Posted in metal | music on December 21, 2012

by Fred Pessaro / BBG

Carl with Kings Destroy at Saint Vitus, July 2011 (more by Fred Pessaro // BBG)
Kings Destroy
It goes without saying that Breakdown's 1987 demo will go down as one of the most important releases in hardcore. The band's toxic brew of negative hardcore and metal influenced legions of fans and bands, eventually spawning hardcore as we know it today. If you haven't heard it, make sure and pick up a copy when the demo is released on vinyl for the first time ever via 540 Records.

The 1987 lineup splintered in the years that followed, with member Carl Porcaro going on to form what would eventually become Killing Time. Having played Chaos in Tejas and This is Hardcore earlier this year, it isn't till now, 25 years after the fact, that the demo lineup is resurfacing to play their first NYC show on Saturday at Public Assembly (12/22). Look for supporting slots from Long Island hardcore favorites Incendiary, as well as The Last Stand, Get Involved and Shell Shock. Tickets are still available.

With this monumental reunion on the horizon, we cornered Breakdown guitarist Carl Porcaro about the reunion as well as about Killing Time and Kings Destroy. The results of that conversation are below.

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Breakdown (not a recent picture) Breakdown

Why did Breakdown decide to finally reunite after such a long time apart? What was the impetus for reunion and what was it like to get together and practice again as the original line-up?

The seeds of the reunion were planted on Facebook with a shared joke between Drago and Jeff on a mutual friend's post. What started as "what if we..." quickly turned into a "when are we gonna start. The original band recorded that demo and played no more that 15 shows before it all blew up over some shit which seems pretty trivial this far in the rearview mirror. I guess we felt like we still had some shit to do. Jeff's band The Slumlords had broken up, Killing Time had gone fairly quiet, and Don was free and game for it and the next thing you know we were playing Chaos in Tejas and This Is Hardcore.

There were a few interviews back in the day where members of Breakdown decried straight edge in NYHC as a bandwagon. Because Breakdown didn't identify with the Youth Crew/edge bands that were popular in NYHC at the time, did you feel ostracized?

Good question. The truth is that we didn't feel ostracized at all. If you were to look at the shows we played in those early days they were with Gorilla Biscuits, Uniform Choice, Side By Side, Youth Of Today, Underdog, Slapshot, etc etc. Hell Ray Cappo even helped us get our first gig at the Pyramid in NYC which was a big deal because we had already played out of town like 10 times and no one was booking us at home. We we're inspired by a lot of the same bands and hung out together at the same shows with all the sxe guys. It wasn't that we were big drinkers or partiers or anything; we just didn't identify as straight edge. As a whole we're a cynical bunch of dudes and the earnestness and the whole ra ra ra "we're a crew" thing just didn't resonate with us. So why were we calling bandwagon? Imagine getting into hardcore in the mid eighties where there were lots of influences being traded and a lot of variety and then when the straight edge thing took hold the whole thing started to become codified. You'd go to a show and there would be 5 bands playing the same riffs with the same lyrics, same sneakers, same blond dyed crewcuts, same sweatshirts and the same intolerable preachy banter. Wasn't our trip.

Kings Destroy at Saint Vitus, July 2011 (more by Fred Pessaro // BBG)
Kings Destroy

What influenced you and helped you create the songs on that demo? What bands drive you currently in your new project Kings Destroy?

Breakdown's sound was like a multi car pile up of our influences at the time which included the heavy metal and thrash metal that we grew up on, the punk and hardcore we started to discover in the mid 80's, the hip hop and graffiti culture, and most importantly the NYHC scene. From the very first time we stepped into a CBGB matinee the fuse was lit on what we we're gonna do. We were helped along by the fact that we had to work within our limitations as young musicians and that our goals were really simple at the time; to get the band on the CBs stage and get the crowd to kick off!

With Kings Destroy, we have been at this for so long that loads of different influences creep in. A reviewer recently described what we do as "genre defiance" To me it's quite simple though. It starts with the obvious like Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, Frost etc., is tempered with the anger and energy of NYHC such as AF and The CroMags, and then reinvigorated by seeing the likes of Melvins and Sleep in the early part of the '90s to give you an idea. Lars's from Get Involved! described us as a hardcore band with all mosh parts. Kinda makes sense as we are a slave to the slow, heavy riff but we are equally addicted to creating moods and atmosphere and trying to put our own creative stamp on things from a lyrical and melodic standpoint. Our second record "A Time Of Hunting" comes out next year.

Carl Porcaro
Breakdown

Even thought the 87 demo lineup has already played at Chaos in Tejas, this is going to be your first show back in NYC. BkWhat are your expectations for Saturday? What are you most looking forward to about it?

I'm not sure what to expect, but what I am hoping for is to see the place packed with both old heads and younger kids having a great time and making things get crazy. I'm psyched to see some old friends and also to give the new kids a chance to see these songs played by the guys that originally wrote and recorded them.

So now that you guys are continuing to perform as the original demo line-up, what can we expect from Breakdown in the future? Where does this leave Killing Time and your current project Kings Destroy?

We are going to continue playing Breakdown shows as long as people want to see it and as long as we continue to enjoy doing it. After this gig, we have plans to play Providence in February and then maybe Europe in the spring. Kings Destroy will be releasing a new album and touring a lot in 2013 including a spot on this years "Day Of The Doomed" fest. Nothing planned for Killing Time but never rule us out. See you on Saturday!

Breakdown

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Comments (50)

Cool! Just curious, is Carl Porcabo the member of Breakdown who was the subject of one of the most enjoyable comment take-downs on Brooklyn Vegan? It's a classic:
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2012/08/city_gardens_do.html#comments

(see 4:04 and 12:49)

Posted by Anonymous | December 21, 2012 5:14 PM

Carl rules.

Posted by Anonymous | December 21, 2012 5:17 PM

Cool cargo shorts, bro!

Posted by Anonymous | December 21, 2012 5:22 PM

Rockin Daddy

Posted by Anonymous | December 21, 2012 6:34 PM

Where are my cheese balls?!

Posted by Anonymous | December 21, 2012 6:58 PM

5:14 is so excited he can bring that up again. Go listen to the demo, go out to a bar and drink a few beers. It's apparent, you'll speak to no girls, end up alone at your basement apt in your grandmothers house in Flushing, but hey....at least you got a breakdown show to check out Saturday. Go crazy.

Posted by Anonymous | December 21, 2012 7:05 PM

There's no such thing as "classic comments" on a blog. Your comment proves your life is centered around the internet, and not life outside your house.

Posted by Anonymous | December 21, 2012 9:03 PM

hey there, the 1987 demo was first released on vinyl in 1990 by blackout records out of yonkers.

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 12:38 AM

come on feel the taint

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 3:54 AM

9:03 - this is the first time I can remember agreeing with an amirite comment. I'd forgotten about that screed from the former bouncer, and I have to agree that it might have been the best commentary we've seen here. These days, this is what passes for op/ed, and breakdown's beatdown was gold.

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 8:58 AM

Some dude is getting a hard-on remembering "comment take-downs" on Brooklyn Vegan.

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 11:29 AM

Carl is an amazing guitarist and a nice guy! Very underrated for his riffs in Killing Time.

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 12:37 PM

bro rock!

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 1:21 PM

9:03 is in his basement sulking.

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 1:26 PM

A correction and a comment:

The demo was released on 7" and CD in the early 90's on Blackout! Records.

Carl is a great guy, and the farthest thing from a thug. I can't imagine he was the source of that exchange on the previous thread.

Posted by BW | December 22, 2012 2:09 PM

Tjis Carl dude is a loser living in the past. And yeah he got pwned.

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 2:18 PM

Tjis

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 3:57 PM

Carl has been playing in bands for 25+ years. He still plays in bands --- not quite sure how thats living in the past. Hardcore,Indie, Rock
Metal, Jazz etc etc....nicest guy, great guitar player. Rock on.
2:18 you should stick to your local Williamsburg hipster coffee shop gloryhole, its where you do your best work.

Posted by anonymous | December 22, 2012 4:08 PM

^you're embarrassing yourself Carl. Grow up.

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 4:51 PM

I'll be at Public Assembly tonight. I'll heckle Breakdown about the way they embarrassed themselves on the BV comment section.

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 4:59 PM

Im going skip this one. I preferred the 1989 post-demo lineup of Breakdown.

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 5:01 PM

"I care about Breakdown." - Nobody '87-'12

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 6:09 PM

i care about breakdown.

Posted by Anonymous | December 22, 2012 8:04 PM

there's no way that this carl dude was the dimwit who yapped about being shafted by the city gardens many moons ago cuz he and the other does LEFT breakdown to start raw deal in 1988 leaving jeff to get an entire new band.

has anyone on here ever heard of raw deal? probably not.............

Posted by Anonymous | December 23, 2012 1:49 AM

BREAKDOWN killed it tonight @ Public Assembly.

No one heckled them.

The demo on 7" from Blackout/Noiseville (it was a split release) was MISSING A FEW TRACKS, therefore YES THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE DEMO WILL BE FULLY RELEASED ON 12" VINYL.

ALL HIPSTER FAGS SHOULD BE KILLED.


Posted by Anonymous | December 23, 2012 2:42 AM

why, because you don't like the comments we post?
because you are homophobic?
because you don't like our appearance?
because you don't like how we act?
you don't have the guts to do anything yourself outside of the little comments box.
you are nothing but a poser wannabe tough guy.
I will come right up to your face at the show and say it directly to you, as well.
I'm not afraid of some internet tough guy who hides in his mommy's basement.
If I was like that, you wouldn't know anything about me to complain about.
I'm out there enjoying life and that kills you.
You only have your pointless reunions and obsolete record releases, both of which take you out of the gene pool.
how does it feel to be an evolutionary dead end?
even if you did manage to reproduce, your own children regard you as pathetic. would you really want them to grow up to be like you, getting all caps over hipsters?
the impotence of your rage is amusing to me, which only serves to enrage you further.
what good does it do?
Everything about me that you don't like is greatly appreciated by many beautiful women.
Everything you do and say is repellent to everyone except other impotent goons.
Why do you bother to continue? There will be more and more of me every year, and fewer and fewer of you.
this is because hipsters and indy rock are superior to hardcore and metalheads in every way.
Go cry over your precious 7 inch collection, that's all you have left after the show is over and all involved are left to deal with their all encompassing sense of regret and futility.
Nobody believes your band is even worth bothering to heckle. The idle threat was enough to call you out and get you frothing at the mouth. This proves everything I have posted to be the absolute plain clear and unvarnished truth.

Posted by King of all Hipsters | December 23, 2012 4:25 AM

Your wrong 2:42. The demo 7" from Blackout/Noiseville was not a split release. Both Jeff and Rich said that the manufacturer made a mistake and the Noiseville language on the packaging was accidentally printed. The guys from Noiseville (Danny and Spider) were later paid off.
The show last night was pretty good. Lots of guys I hadn't seen in a long time and lots of new kids who love Breakdown (87 demo lineup). One thing was a little messed up for me though. I was talking to Scott Brandt and AJ outside after the show. They both confirmed a suspicion about Drago and Carl. Apparently these guys were once a couple. Like into the Chelsea/west village scene. But apparently they went to personal counseling and its all good and done now. But it made it weird to see them play "Pipe Dream."

Posted by Anonymous | December 23, 2012 8:01 AM

^Carl you're embarassing yourself

Posted by Anonymous | December 23, 2012 9:11 AM

carl and drago amirite hummus amarite hummus. williamsburg coffeshop hipster gloryhole love amirite hummus

Posted by anonymous | December 23, 2012 11:25 AM

smh @ Breakdown

Posted by Anonymous | December 23, 2012 11:33 AM

4:25am = Suffers from Hipster Guilt

Posted by Anonymous | December 23, 2012 2:20 PM

carl,

give it up

carl

Posted by Anonymous | December 23, 2012 2:22 PM

smh @ those cargo shorts

Posted by Anonymous | December 23, 2012 2:42 PM

4:12 is so much good he can bring feel on that again. Go listen to the demo, go out to a bar and drink a few beers.

Posted by Masszázs | December 23, 2012 5:14 PM

smh @ grown men arguing about HC, and thinking that they "called out" some other grown man who should be doing more age appropriate activities

smh @ all the losers that are "keeping score at home"

Posted by Anonymous | December 23, 2012 5:17 PM

^smh @ Carl

Posted by Anonymous | December 23, 2012 5:51 PM

we have been at this for so long that loads of different influences creep in

Posted by Mobile technology | December 24, 2012 4:20 AM

iPods

Posted by Anonymous | December 24, 2012 5:48 AM

^Unlike Breakdwn, they have diversity from track to track!

Posted by Anonymous | December 24, 2012 7:54 AM

One thing I've learned about hardcore is that pretty much everything that comes out is considered one of the most important releases in the genre.

Posted by Anonymous | December 24, 2012 10:18 AM

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Posted by Anonymous | December 24, 2012 12:13 PM

^ Shiiiiiit. I suck @ text art. Let me try......

Posted by Anonymous | December 24, 2012 12:24 PM

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Posted by Anonymous | December 24, 2012 12:45 PM

^ Ahhhhh, that's better!

Posted by Anonymous | December 24, 2012 12:45 PM

Pics from the 12/20 show?????

Posted by Anonymous | December 24, 2012 2:10 PM

ya fuck with my friendz and now ya gotta pay. gonna knock some sense into you, guess violence is the only way. ya fuck with my friendz, so now it's your turn. get all that you deserve, some people never learn....

it's as if GZA was from yonkers......

Posted by Anonymous | December 25, 2012 12:05 AM

Any vids or pictures from the BREAKDOWN show?

Posted by Anonymous | December 25, 2012 3:24 PM

some people never learn....

Posted by AUTOBOSS V30 | December 26, 2012 3:21 AM

hey guys, I'm really going out on a limb here, but I would venture to say that Eugene might have been joking around just a little bit. I could be wrong though.

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