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photos by Kurt Christensen

John Joseph addresses the crowd @ Webster Hall Friday night - 7/6/12 (video below)
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Before things took a turn for the worse and got all stabby, Webster Hall hosted performances from Vision of Disorder, Sai-Nam and Absolution as part of a five band bill that would have also included Sick of It All and Cro-Mags if the CBGB Festival Friday show didn't end early. Pictures from the relatively peaceful opening to the show are in this post.

As discussed, things got ugly when ex-Cro-Mags bassist Harley Flanagan, who is known for not being happy that Cro-Mags continue without him, allegedly assaulted current Cro-Mags members with a hunting knife before the Cro-Mags set. Harley has been charged with assault and criminal possession of a weapon.

John Joseph and his version of Cro-Mags (that was scheduled to play Webster Hall but instead got cut) issued the following statement:

WE... as a band are truly sorry for the way it all turned out in every regard even the ex-member who's family is now effected by his choices. Our prayers go out to them as well as Mike C., and the others who were hurt, but it was 'his' choice to come to our concert with a hunting knife, standing by our dressing door. Who knows what his actual intent was, obviously he wasn't there with it to cut bread for a peace offering as he was heard saying outside he was putting an end to us playing without him. Let's move on now & stop the trash-talking. Keep that PMA - that's what we are all about.
PMA indeed.

That's a picture of John telling the Webster Hall crowd that the show is over on Friday. You can watch video of it below.

The NY Times talked to John too:

John Joseph, the band's lead singer, said that Mr. Flanagan had been at odds with other members of the Cro-Mags since he left the band in 2000 and had not been permitted to rejoin.

"This dude has been a negative thorn in the side of this band forever," Mr. Joseph said. "I hope he gets what's coming to him."

Few bands were as energetic as the Cro-Mags during the heyday of the Lower East Side hard-core scene in the mid- to late 1980s. Their first record, "The Age of Quarrel," featured an illustration of a mushroom cloud on the cover and driving songs with shouted lyrics about existential fear and the limits of anarchism.

In many ways the songs were a reflection of the world as seen by Mr. Flanagan, who left school at an early age and began hanging out on the decaying streets of the Lower East Side, where rent was cheap, abandoned buildings proliferated and the drug trade flourished.

The hard-core scene gradually become less visible, said Clayton Patterson, a photographer on the Lower East Side who has documented many of the bands, but it has experienced a revival in recent years.

The crowd was waiting for the Cro-Mags on Friday night when Mr. Flanagan darted from the dressing room while yelling something that onlookers could not make out, according to a spectator, Elie Perler, 30.

The NY Post points out:
Joseph warned CBGB Festival organizers that Flanagan wasn't wanted, but he wound up obtaining a press pass.
"Get somebody on the door who knows what he looks like," Joseph said he warned. "They didn't take that threat seriously."
For those people that "don't believe the hype", somehow have faith that this is one big government conspiracy, or that it actually wasn't Harley Flanagan that attacked two in the VIP area at "Weber Hall", you can contribute to the Free Harley Flanagan fund. 119 days to go on this crowdsourcing effort and they are currently at 0.988% towards their $50k goal. Good luck with that one.

If you missed Vision of Disorder, you can catch them in NYC again at Music Hall of Williamsburg on November 24th, tickets go on AMEX presale at noon on Wednesday (7/11) and regular sale on Friday.

More pictures of a peaceful Webster Hall before the storm, and video of John Joseph addressing the crowd, below.


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Comments (110)

WHERE IS D????

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:29 PM

I never knew who the cro mags were. now I do. good PR

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:29 PM

The only conspiracy I see if the mysterious disappearance of "D" since this whole thing went down...

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:32 PM

Mercy for Animals!? The guy stabbed some guys now he wants mercy?! He acted like an animal!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:32 PM

^Sorry thought that was the cromags guy!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:34 PM

massage sausage fest

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:35 PM

stabbing is so 20th century

Posted by D | July 9, 2012 1:35 PM

haha, what a bunch of losers we have on this board. Actually caring about an anonymous person (D) on an anonymous blog. haha, so sad.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:38 PM

My man Djinji is an absolute p.i.m.p. Absolution's 7-inch is flawless!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:40 PM

my 7.5 inches > Absolution's 7-inch

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:43 PM

"I never knew who the cro mags were."

Move back to Ohio. Please.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:49 PM

If fraternities exhisted at community colleges, this is what it would look like.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCD71rYelJY

It's a M-A-A-A-A-A-L FUNCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 1:52 PM

Want to not be taken seriously? Be 40 and wear cargo shorts on stage.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:05 PM

Great, now they're going to double down on searches at white-people shows.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:08 PM

Djinji is dressed like the head of a Cuban drug cartel.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:14 PM

1:38 - You know what's even sadder? A person who obviously cares enough about it to post a comment themself. If you're "to good" for all of this, don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:15 PM

Want to not be taken seriously? drop some Lb's to fit into some cargo shorts, and then move out of your parent's rec room.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:19 PM

"Want to not be taken seriously? Be 40 and wear cargo shorts on stage."

Want to not be taken seriously? Post comments on this site like this.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:21 PM

After the Gook got stabbed the singer of VOD ran up and screamed in his face "Suffer...and don't you bitch about your pain!!!"

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:23 PM

New VOD show w00t!


On the other hand, at MHOW? Strange place for them to play, but whatever.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:27 PM

After the Gook got stabbed the singer of VOD ran up and screamed in his face "Suffer...and don't you bitch about your pain!!!"

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:23 PM

SHUT THE FUCK UP ASSHOLE

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:29 PM

Anyone who is a fan of someone named "The GOOK" clearly has fucking issues.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:35 PM

In all of the audience shots, can anyone find one female?

Seriously. Epic sausage fest.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:36 PM

2:15: it's "too good" retard.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:37 PM

prediction: All charges will be dropped in the name of hardcore unity.. you'll see.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:38 PM

I was there. The whole place looked like a WARZONE. There won't be any ABSOLUTION for Harley after this. The sad part is the YOUTH OF TODAY aren't able to experience classic bands because of crap like this. It's too bad we all can't stand SIDE BY SIDE. I'm SICK OF IT ALL right now. All this fighting. I guess it's MURPHYS LAW right, if anything can go bad, it will. But who am I to JUDGE. REST IN PIECES New York Hardcore.You'll be missed.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:41 PM

Lot of sexually confused adolescent males at this one.

No surprise though. Hardcore music is the process of masking that confusing and channeling it through rage.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:44 PM

how exactly does one effect their family? idiot, go back to second grade.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:47 PM

anyone who goes to these shows that is over 18 is a serious loser.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 2:50 PM

This would rip your faggot faces off!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9YLydmCML4

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 3:04 PM

zzzzzzzzzzzzz 2:44

But have fun acting like a jaded waify twink at dirty projectors and passion pit.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 3:11 PM

been to like 15 cromags shows and never gave a fuck enough to actually wtch the cro mags.. BRO MAGS

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 3:16 PM

^haha, this dude is a frodder, and loves sweaty all male shows.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 3:16 PM

drop face

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 3:24 PM

2:36- Are you blind? Seriously?

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 3:37 PM

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/vod/webster/20.jpg

I hope that guy with the elbow is gonna drop it real hard on the douche pointing at the ceiling.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 3:41 PM

3:37 upon further investigation there appears to maybe be 3 females in this picture.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/vod/webster/21.jpg

So I apologize, the show wasn't 100% male, just 99% male.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 3:49 PM

This is Hardcore?

It's like a roomful of frat boys except not as smart and a lot lighter in the wallet.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 3:58 PM

"^haha, this dude is a frodder, and loves sweaty all male shows."

He sounds more like a trendy boy taking the piss, instead of an actual hardcore person. Much like you.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 4:03 PM

most of the people commenting on the site are people that would never have the fucking balls to say half this shit to any ones face ..

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 4:20 PM

So what's the big deal about being over 40 and wearing cargo shorts at a hardcore show consisting of bands from back in the day? For most of those older guys in the crowd, it's probably a rare night out, a chance to get away from the wife and kids and relive their angry youth. Nothing wrong with that.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 4:21 PM

I'd buy 4:20 and 4:21 a beer.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 4:25 PM

I'd buy 4:20 and 4:21 a beer.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 4:26 PM

PMA + DMS = PMS

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 4:33 PM

3:49- Duly noted. You do realize that most of the women (and smaller or older guys) at big shows such as this tend to stay a little further back and might be out of view, right?

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 4:42 PM

4:21- actually I went with my wife (she's actually into this kind of music) but you are absolutely correct. Who gives a fuck? Good music is good music.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 4:44 PM

I am not really a fan of NYHC, but apparently the Cro Mags album "Age of Quarrel" really meant a lot to a lot of people. So I can't help but be curious and now I'm dying to listen to it. If it's as good as they say, it might even be an awesome listen for people who aren't even into that kind of music!!!

From what I know about DMS- those guys are extremely violent dudes who are NOT to be messed with. I don't hang out with them because I don't enjoy killing people. But I have heard other people say that a lot of them are very nice guys, it's just that they like to kill people who cross them, that's all.

Anyways - I have to give credit to Cro Mags no matter what. They made an album that a lotta people loved. Not many people do that. Harley was probably right to be angry for being cut out of his own band. It's just too bad that people in NYHC only seem to ever solve things in a way that is SUPER violent as I mentioned above.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 4:49 PM

3:04 - I've never seen that footage before. Do you know what movie it's from? It looks fantastic!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 6:10 PM

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 6:10 PM

It's called "The Beat" they are called the Iron Skulls in it they filmed the "we gotta know" video the same day ...it's a bomb movie but that one scene alone still gives me chills to watch ..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094717/

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 6:26 PM

Some of you kids need a smack in the head, this is hard core!! Get the hell out of the sean your are not Punck!!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 7:24 PM

Youve never heard of the Cro-Mags? Why are you even reading this board? Do you live under a rock? The Cro-Mags are NYC, for good or bad (mostly bad).

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 7:31 PM

^yes, when I think of NYC I immediately think of Cro-Mags.

Not Velvet Underground, or Television, or Kool G. Rap, or ESG, or Suicide, or DNA or Jay-Z, nope, none of that.

My mind immediately thinks Cro-Mags. They are NYC.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 7:36 PM

7:37

Me too, exactly.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 8:08 PM

Cro Mags have been around NYC for a long time. If you don't know who Cro Mags are, it doesn't say a thing about Cro Mags, but it does say a lot about you, where you are from, how old you are, and whether your opinion even deserves a moment's consideration.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 8:17 PM

Cro-Mags was and remains lowbrow meathead nonsense.

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 8:27 PM

Thanks 6:26!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 9:18 PM

Wow, the Harley fundraiser is doing gangbusters. they're up to a whopping $484 .

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 9:44 PM

FREE D!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 10:02 PM

this is NOT music

Posted by Anonymous | July 9, 2012 10:46 PM

Don't fully agree with either 8:17 or 8:27. I like some of the hardcore bands, but it's not a thing that I'm super into here. And no, I don't give a fuck how "true" or "hardcore" I am. I just know that I enjoy it for the most part.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 9:48 AM

Oh, and I mostly agree with 4:49.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 9:53 AM

effected, affected, whatever. PMA rules.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 12:25 PM

I know what PMA is.
What is DMS?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 12:35 PM

Dialetically Malnourished Sassies

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 1:05 PM

VOD fucking sucks.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 2:29 PM

^ true. anyone who has satellite tv is lame. cable really is better these days.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 2:38 PM

^ almost as funny as cancer


and no, 2:29, but you're wrong. sorry

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 2:43 PM

WHERE IS D????

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 2:57 PM

the Faux Mags have some balls playing out like they do. It is and always was Harley's band. Sucks he went bezerk like he did. I just never understood why he never took the proper legal root to just make it illegal for them to perform those songs ala Danzig.

Sucks for Mike and the other dude who got in the crossfire. This beef has always been between Harley and JJ. We need a thunderdome. Two middle aged skinheads enter, one skinhead leaves.

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 2:59 PM

2:43 - why do you think cancer is funny? it isn't. and why are you sorry to tell 2:29 about your opinion about their opinion?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 3:03 PM

(p.s. 2:43 - you're dumb)

Posted by 3:03 | July 10, 2012 3:04 PM

2:43 - why do you think cancer is funny? it isn't. and why are you sorry to tell 2:29 about your opinion about their opinion?

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 3:03 PM


They are little sniveling fucking trolls looking to get a cheap rise out of people because they see how serious people are about this ..they know nothing of the subject matter snarky ,slacker hipster bullshit ..

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 3:09 PM

cancer is not funny, and yet it is funnier than dummy hipster jokes like the hummus stuff

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 3:42 PM

THE NO-MAGS

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 5:34 PM

WHERE IS D????

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 5:37 PM

The HOE-BAGS

Posted by Anonymous | July 10, 2012 7:29 PM

Hi.

Posted by D | July 11, 2012 8:56 AM

Sammy Urbani should join the Cro Mags and then they can be even more irrelevant.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 9:39 AM

Serious question: if you were around NY in the mid-to-late 90's, and you went beyond listening to Dave Matthews and Blink-182 and things of that nature, weren't you going to shows at least tangentially related to Cro-Mags? In other words, before you could rely EXCLUSIVELY (but, rather, lightly) on the internet to tell you what was cool - either you were going to hardcore shows, or you were a fucking dork. And you still are. It's just easier for you to cover it up.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 10:32 AM

^ that's a really, truly dumb thought you had there. Thanks for sharing it with the world.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 10:52 AM

Bro-Fags

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 10:54 AM

Yes 10:32, in the cultural Mecca of the US there were no options in the mid-late 90s other than pop music and tough guy hardcore.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 10:57 AM

^yup nothing. It was either the Zooropa tour or Burn. There was NOTHING else.

10:32 is hilarious. These white kids with thugish tendencies really aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 11:00 AM

Guarantee that anyone on here talking shit about hardcore pretends to be into hardcore around people. Especially when your out at your stupid fucking hipster bars trying to one up each other with the street cred as it relates to music that none of you actually have. Keep lying and telling everyone you were into punk and hardcore and skating while you were growing up, until that high school yearbook photo of you dressed like a raver is found. Fuckin homos.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 11:51 AM

I think boards shouldnt allow people to post anonymously, you see a lot less shit talkers.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 11:58 AM

THIS IS MY LIFE AND YOU DO NOT HAVE A SAY!

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 12:06 PM

... says 11:58, anonymously

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 12:10 PM

Guarantee that anyone on here over 30 and still into hardcore pretends to not be employed at a gas station or supermarket (except for D of course).

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 12:11 PM

^30??? Everyone I know who was into hardcore stopped being interested in it or going to shows at around 18. It's a high school scene. These old men who can't give it up are seriously creepy.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 12:22 PM

I was being gracious. A little graciousness goes a long way.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 12:33 PM

Yeah lets all go stagedive at a fuckin Andrew WK concert..... hardcore sucks!

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 1:34 PM

Is there something wrong with people that work at gas stations and supermarkets 12:11? Are they beneath you?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 1:42 PM

12:11 wishes they were beneath him, but they're normally on top of him

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 1:48 PM

I really hope 1:42 & 1:48 are in high school. You adult hardcore 'kids' are definitely SUSPECT.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 1:54 PM

LOL hardcore funnies LOL

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 2:04 PM

1:54 hopes that he's corresponding with underage kids? THAT is suspect.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 2:06 PM

1:54 haha so true. Adult guys who go to hardcore shows have a Boy Scout troop leader vibe to them. Definitely creepy and definitely SUSPECT.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 2:28 PM

What's the difference between adult hardcore fans and Scissor Sisters fans?

Adult hardcore fans lack the self confidence to just admit it publicly already.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 2:49 PM

^I know, I really don't have any beef with Scissor Sisters fans. It's not for me, but they are who they are, and that's it.

Adult hardcore fans are creepy. There is a predatory component to it.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 3:00 PM

^ you know this because...?

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 3:04 PM

I went to shows when I was in high school. it was 99% high school kids. If there was some random 35 year old guy there we would have been very sketched out.

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 3:10 PM

You can thank Jimmy g. coke head dressler of m.l. for inciting the mess against j.j. and the mags. it was jimmy g who planted the knife for Harley to use in the first place smuggled in throw the band equipment the day before , then hidden in the VIP by Jimmy g To use against j.j. and gook it was jimmy g who put the buzz in Harleys head. and Harley sadly fell for it.

Posted by no mercy | July 11, 2012 3:27 PM

Ummm, isn't Jimmy Gestapo's real last name Drescher? Why is everyone calling him Dressler?

What happened to the good old days when Harley punched a chick in the face....oh yeah, none of you were there.

Who cares what Raybeez would have thought. That dude ripped off his band mates. Not surprising since he used to smoke PCP.

Keepin' it real!

Posted by Anonymous | July 11, 2012 10:40 PM

The new Dms is a joke. Pay dues and Freddy will accept you with open arms.
Then you can turn around and cry and ask people for money when it turns out you're not such a tough guy after all.

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2012 7:58 AM

DMS = Dumb Muthafuckers & Shitheads

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2012 8:09 AM

"C'mon people,everybody knows Harley,he doesnt react short of reason.So he didnt just show up and do things because it was a dull Friday and he was bored.
When I last heard anything from him,he's was exceedingly happy about passing his black belt test,and wasnt even discussing the Cro Mags."

Sounds like a sweet guy

Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2012 12:58 PM

leave harley alone....

Posted by earl | August 22, 2012 9:13 AM

great person......i think he might of had a touch of´╗┐ a cold or something..

Posted by Jocuri cu masini | October 4, 2012 4:28 AM

looks like a amazing show.

Posted by jordon | July 27, 2013 2:35 PM

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