Posted in metal | music | pictures on July 19, 2012

by Fred Pessaro // BBG

Refused @ Europa in Greenpoint
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Soaked from head to toe, I walked out of Refused/Off! last night at Europa (7/18, brought to you by Scenic) with a smile on my face. Unlike their recent Terminal 5 shows, the Swedish band's last minute Europa appearance was a wild and overheated affair, more of what a hardcore show should be.

After the cancellation of the much larger Waterfront show due to rain, I knew to arrive early to Europa, so I got there around 7:45. The line was already stretched more than two blocks long, filled with many people who had paid to see the bands at the much larger Williamsburg Waterfront. The Europa show was first come, first served, free and all ages (Waterfront tickets are being refunded), and the venue only let in roughly 500 folks. They went down the line giving out tickets, and those who didnt get a ticket walked up and down the line looking to buy one ("I'll pay $100 for a ticket"). There were a lot of those people. The nearby police station seemed to empty on to the street, with cops standing on the corners surveying the crowd.

The doors opened around 8:30 and people started rolling in to the Greenpoint club. Hot as hell in there. Sweating. A lot.

After a long wait, OFF! played their set to a mostly cross-armed crowd with a few newbie-mosh-types attempting to start a pit. They ended up just bouncing off of each other while the borderline-comatose crowd looked on. It wouldnt be until Refused got on stage that the real mayhem started. More sweating.

After waiting in the venue for what seemed like an eternity (now, dripping), Dennis from Refused made his way to the front to start the set. The crowd got tighter around the stage. By the time the band started, the front was either moving in a wave-like motion, avoiding the mosh pit, or looking out for stagedivers. The band's set seemed similar or identical to their previous outings but with one very notable exception: John Joseph (of the Cro-Mags) arrived on the scene late in their set to perform Bad Brains' "Attitude" and Cro-Mags' "We Gotta Know". This was my highlight for sure, especially in light of the recent violence and the PMA message of the Bad Brains classic. You might remember that at Terminal 5 it was Lou from Sick of It All who came up and performed with Refused (and Sick of it All was also supposed to perform at the recent Webster Hall show that ended early). Not my favorite band, but a solid set from the Swedes. Though the prize of the night goes to the insane audience.

Oh, and during their set, Refused strangely made an onstage proclamation about their past and "still" status as a revolutionary band. Considering their anti-capitalist stances in the past, I think that is a bit more than over-reaching (I disagree entirely). They should probably avoid saying that entirely.

Nevertheless, I also think that Refused's big moment, which passed many years ago, deserves to be celebrated to the fullest. At Europa last night (their 2nd small Brooklyn show this year) show this year), it most certainly was. It was just a bummer that so many that had planned to see the band at Williamsburg Waterfront, not to mention Philly tonight, were left out.

Refused played Jimmy Fallon earlier that day. Video of "New Noise" and "The Shape of Punk to Come" from that appearance, along with pictures from Europa are below.

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Comments (122)

Members of Born Against and Nation of Ulysses tried to get all stabby in Europa, but JJ fought them off.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 11:19 AM

they cut the line off at 341 tickets, which comprised people who got there by 7-710 - unless, of course, being with BV got you in.

Then fuck your life, tbh.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 11:43 AM

Thanks for the pics.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 11:48 AM

sh*t was bananas B A N A N A S

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 11:52 AM

Put out an APB on Steve Kroner and let's set the record straight.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 11:55 AM

sitting around for 3 hours waiting for this shit to start. Get a life. That said, looks like fun.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:03 PM

Trust me we gave out far more than 341.

Posted by The guy handing out the tickets | July 19, 2012 12:13 PM

Remember when no one cared about this band the first time around?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:13 PM

Why wasn't it possible to charge for tickets? I would have kept to scenesters away.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:14 PM

Why were people standing cross-armed for OFF!?
I'd be thrilled to have seen either of these bands for free. Have this idiots never heard of the Circle Jerks or listened to early Black Flag?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:19 PM

That looks like one big panic attack. I am too old for this shit.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:21 PM

they have one good song. looks like a fun show but off! are the better band.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:24 PM

I refused OFF!

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:31 PM

Can someone please tell a newbie what is meant by "BEEEAAANNNS"? Thank you.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:39 PM

I'm cool becasue I play shitty guitars that back in the day were equivalent to wearing Zips #ironyinmusicisboring

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:42 PM

"#ironyinmusicisboring"

Shut up, "hip" boy.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:54 PM

Jimmy Fallon? Isn't it 14 years too late to be promoting that album?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:56 PM

why would they reschedule a paid show that's meant for outdoors for thousands to a small club for for free for less than 500 on the same night that all those people that paid and were going to go to the larger one are here and wanting to still go to the show, but now have to compete with last minute people who would go for free?

stupid planning and logic.


so the bands end up playing the same night, but the people that bought tickets in advance and traveled to the show get potentially shut out, but someone walking right up gets in.

how does that make any sense?

Priority entry should have been given to those who had a ticket to the paid show, even though they would be getting a refund anyway.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 12:58 PM

12:58
if you'd really start thinking about it, it does not make a difference.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:03 PM

I agree with 12:58
Makes total sense. The only people who should have had a chance to get in there should have been people with tickets for the Park show. News about the show was posted around 6:15 and basically anyone who saw that or twitter and got there within an hour got in. I'm saying probably about half of those that got in did not have tickets for the rained out show. Kind of stupid and not fair. Gotta also love BBG's review saying he had to get there early cause he knew there would be a long line. Making it seem as if he actually had to wait on it. Dickhead.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:14 PM

@1258 the reason they didn't honor tickets is so people who bought tickets to the wburg park show would all get refunds. obviously only ~20% of the ticketholders would've gotten into europa, which would've caused a clusterfuck when it came to authenticating refund requests for the remaining tickets.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:26 PM

Why wouldn't all Refused shows be free? I thought they had a bone to pick with capitalism?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:37 PM

^^^^^

and a few to break.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:42 PM

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:43 PM

why is everyone blowing their load over this show? They just played 2 sold out shows at Terminal 5 to like 5000 people here, we already heard the new noise.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:46 PM

'new noise'

how ironic in 2012

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:52 PM

I get why you could be pissed about the ticket thing, but the Waterfront holds 7000 people. Yeah it wasnt sold out, but thats what 4000 ticket holders trying to get to the venue? Europa doesnt have ticketmaster scanners, AEG wasn't affiliated with this show, so they aren't driving them over and setting up WiFi. So whats stops people from printing off 100 copies of their Ticketfast ticket and passing them out to people? Then you have 6000 tickets out there, a third not real or dups, and more people pissed they didnt get in.

If you think its fucked up they did this show for free, they DIDNT HAVE TO DO IT. I had tickets and I didnt go to Europa, yeah it sucks, but unless there was a 5000 person room up the street run by AEG there isn't a fair solution where everyone is happy. It rained hard, get over it and stop fucking whining.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:53 PM

1:37,
It was a free show so who cares if the people getting refunds anyway were the ones allowed into the show. It is a matter of fairness I think. Give the people who were going to the bigger show the opportunity to see this instead of the scenesters who just happen to get their quick when they heard about it. When you say less than 20% of ticket holders were going to get in is not exactly true. The Park show was very undersold. Don't know the actual number but it was not a tremendous amount. And before you say oh well the 2 Terminal 5 shows were sold out. No they were not. That was a Bowery Presents sleight of hand. Plenty of tickets were going around for them.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:58 PM

" "##ironyinmusicisboring" "
"Shut up, "hip" boy."

You just try to make me, flower girl.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 1:58 PM

that's great they immediately jumped into action and booked another venue ... for the same night! some of us are STILL waiting for the cro-mags/SOIA to either refund our money or re-sked another show after that webster hall stabby stabby fiasco. btw, who the hell is "refused"?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 2:19 PM

Granting access to only ticket holders would have been difficult, but they should have at least charged for the show. Shouldn't have been too difficult to accept cash at the door.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 2:27 PM

people (including myself) bought tix to an outdoor show knowing that it could be rained out..... It got rained out-tough sh*t. Then i got a message telling me to get to Europa so i walked over and saw a line of about 100 people and jumped ON it. 3 fukking hours later OFF! went on. Anyone that got there early and stood on that line deserved to get in. All ticket holders are getting refunded anyway. The bands didnt have to put on a show and they did, hats OFF to them... Refused killed it

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 2:35 PM

Oh, and during their set, Refused strangely made an onstage proclamation about their past and "still" status as a revolutionary band. Considering their anti-capitalist stances in the past, I think that is a bit more than over-reaching (I disagree entirely). They should probably avoid saying that entirely.

someone decode this sentence for me?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 2:37 PM

^^ impossible

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 2:46 PM

you would wait for three hours to see this? Seriously?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 3:00 PM

i wouldn't wait in line for three hours to see anything. three minutes and i'm fidgety.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 3:05 PM

^I know. What gives? Are these people mentally ill? Three hours?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 3:15 PM

new noise sounded real good on fallon. i wish i would've went last night

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 3:22 PM

God, this shit sucked the first time around. Do brain dead fucks really like their prepackaged "rebellion" this impotent and sterile?

Punk is over. You are not punk.

Hardcore is over. You are not hardcore.

Look at the Refused guitarist.
Gibson B.B. King Lucille: $3800.
Mesa Mark V combo + 2-12 cab: $3000 +.
At least three Moog pedals +/- $900.
Etc. $$$$$

Anti-capitalist, huh?

You fucking COGS.

It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, specifically.

How punk.

How hardcore.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 3:22 PM

3:22: anti-capitalism has become BIG BUSINESS! a very profitable endeavor! the kids eat it up (and morons over the age of 21 that, obviously, should know better!)

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 3:35 PM

^ so true. Those mother-of-pearl inlays are sooooooo anti-capitalist. Punker than thou. ha!

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 3:36 PM

^ yep. buncha white bread middle class poseurs playn' "punkers" after work. get fucked, fakes.

Posted by Bitch Kicker | July 19, 2012 3:40 PM

3:22 - I noticed the Moog pedals too. One correction though - if one of them is the MF-104 your total should be about $500 higher.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 3:47 PM

LULZ look at the people in that line. Winners and "deep thinkers" all, no doubt. No one can understand how the 99% stay on top?

LULZ


Refused understand.

"The Shape of Punk To Come".


LULZ

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 3:52 PM

Hummus is still a punk snack.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 4:12 PM

understand the difference between sustainability/fiscal responsibility and greed (and all that comes with it). it's impossible to be completely "anti-capitalist" in the way that you're all defining it in a world that functions on the capitalist model.

then again, i'm sure that if refused were to play with busted old homemade equipment and had thrice thrifted attire you'd all be knocking them for that.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 4:16 PM

^ Dumb as fuck right there.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 4:20 PM

so, 4:16, you're saying it's acceptable for anti-capitalists to tote around their iphones, ipads, $4k guitars, etc., etc., just so long as it's done so in the spirit of anti-big business/anti-capitalism/anti-americanism?

how many moons are there in your world? just curious. what color is your sky?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 4:27 PM

4:16 is likely young. He'll get it as he gets older. No worries. Give him a break.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 4:40 PM

Reading things like "LULZ" and goofy album titles like "the Shape of Punk To Come" lead me to believe I'm choking on the air reserved for fucking goobers.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 4:45 PM

This is crazy. I wish I was the moon tonight.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:01 PM

I think the members of Refused gained a little weight, no?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:10 PM

Anybody that posted anything negative on here has too much time on their hands. Especially the ones who made the long detailed posts about whats punk, whats not, whats fair, etc. Shut the fuck up and get a life. I liken you to all the dicks that actually go out of their way to complain about bars or restaurants on Yelp. It's sad. Get a hobby.

I love The Refused. If you don't, good for you. I got tickets and was bummed out that it got rained out. I waited on line for 3 hours cause again, I love the band. OFF! is awesome too so it was well worth my time to hang with friends for 3 hours to see a great show. The show didn't have to happen but thanks to Europa, it did. You have a problem with that? Well then I guess you're an idiot cause I don't really understand what there is to be upset about.

Wanna talk about being punk? Try writing awesome songs with a message, touring your ass off and making no money at it. Then finally you get the chance to do it. God forbid, someone should make money at playing music and spreading a message. Thank god they have expensive equipment and can afford it. It makes them sound better. The same goes for any other "punk" band. Bad Brains and Cro-Mags have expensive equipment and are against capitalism. Does that make those bands hypocrites? I'm pretty sure John Joseph and Daryl Jennifer use macs or iPhones when they go on FB. Are they hypocrites? There's something to be said about being realistic to live a functional and do the things you want to do that i involve working within the system to get shit done and some of those things include having good music equipment if you're in a band or an iphone if you need to be mobile. If you have an issue with that, well again....you're an idiot, plain and simple. You need to get laid or find a hobby cause you obviously have too much misplaced anger. Maybe you're lonely? hahaha.

Anyway, last night was awesome. Haters are gonna be haters. Try being punk and keeping that PMA. Chill out dude, try to have a nice day :)

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:11 PM

Oh and another thing to anyone that thinks that you're a fake punk if you work a normal job by day and go to punk shows at night...I've been going to punk shows since 1993....I happen to work a corporate job and consider myself a punk that is against capitalism. But you know what? I don't want to work at a coffee shop or in retail to make my living. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But if you look at it this way, I'm kind of taking advantage of the system to make a living which still isn't that great to be honest. I've also played in punk bands, toured everywhere, squatted at places, etc. In the words of Ian Mackaye, "What the fuck have you done?"

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:16 PM

who cares if the refused gained weight?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:20 PM

5:16 Are Bad Brains and Cro-Mags hypocrites? Late 70's early 80's? Maybe not. Today?


Yep.


You're also apparently profoundly un-self-aware.

Oh, and you never were a "punk". Period. Proof? The ridiculous paragraph above.

Must be nice.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:29 PM

5;11/5:16 That rant of yours was pure idiocy. The fact that you expelled it over a band like Refused is even more nonsensical. A joke band from the start.

I wish you dropped dead in that heat in those 3 hours.

Moron.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:31 PM

Hummus has serious calories, yo.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:32 PM

wow, since 1993!!!!!! lol

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:38 PM

guys, when did this hummus meme on BV start?

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:39 PM

5:11/5:16 considers himself a punk?

Quote: "I happen to work a corporate job and consider myself a punk that is against capitalism".

Hope you're a troll. Hope to God.

Hope to God.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:40 PM

still waiting

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:44 PM

wow does anyone just like the band? their anti capitalism schtick was always lame but they write damn good songs.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 5:53 PM

STILL WAITING.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 6:08 PM

5:11/5:16 PM PLEASE BE A TROLL.

*shudders*

PLEASE.

please

plea*

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Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 6:30 PM

What about an (International) Noise Conspircay reunion?

That's what I'm waiting for!

Now there was a band that was anti-capitalist.
And who couldn't love their matching outfits?!

I remember when they played with The Hives at the old Knitting Factory, right after 9/11. Dennis really won the crowd over that night with his anti-United $nakes of America rant.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 6:41 PM

"Sooooooooo you guys are what again? Huh, ANTI-capitalists? So that means......? Wait, what exactly does that mean?"

"Oh, we charge people money to watch us play songs".

"....you charge people money? Hold on, I thought..."

"MOTHERFUCKER, I SAID WE CHARGE MONEY."

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 6:45 PM

5:10 - You need to pray that you're in half the shape their in when you're their age.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 8:28 PM

I think 5:10 was joking. Either that or they'll be in for one hell of a rude awakening once they hit 30. Say what you want about their music, but they're in shape.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 9:28 PM

total douchebag crowd. look at all that trash!

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 9:28 PM

@9:28 So looks are what's important in music, huh? Asshole.

Posted by Anonymous | July 19, 2012 11:28 PM

I waited on line for 3 hours cause again, I love the band. OFF! is awesome too so it was well worth my time to hang with friends for 3 hours to see a great show. The show didn't have to happen but thanks to Europa, it did. You have a problem with that? Well then I guess you're an idiot cause I don't really understand what there is to be upset about.


ON LINE? On the interwebs?

You waited IN LINE sir. Were you on top of the line crowd surfing? cause otherwise you were inside the line you rock eater moron.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 4:35 AM

so all u dumb fuks out there spitting a diatribe about "punk" Please tell what punk is nowadays? Im intrigued. Im a wall street 1%er and stood ON line to hear a band that destroys it live and it was well worth it. They have good equipment??? They are in their late 30's, early 40's-i would hope to fukken god that they could afford expensive equipment at this point in their lives-its what they are doing for a living these days. And what the fuk happened to going to a show to enjoy the show....You muppets need to get a life

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 7:44 AM

I would be afraid to go to this show because there are so many white people.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 9:14 AM

^ You'd be too stupid to understand (even if anyone wanted to bother explaining it to you), so don't worry about it.


Stay vapid and fake, bro.


For real.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 9:15 AM

^try me u dumb fuk, been going to "punk" shows since before you were born. Id love to hear your rant on how punk u truly are seeing how your response was a cop-out..bro

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 9:59 AM

Keepin' it real since '93, bitch!

Posted by TRVE PVNK | July 20, 2012 10:12 AM

lol @ bv hispterati understanding of what capitalism is. fuck all of you.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 2:28 PM

"Fuck you for liking what you like!"
"Fuck you for disliking what I like!"
"Fuck you for liking anything!"
"Its so punk to tell other people how to be punk!"
"I would never wait I'm line for anything!"
"You technically weren't standing on or in a line so much as a non-linear queue!"

Joking aside I had an awesome time chatting with people as we waited and an even better time listening to the tunes. Awesome show! Great job!

Posted by cPz | July 20, 2012 3:08 PM

just curious, 3:08, did your shift supervisor have a hard time finding someone to man the grill while you were waiting?

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 3:15 PM

@7:44/9:59 there is no "punk" nowadays.

You think there is? You think that Refused are? If there was any "punk" nowadays, YOU certainly wouldn't be able to find it with both hands and a flashlight. Seriously.

Add stupid to fake and vapid, please.

Hope you're a troll. Hope to God.


Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 3:21 PM

wait some guy who has been going to shows since '93 waited in line three hours for this nonsense. What are you 35 or so? And you waited three hours for this? Kill yourself.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 3:22 PM

^ good point, but don't kill yourself for real. Just smack yourself in the head and move out of your parents' basement.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 3:24 PM

The old "I'm a punk and you're not" argument is beyond dead. Just shut the fuck up already. If you were a real punk like you say, you wouldn't even have to point out which bands are or aren't, you wouldn't give a fuck what anyone else thought enough to even bring it up. Just listen to whatever YOU want to listen to if YOU like it. Fuck everyone else.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 6:32 PM

Remember when Refused wanted to sound like Snapcase and Unbroken? 93 bitches? Less than 10 years ago= how old school.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 9:35 PM

6:32 doesn't know what punk is. Never did. Never will.

I'm not a punk. Neither are you. You never were, despite what you apparently believe.

Nor will you ever be. Ever.

Add dense to stupid, fake and vapid.

Straight up.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 10:53 PM

Wow! You guys take "punk" way too serious!!! Refused and OFF! did this show for free. For people complaining about this you need to get over your crappy NYC life. If you are in a band for a living, obviously you are in it to make money. Who wouldn't to?? Everyone always has something to complain about no matter what, haha. Try to argue that! Cause if you do you're complaining!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 11:03 PM

^ Dumb as fuck right there.

Posted by Anonymous | July 20, 2012 11:36 PM

10:53 would you like to explain what a punk is since you are apparently the expert on the subject. Please educate all the stupid people, even though you yourself claim you are not a punk, but I guess you still would know better then anyone else. After all, when something is wrong with my car, I ask my dentist how I can fix it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 21, 2012 12:42 AM

9:35 - Yeah...1993 was almost 20 years ago. What's your point?

Posted by Anonymous | July 21, 2012 10:56 AM

I think the point about 1993 is, once Nirvana happened and punk 'broke', it wasn't as hard to find anymore. Saying "I found indie/punk in the '90s" is like saying "I found indie/punk when the whole rest of the world found it", big deal.

Posted by Dave | July 21, 2012 11:40 AM

exactly. the danger was gone.

Posted by Anonymous | July 21, 2012 1:14 PM

^The "danger" hasn't existed since 1976-1982, so unless you're around 50 years old, you haven't got a clue. So why hold any bands (or punk fans) that came after that era to such standards? It's pointless.

Posted by Anonymous | July 21, 2012 1:53 PM

Punk died as soon as people started assigning a criteria of what it meant to be "punk" to it, creating a set of rules for a movement that was based on not having any rules and being an individual. So really it was dead almost instantly because of the fans.

Posted by Anonymous | July 21, 2012 3:19 PM

Punk died as soon as people started explaining why it died. Which means that it died twice, since people couldn't explain why it died if it hadn't at least died once already. So maybe punk was zombified at some point, then killed again by the explanation of why it died the first time. Eventually, punk's corpse was dug up by grave-robbers, but they didn't find anything worth stealing, or at least that's what they claim. What I wanted to know was what punk was doing there in the first place, and who had tipped Eddie off about its whereabouts. It had been a strange night for me, and I had a feeling things weren't going to get normal anytime soon.

Posted by Anonymous | July 21, 2012 4:10 PM

Punk died when Hunx & his Punx came onto the scene and broke the mold.

Posted by Anonymous | July 21, 2012 5:35 PM

5:35 - Totally ridiculous comment. Using your logic, punk died when the New York Dolls and Jayne/Wayne County came onto the scene back in the mid-70s, prior to the Sex Pistols, the original U.S. hardcore movement, etc. Not to be insulting but you must be new to this whole music thing.

Posted by Anonymous | July 21, 2012 6:13 PM

the ipods are punker than refused

Posted by Anonymous | July 23, 2012 1:32 AM

So many absolutely mind-blowing RETARDS posting in these comments.

Do you knuckle-draggers even know that this band sold almost all of their gear with they broke up !?

Nearly all of that shit is RENTED GEAR for the tour.

Fucking IDIOTS.
Most of you know nothing.. NOTHING.. about any fucking thing.

Get lives and stay off of the Internet!

Jesus fuck it's unbelievable!

Posted by Anonymous | July 23, 2012 1:45 AM

ahem.. *WHEN they broke up.. ^^^

Posted by Allow me to correct my own rant.. | July 23, 2012 1:46 AM

^ Dumb as fuck right there.

Posted by Anonymous | July 23, 2012 7:27 AM

WHITE ZOMBIE SOLDOUT!!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 23, 2012 8:58 AM

if you talk shit about keith morris you really have no idea what punk is about.

Posted by jEREMY | July 23, 2012 12:57 PM

Keith Morris cleaned my pool the other day. That dude has technique, I don't care what you say
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/off/europa3/25.jpg

Posted by Anonymous | July 23, 2012 1:07 PM

just adding my .02 strictly about music gear. I have pricey gear too, but I refused(ha ha) to pay full retail. To comment on how much gear costs is un-focused because you don't know if they purchased it second hand, or traded with a friend, etc.
sheesh! grow up. And, instead of re-purchasing crappy gear that ultimately breaks, you could save yourself the time and buy something nice one time that will outlast inferior stuff many times over.

Posted by jeff | July 23, 2012 1:35 PM

How many people can you infuriate by posting a comment about expensive looking gear? Still counting...

Posted by Anonymous | July 23, 2012 1:58 PM

He doesn't infuriate me. As a matter of fact, all I feel today is loss, since The iPods announced that they fell apart. I was lucky enough to have heard The iPods play CJ's "Junk Mail" on more than one occasion.

RIP iPods. iPods 4-evah!

Posted by Anonymous | July 23, 2012 2:18 PM

i like Jimmy Fallon,good job!

Posted by Gold Filled Jewelry | August 1, 2012 6:59 AM

i love Refused & OFF! I Agree in the Park show was very undersold. Don't know the actual number but it was not a tremendous amount.Thanks for jobs!

Posted by Massagista | August 3, 2012 11:58 AM

Agree in the park song plyer guitar

Posted by Camiseta Personalizadas | August 9, 2012 2:31 PM

Mark McKinney joined Papa Roach. Yay.

Posted by The Googe | August 12, 2012 12:47 AM

Actual number one. The best band of rock

Posted by imobiliaria em extrema | August 14, 2012 11:04 AM

jimmy fallon is better!!!

Posted by jogos | September 6, 2012 1:29 PM

Actual number one. The best band of rock

Posted by torpedo gratis oi | September 10, 2012 11:48 PM

This back rpck and roll

Posted by Assistir Tv Online | September 11, 2012 9:19 PM

Granting access to only ticket holders would have been difficult, but they should have at least charged for the show. Shouldn't have been too difficult to accept cash at the door.

Posted by Rent a Car Constanta | September 26, 2012 8:06 AM

why is everyone blowing their load over this show? They just played 2 sold out shows at Terminal 5 to like 5000 people here, we already heard the new noise.

Posted by inchirieri masini | September 26, 2012 8:08 AM

I love it when hipsters expose their racism. Lucky for yous your behind a computer screen anonymous. Enjoy your privlieges!

Posted by Clever | September 28, 2012 4:22 PM


Very interesting article, I look forward to more research coming out regarding the remaining two thirds

Posted by Youtube | September 28, 2012 5:37 PM

I love it when hipsters expose their racism. Lucky for yous your behind a computer screen anonymous. Enjoy your privlieges

Posted by Clever | September 30, 2012 5:26 AM

Refused & OFF red hot, show!

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