Posted in music on December 7, 2012

MSG

"Shameless scalpers are making big bucks by marking up tickets to a star-studded benefit concert for victims of Hurricane Sandy.

Tickets for the "12-12-12 Concert for Sandy Relief" at Madison Square Garden -- with face values between $150 and $2,500 -- are being resold online for as much as $60,000.
"The scalpers should get their asses handed to them! They should be publicly shamed," said Bill Hind, 44, of Brooklyn, who has volunteered at hard-hit New Dorp Beach, Staten Island, for weeks. "How dare you make money off someone else's misery?"

Michael Sullivan, whose family was displaced from Breezy Point by the storm, was equally disgusted -- yet not surprised the scalpers would try to turn a profit on the backs of Sandy survivors.

"They would sell tickets to their mother's funeral if they could get a deal," Sullivan, 51, said.

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) sounded the alarm on Thursday.

"I find it appalling that scalpers are trying to profit off this charitable concert," Schumer wrote to StubHub and TicketLiquidator." [Daily News]

Tickets for the 12/12 show went on sale 12/3. If you can't be there, you can watch it live on AMC.

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Comments (50)

The comments on this one should be good.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:12 AM

Interesting.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:12 AM

Wow

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:13 AM

If the event organizers cared that much it would have been will call. They should have remembered jay-z's 9/11 show and the scalping issue then.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:20 AM

i fail to see how anyone is making money off of anyone else's misery. first, you have the keep the devestation caused by sandy seperate from the fact that this is a concert. the organizers of the concert decided how much money they wanted to make for charity and priced the tickets accordingly. they promptly sold out - therefore the organizers met their goal.

now people are selling those tickets. the money they are paying isn't being taken away from goal determined by the organizers. it's a separate issue. everyone knew that the show would sell out immediately, if the organizers wanted to maximize the amoung of money raised they should have raised the ticket prices. they also could have taken a couple thousand tickets and sold them at a reasonable price to those affected by the storm.

but if somee idiot is willing to pay $60,000 to buy a ticket, why is that hurting cause? how do you know that that person didn't already donate time or money to the cause.

scalping sucks, i've eaten the cost of extra tickets at shows because i refuse to buy from or sell to scalpers. but it's legal.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:23 AM

920 exactly. Make it will call and it'll solve half of this problem.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:23 AM

I have a feeling that some of the more foolish scalpers/speculators may actually lose their shirts on this. As huge and historical of an event as this is, it might be difficult to get that many people to pay 2500. Some of the seats in the 2500 range are really not that great (considering that you're spending 2500).
The flipside to Chuck Schumer's point, is that at those prices, it is quite possible that they may not have sold out the entire house at those prices if it were not for speculators, who may or may not be able to unload their pricier seats.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:24 AM

Look at the back of any ticket from Ticketmaster and is states the following.

"This ticket may not be resold for an amount in excess of the face value of the ticket without the written consent of issuer."

How sites like StubHub operate without any legal ramification has always baffled me. They are scalpers. Their founders have even referred to themselves as scalpers in interviews. Selling any ticket on that site should be against the law.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:28 AM

'bout damn time

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:33 AM

No one even knows how much is going to the charity. It's a scam as it is

"A concert for Hurricane Sandy victims this month at Madison Square Garden will donate its “net proceeds."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/nyregion/hurricane-sandy-donations-15-percent-of-what.html

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:42 AM

Reselling tickets needs to stay legal, but ticket face value prices should go up. Scalper profits must be going back into the promoter's pockets or there would be some effort to deal with this. Charity + scalpers = local news bonanza.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:45 AM

The other thing, is that a lot of the people who post listings on Stubhub do not actually possess the tickets they are trying to sell. If you actually get someone to agree to pay 50,000 for a ticket, it shouldn't be too difficult to buy the tickets at a lower cost to complete the sale.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:46 AM

I went to that guy's mom's funeral. Great flowers, milquetoast coffin.

Posted by jabb the mut(!) | December 7, 2012 9:46 AM

The other thing, is that a lot of the people who post listings on Stubhub do not actually possess the tickets they are trying to sell. If you actually get someone to agree to pay 50,000 for a ticket, it shouldn't be too difficult to buy the tickets at a lower cost to complete the sale.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 9:49 AM

Who gives a fuck? Scalping is gonna happen...and these stupid articles BURY the fact that Stubhub is donating it's ENTIRE 25% per sale vig to Sandy charity. So they've raised at least $75,000 additional funds for charity. No story here.

Posted by Lev | December 7, 2012 9:58 AM

945 - what exactly are you fighting for here? higher ticket prices? well that's a dumb platform to stand on.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 10:03 AM

im an idiot (im 1003)...i walked right into that one...

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 10:05 AM

9:58 and others are forgetting that a lot of these scalped tickets will remain unsold at showtime, meaning that the year's biggest concert will be 3/4ths full with thousands upon thousands of people wishing they could be there. The right thing to do would be cancel all the tickets available on StubHub and sell them thru Ticketmaster (which is waving its fees) for Will Call ONLY.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 10:07 AM

10:07 - that supports my point that speculators actually helped sell this out. The show may not have sold all seats at 2500 per ticket if it were not for speculators.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 10:15 AM

10:07 - the goal was to sell the seats. The seats have been sold. As far as empty seats are concerned, they won't have a probolem filling them with industry people who have passes and no seats.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 10:17 AM

That's possible, too, but we can't know what would've sold and what wouldn't have now that the scalpers fucked everything up.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 10:18 AM

nobody is making money off someone else's misery: there is a seller and a buyer
either way they are getting back exactly what they sold the tickets for, which is the intended amount to donate for victims

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 10:36 AM

don't hate the player, hate the game

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 10:37 AM

scalpers helped the show sell out
that being said, the promoters already got the money they wished to donate
from that point on, buyer can resell and make profit
has nothing to do with morality

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 10:38 AM

Tix not being ”resold for as much as $60,000”, they are being offered for those prices. Big difference.

Btw there's quite a demand for over face tix on CL.

Posted by ME | December 7, 2012 10:48 AM

MSG sold out. They got the maximum amount of money as possible (based on the ticket prices they set)for those in need. Goal met. Period.

The political arguments all go to the impropriety of scalping, which is a valid position, but comments like "How dare you make money off someone else's misery?," simply show a fundamental ignorance of both the goals of this concert - and in general economics.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 11:03 AM

I think the outrage is silly, it should be saved for groups like the Red Cross, who pocket tens of millions in goodwill donations while doing nothing in affected areas.

Then again, if this silly outrage gets paperless tickets or stubhub closed in NYC... those would be great things for live music.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 11:07 AM

Paperless tickets is awful for live music. That means that I can't buy tickets as a gift for a show I don't want to go to.
Personally, I think the ability to scalp tickets is great, because it also allows me to buy tickets for half price on the day of the show, because more often than not, people who speculate end up eating their tickets or taking a loss.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 11:13 AM

10:37 yep

4x face all day every day. It's as American as apple pie.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 11:16 AM

4x all over your face.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 11:30 AM

Complainers sound like a bunch of communists, thanks Chuck and Obama

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 11:33 AM

10:48, I checked CL, saw a lot of people selling but only a few asking for tickets. Most of the people looking weren't looking to spend a lot.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 11:39 AM

LOL what does Obama have to do with this?
The new conservatives are funny. 10 years ago, the liberals were the ones that sounded wacky. Now it's the opposite.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 11:41 AM

It's not exactly accurate to refer to this all as "reselling". In many instances (regardless of what they claim) the tickets are posted by the promoters and venues themsleves. They are the ones trying to get the extra cash for desirable seats. If they don't sell they'll be part of a drop later or whatever else they decide to do.


It's shady perhaps, but it's arguable (just saying arguable)that the practice keeps overall prices down. If 100 astromonically priced seats are sold, promoters are happy and have avoided the risk involved in setting prices too high for everyone else.

It's obviously different when we're talking about a charity event, and obviously there are still a bunch of resellers who make life difficult, but that's not what going on when you see crazy prices that you know no one will actually pay.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 12:19 PM

Stones officially added, so now they can raise the scalper price even more

Posted by texastab | December 7, 2012 12:31 PM

I wouldn't pay to see this. Every band is going to get like a 10-15 minute set.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 12:42 PM

watch in theaters for free, or on tv for free. Every single minute of this will be televised. Why the need to spend that kind of money to sit in a nosebleed seat for no reason and make a scalper rich?

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 12:52 PM

Scalper here. Even I shied away from this one.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 1:16 PM

1:16, I did too. Too risky at those prices.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 1:48 PM

Why add the Stones at this point? Have another event - more tickets to scalp.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 2:42 PM

Agree with 2:42. Remember the glory days of the early and late show? You do it on a weekend at 2pm and 8pm.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 4:29 PM

Who cares? If it's sold out, then the benefit got the money it expected. Almost all of these acts played the market within the last 2 years anyway. If you're complaining you're a cheap idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 4:34 PM

"Who cares? If it's sold out, then the benefit got the money it expected."

Since it's a benefit show, I sort of agree. The people who need the money are going to get it, so that's great. That's basically all the matters.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 4:43 PM

how much are the scalpers outside the venue the night of the show going to pay and sell tix for? they are gong to have to have thousands of dollars on them.

Posted by Anonymous | December 7, 2012 7:10 PM

Since Stubhub is donating profits to the charity, isn't the cause doing BETTER? Not defending SH, just pointing out that each ticket sold thru them for this show is putting more money than the face value of the ticket into the charity $ pool...

Posted by Anonymous | December 8, 2012 3:40 AM

I AM defending SH. They just provide a resource where people can buy/sell. Don't blame them. And don't blame the sellers either. Blame the stupid-ass people who are willing to spend 10x ticket price. It's because of them that there is a scalping market.

Posted by Anonymous | December 9, 2012 2:00 AM

2:00AM - Actually, no. It's the fucking tools who buy out shows with the intention of making monetary gain off of someone else's genuine fandom.

This is the side of humanity I can't stand. Life would be so much better if people were honest and genuine, and if the only people that bought tickets were ones with legitimate interest and intentions on actually going to the shows.

There's a scalping market because it's getting harder and harder for true fans to buy tickets to shows that they actually want to go to because a significant percentage of the allotted tickets to any given show are being bought up by people who know that those true fans are willing to shell out for their favorite bands.

It's a grimey fuckin' world man.

Posted by Anonymous | December 9, 2012 4:36 AM

4:36 - People are buying up tickets with intention of selling them, because there are people who are willing to pay. As long as people are willing to pay, scalping will exist. If you want to "fight the scalpers", don't pay. Simple as that.

Posted by Anonymous | December 10, 2012 11:39 PM

4:36 sounds like a loser

Posted by Anonymous | December 10, 2012 11:49 PM

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