Posted in music on July 13, 2012

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As we were saying, original Cro-Mags member Harley Flanagan told website NYNatives that he was acting in self defense when two members of his old band were injured by him at Webster Hall on July 6th. NYNatives since posted Harley's entire statement...

"According to Harley, he was invited to the dressing room back stage and instead of being welcomed as he expected he was jumped by a group of men. "When I saw that door get pulled shut I was literally fighting for my life. I was afraid these guys were going to kick me half to death, roll me down the back steps and that no one would see it... and there would be no witnesses and that would be that....and all I could think about was getting home safe to my kids...I wanted to save my life, to protect myself and these guys were trying to do me in."
Current Cro-Mags frontman John Joseph, who was also in that dressing room, has since issued another statement that starts with the line, "[Harley's] been watching too many sci-fi movies." The rest below...

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JOHN JOSEPH SAYS:

[Harley's] been watching too many sci-fi movies.

"First off, Harley was NOT invited to the show. He was told repeatedly by CBGB [Festival organizers] NOT to come. (I have all the texts and e-mails to CBGBs and security.) He was given a CBGBs laminate to attend another event ('American Hardcore' screening) and then used it to sneak into the show. And if he wanted to talk and resolve things, as he claims, why didn't he come before doors where we could [have] taken care of any beef he had? No, he just wanted to come on the stage during show and try and do something to gain press -- well, he got his press alright.

"At 6 p.m. [Harley] texted Louise (CBGBs) and asked her what time we were going [on]. She didn't respond, but warned me. To which I alerted security to let them deal with it, [as] I had a show to do. He showed up 20 minutes before [and] hid in the crowd outside our dressing room door with a backpack and a KNIFE, never knocking on our door and saying, 'Yo, guys... can we talk?' He was also heard ranting outside that he was putting a stop to us playing his music (his music?). And while sitting outside our door told someone else that said to Harley that he doesn't care about the beef he attends both HARLEY'S WAR shows and CRO-MAGS shows, that he was just a fan of the music. Harley's response: 'Yeah, well, fuck you. Some shit's about to go down, so if you don't wanna be involved, keep fucking walking.' He also told people initially that I was in the dressing room when it all went down, making it look like I set him up when a thousand people saw me on stage ready to play.

"Look here's the bottom line: Security was told to come up and they never did. So knowing this dude always carries weapons and his plan was obviously to use the laminate to gain access to the stage while we played and hearing what he was ranting that night, also remembering the whole Dimebag Darrell [late PANTERA/DAMAGEPLAN guitarist who was killed on stage] situation, as we were on stage about to go on, he was asked to come in the dressing room by Mike. When Harley was grabbed to be searched for weapons, the fight ensued and those three took him down where he pulled a knife and began stabbing people. When the security finally arrived, he wouldn't drop the knife and THEY banged him up, not those three. Again, dozens of witnesses.

"Look if you got beef, a show with women and children on stage ain't the place to bring it. I believe those three stopped a much worse situation where perhaps kids could have got hurt who were on stage. And no one snitched -- I refused to talk to the cops. Unfortunately for [Harley], it's a criminal case so no one has to press charges 'cuz he did that shit in a public venue. We have a way of dealing with matters -- it's called 'street justice.' You pull a knife, I pull a pipe and smash your face in. And I did have a pipe on stage, by the way, knowing this dude can't really fight and always has a weapon, as I said.

"DMS are not thugs, so for the new jacks who weren't even around long enough to remember their past and said that -- keep your mouths shut. For the last 10 years plus, they have been security at shows stopping violence, even promoting the Black N' Blue Bowl and other events where there is NEVER violence. If they had been doing security that night, Harley would have never got in and ALL of this could have been avoided. And only Mike is DMS, not the other two, and anyone who REALLY knows him (not you keyboard commandos talking crap anonymously) will attest to the fact that he's the nicest dude in the world and NEVER starts trouble. The other one is a veteran who tried to get the knife away from Harley. The other just a friend of the band. And Mike (Harley's replacement) was the one who got stabbed first.

"Bottom line, [Harley] was told not to come, he showed up right before we went on, he made threats and then he stabbed people. End of story.

"We will make up the show with SICK OF IT ALL as we are discussing another date now, but I wanted to set the record straight.

"Sure, obviously anyone who knows the past (it's all in my book, 'The Evolution Of A Cro-Magnon') knows [Harley] has a problem with me. He talks shit all the time -- I do not. But he knows my bell and where I live. He NEVER rang it once. I told him we can go to the East River and resolve any issues. He refused. So if you wanna believe all the lies and B.S. that dude posts on [Facebook] -- your choice. The truth is an entirely different thing, though. Your sympathy should lie with those who got stabbed, not the dude who did the stabbing and caused this whole problem. So stop gossiping and move on -- that's what we are doing.

"See you in the pit.

"Peace and PMA."

Via Blabbermouth.

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Comments (100)

HULK SMASH

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 1:53 PM

I'm going with JJ on this one

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 1:59 PM

Anyone else 100% certain that both Harley Flanagan & John Joseph are total scumbags?

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:01 PM

I think JJ is a stand up guy after listening to his unabridged audiobook

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:02 PM

JJ is the worst liar and is borderline illiterate. He spent the better parts of 90-00 being a junkie hustler.

Harley's stab wound on his knee is the huge giveaway here, it wasn't a broken leg like initially reported. Something is seriously amiss here. I wouldnt be surprised if its found out that JJ is the one behind all of this and it is a setup like Harley says. Almost all of JJ's points in his response make him look bad, like, yes, Harley LOVES his kids, of course he wouldnt try to stab JJ while the Mags are playing, thats ridiculous. Gotta love the twists and turns this story this gunna take.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:13 PM

Don't know who's right or wrong, lying or not but I do know who the dumbest one is and that they'll be doing time for their stupidity. Way to grow up and be a parent/adult dumbass. lol

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:15 PM

JJ and harley used to blow each other on tour. fact. not a big deal but they shouldnt be so quick to come off so macho...or should they? i dont know...in any case, harley is a psycho whereas JJ is finally cashing in. looks like JJ wins.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:17 PM

sorry but the dude brought a knife to a music venue. if he was their in a peaceful way why bring a knife. so silly.

Posted by doomey death | July 13, 2012 2:20 PM

Who knew Harley's War would come down to him protecting his bunghole in jail.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:21 PM

1:59: Duh.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:23 PM

Wait, they used to blow each other on tour? Lulz, is that true?

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:27 PM

I'm going with JJ on this one because Harley wasn't in the band when I started listening to them.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:29 PM

"he was asked to come in the dressing room by Mike. When Harley was grabbed to be searched for weapons, the fight ensued"
- ok... so it wasn't exactly him storming the dressing room, and what about his own stab wound? I'd like to think we'll get the straight story someday, but OJ cut off two people's heads and we never heard the real story on that either.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:32 PM

FUCK CAN'T THESE STUPID FUCKS JUST GO THE FUCK AWAY ALREADY?!?!? FUUUUUUCK!

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:33 PM

these guys are all dirtbags and regardless of that theyre pretty damn entertaining.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:34 PM

2:32 "I would love to." "Lookout!"

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:37 PM

^true. They pretty much confirm every sausage stereotype. Hilarious.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:37 PM

2:37 - "Go figure!"

Posted by 2:32 | July 13, 2012 2:41 PM

I AM PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT WENT DOWN, AND I WILL EXPLAIN IN DETAIL.
Harley was invited backstage by JJ to share in a pre-show hummus platter with the band. Harley had brought his own pita triangles with him to share but unfortunately they were stale and as you know those pointy edges can be quite sharp. The new bass player was pissed at Harley for bringing unusable hummus dipping devices and threw the bag at him and it gave him a nasty scrape on his leg.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:42 PM

2:33- says the person who first heard of the Cro-Mags the day of the incident.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:46 PM

i feel just a little bit dumber for reading this.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:47 PM

The townies are acting up again.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:51 PM

2:46 you should really stop projecting your experiences onto others. I guess it will pass though, once you leave your mom and dad in Iowa and move to San Francisco to be with the others

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:51 PM

Total fucktards..... be a lil more like Milo.

Posted by blag the hot shot | July 13, 2012 2:51 PM

2:51 is clearly not from NYC

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:52 PM

^ knuckle dragging townie

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 2:56 PM

fuck you hummus morons.... little fucking geeks , you think it's funny to fit hummus into everything including each others assholes ....

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:00 PM

^I'm a native New York hardcore tough guy townie..fuggedaboutit

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:02 PM

if anything, not enough people were stabbed that night.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:04 PM

lol. @2:27...yes indeed they used to suck each other off. hence the lover's quarrel. the AGE of quarrel.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:07 PM

This is a lot of free publicity for an over the hill hardcore band.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:10 PM

If you are over 18 years old and you still listen to hardcore, you are a L-O-O-O-O-O-S-E-R.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:16 PM

They are the probably one of the most importatnt bands to ever come out of NY , easily in the ranks of Kiss , Velvet Underground , Ramones ..but you guys like The Strokes and played out hipster hummus jokes..

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:18 PM

^bwahahaha

Please don't ever compare the Cro-Mags to VU or the Ramones again.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:22 PM

IM STARTING UP A KICKSTARTER SO :

Harley can get a brain to replace the small marble currently residing there.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:23 PM

Please do not sexualize the use of hummus. Although it has been rumored to be a handy lubricant when nothing else is avail, it's best to keep such conversations in private and off the BV comment threads.

The hummus underground is a family affair and open to all ages. Now pass me a baby carrot. Organic if possible.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:23 PM

i bet you have one of those faces....

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:25 PM

I blame the union of Krishna and Hardcore.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:27 PM

I blame the union of retarded townie sperm and egg.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:30 PM

^townies are locals of small towns. more NYCHC retardatioin

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:33 PM

^I think he is trying to say that hipsters run nyc, and the natives are just townies.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:35 PM

No, I think he's trying to say that he's an old school NYCHC guy and he's a native new yorker and he's better than you because of that.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:36 PM

I blame a lack of brain cells and a surplus of misguided anger and testosterone.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:37 PM

NYCHC is just mad cuz their old stomping grounds turned into a mall.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:38 PM

^pretty much. Possibly some repressed homosexual tension as well.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:39 PM

Did anyone else read Ten Thousand Saints? There was supposedly a TON of DL homosexuality going on in the 80s NYHC scene.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:47 PM

This is a big deal to a lot of people ,,and you guys like to clip your little quirky hipster bullshit jokes on to every post to make it somehow about you, because in the real world it's never about you.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 3:55 PM

AY OH....the Cro-Mags rule...fuggedaboutit

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:04 PM

Yeah guys, this is a huge deal. Everyone should mind their comments.....

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:06 PM

^Yeah how long to the foreign press picks it up and descends on the city. Two washed up retards are behaving like washed up retards. Stop the presses!

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:09 PM

can you blow me where the pampers is?

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:17 PM

Fart harder

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:21 PM

weak publicity stunt

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:23 PM

in the end, regardless of the 2 sides and the different stories it's all so clear that it's ridiculous that people are even discussing it:
two guys hate each other and one of the guys showed up to a hc show with a knife....something happened and a stabbing with the knife occurred. pretty obvious, harley's at fault, despite what anyone said/did.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:24 PM

Just because this is serious to some doesn't take away from the humor of it all. Reckless adolescent behavior from retarded adults is funny. No two ways around it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:29 PM

"Please do not sexualize the use of hummus. Although it has been rumored to be a handy lubricant when nothing else is avail, it's best to keep such conversations in private and off the BV comment threads.

The hummus underground is a family affair and open to all ages. Now pass me a baby carrot. Organic if possible."

Why couldn't Harley find this "comedy guy" and stab him instead?

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:35 PM

i understand it's humor , but it's just the same exhausting rhetoric..

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:46 PM

when it comes down to it everything on BV is relative to hummus, sausage or L1n5anity

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:55 PM

Hey baby, won't you be my dog, and I can be your tree, and your can SUCK MY BIG FAT COCK GOOK!

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 4:58 PM

"Did anyone else read Ten Thousand Saints?"

Yeah, my life is so devoid of purpose and direction, and now that I have more free time since Key Foods closed, I can say I read it. Took me 3 months (I read slow) but I got through it. No one was even gonna test me on it after either.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 5:12 PM

3:04 ftw!

And now I'm gonna say it...either D truly is Harley or the man is dead...one or the other.

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 6:08 PM

what the fuck is DMS?

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 8:56 PM

ALL PR

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 9:19 PM

Rocky 5 was special...

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 9:36 PM

how come nobody recorded this fight on their phone and posted it on the web?

Posted by Anonymous | July 13, 2012 11:46 PM

Because the room wasn't filled with useless twats like yourself who only know how to hold their phones up in the air in response to any out of the ordinary stimuli.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2012 1:04 AM

this didn't pan out like I had hoped. Guess I'll just focus on hip hop from now on.

Posted by hardline warrior | July 14, 2012 1:34 AM

TMZ

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2012 1:43 AM

I contemplated flying out from South Africa for this show, glad I didnt!

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2012 6:51 AM

I'm totally non-violent bro but I'll bash your face in with a pipe if you wanna meet in the alley behind the safeway around, say, 10:30? what, that doesn't work?

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2012 10:36 AM

Rocky 5 is underrated

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2012 10:42 AM

haha at this whole thing. Harley & John are better than Beavis & Butthead.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2012 11:30 AM

Agreed - totally two spurned lovers having a public attention-grabbing tantrum, as old queens are want to do.

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2012 12:17 PM

the only thing this story has to do with faggots is the little gay hipster nerd fuck trolls cracking irrelevant jokes ...go jerk off to pictures of girls at comicon in your star wars pajamas..

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2012 1:14 PM

This lovers spat being played out in public is pretty hilarious....

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2012 2:13 PM

^ yes, almost as hilarious as the middle aged hardcore wastes that keep coming on here to offer their brilliant color commentary as if anyone outside of their own sorry asses and the immediate families of these two kooky lovers gives a flying fuck over any of this shit.

I say give them all Glocks and let them take care of the shit stain all at once. They're too stupid to see that they are essentially the answer to their own "problem".

Posted by Anonymous | July 14, 2012 3:20 PM

Let's see John Crackpipe has yet to write a song and fronts a tribute band while wearing a wig. Harley still makes new music and raises kids.

John is gay for pay and has his coke dealers do his dirty work. Harley gets busted because by his own admission he's still sentimental about his old material.

Everyone in that band thst is on AOQ is a scumbag. They are all thieves who would fuck each other over for a quarter and a veggie burger.

No winners here but only John is spinning much more bullshit. He told his story to every shit rag and lane blog in the world yet he apparently wasn't there. How can you believe a guy who is that stupid and that bad of a liar.

What kind of skinhead has hair plugs? And who the fuck smokes crack any more. Harley may be retarded to want to play in his own band but John is a poop fetishist, wig wearing junkie.

Jan

Posted by Jan | July 15, 2012 12:07 AM

Hey hipster asshole from Bedford Ave with the sausage and hummus comments..go back to mommy's house in Ohio with your little macbook and shut the fuck up

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 2:15 AM

I hear ya Jan. There is a difference between the two. They are still both clueless overgrown children to be concerned with such nonsense at their age though. Not to mention the clear homosexual sub-context between them.

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 7:35 AM

Ted Leo should get some hair plug tips from JJ.

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 8:33 AM

sooo...i'm out of the loop because i'm middle class, but does not snitching count if you send a detailed letter of the events to newspapers? also "let's go to the east river and settle this."

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 10:30 AM

L1n5anity is dead!!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 1:39 PM

AND FLANAGATE ROLLS ON!

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 2:53 PM

^D-GATE has a much better ring to it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 3:00 PM

L1n5anity is dead!!!
Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 1:39 PM

thank fucking god !!!!!hopefully hummus and sausage are not far behind ...

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 3:21 PM

WHERE IS D????

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 4:19 PM

NYC lowlifes

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 8:52 PM

harley & john the REAL scissor sisters

Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 9:25 PM

holy shit people still call themselves DMS?!?!.............in 2012?!?!?!?!

Posted by rich | July 16, 2012 1:16 AM

"L1n5anity is dead!!!
Posted by Anonymous | July 15, 2012 1:39 PM
thank fucking god !!!!!hopefully hummus and sausage are not far behind ..."

^ hummus never dies. It can spoil however if left unrefridgerated for a few hours.

Posted by Anonymous | July 16, 2012 2:57 AM

Not sure what is worse Hardcore punk or dubstep? Both for testeroned out dumb teenaged boys to dance like apes.

Posted by Anonymous | July 16, 2012 5:41 AM

this never would've happened at Unisound

Posted by Anonymous | July 16, 2012 1:11 PM

@3:00

..only if you're that one guy who keeps posting the same joke over & over on here.

Posted by Anonymous | July 16, 2012 1:56 PM

I have to say that out of all the hipsters/transplants that have come to NYC with their smug little attitudes ,quirky little jokes and their over the shoulder attitude that not one of you have accomplished anything of substance ,, no music , art or poetry that is even worthy of mention .. for such a huge influx of art and artists and such intellect and opening galleries and record labels and important trendy loft parties there has been nothing ....just lots of joking and attention seeking antics..just something to think about ..

Posted by Anonymous | July 16, 2012 2:16 PM

this never would've happened at Unisound

Posted by Anonymous | July 16, 2012 1:11 PM

Unisound Reading PA ??? Jake would have given everybody candy and all would be well ...

Posted by Anonymous | July 16, 2012 3:01 PM

Gnarley Flanagan.

Posted by Anonymous | July 16, 2012 3:42 PM

If you invite someone to a dressing room, and then have multiple people GRAB THEM, don't be surprised when a fight ensues.

Three guys jump me and start trying to grapple me, I'm going to do my best to stab them, too. It's reasonable to assume that I'm at risk of grievous bodily harm or death.

You can't assume that they're just going to search you if they aren't cops and you aren't under arrest. Really, 99% of the time, when multiple civilian dudes just start grappling you out of the blue, it gets worse from there.

Posted by Anonymous | July 26, 2012 10:29 AM

"he was asked to come in the dressing room by Mike. When Harley was grabbed to be searched for weapons, the fight ensued and those three took him down where he pulled a knife and began stabbing people."

He was attacked first! It says it right there!

Posted by Anonymous | October 2, 2012 2:59 PM

harley amazing.

Posted by jordon | July 26, 2013 8:07 PM

truly remarkable for all the fans.

Posted by vue 8 | October 25, 2013 12:21 PM

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