Posted in music on May 3, 2012

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"The new version of his bill targets two areas of the secondary ticket market. First, it makes it a crime to use computer programs that circumvent online security procedures to allow brokers to snap up the best seats before ordinary fans have a chance. The bill also calls for the creation of a Justice Department task force to investigate these crimes.

When tickets for last night's concert -- Springsteen's first at The Rock -- went on sale in January, many Springsteen fans reported problems with the Ticketmaster website and said they were kicked off while a purchase was in progress. Later, Ticketmaster said it was attacked by these computer programs and that interrupted many fans' attempts to purchase seats.

In addition, the revised bill would establish protections for consumers using the increasingly popular "paperless tickets," which hamper the resale of tickets but also can inconvenience consumers. It would also require that a refund be made up to two weeks before the event and prohibits fees on the first transfer of the tickets." [NJ.com]

Last night's NJ setlist and more tour dates HERE.

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Comments (33)

YTINA.SNIL > Scalper Bots > Springsteen

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 1:54 AM

In related news, the North Williamsburg neighborhood committee passed the HUMMUS ACT.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 1:55 AM

I tried to get tickets to the legislative committee meeting, but the site was choked by ticketmaster's throngs of lobbyist zombies

Posted by Linsani D | May 3, 2012 2:21 AM

100X Face!

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 6:12 AM

FACE x ∞

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 7:15 AM

That bill sounds more like it's detoothing paperless tickets, which could actually stop scalpers.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 7:41 AM

Why not just make tickets more expensive when they first go on sale? Nobody buys music anymore, but they definitely spend on tickets to live shows. It's the last thing bands have any control over.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 9:00 AM

Scalp Wars - Episode II: The Rise Of The Bots

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 9:18 AM

"Why not just make tickets more expensive when they first go on sale? Nobody buys music anymore, but they definitely spend on tickets to live shows. It's the last thing bands have any control over."

yeah, you're right. you're a genius.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 9:43 AM

Wahhhhh!!!! Wahhhhhh!!!! since people pay high prices for these shows, scalpers run wild and buy as many tickets as possible....you are not going to stop scalping as long as there is demand for the tickets....

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 9:51 AM

9:51 is a scalper. Go open a vein, slug.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 9:59 AM

9:00, that is one of the most truly idiotic suggestions to ever be made. And the bands dont have control over the fees that Ticketmaster add, they only have control over the price it costs BEFORE the fees, which granted, many bands already take advantage of. How does raising the prices help at all?

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 10:04 AM

"9:00, that is one of the most truly idiotic suggestions to ever be made. And the bands dont have control over the fees that Ticketmaster add, they only have control over the price it costs BEFORE the fees, which granted, many bands already take advantage of. How does raising the prices help at all?"

Promoters and bands also get a cut of the fees. You pay a lot for a ticket = the band is demanding a lot of money upfront.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 10:11 AM

100,000+ a year scalper here.

It's a great profession. You should all look into it.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 10:14 AM

How about this - for premiere acts and big venues (about which 99% of the bitching comes from), why not have the venue sell the whole house to the band, and let the band control the sale and distribution of tickets? That will give rise to a band-controlled 3rd party org, which can react much more aggressively and nimbly to such things as scalp bots and such, putting preventative measure in place without the kickback economy that TM is clearly engaged in. Why not try it?

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 10:16 AM

I hope this Law passes.
Buying tickets has become such a scam and a hassle...
And you can't ever call in to buy tickets. They make you use the Internet, and that's kinda stupid too. I don't like using the Internet. With the exception of Brooklyn Vegan of course. :)

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 10:27 AM

last i checked scalping is NOT illegal...its a business like anything else...Don't want to have your shows bought out by scalpers? Simple solution, start listening to bands that aren't commercially popular...I bet 10:14 got a hard on when he saw leonard cohen is playing NYC...

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 10:34 AM

4xface allday everyday 24/7 nonstop relentless scalp life represent.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 10:43 AM

G-men can't stop the 4x face boyz

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 10:55 AM

Can't see nothin' in front of me
Can't see nothin' coming up behind
In the last row of this darkness
Can't hear nothing but an echoed cry
Lost track of how far I sit
How far I've stood, how high I've climbed
On my back is Izod's cold stone
Wish I'd waited on the will call line

Come on up for the scalping
Come way up, pay me half for mine
Come on up for the scalping
Come on up for the scalping tonight

Left the Garden this evening
Loud ringing filled my ears
30 beers, my expense account's reeling
No "Glory Days"?! What's going on here?

Come on up for the scalping
Come on up, paid four times face for mine
Come on up for the scalping
Come on up for the scalping tonight

Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie...

Posted by stringbean | May 3, 2012 11:05 AM

I buy and sell a lot of second market tickets (2/3 of which I use to attend the show, 1/3 of which I re-sell), and the "problem" of scalpers is wildly overblown. It really sucks for the big acts, but the big acts should be doing something proprietary, like Phish (just please, don't do anything else like Phish, especially musically).

Fighting the bots is one thing, but a considerable portion of tickets get sold UNDER face, because it's a risky endeavor. The profits simply come from the things that end up going for 5x face. Additionally, half of these shows people get so pissed about missing are deliberately put somewhere smaller (anyone big playing MHOW, for instance), to make demand look insane, which is good for their bottom line. I would imagine that, if any legislation passes, it's only going to be pro-Ticketmaster/Live Nation, and you'll have 80% of the old problems, and a whole flood of new ones.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 11:06 AM

***BV MEME ALERT***

"4xface" has now joined the ranks of hummus, meh, 7.5, dunkacino, and daft punk set times.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 11:07 AM

"I buy and sell a lot of second market tickets (2/3 of which I use to attend the show, 1/3 of which I re-sell), and the "problem" of scalpers is wildly overblown. It really sucks for the big acts, but the big acts should be doing something proprietary, like Phish (just please, don't do anything else like Phish, especially musically).

Fighting the bots is one thing, but a considerable portion of tickets get sold UNDER face, because it's a risky endeavor. The profits simply come from the things that end up going for 5x face. Additionally, half of these shows people get so pissed about missing are deliberately put somewhere smaller (anyone big playing MHOW, for instance), to make demand look insane, which is good for their bottom line. I would imagine that, if any legislation passes, it's only going to be pro-Ticketmaster/Live Nation, and you'll have 80% of the old problems, and a whole flood of new ones."

People like this person are seriously the worst. Just complete parasites.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 11:14 AM

The problem is big acts and the easy solution either go the route of Pearl Jam (fan club is the bulk of tickets) or radiohead which is paperless. Look at stub hub only tickets available for radiohead is bad ones because the scalpers can't get the good seats.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 2:12 PM

The funny part is that bruce plays so many shows lately that you can get face or below tix on the secondary market. Brokers can't really make money on him any more.

Posted by ME | May 3, 2012 3:00 PM

3pm laughable, man. laughable.

Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2012 7:22 PM

fan club + paperless/will-call only is the obvious solution for everything. the problem is that the artists enjoy using paper/electronic tickets because it ensures that their show will sell-out faster. they don't care who the tickets go to, honestly.

Posted by dauh | May 3, 2012 7:24 PM

High ticket prices, whether direct from TM or from a scalper, will happen as long as people are willing to pay. This will never go away.
The problem is that all parties involved get greedy. It has become a lot more expensive for larger artists to mount a tour, because every person involved in putting a show together wants a bigger piece of the pie. So now, venue rentals have increased, insurance has increased, TM service charges have increased (the artist and venue get a cut of that too, don't kid yourself).
Aside from obviously affecting the fans who now have to pay more, it also hurts mid-level artists. It has now become more cost prohibitive to mount a tour of larger venues. Some bands who used to be able to do large tours on their own can now only play in primary markets where people have money to pay ridiculous ticket prices, or play as part of package tours or festivals.

Posted by Anonymous | May 4, 2012 11:43 AM

7:24 - Agreed. The reality is that most artists not only don't care who the tickets go to, but many also scalp their own tickets. The thinking behind this is "if people are willing to pay more, then why shouldn't I get a cut of that?".
This is fact.

Posted by Anonymous | May 4, 2012 11:58 AM

I'll add that having a "secondary market" where scalpers run rampant, sometimes helps the artist somewhat. When ticket prices go up to $200+ for a club show (i.e. Weeknd, Fiona Apple), it gives the perception that the artist is bigger than they actually are, which makes them even more popular (people are sheep, and subconciously like things more when they are in demand or when they can't get/afford concert tickets)

Posted by Anonymous | May 4, 2012 12:02 PM

Sometimes artists will scalp their own tickets, when from a public relations perspective, it looks bad for them to charge exhorbitant amounts of money for tickets. So instead, they keep the ticket prices low, but then feed tons of tickets to brokers and get a cut. This way, they look like they care about the fans by keeping prices low, yet they make money from fans that are willing to pay out the nose.

Posted by Anonymous | May 4, 2012 12:06 PM

Artists get paid no matter if sold out or not, its agreed up front. It's the promoters that dont give a shit who buys tickets as long as they are sold.

You think Bruce doesn't get his cut, guaranteed..yea ...shit.

Posted by Anonymous | May 4, 2012 11:56 PM

poor artists.

Posted by jordon | July 31, 2013 8:44 PM

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