Posted in music on January 20, 2012

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In the Opinion Pages of the NY Times today, Albert A. Foer, "a lawyer formerly with the Federal Trade Commission [who] is president of the American Antitrust Institute," writes that:

AT this moment, all over the United States, consumers are buying tickets to games, concerts and other live events under the impression that they have the right to give away, donate or resell the tickets they purchase. They assume that they can do so whenever and with whomever they wish and (as long as they don't violate the few remaining laws against scalping) at whatever price they choose.

But those consumers may be mistaken. In recent years ticket sellers, along with promoters, producers, artists and sports teams, have increasingly taken a new approach to selling tickets. This approach, marketed in the name of innovation, convenience and protecting purchasers, restricts those fundamental freedoms long rightly taken for granted.

The practice is so-called paperless ticketing...

Read the whole article at the NY Times, including the part where he admits that "The American Antitrust Institute, of which I am president, received a modest contribution, in the form of sponsorship of a conference last year, from an advocacy group financed in part by StubHub."

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Comments (62)

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RON PAUL 2012

Posted by Billy | January 20, 2012 10:58 AM

i'm interested in what BV commenters think about this issue. do y'all prefer paperless tickets?

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:00 AM

RON PAUL

2012

Posted by bILLY | January 20, 2012 11:01 AM

Scalping as a "fundamental freedom". People will say anything if paid enough money.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:01 AM

I am going to scalp the sht out of the Roger Water tickets!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:02 AM

If it wasn't for scalping I wouldn't have got into some of the best shows of my life.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:02 AM

i prefer being able to download and print your ticket sent in an email instead of this

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:03 AM

If you learn to wait til close to the last minute, most tickets on StubHub go back pretty close to FACE value when the seller realizes they can't sell them for inflated prices

Posted by JUST A TIP | January 20, 2012 11:05 AM

"Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day." - Ron Paul

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:05 AM

"But in reality, the restrictions represent an effort to control the secondary-ticketing market and stifle competition from independent resellers and resale marketplaces like StubHub, where tickets are often sold for LESS than face value."

Wtf?? Is that a typo? What a crock of shit.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:05 AM

"The conclusion: restrictive paperless-ticket practices depart from bedrock market principles by unjustifiably limiting consumer choice and suppressing free competition. They also might violate federal and state antitrust and consumer-protection laws. And they may warrant legislation to protect the market and consumers."

This is absolutely hilarious. Talk about paid commentary, for fuck's sake. The whole ticketing complex is so fucking dirty and corrupt, it's like the tobacco industy at this point. Jesus H. Christ!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:09 AM

More importantly, did anyone notice how ashy the dude's hand is in that photo?

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:11 AM

Albert A. Foer is obviously not an LCD fan.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:17 AM

ASHY LARRY, MARCY PROJECTS. WHAT.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:20 AM

i scalp erryday and even i'm laughing at this 'right to scalp' bullshit.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:21 AM

The "right to scalp" is pretty ridiculous, but the fact that people think they're safer in the hands of enormous corporations than dealing with the occasional scalper proves how fucking most Americans are.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:27 AM

Haha I thought that read The Onion Pages

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:29 AM

11:27, I agree. Most Americans are definitely fucking.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:35 AM

Honestly, scalping isn't a big deal. If it wasn't for scalpers, once a show sold out, you would not be able to get tickets. Sure, you might luck out and find a guy who had conflicting plans and had to give up his tickets, but otherwise sold out would more or less mean 'sold out,' as in 'you're never going to get into this show because no more tickets are available.'

majority of the time scalpers inaccurately gauge demand and end up unloading a bulk of tickets the day-of-show for face value or less. you just need to learn how to think logically and play the game alongside them; don't let your emotions lure you into paying 10x face for a ticket.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:36 AM

I love a good ticket dump on stub hub! Got some great deals over time...I will also get a $10 Roger Water ticket hours before the show! Thanks scalpers1

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:41 AM

11:05 (2nd)...In defense of Ron Paul, Martin Luther King was a scumbag. There are way cooler Black leaders to praise, rather than that low life.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:56 AM

The idea that nobody could disagree with you unless they or their organization is being funded by self-interested parties is the most puerile kind of stupidity.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 11:59 AM

11:02, good luck with that. Front floors are going to be hard to come by and way too expensive to make a good enough profit. The crappy seats will in overabundance, because too many people will think exactly like you and buy up t1ckets solely for the purpose of reselling.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:36 PM

In addition to what I just said in 12:36, Roger Waters just oversaturated the market at the end of 2010, by playing like 15 area shows.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:38 PM

I have no problem with people scalping. What I do have a problem with, is when brokers have an unfair advantage by having an "in" with someone on the inside (promoter, agent, venue, artist/management), or when they use bots that the general public has no access to.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:41 PM

11:41, I'll be right there with you. Looking forward to $10 seats outside the venue the night of.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:47 PM

^I even think you will be able to get them in advance on stub hub for that price..but outside will have a ton too!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:49 PM

In 2009, I bought 15th row for Paul McCartney at Citi Field for half price the night of. I also could have had my pick of crappy seats for $10, that were in abundance from desperate people trying to unload their tickets.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:49 PM

Agree with 12:41.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:52 PM

Well, China is going to own all of the Brazilian and Canadian oil because this fuckwad is vetoing the oil pipeline that we need for jobs, industry, and to keep inflation from collapsing our economy. And we're worried about concert ticks and their delivery.

Nothing to see here, sheep, move along.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:53 PM

Stevie Wonder's a musical genius

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:54 PM

12:53, this is a post about scalping, so naturally people will talk about... scalping. I'm with ya on the pipeline issue, but i'll discuss that on a political blog site.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:55 PM

Ya mother's got a wooden leg with a kickstand... Ya mother's got a mouth on the back of her neck..

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 12:57 PM

ron paul hate colored people

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 1:12 PM

11:56 please name some of the black leaders that are worthy of your praise.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 1:29 PM

Ron Pauls record shows he is the only one who is concerned with the problems of minorities. He is not a racist. Whatever y'all are idiots...

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 1:33 PM

"In defense of Ron Paul, Martin Luther King was a scumbag. There are way cooler Black leaders to praise, rather than that low life."

Wow. That's a first. Would LOVE to hear you substantiate those claims.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 1:40 PM

Ron Paul is a psychopath and his followers are delusional.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 1:44 PM

^this!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 1:47 PM

Ron Paul is just unconventional in his thinking. It's his followers that are psychopathic. They're almost as embarrassing as Obama worshipers leading up to the '08 election. Pure creepy and cultish stupidity.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 1:54 PM

1:29...Marcus Garvey was a way cooler Black leader. So was Malcolm X early on when he was with the NOI.

1:40...MLK was a communist, he was a plagiarist, he had a weak spot for White prostitutes, the list goes on... Maybe in todays society those things constitute a hero, but to me it makes you a scumbag. He set back the Black nationalist movement. Instead of preaching segregation and the truth about the devil, he promoted mixing and integrating with Yacub's children. I spit on his memory and any self respecting Black man would do the same.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:01 PM

What's worse than a "free market" for scalpers? A oligarchy or monopoly for scalping.

Ticket sellers (ticketmaster, sports teams, venues, etc.) don't really want to ban scalping- they want to be the sole beneficiary of it.

Witness Ticketmaster's Ticket Exchange, non-transferable (usually) VIP packages or their "official platinum seats" (which "scalp" tickets before they've been sold a first time).

(As mentioned, a real issue is making initial access to tickets onsales more fair)

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:02 PM

Every candidate as well as Obama is a pawn to the big banks and controlled by Lobbyists. The main stream media is trying everything to slander Ron Paul an his message because it is scary to those in power. (see the The trillion dollar military industrial complex, the war on drugs, big pharm, etc.)
Open your eyes... You are being brainwashed by propaganda. RON PAUL 2012!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:29 PM

I can't quite tell if this particular Ron Paul supporter is a parody or not. It isn't that he sounds any different than the rest of them, it's just that it's so easy to mimic the spell that they're under.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:35 PM

2:29 Here is a slight change to what you said ...You are being brainwashed by RON PAUL 2012!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:38 PM

Rock Chalk

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:39 PM

It's not brainwashing... It's called facts.
Look at Newt/Romney/Obama and see how they have done nothing to restore this country and simply pander to big banks. Then look at Ron Pauls voting record and his stances and then you will see who is being brainwashed you dummy. RON PAUL 2012!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:44 PM

You're brainwashed if you think Ron Paul is any different than these fools. Doesn't matter what he is for or against nothing will get accomplished in Washington with congress etc. Keep dreaming though MICKEY MOUSES 2012!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:50 PM

2:44 I can't believe Ron Paul stoops so low to have paid shills come on BV to post! Yikes what is the world coming too!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:54 PM

Just because you are a loose cannon on a ship does not make you a viable alternative to the guy with the hand in your pocket.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:55 PM

If Ron Paul were President, he'd be as powerless as Obama; Congress would not pass a fraction of the radical things he wants to do. I'm glad for his ideas though; he has people thinking, which is good for a change.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:56 PM

We need a president with big tits! I don't mean fat sloppy boobs or implants either. Large, firm beautiful tits.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 2:56 PM

I think Ron Paul is genuinely honest, as opposed to the painted smiles everybody else has.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 3:01 PM

All hail President Tits!

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 3:02 PM

Ok, enough about Ron Paul.
Scalping - paperless t1ckets is a bad idea. Bad for the consumer, because you must attend the show; you can't buy tickets for your kids or as a gift for someone else, without attending too. Also, in the end it's ok for people to buy up tickets and resell them. In the end, speculators typically tend to overbuy, and end up selling them for less than face anyway.
What needs to be addressed, is the fairness of distribution. Find a better way to prevent bots, and create transparency via t1cket system audits so that t1cket holds by the venue/agent/promoter/artist are not holding too many seats.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 3:05 PM

That picture, or the implication it raises, is racist.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 4:14 PM

ron paul scalps tickets on craigslist

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 5:28 PM

Yeah, I do have a right to my 84K salary last year scalping tickets. Don't I?

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 5:32 PM

in addition to numerous infidelities, mlk was also homophobic.

Posted by Anonymous | January 20, 2012 7:17 PM

The big banks and controlled by Lobbyists. The main stream media is trying everything to slander Ron Paul an his message because it is scary to those in power. Thanks for Sharing !

Posted by Aeronaves | January 20, 2012 9:30 PM

Why doesn't BV just create a post directly about Ron Paul?

Posted by Anonymous | January 21, 2012 9:15 AM

interesting.

Posted by jordon | August 7, 2013 7:29 PM

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