Posted in music on February 23, 2012

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I'm as alarmed as you are that there are currently over 150 alleged Fiona Apple tickets on Stubhub already (over 25% of what was sold today in the presale). That said, there's always the general sale on Friday.

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Comments (122)

Wow. You would think that this only happens to concert that people actually wanted to see.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:19 PM

there's a warm place in hell for the scalpers. what a bunch of TURDS.

Posted by meh! | February 23, 2012 12:22 PM

Why don't you ask Bowery Presents to provide you with how many were held for guest list, how many were put directly on the re-sell market, how many were sold during the pre-sale and how many will be on sale tomorrow?

Oh wait, I'm sorry, I forgot that simple questions like that are impossible to get answers to in the concert industry for fear of promoters/artists looking greedy.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:22 PM

Many of the scalpers don't actually have them. A lot of the tickets are posted for sale on speculation they will be able to acquire them tomorrow or at some other point before the show.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:23 PM

People still wanting to see Fiona Apple in 2012 are _________ (insert here).

Thank you.

ps Can't wait for Sigur Ros/Radiohead/Aphex Twin dates this year!

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:24 PM

At least 60 or so tickets for each show were listed yesterday before any tickets went on sale.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:24 PM

i want those front row bowery seats!

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:26 PM

12:24 yes that is the speculative scalping when they list the tickets before they are even on sale. They are listing them for sale even before they have them. If they can't get them and they sell on StubHub, then StubHub will find other tickets or refund the buyer.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:26 PM

=======D - -- who cares?

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:27 PM

Yeah. Who cares. I got my 4 and promptly sold them and made a quick $300. hey, thanks for posting the password again BV.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:29 PM

The solution relies on pure capitalism: do not purchase from scalpers.

Unless the price is well below face, do not give them a cent of your money. Just stop using scalpers.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:32 PM

The amount of haters on this site is RIDICULOUS!! Take your bad attitudes elsewhere!

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:32 PM

Oh weird, there's some sketchy business involving scalpers and a Bowery Presents event.

That never happens.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:36 PM

(continued) that Bowery Presents has perfected the art of withholding already-booked dates to create false demand & sell-out shows. You think those 5 Terminal 5 LCD nights weren't already booked before the MSG fiasco? (they were going to be the warmup shows) You think all 6 of those National Beacon Theater dates weren't lined up before the first four sold out? You don't think Fiona Apple is probably going to have shows added, riding on the hype this just created?

Keep telling yourselves "no matter what we do, at least we're not Live Nation"

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:37 PM

Why are you surprised, BV? It happens all the time and it could all have been avoided if the show was WILL CALL ONLY.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:39 PM

a small microscopic look at your life.
No one gives a shit and is going to stop the madeness as long as THEY ( whoever the f*ck that is) can make a profit..I'll take a guess and say someone in power has their hand in the mix. Fan for fan sake is at the bottom of the barrel.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:41 PM

12:23 is spot on. Scalpers are posting tickets they don't have at ridiculous prices, speculating that if someone is stupid enough to buy them at the high price they will be able to find cheaper tickets later on to fill the sale, even if they have to buy from scalpers themselves. The only tickets on stubhub that the scalper has definitely already bought are the ones available for instant download.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:41 PM

Every show Bowery Presents that isn't paperless is INVITING SCALPERS

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:42 PM

Keep in mind...a lot of stub hub tickets wind up being fake anyways. Or a scalper gets one actual e-ticket and then prints a bunch of them out to sell. Do not buy from these clowns

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:43 PM

"Bowery Presents has perfected the art of withholding already-booked dates to create false demand & sell-out shows"

Every promoter does this and have done so for years. Ever look at a band's schedule and notice empty dates around show in big cities? That is when the others shows will be.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:44 PM

who?

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:44 PM

"A lot of stub hub tickets wind up being fake."

Love it when ABSOLUTE MORONS just type in nonsense to a comment box with nothing to base it on. So Stubhub, which has been around and thriving for a decade, constantly sells fake/duplicate tickets to customers.

Kill yourself, idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:51 PM

I for one am glad there is scalping. I believe scalping is a legitimate way to make money. Why shouldn't they jack up the price? If people are stupid enough to pay for them, that is their prerogative. The market should correct itself via supply and demand.

If you, as a consumer, do not have enough money to purchase a ticket at the going rate, that is your own fault for not making enough money to do so. You are weaker than those who make more, plain and simple.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:51 PM

Fiona Apple, you know 12:44, the girl who won a grammy at 19 unlike you and everyone else bad talking Fiona

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:51 PM

@12:43 I use stubhub every once in a while (as do most of my friends) and have never had a problem. Buying etickets from stubhub right before a gig works great, usually you can get face or below as they are desparate to get rid of the tix.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:52 PM

Furthermore, the ranting and raving about denying "real" fans the opportunity to see any given artist is ridiculous. What makes you a "real" fan anyway? Isn't anyone who has any appreciation for anyone else's product a fan of said product?

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:52 PM

Anyone who denies a scalper's right to sell tickets is anti-capitalism and anti-American. This country was founded on the principle that people are allowed to do what they want - i.e. sell a product for however much they want. If they cannot afford to produce the product any long given that people wont buy it at its current price, they will lower the price or jump ship.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:54 PM

pretty sure she'll be at the Governors Ball in June.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:54 PM

And people were wondering yesterday why there was so much interest in Kraftwerk; who the hell cares about Fiona Apple in 2012???

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:55 PM

stub hub sells fake shit all the time. if you get fucked over you get refunded, but trust, using stub hub is no guarentee not by a fucking long shot

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:59 PM

They're not called scalpers, people. They're called ticket brokers. I'm appalled at all the unfair name calling that these victims are subjected to for the legitimate services they provide. Shame on you.

Posted by Louie | February 23, 2012 1:03 PM

Listen, I think we can all agree that 12:51 (2nd post) is a cunt.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:09 PM

@12:54 Why do you think that?

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:11 PM

Why, 1:09? Why am I a...? Because I believe in free market?

Why don't you move to China - they give everyone their fair share there.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:11 PM

the people who have the tickets on stubhub are not your little home-made scalper. They have inside connections and are basically handed the tickets.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:11 PM

Oh, the misinformation!

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:14 PM

@1:09 "If you, as a consumer, do not have enough money to purchase a ticket at the going rate, that is your own fault for not making enough money to do so. You are weaker than those who make more, plain and simple."

Good to know that it's poor people's fault that they're poor. Thanks for clearing that up, Gov. Romney.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:16 PM

BOWERY PRESENTS

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:16 PM

Or rather @1:11

Point still stands

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:17 PM

12:29 - you sold nothing, you made nothing.

you are nothing.

but maybe your imaginary money will keep you company at night; no self-respecting human being would.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:18 PM

Don't buy 'em for more than face and they can't sell em for more than face, you dummies.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:20 PM

Why doesn't Fuck Schummer actually do something for us (besides holding press conferences on slow-news Sundays just to get his name in the news) and put some investigators on this? Of course he won't, because he's a corrupt tool and this wouldn't benefit his pocketbook for the next election cycle.

The federal government does not like us.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:21 PM

saving money I was going to spend on these tix and saving it for triple letters for Pulp

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:24 PM

Oh yeah, it's the government's responsibility to make sure you can see Fiona Apple at a rate you consider reasonable. Good one, buddy. Government has bigger fish to fry than your worries about a stupid, meaningless concert.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:26 PM

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:51 PM

I for one am glad there is scalping. I believe scalping is a legitimate way to make money. Why shouldn't they jack up the price? If people are stupid enough to pay for them, that is their prerogative. The market should correct itself via supply and demand.

If you, as a consumer, do not have enough money to purchase a ticket at the going rate, that is your own fault for not making enough money to do so. You are weaker than those who make more, plain and simple."

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 12:54 PM

"Anyone who denies a scalper's right to sell tickets is anti-capitalism and anti-American. This country was founded on the principle that people are allowed to do what they want - i.e. sell a product for however much they want. If they cannot afford to produce the product any long given that people wont buy it at its current price, they will lower the price or jump ship."

i am anti-capitalist AND anti-american hegemony. bot no worries! after BAM's second term anjd the People's Socialist Republic of North America is established, scalpers will be second to line up agaionst the wall. SUV dealers will be first ;)


Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:27 PM

I am a native american hipster and am deeply offended by the racially charged term "scalper" to denote ticket resellers. In this day and age I sold hope that BV would not support the use of ethnic stereotyping. I do not resell tickets and don't know any other native americans that do so. Peace.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:27 PM

@1:27 - you're an idiot. Why do you even live here? Go move to a country where you're wanted.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:29 PM

since this is a "brooklyn vegan presents" show, wouldn't you have full access to this information via ticketmaster? it'd actually be super cool if a) you did have access to this information, and b) you could share it publicly on this site. it'd go a long way toward the same questions about this stuff that comes up very often that folks are otherwise extremely secretive about.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:30 PM

i am anti-capitalist AND anti-american hegemony. but no worries! after BAM's second term and the People's Socialist Republic of North America is established, scalpers will be second to line up against the wall. SUV dealers will be first ;)

CORRECTED TEXT

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:30 PM

@1:29 - I am 1:27 and my people were here long before yours so y dont u move back to the country your ancestors came from and give us back our land.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:34 PM

I think that somebody's been hitting the dick sauce purdy hard on his lunch break, amirite?

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:37 PM

What others have said, they don't have the tickets. Only ones that do are the ones with the green check for Instant Download.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:40 PM

@1:37" Nothing but net, behind the three point line no less

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 1:54 PM

I knew someone would work Jeremy Lin into this thread

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:05 PM

Often times when the shelves are empty I scalp cans of chickpeas outside of wholefoods for $5.00 a piece.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:13 PM

I've never bought any tickets from Stubhub or any other secondary upseller. I suggest you do the same. As said many times in this thread already, remove the demand and the supply will follow. There's just no way you can compete. These people have networks of computers flooding the system so that the lottery is rigged in their favor every time.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:16 PM

I am not against scalping or reselling tickets. I am against the unfair distribution of tickets. People on the "inside" (i.e. agents, promoters, the artist and their manager) should not be hoarding tickets, creating a false demand, and gouging the public.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:17 PM

Didn't Adele win a grammy at 19? Yup, she sucks too

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:18 PM

easy. people buy tickets, sell a few of them for over face (easy and anonymous - no more feelign guilty with craigslist meet ups) and go to the show for free.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:19 PM

^only way I can afford my extensive concert habit, hahahaha

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:23 PM

Getting tickets to an artist people actually care about (you know who I mean there's no need to repeat the list) should be VERY interesting.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:25 PM

1:40 - Anyone who shows a delivery date close to the show doesn't have the tickets. Aside from those with "instant delivery", if the delivery date is within the next week, then you know he has the tickets.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:34 PM

ppl are this worked up about fiona fing apple?

Posted by jesus | February 23, 2012 2:38 PM

Look! It's Jesus!

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:38 PM

No, Jesus. People are worked up because they were denied something, and because it all looks fishy.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:41 PM

The fact that you people think that all these comments from "scalpers" are real and true is absolutely hilarious. Lying trolls most of them but hey they get you enraged so good for them.

To the morons who claim that scalping is a fine and fair business and following the true spirit of capatalism,, you forget one important thing. Most scalpers, and i mean real scalpers, do not get their tickets fairly in the first place. Illegal bots and getting tickets pre-sold before they are even on sale is not a level playing field. Let them fight for tickets like everyone else legitimately and then let's see how that business holds up.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:46 PM

People are worked up because of Jeremy Lin and the New York Knickerbockers.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 2:48 PM

Pretty positive that Fiona Apple is playing The Governors Ball. They have one artist that is TBD and a friend of mine who works with festivals told me that.

Posted by Sara N | February 23, 2012 2:58 PM

2:46, I was 2:17 and I approve of your message.
There needs to be more transparency into ticket distribution (i.e. how many tickets are blocked/pulled from the system prior to the onsale). I don't think bots are as big of an issue as it used to be before Captcha was used, but now the people on the inside can use "bots" as a catch-all alibi to explain where the tickets went.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:08 PM

In the concert ticket industry, "bots" are the equivalent of "my dog ate my homework", when corrupt people who have access to tickets, sell them to the secondary market.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:10 PM

Viva the People's Socialist Republic of North America!!!

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:15 PM

Jeremy Lin vs. Miami Heat. Who you got?

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:17 PM

why should ticketmaster/bowery presents/etc be obligated to make it a fair transparent process?

nobody is forcing pplto go to the shows. further, they arent making any more money because of the secondary market.

Posted by jesus | February 23, 2012 3:20 PM

@Sarah N. I really hope you're right! I guessed that it could be her because the ????? ????? have the same # of ? as letters in her name...I wasn't sure if she's a music fest line up type though.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:20 PM

Lin > Lebron. Prove me wrong.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:29 PM

3:20 - But "they" are making more money from the secondary market, when they sell tickets under the table to brokers for an extra fee over face value.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:38 PM

Frohawk got 9 tickets.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:39 PM

3:29 - Need more time before I can agree with you on that. He's on a hot streak, but let's see if this is consistent for at least another year.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:39 PM

If you are looking for extras, go see Frohawk at Brooklyn Mac.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:42 PM

3:20, if promoters and the artist limit the supply even further than necessary by blocking off tickets, and then selling those tickets on the secondary market for double face value or more, this is price gouging. That's why there should be transparency.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:48 PM

"why should ticketmaster/bowery presents/etc be obligated to make it a fair transparent process?
nobody is forcing pplto go to the shows. further, they arent making any more money because of the secondary market."

Of course they are not obligated to make it fair. Then don't start giving me this bullshit about how scalping is a fair and legit business that stands behind the ideals of a capitalist society. You cannot have it both ways. Also as someone pointed out, you have to be a clueless idiot to think they are not making more money with the secondary market. The scalpers pay a premium to get those bulks of tickets before they go on sale.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 3:51 PM

3:51 you'd have to be a clueless idiot to speculate on what is entirely untrue. where did you get this info from? another clueless commenter?

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 4:06 PM

^ Lol read up little moron.There are plenty of very well placed and knowledgeable books and articles written about the practice of modern day ticket scalping.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 4:21 PM

4:06, it is a well-documented fact that artists, promoters, and anyone else with inside access to tickets dabble in the secondary market. This is no secret. It's unethical, but completely legal. There is a book written about it ("TicketMasters- The Rise of the Concert Industry and how the Public Got Scalped" by Dean Budnick). Trent Reznor has publicly spoken about this practice.
Methinks you're the one who is clueless.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 4:21 PM

No, you are clueless. You know nothing about how these shows were ticketed, you have no clue.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 4:24 PM

^ Either from a troll trying to bait or a scalper. Or they could just be an idiot. Would not be the first time on here.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 4:37 PM

think its a little silly to think that the venues/promoters are selling all the fiona apple tix to scalpers who are making less than 40-50 bucks per ticket before stubhub fees for a few hundred tix. Seems like a lot of trouble for what, a few thousand dollars max?

maybe with the best Bruce or Phish or Radiohead seats, but come on. Fiona Apple?

Whats next? The Natalie Inbruglia (sp) ticket conspiracy?

Posted by jesus | February 23, 2012 4:41 PM

last comment on the issue - i think its obvious that ppl are speculative scalping on stubhub, not that ppl actually got 18 tix or so in the presale. So only buy the instant downloads.

Posted by hector | February 23, 2012 4:43 PM

that adele song's hook is off itself.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 4:53 PM

I am pro scalper. For those who are complaining - you are in no way guaranteed a ticket. If you don't like the way the business runs, then don't buy tickets. That's all I can say. Otherwise, eff off. It's pretty simple, guys.

Unless you wanna front the money to distribute tickets in an idealistic way. Do it buddy! You're the best!

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 4:55 PM

Anyone else feel like the last 2-3 months have been absurd for trying to purchase tickets to events via the primary market?

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 4:58 PM

Remember the good ol' days when your only concern about getting a ticket was if the pimply faced teenager at Tower Records would pull tickets before they unlocked the doors to let u in to buy tix? Those were the days.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 5:00 PM

4:58 I know what you're talking about. It's insane lately. I literally can't imagine how on edge the scalpers are about the immanent Radiohead, Beck, etc. dates.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 5:18 PM

4:55 you are scum and an idiot. Hopefully the more people get screwed over by this and someone in power wakes up and throws this bullshit "it is simple capitalism" argument out the door then maybe this can be fixed and made fair.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 5:23 PM

personally not against scalpers, but why come on boards of disgruntled fans to brag about making money. just going to reduce people who are willing to pay above face.

must be trolls

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 5:35 PM

4x face nukkas. Haters can prove me wrong.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 5:38 PM

Linsanity > Adele > Joss Stone > Robyn > Fiona Apple's Criminal Video from the 90s > Fiona Apple.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 5:40 PM

@ 5:38 uhhhh tickets are $107 for music hall...stubhub takes 15% so $90 after commission....so $45 profit.

Not a bad profit but certainly not 4x

Posted by The Calculator | February 23, 2012 5:43 PM

4x face. Give it time. 4x face all day everyday.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 5:55 PM

I love watching people bitch about scalping. I wish I had popcorn.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 6:07 PM

Again, I'm all for scalping. Viva capitalism!
But when people on the inside are scalping their own tickets, that's when I have a problem. Reducing the amount of supply to virtually nothing, and then jacking up the prices is called "gouging".
I'm not saying that this is what's happening here for Fiona Apple (it's likely not in this particular case.. it is very realistic that it sold out in literally seconds) and that 90% of the people who put up StubHub listings are doing so on speculation), but it happens often enough to be a problem.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 6:42 PM

I'd love to let my juice loose on Fiona's face 4x. All day every day.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 6:49 PM

Apple sucks.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 7:03 PM

I wouldn't call that price gouging because live music isn't a necessity. It's shady, yeah, but more than anything it indicates that the initial pricing had nothing whatsoever to do with the marketplace.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 7:25 PM

I get what you're saying, 7:25, and I suppose that you're right that technically it's not gouging if the item is not a necessity. But for the few realllll diehard fans out there, they may consider it a necessity ("can't miss that "special" club show in Brooklyn! She hasn't been here in years!!"). Not me, I could give a rat's ass about Fiona, but I digress...
And people in general are stupid. When people are told that they can't have something, they want it more. So if you create an artificial demand by reducing the supply, all of a sudden people are willing to spend much more than they initially wanted to spend, because now they think it's the place to be.

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 7:42 PM

I got tickets for sale.


4xface@gmail.com

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2012 7:53 PM

4x face guy, i want to meet you.

Posted by 7x face guy | February 23, 2012 8:34 PM

Has anyone else ever found a "magic" ticketmaster link (one that sells tickets a few minutes before the public onsale)? I saw one pop up for the LCD MSG show and was able to buy 2 sets of floor seats about 7 minutes before the link went live on the tm page.

Is this some sort of friends, family and scalper link?

Posted by Anonymous | February 24, 2012 1:37 AM

137 the first rule of scalper club is you don't talk about scalper club.

Posted by scalper x | February 24, 2012 3:55 AM

BV cheesey

Posted by Anonymous | February 24, 2012 8:24 AM

cheese

Posted by Anonymous | February 24, 2012 9:16 AM

4:58, yes. It's like the Mayan calendar predicted the demise of relatively sane and easy ticket-buying in early 2012 as a warm up for the end of days later in the year. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out somebody found a new way to game the system sometime in December or thereabouts, because the change seems extreme.

Posted by Anonymous | February 24, 2012 10:16 AM

I4:58 & 10:16 - And that's why I'm saying that there should be more transparency into the system. Everyone's blaming "bots" (which of course could be partially true), but using bots as an alibi is also a convenient way for the folks on the inside to deflect questions regarding where the tickets are actually going.

Posted by Anonymous | February 24, 2012 11:31 AM

In the case of Fiona Apple and for Radi0head at R0seland, there's no question that the demand far outweighed the supply; given that TM handles about a thousand t1ckets per minute, it's perfectly reasonable that t1ckets would literally be gone in a few seconds.

Posted by Anonymous | February 24, 2012 11:36 AM

However, in the case of LCD or the Strokes at MSG, it seems odd that they would sell 0ut 16000 seats so fast, even when you factor in tickets given to industry folks, friends/family of the band, promo etc.

Posted by Anonymous | February 24, 2012 11:37 AM

in the future, please don't 'present' anything sold by ticketmaster. really. we need to sue them if anything, not support them.
fuckin waste of time this morning AGAIN.
bullshit!

Posted by franco | February 24, 2012 12:04 PM

That was insane... I was on right as it went up and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... this is a very cruel joke....

Posted by Brooklyn Mike | February 24, 2012 12:14 PM

People who rail against those who speculate on commodities of whatever kind are ignorant. Study up, Obamabots, and get a clue.

Posted by Anonymous | February 24, 2012 9:01 PM

Hey 12:59pm, I've purchased tickets through stub hub quite a few times and haven't had any trouble. Thought I was going to one time when it seemed like the seller hadn't sent the tickets on time, but they assured me that they guarantee a seat to the show of equal or closer position at no extra charge. Check their website, when you purchase tickets through them, you are 100% guaranteed to see that show in the seats you purchased or better seats.

Not trying to take any side in the fight over the morality of speculating on tickets in an open market, but wanted to clear up what is obviously false information being pushed on here against a company that has always done good business in my experience.

Posted by Anonymous | February 24, 2012 9:19 PM

All gone. All 4x face.

Posted by Anonymous | February 25, 2012 3:26 PM

That was insane... I was on right as it went up and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... this is a very cruel joke....

Posted by EzineArticles | March 1, 2012 2:36 AM

I know this post was resolved a while ago, but I work as a fraud analyst for a primary ticketing company and I was searching boards looking for some clues about groups of people who who would perhaps information on a group of scalpers, ticket brokers, resellers- whatever it is you want to call them. Just today I refunded 417 tickets to various events across North America, because they were purchased by a reseller- they were e- tickets that had been printed so they are probably already for sale, someone will buy them and the scalper got free money- they stole a credit card, bought tickets, and sold them to a chump. So just by the what some of you have referred to as participating in a free market-
*someone's identity was stolen
-that person had to spend a lot of time clearing that up with his bank or credit card company
-Visa had to to refund that money to the person's card, costing them money
-The primary ticketing company had to pay Visa the price of the transaction plus a fine plus a $25.00 chargeback fee
-The venue now has to reimburse the ticketing company and that is the end of the line because once the promoter is paid their share their is no recourse for the venue to regain their money.Some of these venue's are big, some small and they can sometimes be driven out of business when they get hit with $10,000 worth of chargebacks from one show.
So why is the economy in the shitter? Look at all that money and time that was spent on dealing with assholes trying to make a quick buck.
So because of this, I run fraud analysis and most of the time it is impossible to tell the difference between "legitimate" scalping orders and orders made using stolen Credit Cards.
Even the "legitimate" scalpers are sketchy and pay 1000's of people to sit in an office and flood a ticketing system during onsales.
People are always talking about bots. Bots simply snatch up tickets and make it look like it is sold out- the thousand or so employees at ticketresellersrus sit there and keep hitting refresh until they can grab tickets and purchase them- a bot can not enter credit card info.
Many of our venues have very strict terms and conditions and I go through every major show one person at a time checking their Proxy IP, Their Hidden IP, Their billing address, their email address, their, their phone number, their credit card, etc. and when I see that they have broken the ticket buying limits- I kill the orders with a song in my heart.
And the future is paperless ticketing and more and more artist are demanding it, because they too are sick of assholes making a quick buck off of their fans.

Posted by Anonymous | May 12, 2012 2:26 PM

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