by Tim Griffin)
Ted Leo

Ted Leo (who recently covered Misfits in Texas, covered Replacements in NYC, and is playing a New Year's Eve show in Hoboken) and Titus Andronicus (who recently lost a member and played two shows with Fucked Up) are teaming up with The So So Glos to play a last minute benefit at Shea Stadium on Monday night. More details, in Ted's and Patrick's words, below...

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TED LEO WROTE:

MONDAY 11/21 - LAST MINUTE BENEFIT FOR THE LAWYERS GUILD, IN SOLIDARITY W/ALL THOSE FEELING THE BRUNT OF THE BATON AND THE CINCH OF THE ZIP TIES
FOLKS! We're playing a last minute benefit show at Shea Stadium in Brooklyn THIS MONDAY NIGHT, 11/21, organized by and playing with TITUS ANDRONICUS and THE SO SO GLOS!!

It's been an emotional week, and somewhere between feeling powerless reading the news all morning, feeling inspired joining in with the marches in the afternoon, and getting on stage to play music for and to and with people, every night, I think we all remembered where a particular strength of ours lies, and we felt we should contribute in the way that seems most natural to us.
So here's the relevant information:
MONDAY NIGHT
NOVEMBER 21st
SHEA STADIUM
20 MEADOW STREET, BROOKLYN NY
8:00 PM

TED LEO AND THE PHARMACISTS
TITUS ANDRONICUS
THE SO SO GLOS

FIFTEEN DOLLARS
BUY TICKETS AT MAIN DRAG BUSHWICK SUPPLY ANNEX
268 MESEROLE ST, BROOKLYN
BEGINNING AT NOON, MONDAY

TICKET SALES WILL BE CAPPED AT 200
THERE WILL BE NO TICKETS AT THE DOOR
I REPEAT, ABSOLUTELY NO TICKETS AT THE DOOR

ALL PROCEEDS TO BENEFIT
THE NATIONAL LAWYER'S GUILD
http://www.nlg.org/occupy/

ALL AGES
ALL RACES
ALL CREEDS
ALL CLASSES
ALL SEXUALITIES

There's so much more to say about it, and we'll say it together, in person, Monday night.

In the meantime, Patrick Stickles (from Titus), wrote up an explanation that I don't think there's much more to add to, so I'm going to just reprint it here:

FAQ:

"How are you going to act like you are all righteous? All yr doing is what yr managers and booking agents tell you to do!"

Actually, no. I just got out my cell piece, buzzed my man Ted Leo, told him that war had broken out, heard him say that he saw it also, pooled the strength and enthusiasm of Titus with that of him and his Pharmacists, quickly came upon an agreed course of action, and that was it. No managers, no booking agents, no handlers, no advisers, no publicists, no nothing. Just some Jersey boys seeing that the world is fucked up and pledging to devote whatever meager strength and energy we may have to its correction, as is the charge of every person who has enjoyed the birth right which is our beautiful Earth.

"How can you have this show at Shea Stadium? This bill could fill a bigger place. Why are you denying people who would want to see you play, or, for that matter, turning away more money?"

Because real, sustainable change will only ever begin at home, amongst communities of people who know each other, who trust each other, and who love each other. I like the people who keep, say, the Music Hall of Williamsburg open for business - I like them very much - but I do not love them. They are friends, for sure, but real change must be made with family.

Furthermore, a solitary evening at Shea Stadium demands administrative costs of zero dollars. If there was any other place in town that could maybe make a promise like that, that would be one thing, but I somehow guess that, because they are businesses (and I respect local business), there would have to be some kind of overhead. Because the times are so dire and the urgency of the situation so serious, to allow even one dollar to get mislaid is poison to our hearts.

Besides that, Shea Stadium is, bar none, the best venue in town. It has all the charms and righteous virtues of the DIY scene and the technology to compete with any place in town sonically.

"Why are you giving yr money to the National Lawyer's Guild? Aren't they all working pro bono anyway?"

Well, yeah, but the fact of the matter is that human rights need to be defended by someone, and it has become excruciatingly clear that the NYPD lacks both the ability and the wherewithal to even attempt to do so. If the police will not defend our rights, we will find someone else who will. These lawyers have been massively generous, and we will look forward to putting three thousand dollars into their pockets, so that they may eat, be sheltered, be clothed, and so forth, while they are putting aside their own capitalist dreams for a cause bigger than themselves. We should all be so brave and so generous as these lawyers.

Also, my father was a lawyer for many years, a corporate lawyer, and it was this work that paid for the many privileges I enjoyed as a youth (most relevantly, the privilege to devote much of my mental faculties to my own development as a musician, rather than say, the toilet scrubbing I may have had to do to keep myself alive had I been born to different circumstances). Basically, no lawyers, no Titus. Admittedly, much of my father's work involved moving money around from one massive corporation to another, but he is a truly righteous man, and has since left the law to work as Principal of the economically depressed catholic high school from whence he graduated way back in 1966. I might not think all that much of money changing for my personal tastes, and it is near certain that I will never pursue a career in any field of law, but I kiss my father's feet for the way he busted his ass to make a better life for me. He grew up poor, but he grew up in an America where a man like him, born into poverty, but hard-working, smart, determined, could rise up as high as he wanted, and build a better life for his children. He fought and clawed his way out of Roselle Park, NJ, to the ivy-covered walls of Princeton, to Columbia,
through decades of unending exertion, grunted and sweated through the ranks of school administrators, through another degree (this time law, at Rutgers), up through the ranks of two law firms, all the way to senior partner, and all the way to a life where his son could be given every advantage his own father never could have given him. This was the America my father made himself in. This was the promise that brought my Irish ancestors to America, and this is a promise that I WILL make to my own children, because I REFUSE to let it die, or should I say, to stand idly by and watch it as it is murdered.

"Are you pumped to be playing with Ted Leo/Pharmacists? What about So So Glos?"

FUCK yeah.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, THAT'S IT
SEE YOU TOMORROW
DESTROY POWER
NOT PEOPLE

Yr brother,
Patrick

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Comments (147)

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Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 10:02 PM

Going to be awesome for those who can get tickets! Unfortunately us who work will likely not be able to go...

Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 10:06 PM

never listened to titus but respect to these dudes.

Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 10:07 PM

yea TEO LOE and Titus, some people ACTUALLY WORK, we don't sit at home waiting for tickets go to on sale. I'm all for raising money for a cause but really Monday night?

Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 10:18 PM

Lol 10:06....exactly....those who WORK will not be at this for two reasons then.

I love Titus Andronicus but OWS has become a joke.

Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 10:20 PM

If only this were 2 days later...

Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 10:46 PM

'Because the times are so dire and the urgency of the situation so serious, to allow even one dollar to get mislaid is poison to our hearts.'

please. i'm glad the middle-class white boys of suburban america finally have a voice in this whiny prick. that spiel about his father in unreal. someone pop this guy's ego please.

Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 11:25 PM

wonder if ted will remember me from guitar class at nd...

Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 11:29 PM

OWS is not a joke. It's the beginning of a global revolution that is gonna turn your entire hummus platter upside down.

Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 11:31 PM

If you have something to say, say it to my face. There's the email. Let's see how tough you all really are then, yeah?

Posted by Patrick | November 20, 2011 11:35 PM

Pardon me. Titusandronicustheband@gmail.com. If you want to have a dialogue, let's do it. Otherwise, you are just jerking off.

Posted by Patrick | November 20, 2011 11:36 PM

Methinks some anonymous trolls are going to get bulldozed...

Posted by Thenuel Shlunt | November 20, 2011 11:48 PM

Wage Slaves whining about how they can't go out on a Monday to support the only global movement (Occupy Wall Street) that is against Wage Slavery.

there is no fate but what we make.

Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 11:50 PM

Well I know what I'm doing Monday night. Also lunchtime.

Posted by Anonymous | November 20, 2011 11:55 PM

All of you cynical fucks are the same shits who said that Occupy shiz wouldn't last more than a week. Eat your fucking words. Titus and Ted Leo are fucking sweet. Seen em both live, and if you're in bklyn and sleep on this shit, you're a fucking chump. Say what you will about Occupy, but if you don't see a connection between whats happening in the US, revolutions in the middle east, and austerity riots in the EU, you're a dumbfuck. And if you think that the economic problems are the result of 'policy', or can be remedied by policy, you have your head up your ass. Shit originated as a credit crisis in the upper tiers of finance, and it's schlubs like you an me that are footing the bill.

Posted by Joe Hill's Body | November 20, 2011 11:59 PM

we are unstoppable.
another world is possible.

get educated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrNgon2_kEY

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 12:00 AM

everyone, post something about patrick! he's reading and waiting, mouth drooling, fingers ready at the keys! he's going to bring the revolution one shea stadium show, one tweet, and one record on XL at a time!

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 12:08 AM

^cocksniffer

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 12:12 AM

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thin-skinned

2. Oversensitive, especially to criticism or insult.

Posted by thin-skinned | November 21, 2011 12:21 AM

i am part of the 1% and do not have to work. i will be at this show.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 12:22 AM

12:08, at least he's trying to do something, unlike you who are simply trying to discredit him...

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 12:23 AM

I'm bustin my ass trying to work full time and go to school so that hopefully I can get out of this $12/hr wage slave bullshit. I applaud all of these folks, from those who were in Z park to the folks in Oakland, to Ted Leo and TA for being out on the streets for me when I can't be there. Not everyone who gives a shit sucks. Not everyone who gives a shit is a dumb hippie. Stop being herded like cattle, folks. They're taking us to the slaughterhouse.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 12:47 AM

Frohawk better be elected Minister Of Snacks

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 12:49 AM

ted leo iz eating that chik from $creaming femalez a$$

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 1:07 AM

I don't know Ted Leo's music, but being that he is supporting OWS, I'm gonna check it out. He seems like a decent guy.

Posted by Regular Reader. | November 21, 2011 1:19 AM

I want your SKULLS!!!

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 2:50 AM

OWS=loser babies
Titus=trust find babies

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 5:30 AM

So if Titus's dad wasn't a corporate whore than we wouldn't have to listen to his music? Maybe I will join these OWS protesters after all. Then future generations won't have to suffer through garbage like _The Monitor_.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 6:06 AM

"up through the ranks of two law firms, all the way to senior partner, and all the way to a life where his son could be given every advantage his own father never could have given him."

And you went to a retard college and now have a mediocre band that you'll never make much of a living with. That's what's great about America! Fools like yourself are downwardly mobile while other people, much like your father did, rise up.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 6:52 AM

Everyone sucks

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 6:52 AM

No no ... everyone rocks!!!

Posted by London Apartments | November 21, 2011 7:11 AM

I'll never understand bk vegan commenters. If you like these band or support this movement go...I think seeing ted leo and titus at a small venue will be great. However if you don't like them, don't go.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 7:21 AM

Only 1% of the people own functional Echoplex EP3s. I think Ted Leo needs to give his fair share and donate that EP3 to me.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 8:03 AM

Ted Leo : "Not only am I the owner of Hair Club For Men, but I'm also a client"

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 8:04 AM

"He fought and clawed his way out of Roselle Park, NJ"

Shit, I wish I could claw my way into that lovely suburb.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 8:07 AM

Why does this band Titus Andronicus keep showing up on this site. They fucking suck....Period.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 9:11 AM

There's something so self-righteous about all of this.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 9:36 AM

^^
exactly!

i can't really hate on ted leo, he's about as real and salt of the earth as they get, but that diatribe from patrick was painful. seriously? privileged white kid from the burbs does good? please. his dad busted his ass just like people today are doing, yet the people who bust their ass today and make money are chastised? i'm not even talking about the super wealthy, powermongering, elite. there are plenty of relatively affluent people, hardworking people, who have been scorned during this whole thing, akin to a fucking witch hunt. frankly, i'm over it...and i've never liked titus andronicus.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 9:49 AM

uhh this show took place already about two years ago on Father's Day at Maxwell's & Kearney's Irish Association. And it was magical...

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:18 AM

@949

he was simply pointing out the system in America that allowed his father to succeed through hard work is clearly eroding. OWS is not chastising people for success. Rather they are working to ensure that America gets off the edge of the cliff which it's at. On the cusp of being a country where there is no upward mobility. You're the one chastising him for his father's success.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:40 AM

@1040 the system isn't eroding, this is just a result of the baby boom echo - oversaturation of qualified individuals leads to underavailability of high-paying jobs and an increase in hiring qualifications for all jobs on a whole. you can still get a job, just fucking try for more than a few months (i tried for several years after graduating to get the job i currently work in, but i'm not about to waste one second of my time protesting against what is essentially the american capitalist system; i'll spend my time earning money to secure my future, thanks).

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:45 AM

ughhh can we please just deport these OWS people. literally.

send them to any country other in the world, and let's see if they keep complaining about how unfairly the US economic system treats people.

show them a picture of india's 99% and tell them to shut. the. fuck. up.

be grateful for what you have.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:47 AM

Of course a full-grown self-admitted trust fund hipster is the one playing a fundraiser for OWS. Go back to your polyester cave, Theodore.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:48 AM

@1047 hits the OWS sense of entitlement on the fuckin head.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:49 AM

Haha, that dude from TA can"t be serious. My god. He actually wrote that retard spiel, most like re-read it, and then hit send. I can see why he got along so well with that dopey Harvard chick who was in love with Lana Del Rey. Are there any more out of touch people in the world than well born indie rockers? I think this is it for me. The last straw. I'm going to listen to Country or Master P or something.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 11:13 AM

Is Titus playing new songs these days ? Or still from the first two albums?

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 11:24 AM

@ 10:45 Dumbfuck BV commenters need to check out the news occasionally. It's a fucking GLOBAL economic crisis that fucking DOUBLED our unemployment rate. Everyone's 401ks and home values went down the goddamn toilet. Decent jobs have been replaced with shittly low wage ones, and nobody can really figure out how to fix it. But "nothing is eroding"? "Baby boom echo"? What fucking planet have you been living on?

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 11:29 AM

I'm really getting into Elton John right now.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 11:46 AM

@10:47 is just a dog underneath the king's table, who mistakenly believes the scraps of skin and bone he finds deposited on the floor to be served unto him by the waitstaff.

"Mistaking insolence for freedom has always been the hallmark of the slave."
- Wilhelm Reich,

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 11:48 AM

11:24 they played several new songs last week opening for fucked up.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 11:50 AM

Anyone get tickets yet? Seem like it is selling quick? I can't get there till 5 since I work.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 12:58 PM

To those who clamor about the world wide economic crisis... you are aware that the fault falls squarely on the shoulders of the great savior Obama, right? If you want to protest someone, protest him...

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 1:17 PM

the OWS people I see are fall into three types:

1. over-coddled out of towners that were to spoiled/dumb/lazy/self important to get real jobs

2. the 'real' homless

3. criminally insane conspircy types

group 1 better head for home before the end up in 2.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 1:24 PM

It makes perfect sense for kids who come from privilege to contribute to a movement like OWS. One of the big ideas of OWS is that those with more means should be contributing more. When someone with a background of privilege takes sides with people who don't have enough, they get snarky comments from cynic blog-readers, who seem to prefer that those who can afford to do something just shut their mouths and keep living it up.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 1:42 PM

@1:42 spot on

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 2:19 PM

1:42 really nailed it
now, who's gonna pay for my lunch over here? i only made $22.5k last year.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:08 PM

Nothing says "taking it to the man" like playing a $3000 full gloss quilt top Gibson ES335 (non-union built).

When he starts playing Washburns in a move to show support for those forced to play shitty instruments, I'll go support his cause.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:11 PM

The funniest part of all of Titus' nonsense is the fact that he firmly believes he's making a difference. And I promise I'm no cynic.

Hey, Patrick, give me one concrete example of a policy change or financial shift that has occurred because of OWS? Other than the fact that my taxes are now largely going to police officers working overtime (instead of towards worthier causes [and no I do not mean public education - that's an even bigger joke])

The fact is, this is a completely self-serving movement. Everyone involved is applauding one another for the change they're enacting. It reminds me of the South Park hippie episode where the jam band goes up on stage and announces "Now it's time to kick this into overdrive and MAKE A CHANGE" and then just starts playing music.

Patrick, you lovable oaf, if you care so much about changing the world, maybe you should follow in the footsteps of someone like Sarah Palin, who saw something wrong the way the system worked, and continued to move up the governmental system because she was doing a good job.

Say what you want about her, but that seemed to have changed the world a lot more than your shitty music.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:21 PM

I see one category of right wing crank on Brooklyn Vegan here

1) that one guy pretending to be several people having a conversation, clutching his cum stained copy of Atlas Shrugged

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:43 PM

Eat a bag of dicks, 3:43.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:44 PM

and he's ornery - and sensitive!

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:46 PM

3:44 was my first comment here, you miserable vomitous mass. But really, eat a bag of dicks. Then run along to your foodservice job.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:49 PM

my favorite thing about libertarians is how courageous, brave, grown up, and no bullshit they think themselves as being - while defying logic, personal anecdotal experience, to cling to positions backed by and benefiting the most powerful and corrupt people in the world

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:50 PM

also, you don't have to scratch the surface very deeply to get libertarians to reveal their angry white man side, and the fact that they often have a deep seated hatred of the rest of humanity

see: 3:49pm for a great example

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:52 PM

libertarians have the smallest cocks

ask any woman!

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:53 PM

well not for nothing, but i like turtles

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:55 PM

it's super duper brave for a white guy who went to a private school costing more per year than the US per capita income... to advocate for keeping the economic order just the way it is!

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 3:57 PM

NYC public schools cost almost as much per student as the US per capita income. And it mainly produces functional illiterates. That fact alone serves to underscore what a useless imbecile you are.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:05 PM

3:50 I'm not really sure what you're getting at --

At the absolute core libertarianism is based around the belief that power should be less centralized, thus allowing the mass to have a voice in the way their government it run. I don't really see how that benefits a small % of people...

The truth is, sitting around a park doesn't do anything to change the world other than waste tax dollars.

Many have looked at OWS and the Tea Party movement in similar lights -- those comparisons are just, to some degree. They both believe a radical change is necessary to set the country back on course. The main difference is that the Tea Party wants change using smart legislature and a reassessment of government, particularly the way government spends our hard earned tax dollars (i.e. on a broken school system)

That is why I challenge Patrick the tool to run for a position in government. I'm tired of mildly intellectual musicians having a high sense of self worth because they write music they consider to be radical. I have never heard someone reference Titus Andronicus, or Ted Leo, as a changing force in the world. Likewise I have never heard a single policy that OWS has forced into action that has change the way our country works. That is why, above all, this whole movement, and the self-obsessed liberal agenda, is a joke.

Look, the political system that all these musicians supported had its chance -- Obama had both the senate and the house -- every policy he created his first two years got pushed through -- and yet our world seems to be getting worse. Yes, some of this probably has to do with big business, but I have heard very little clamoring for Obama's head through all of this, and that is a travesty -- shouldn't he be held just as accountable, if not more, than a businessman? His agenda is supposed to be crystal clear; help Americans thrive. Yet his tenure as president has been anything but clear.

Calling conservatives names and insulting them because you disagree with them is counterproductive. If you want to have a sincere debate on here, I'm happy to - I do think debating can reveal some serious broken logic in the way people think - but silly trite insults are a waste of everyone's time.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:05 PM

First of all, I did go to private school, and I'm proud of it. Private schools do a fantastic job of educating their students.

But anyone who argues that public schooling is effective at what it sets out to do is clearly delusional. For a system, and a union, that has so much money poured into it, public schools and their teachers do a spectacular job of failing to achieve their goals.

The flip side is the success of magnet schools, schools that essentially operate like public schools but without the union to boss them around. Those schools, which are generally free, do a fantastic job at educating.

Why? Because they don't have a bloated, self promoting union to bully them.

I think we're seeing a consistent theme here - put the money in the hands of a huge government, and they misspend. Put it into private hands, and everyone seems to spend more cautiously.

And it's a fact that private school teachers have fewer benefits, less tenure, and much more unstable jobs than those in the teachers union.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:12 PM

I FUX WITH THE HOMIE STICKLES

Posted by DaYungPaperChaselol | November 21, 2011 4:17 PM

DEFENSIVE CONSERVATIVE FREAK DEFENDS HIMSELF BY REVEALING HE'S BEEN POSTING AS DIFFERENT "PEOPLE"

How serious is this job yr so proud of bud? You are posting novels here. Get back to work and earn yr paycheck like a productive member of society.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:29 PM

Move up the ladder! Like Sarah Palin!

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:31 PM

"@1047 hits the OWS sense of entitlement on the fuckin head."

That false sense of entitlement includes pompous bloted-head comments like 11:48's.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:31 PM

Nice touch with the all caps treatment. You always know you're dealing with a bright individual when they go that route.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:33 PM

What astounds me more than anything is how willing everyone is to hand their money over to the government, which can take as much as it wants, and has no repercussions for misspending.

Why aren't we better off having private organizations that can be held accountable spending our money? Why can't we choose where our money goes?

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:38 PM

I see that OWS has moved on to the brilliant ploy of collectively not paying back their student loans. It pretty much summarizes the abject stupidity of these people that their animus is focused on the people who enabled their desired self-indulgence by providing them with loans rather than the colleges and universities which not only charge out the wazoo but also foster the notion that you can follow your bliss without consequence.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:45 PM

Hey libertaibore... you lost us when you let it be known you've been impersonating different anonopeeps to sound like a crowd.

You are a creep, fuck off.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:50 PM

what i don't get is, if this effort is so politically charged, targeting legislation and politicians, etc, why aren't they camped out in DC yelling at the guilty parties and perhaps finding an audience that can actually do something about it?

preventing bankers from getting to work on the stock exchange, and local business owners from getting to their jobs, is surely misdirected. if you want more than just shock value, which inherently accomplishes nothing, why not refocus and actually try to accomplish something meaningful?

i've asked this repeatedly and all i get are snappy responses like, "wake up," or, "get educated." i'm not convinced, and i'm a fucking liberal for god's sake.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:54 PM

These people see government as mommy, daddy and Santa Claus. It's sad really. You can simultaneously watch various organs of the left characterizing cops as stupid, bumbling fascists when they're clearing up Cholera pits like OWS and also "doing God's work" when any state endeavors to get its financial house in order. Cops are the poster children for the utter evil of the "corporate state" and the poster children for the poor, put upon government worker.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 4:57 PM

what I don't get is why, if it's so about highlighting hippies to defend richy riches, why is it targeted at a bunch of people online trying to talk about indie rock music?

why not refocus, get out of the house, stop pretending to strangers on a music website that you're several successful and employed right wing libertarian online personas (and not just a single loser in his underwear, switching between this and porn, laid off months ago), and get out and meet some lucky tea party girl to channel all this frustration onto?

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 5:04 PM

You're brilliant, 5:04. For starters, no matter how many times you or anyone else witlessly asserts it, you're not arguing with one person pretending to be multiple people here. So we'll just call that the first sign that you're an idiot.

Also, the fucking post is about Occupy Wall Street. So we'll just call the dopey assertion that anyone is hijacking an indie rock thread for politics the second sign that you're an idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 5:15 PM

NYC public schools spend about $15k per year per student

The per median capita income in NYC is $38k per year

Not "almost as much."

Meanwhile, the average tuition at an Ivy league school is $50k per year. Average yearly tuition at a private liberal arts college is about $26k.

The average tuition at a state university is about $7k (and used to be A LOT less than that, before drastic right wing/libertarian-pushed property tax cuts swept the state houses and slashed all budgets back in the 90's).

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 5:18 PM

5:15 is the same guy as all the other posts, as if it even needs to be pointed out. He's getting increasingly cagey.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 5:19 PM

every post on here is written by one person. he's just making his stance seem more "right"/worthy by making his opponent's opinion seem childish and naive.

dick

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 5:38 PM

lol see you guys tonight? we shall continue the debate at the show

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 5:45 PM

@4:31

The agree w (A) then attack (B) tactic is the same Us vs Them approach that MSM has framed OWS in from day 1*.

It is not about, and has never been about Entitlement. Its about transparency, justice, accountability, responsibility, community, unity, sustainability, and not being complacently thankful that your master left you dollar after fisting out your entire life savings.

Its not about being glad you are fortunate. Its about being irate that others are not, will never be, and have had the global system stacked against them for their entire undesirable, openly mocked, and impoverished lives.


But missing the point just to disagree with it is apparently your point.

*where they said it wouldn't last a week. a month. the winter...

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 5:45 PM

someone throw a shoe at Patrick for me tonight

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 5:46 PM

"NYC public schools spend about $15k per year per student"

More like $20K. And when you factor in the high school graduation rates as well as the even more pathetic percentage who are able to finish college, the ROI from NYC schools is a crime against humanity. No wonder NYC can only survive by importing educated people from elsewhere.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 6:10 PM

"5:15 is the same guy as all the other posts, as if it even needs to be pointed out. He's getting increasingly cagey."

Nice try, Gomer.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 6:12 PM

6:10 is an asshole who watched Waiting for Superman, and now supports "privatizing" education through charter schools. Do you work for Bloomberg or are you just ignorant?

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 6:34 PM

Fuck you, 6:34. Is there any particular reason why someone who is so remarkably bad at it nonetheless keeps making assertions about anonymous people like a flailing jackass?

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 6:50 PM

A conservative is a stupid man's idea of a smart person.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 7:26 PM

"A conservative is a stupid man's idea of a smart person."

I suppose that this is how poorly educated people who have an inexplicably excessive self-regard formulate the assertion that conservatives are stupid. It's easier to just say that instead of making a witless word salad you know.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 7:41 PM

the left says the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, people are losing their homes, higher education has become both prohibitively expensive and essential to middle class income...

the right says "hippies are stupid"

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 7:44 PM

Well, hippies are stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 7:47 PM

You don't actually think that you're smart, do you 7:44?

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 7:51 PM

The Left/Right argument is more out dated the club Luxx.
Y'all that talk like that are simply retarded.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 8:00 PM

I'm gonna look fly in my new Teva's

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 8:03 PM

@ 7: 41

You really ought to think about writing speeches for sarah palin.
clearly you have a brilliant mind!

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 8:05 PM

I never expressed any enthusiasm for Sarah Palin, 8:05. I know that it puts a damper on your dimwitted assertion that all the comments here are by the same person, but it's a fact.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 8:12 PM

surely the vanguard of libertarian conservative thinkers lurk on a website called "Brooklyn Vegan"

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 9:37 PM

regular Fox News viewers score 18% lower on current events questionnaires than do people who watch no news at all...

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 9:40 PM

"regular Fox News viewers score 18% lower on current events questionnaires than do people who watch no news at all..."

Assuming you even read the study rather than passing it along from a left wing blog like a dutiful sheep, I believe what you meant to say is that in one snapshot poll New Jersey residents who named Fox as one of their news sources were 18% less likely to know that Egyptians overthrew their own government than people who watched no news at all.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:13 PM

10:13... and the extra qualifiers change what exactly?

Neat how you've gone from being "liberal" who thinks we should be angry with Obama... to a guy who's minimizing a study critical of Fox News. Kind of proves you'll claim any old thing to score debate points - except than more often than not you fall flat on your face in your arguments.

You are the worst kind of blowhard: a disingenuous, lying one.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:36 PM

@545 and @1148 should be a bv meme. i can just picture this guy writing mad poetry in his basement and crying while he screams for society's woes.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:46 PM

"@10:47 is just a dog underneath the king's table, who mistakenly believes the scraps of skin and bone he finds deposited on the floor to be served unto him by the waitstaff.

"Mistaking insolence for freedom has always been the hallmark of the slave."
- Wilhelm Reich" - Anonymous, 11:48 A.M.

Immortalize this post. Greatest thing I've ever read due to it's inane hipster jumble. I bet this guy has the awesomest mustache/glasses combo on the block.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:48 PM

You still think you're arguing with one person, don't you? You're kind of an embarrassment to your cause. I'd ask you to point out an example of my being disingenuous. Or an example of me lying. It'll be amusing to see how many times you fail miserably by pointing out something in another person's comments. You don't even have the self-awareness to recognize that you're a person of limited intelligence.

Maybe you're a public school teacher. I won't flat out assert something like that the way a small brained monkey like yourself would. It is just a guess, after all. But there's is something of the mediocre mind who gets to play the voice of authority to unformed young brains all day and then shuttles back to the faculty lounge to be with similar dummies in the way you both think and express yourself.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 10:49 PM

10:48 is a great example of the raw hatred of humanity you can find lurking right below the surface of any Ayn Rand acolyte.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 11:28 PM

I don't recall Ayn Rand acolytes killing 100 million of their own citizens in the previous century, 11:28. Nah. That was disgusting statist animals who think as you do. Own it.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 11:39 PM

yeah!! let's reference murderous episodes from history and say people who don't agree with us caused them!!

slavery!!
the inquisition!!
the decimation of the American Indians!!
Hiroshima/Nagasaki!!
Conquistadors!!
the Rwandan genocide!!
the Armenian genocide!!!

^^^ all of these things could be somehow pinned on the Right or the Left, on socialism or libertarianism, on big L liberalism or capitalism or Maoism or cubism --- if I felt like typing for hours and wasting my night. The moral of the story is... don't you have better shit to do with your time?

no simple ideology is going to solve society's problems. Your objectivism is just as ridiculous as the socialism it was conceived as a reaction to. Capital is power and we have to check it like we check the government's power.

Posted by Anonymous | November 21, 2011 11:59 PM

Well, see, I'm not an objectivist. I'm not even a libertarian on economic matters. The problem is that you're still too stupid to grasp the fact that you've been arguing with multiple people.

And sorry, but your little list is emblematic of how dense you are. While I couldn't stand either of her ponderous novels, you'd have to be quite the fool to detect from protagonists who in one instance fight for creative integrity and in the other go off on their own rather than subject themselves to the whims and desires of others that there is anything along the lines of conquest by force or subjugation in Rand's ideology.

Not only does your entire belief system have at it's core a hatred of humanity, but you still delusionally flatter yourselves that it's otherwise. You own your ideologically-driven dead. Deal with it.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 12:24 AM

All these people commenting about libertarians hatred of humanity: Do you really love humanity all that much? Do you feed the homeless, volunteer for the red cross in small African countries, adopt orphaned AIDS babies, donate money to programs for inner city kids, help build houses for katrina victims, etc. etc.???? What the fuck do YOU do for humanity?!

So quick to call out people for hating humanity, what makes you so sympathetic?

It's hilarious how ignorant the left leaning comments are. There is no dialog, only name calling. The "Conservative" commenters are the only ones making intelligent and informed comments.

I really don't think all these "Conservative" comments are one person. I think the fact is that young people are starting to smarten up as evidenced by the poor turnout of normal functioning adults at these OWS protests.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 4:08 AM

I don't hate humanity but I do hate Patrick's pathetic self important rant.

What a fucking jackass. Your dad was successful so you feel the need to stick up for the rights of other people to be successful with your shitty ass indie rock?

"I belong to the...CODDLED generation and I can take it or leave it each time!"

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 4:18 AM

Aerials in the sky
When you lose small mind
You free your life

Life is a waterfall
We drink from the river
Then we turn around and put up our walls

Swimming through the void
We hear the word
We lose ourselves but we find it all

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 4:52 AM

Hitler had far more in common with the modern American Democrat party than their conservative foils.

Sorry bitches, but the truth hurts.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 7:55 AM

fuck all you people last night was fucking beautiful, patrick is entitled to his feelings and opinions as much as the next person, so you people neet to calm the actual fuck down and stop hatin and start lovin'

Posted by jdoggy | November 22, 2011 8:25 AM

"you people neet to calm the actual fuck down"

- jdoggy, 11/22/11

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 8:46 AM

The lone right winger is too thin skinned for his own good

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 9:17 AM

"The "Conservative" commenters are the only ones making intelligent and informed comments."

Ha, ha, ha.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 9:23 AM

the conservative commenter"s"

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 9:36 AM

If you really think there is only one "right winger" commenting on BV, you really are pretty self-deluded and you are in for a jarring and terrifying time about one year from now. Every single historic poll has shown that this country is center-right, and every single respectable recent poll has shown the current president and his administration (including his Senate) to have approval ratings lower than Carter's during the energy crisis / Iranian hostage drama.

You need to wake the fuck up or risk getting trampled down by history.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 9:41 AM

well, even an Ayn Rand troll should be upset about the way that reporters and the press have been targeted and squashed and by the Bloomberg administration during this Occupy episode, and by the seizure and destruction of private property during the needlessly violent Zuccotti Park raid.

but instead, this dude wants to declare anyone and everyone sympathetic to this cause as "entitled" trustfund hacky sackers and point and laugh.

I suppose the irony of a someone who celebrates class advantages and thinks the rich deserve their riches complaining about "entitlement" is lost on this guy.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 9:50 AM

there is only one right winger commenting on Brooklyn Vegan.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 9:54 AM

9:54 really needs to up the dosage on his meds.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 10:07 AM

Us at OWS just love love love John Corzine. He is 1% but he gets it. You haters should leave him alone as well.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 10:16 AM

"well, even an Ayn Rand troll..."

What are your ten favorite albums of all time? Favorite bands? I'm just curious, seeing as how this is an indie rock blog and you so mindlessly suggest that anyone who vehemently disagrees with you politically is a troll.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 10:19 AM

this thread is awesome

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 10:46 AM

OWS = same old liberal hippie bullshit
I am ashamed of you, Ted Leo

Posted by Gene Simmons | November 22, 2011 11:13 AM

If you believe that the status quo economic order is inherently just and that there is an intrinsic righteousness for every person to hold onto the property they have at this moment as a natural right... then you are no better than a Calvinist, believing that God showers his favorites with earthly riches and power.

The obvious truth is that the majority of property is theft, there is no divine (or naturalistic) force distributing wealth to the worthy, and the laissez faire regressiveness you espouse conveniently benefits the most powerful. Libertarian economics is a scheme, meant to facilitate a world where an even playing field, and therefor competition and achievement, are inaccessible to all but the privileged few. There is no better example of this than in "objectivists"' extreme hostility to mandated public education.

If you want to imagine an unregulated and anarchistic society - look at history. In the Dark Ages, after the collapse of the Roman state, the strongest and most powerful dominated (read: the most effective thugs) and the rest of Western humanity toiled in serfdom. You can see the same today in the Warlords and tribal strongmen of Afghanistan, or Somalia.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 12:00 PM

cocaine is a good example of an unregulated industry - and look how a great a job the free market has done keeping quality high! I haven't seen coke laced with drain cleaner since, well the last time I did coke... and every other time.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 12:10 PM

wow 12:00, that is some verbose, trite bullshit.

i hope you're getting paid for these ridiculous, desperate comments.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 12:14 PM

hey 1214. your post yesterday at 4:05 was about 3 times as long... and it was one of a bunch of hurt, pouty, oozing-with-anger diary enties you hammered off here in your undies between judge joe brown episodes and wacking off to teeny porn

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 12:20 PM

if you want to build cities
you've got to build roads

Posted by Cake | November 22, 2011 12:27 PM

You're All a Bunch of F*cking Slaves!

Posted by Jim Morrison | November 22, 2011 12:35 PM

hey 12:20, this is 12:14. not sure what you're talking about with regard to another comment from yesterday, as the one you're commenting on today was my first post in this thread, but you go with your bad self. sounds like you've got it all figured out.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 12:36 PM

I can't wait until the New Civil War happens in real life. The BV version is so fucking boring. Especially all of the sad masturbator conservatives posting at 5am, and then waking up and posting some more. Hey assholes, maybe if you werent so busy pissing on humanity, you might get a girlfriend. Protip.

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 12:41 PM

guys plural? nope

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 12:43 PM

love that the investment bankers get up at 4am to troll BV before they head downtown to their shitty jobs

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 12:51 PM

these guys are only investment bankers in their dreams

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 12:56 PM

in his dreams he is a crowd of investment bankers, with a lot of time on their hands to dick around on the internet

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 1:21 PM

Protect your freedoms!

Ron Paul 2012!

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 1:56 PM

i see dumb people

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 2:00 PM

We are all struggling over a smaller and smaller share of a bigger and bigger pie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8uf-ZXLABE&NR=1

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 2:16 PM

ummm....so how was the show?

Posted by Anonymous | November 22, 2011 5:55 PM

I'd rather have sweaty goat sex than ever read this thread again. #OccupyMyToiletHippies

Posted by Anonymous | November 23, 2011 7:53 AM

ted leo so amazing

Posted by jordon | August 11, 2013 4:27 PM

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