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Isreal Lawrence of ex-Man Is The Bastard fame is in contact with Akron/Family regarding the logo issue and is writing about it publicly in a MiTB open group on Facebook. Though Akron/Family has thus far chose to not make a public statement, in a note to Lawrence, A/F bassist Miles admits that his band "clearly 'stole'" the logo as well as the Crass circle, but that it was a tribute (which Lawrence admits did occur to him). Lawrence seems to understand, but suggests Akron/Family stop avoiding the issue publicly. Read it all below.

In possibly more important news, The Bastard Noise have shared a split with Actuary, one of a few Pro-Noise releases currently available at their bandcamp. Stream that below and download them for free at their site.

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Israel Lawrence writes:

i'm currently in communication with the bassist of Akron/Family over this whole logo thing. i'm gonna repost the messages he just sent to me: "My name is miles, I'm the member of Akron/Family who decided to lift the MITB skull and I take responsibility for it. I saw MITB at 16 years old and it changed how I heard and played music and made me want to play bass (which I have ever since) it was an honest tribute. As you can see I/we clearly "stole" the crass circle as well: I didn't contact anyone to ask permission. We weren't trying to "steal" your logo. And we're never planning on long term use. When i used to make zines or flyers or shirts for my first band it everyone used everything ones. Influences were clear. Anyway I would be happy to talk about this In a non public format to come to an understanding and apologize publicly. To you and all others involved. Just in interest of actually repairing the situation. It was an innocent gesture and honestly meant as a tribute and I stand by it artistically. The economy of images is clearly not innocent in culture and Im not oblivious to that either. I am happy to address all of this with you, and come to an understanding of how to deal with it. Like i said - the use was tied to the inspiration I felt when making a particular aspect of our music. It's never been about Trying to use the skull forever. It's an honest artistic nod to music / imagery I grew up with ."
Isreal Lawrence followed up with:
my response: "Well im certainly happy to hear that it was coming from that direction. Look I get it, I really do. I'm totally into reference and homage, I love the underground nods. I've been thinking about this all morning and I'm all for free use and everything, and I tend to be of the opinion that coyright is bullshit...but you got understand that this just hit all of us out of the blue. With no warning or communication you have something that is very personal to all of us plastered all over several items you have for sale. I even stood back for a few minutes and wondered to myself: "they couldn't really just co-opt something so recognizable and expect this to pass could they? This has to be a nod, right?"

But honestly man it seemed so out of context, and MITB is/was a very niche thing...I'm far from convinced that the bulk of your audience would even pick up on it. So yeah, in light of that I came to the conclusion that you were pulling a fast one.
Regardless, it aint just me you have to convince. Wood (Bastard Noise) is already on a rampage and the shit has hit Brooklyn Vegan for starters.

strange footnote: ole Miles is pretty insistent on speaking in a non public forum, and with them disabling comments on their collective net pages i can't come to any other conclusion than they are already hunkering down in the bunker in anticipation of some imagined legal action

Isreal Lawrence then posted another response from Miles:
Thanks for writing. I totally understand that this is very personal to you and that this is totally out of the blue to you. I appreciate as well that your coming to find it on items for sale must've felt confusing and shitty. and I'm really sorry about that.

I appreciate your position - I'm completely for free use. We encourage the taping and free distribution of our live shows. The first use of this was for the digital "artwork" we used when leaking fucked up / blown out versions of our record onto the internet as an art prank. have to be really honest that I didn't know that bastard noise was still in operation until after we'd already used it, and at that point I should have made contact, but it was as I said meant to be an homage and an homage that I wouldn't be upset about if someone made to us.

Anyway I can tell that Eric Wood is really upset about this.. I hope we can figure something out. I'm honestly most bummed about pissing off folks that really inspired me. Do you have any advice on how to proceed?

Thank you very much again for writing and for the music in the first place.

Miles

And Isreal's return
I think the conflict arose Miles in that the reference was pretty vague. It may have seemed pretty obvious to you...but I was initially giving you all the benefit of the doubt in the first minutes I perused your website, and it seemed so out-of-context as I mentioned that I really did come to the conclusion that you just swiped the imagery. Many folks have made reference to our artwork in the past and I personally think its very flattering...but those references were extremely obvious, arose in a circle of people that would easily get the nod, and not used on a bunch of merch posted in an online store.

Unfortunately Wood has quite a temper, and has a 'shoot first, ask questions later' sort of personality. I tend to be a little more level-headed. I think the man needs to work on controlling his mouth, but I don't blame him for being irritated...I was highly irritated. So, ok...we are now in a spot where you and I can agree it was just a misunderstanding. I think a public statement on the outlets available to you would go a long way in calming the situation. Keeping mum on the subject, disabling comments on your Facebook or whatever just makes it look like you are ducking the issue. As far as I'm concerned this isn't about ownership or something stupid like legal action...it was simply a matter of respect.

I'm feeling that your words are authentic, in my mind if you just tell everyone where you were coming from it's issue over.

UPDATE: Miles of Akron/Family has responded.
Miles here, and i just want to say clearly that the use of the man is the bastard / bastard noise skull was meant to be a reverent homage to music / art that profound impact on me. And though it's likely that most of the people who listen to our music likely won't know the origin of the image, it's use was far away from "theft" to me. i'm very disheartened that this has been interpreted as a lack of respect. again, it's quite the contrary.

I saw Man is the Bastard in 1995 at the velvet elvis in seattle. having been writing songs and singing in a fairly straight ahead hardcore band in seattle
at the time and being 16 - i was not prepared. I had never seen aggressive music played with such disregard for the bounds of genre. the reinvention of bass playing happening on the spot, the references to jazz drumming { (tony williams) strifetime }, the wall of synth brutality, even how everyone looked so different (not all in one "punk" uniform) totally blew my mind. When i approached the bass a year or so later it was with that inspiration that i started to try to define my own style. I could go on and on about it, but i feel like this says what i mean. I'm not very interested in responding individually to all of the comments here, and to be honest, when i disengage a little from my own temper, i am inspired anew by the passionate and heated responses to this situation, so thanks for that!

-Miles

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Comments (57)

A total non-issue

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 12:19 PM

white hippie problems.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 12:20 PM

YANN IS THE BASTARD

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 12:32 PM

Eat shit, Akron/Family.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 12:33 PM

sounds good.

i think wood kind of overreacted but hey.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 12:35 PM

"A total non-issue."


Yep. By a bunch of unknowns to boot.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 1:02 PM

BLOATED SUBHUMANS

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 1:05 PM


Thanks for the double post on the gossip of an indie/metal logo dispute.

Did you guys even know that Akron/Family played a crazy show this weekend at 285 Kent?

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 1:05 PM

LOL white people
In the words of Tim Dogg "Come to New York / We'll see who gets robbed"

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 1:15 PM

Akron/Family = one chord wonders

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 1:15 PM

FUCKING CHEESE STRING INCIDENT WANNABES EAT SHIT IN HELL THIEVES

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 1:21 PM

this is so stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 1:23 PM

Unknown to you because you're a fucking square who likes Akron/Family. You're probably wearing a pork pie hat right now.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 1:29 PM

while i admit that this little soap opera doesnt mean a goddamn thing in the macro, it's only a non-issue when it isn't your ryhmes you perceive as being bit...and used to stock your store

Posted by Isreal Lawrence | January 24, 2012 1:31 PM

This is smart marketing on the part of the whinny little bitch.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 1:46 PM

MITB folks have a right to protect their logo, A/F had no right to appropriate and profit from it.

Posted by fabrec | January 24, 2012 2:06 PM

The hummus bandit is the real issue here.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 2:09 PM

7.5+12:01=lambofgod

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 2:27 PM

So stooopid

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 2:28 PM

"I went to a library, found the skull in some medical journal, flipped it, made all the fonts super bold and brutal, and that was it" -Eric Wood. So Akron Family is getting shit for stealing something that was already stolen.

Posted by WHAT | January 24, 2012 2:29 PM

1:29 wins the comment wars! LOLZ.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 2:33 PM

MITB fans aren't taking this lightly. Check Akron/Family's wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron/Family

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 2:37 PM

@ 2:37...that is hilarious.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 2:39 PM

"A screwdriver in the urethra of Brooklyn."

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 2:42 PM

^
Ladies and Germs, we have a winnah!

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 2:50 PM

MITB are very much like their favorite band, douchebags with too much time on their hands and no sense of perspective. Or they're just mentally ill.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 2:58 PM

Watch out Woods, Woodsman, Woods of Ypres, The Wood Brothers, Ron Wood, MMW, and the estate of Woody Guthrie....Eric is comin' for ya AND HE'S PISSED!!

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 2:58 PM

Eric Woods makes a pretty good hummus, but those Akron folk make an amazing one.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 3:01 PM

Hypocrites

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 3:26 PM

Two goobers getting into a slap fight because one of them thinks he invented the letter X and the other once do'ent thank so

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 3:29 PM

What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom?
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice?

Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had?
Would you think about all them War Vets
And would you start to feel bad?

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty in' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom?
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little ?
'Cause the only reason that you're here
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a hefty in' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 3:30 PM

Stop quoting Lagwagon and move on already!

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 3:36 PM

1:29: How do you know? People on here don't have psychic powers. So I ask you again, how do you know what people listen to or like, you mongoloid?

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 3:50 PM

I love AkAk & grew up adoring punk/Hardcore. I saw these guys in the mid 80's @ the Metroplex in Atlanta. I totally got the artistic reference & realized both symbols as homage to old punk rock/Core. I found it amazing that a psych-rock band like Akron/Family actually had roots in this genre. It made me love them even more & then I searched out some of the old hardcore that I loved growing up. I got alot out of this issue. Sorry everyone else feels the need to cry like little bit*hes about it. Just broaden your horizons & you'll know next time something like this happens.

Posted by Shockadow | January 24, 2012 3:53 PM

Akron/FaMEHly

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 3:53 PM

3:50- I know because I DO have psychic powers! I know you're getting bent out of shape because you have a pork pie hat and there are probably pictures of you with it on and now in 10 years when people see the picture they'll say "Oh my god! You were one of those bandwagon hopping dildos who wore one of those hats! Were you in a frat? You probably liked Akron Family too! Ha ha ha! Dakota, grab Josh and tell him to come look at these pictures!" It hurts so much because it's true, sorry.

Posted by 1:29 | January 24, 2012 4:34 PM

shockadaw is a hippie cokcsucker.

Posted by VLV | January 24, 2012 5:14 PM

VLV helping confirm that punks never quite grow out of the adolescent phase.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 6:59 PM

3:53
Man Is the Bastard wasn't a band in the mid-80s.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 7:14 PM

Pork Pie Hats Are The Bastard

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 7:18 PM

eternal war against the dicks is all we can respect

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 8:02 PM

Akron are the bastards.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 8:19 PM

"Yeah, we understand it's a tribute, we really do. That's why we've been bombing your Facebook all day, because we're assholes."

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 8:58 PM

Ted Leo needs to intervene and squash the beef. Self destruction, we're headed for self destruction.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 9:04 PM

We need to get Akron and Mr Wood together and talk this over like adults over some Pinot Noir and a hummus platter.

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 9:18 PM

STOP THE VIOLENCE! WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME GANG!

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 10:40 PM

Yo fuck MITB. East Syde!

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 11:19 PM

fuck pitchfork and brooklyn vegan for even "printing" this shit! i guess i read it like everyone else because everyone loves feuds and drama, but seriously! MITB didn't even create the logo, right? they stole it from a textbook? even if they did create it, who gives a fuck about any of this?

Posted by Anonymous | January 24, 2012 11:57 PM

Akron still suck mule dicks no matter what shirt they make.

Posted by Anonymous | January 25, 2012 9:15 AM

FUCK YOUR HUMMUS

Posted by the hummus bandit | January 25, 2012 8:29 PM

GIVE US GOURMET PEZ

Posted by the hummus bandit | January 25, 2012 8:32 PM

Looks like Akron/Family are gonna fight back with even more thievery as revenge...this cover was leaked on wikipedia but they took it down now..... http://i41.tinypic.com/c4w04.jpg fucking assholes....

Posted by Jay | January 26, 2012 6:10 PM

Good Work! Were you in a frat? You probably liked Akron Family too! thanks!

Posted by Im├│veis | May 17, 2012 10:01 PM

Bastard Noise = wannabe power electronics

Posted by Matt | September 28, 2012 11:02 AM

is a genius when it comes down! I love it!

Posted by Acompanhantes Campinas | April 22, 2013 9:49 PM

wow this is great

Posted by jordon | August 7, 2013 2:36 PM

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