Posted in music | tour dates on June 27, 2013

Boyd Rice

The sold out Cold Cave / Boyd Rice show scheduled for tomorrow (6/28) at TT The Bear's in Boston, MA, a Bowery Boston production, has been cancelled. Venue manager Kevin Patey commented on the cancellation to Vanyaland:

"We've made the decision we didn't want this person in the room. After researching the artist and discussing it with promoters in other cities, we made it clear to the agent that we didn't want this person to perform at our venue. We weren't canceling Cold Cave, but the agent said the show wouldn't happen without the opener. It was the agent's decision. So regrettably, the show was cancelled."
"This person" is of course noise artist Boyd Rice, the controversial former Death in June member whose ties to Nazism, satanism, and accusations of misogyny continue to follow him. Some argue that Rice is just a provocateur using "shock tactics." What do you think?

In the show's stead, the Boston venue is holding a benefit for "local womens' groups and/or shelters."

This is not the first cancellation of this tour. Dates in Toronto and Montreal were also called off for the same reasons. Rice's inclusion on the Cold Cave tour also enraged Philly ANTIFA folk, where that stop ended up being canceled, resulting in last week's late night Saint Vitus show. Chicago ANTIFA are none too pleased either, and claimed to have shut down the Empty Bottle show on 6/24 with a smoke bomb (though the show went on as planned). Cold Cave's upcoming dates with Rice (who performs with the band) include Montreal tonight, and a sold-out Brooklyn show at 285 Kent on 6/28.

Don't have a ticket? Don't want to support Boyd Rice, but not holding it against his collaborators? Cold Cave also just announced a September 4th Brooklyn show at Glasslands.

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Comments (95)

Spineless, liberal hypocrites.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 1:49 PM

This is the only interesting thing about Cold Cave

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 1:56 PM

Boston show will be moved.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:01 PM

Boston doesn't have balls apparently...

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:02 PM

Agreed 1:49. Not only that, but this is old news. How are these booking agents only hearing this about Boyd Rice now?

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:04 PM

If by doesn't have balls you mean Boston doesn't support misogyny, then yes and I for one support the cancellation. Free speech shouldn't support hate speech

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:05 PM

"What do you think?" AKA "Click on this link so we can generate more ad revenue!"

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:08 PM

Anyone who thinks that Boyd Rice or the other old Answer Me people are at all shocking or interesting past the age of 16 are idiots.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:11 PM

$18? why does a cold cave show cost that much?

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:12 PM

pshhh let me know when American Nightmare decides to play Glasslands...

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:16 PM

do any of these anti hate types come out when Dead Prez or Bad Brains come to town?

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:22 PM

Cold Hummus > Cold Cave

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:27 PM

Free speech is both LOVE speech and HATE speech. Take it or leave it.

That's the problem, you want everyone to get along and we don't.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:30 PM

Fuck you and your stump Wes


REAL NAZIS

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:32 PM

^TT's is a private club. They can choose who they want to play there. No one is taking away that idiot Boyd's right to spew his hate. He still has the right to say whatever he wants.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:34 PM

Not to get off topic, but remember how Eisold had this huge rollout of a new and kinda exciting Cold Cave lineup that had one of the guys from AFI, the whiny guy from Blood Brothers, some LCD Soundsystem half-member and someone else? Whatever happened to that, that fucking liar.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:35 PM

the venues are getting hit by last minute protest groups and rather then dealing with them are cold caving and canceling the show

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:37 PM

Cold Cave sucks. American Nightmare sucks. Give Up The Ghost sucks. Wes should be counting his blessings he is able to live off of this lack of talent / soul attempts at much. By counting I mean just on one hand.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:37 PM

...attempts at music.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:38 PM

I think it's really more akin to not wanting to invite your redneck, hate-spewing right-wing uncle to Christmas because you know it's just going to devolve into a long sermon about why blacks and gays are ruining the country when everyone just wants to eat their meat loaf in peace.

The real question here is why is Wes so determined to support this guy? He's not stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:40 PM

wasn't grimes djing more offensive?

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:40 PM

Dear BV: It's spelled "misogyny"

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:42 PM

"Not to get off topic, but remember how Eisold had this huge rollout of a new and kinda exciting Cold Cave lineup that had one of the guys from AFI, the whiny guy from Blood Brothers, some LCD Soundsystem half-member and someone else? Whatever happened to that, that fucking liar."

I've wondered the same thing, doesn't seem like he can keep the lineup going for very long. I wonder why

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:45 PM

Agreed 1:49. Not only that, but this is old news. How are these booking agents only hearing this about Boyd Rice now?
Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:04 PM


because modern booking agents came of age around the time of the first black lips record

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:47 PM

wasn't boyd a nazi guard? This was a right decision to cancel the shows.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:48 PM

I think Boyd Rice is touring with Mumford and Sons.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:49 PM

@2:45pm, he doesn't have Matador backing his music anymore either. He chalks it up to independence and releases overpriced picture discs with his signature on it like he's some rock star, but really, I think nobody wants to associate with him, which is probably why we're talking about Boyd Rice being his opener.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:50 PM

Isn't the 285 Kent show on the 29th?

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:53 PM

2:47 - that, plus no rock promoter at the level where they can book Cold Cave actually cares about this unless it has a risk of messing with their reputation, as it has in a few places. It's not like they're playing ABC No Rio, but I don't fault promoters for not wanting to associate with Boyd and dealing with the headache

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 2:55 PM

2:40a, I'm really sorry that you had meatloaf on Christmas.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:01 PM

boyd rice be lookin' like roy orbison.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:04 PM

also, brave "antifa" warriors lacking actual fascists to fight (and thus a reason to exist) finding an adversary/something to pass the time in some boring old shock-artist.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:19 PM

"It's not like they're playing ABC No Rio"

don't lump ABC into this conversation. they have had more talent come through their doors in their 25 years of existence than any venue in brooklyn will ever have.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:21 PM

@3:19 this

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:26 PM

If you need a good laugh, find video of Cold Cave playing at festivals in broad daylight.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:27 PM

@3:19 I'm curious to see if any of these people sweep the streets of Greenpoint or Astoria looking for white supremacist groups or Golden Dawn sympathizers. These people are literally in their backyards

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:38 PM

The famous american freedom of speech in action. The most hypocrite nation on earth. The only thing worst than republicans in this country is the liberals!

Posted by ME | June 27, 2013 3:40 PM

Stumpy Eisold is a Nazi?


Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:47 PM

How come nobody understands what "Freedom of Speech" actually is? The first amendment is less than 50 words long. It can't be THAT hard to figure out.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:48 PM

Did ANTIFA protest when Public Enemy played that reunion show? Or when Wu-Tang gets together and plays? Nothing against those groups but the 5%/Nation of Islam stuff those groups espoused was just as racist as anything that's come out of Boyd's mouth. Shit, a good chunk of rap in general is way more misogynistic than Boyd.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:48 PM

3:40, you realize that "freedom of speech" doesn't apply to a private club. TT's can ban whomever the hell they want.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:49 PM

Boyd has pictures with Jello Biafra and no one is accusing him of being anarchist. That makes me sad :(

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:54 PM

@ 3:48

Can't tell if trolling.

Comparing Boyd Rice to Wu Tang and Public Enemy?

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 3:55 PM

I like that song 'life magazine'

I once saw the guy from American Nightmare get off the stage and smack a kid upside the head for no apparent reason at an American Nightmare show, think it was at the vfw or American Legion hall in Babylon

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 4:07 PM

fucking idiots in this thread.
freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from reaction to your speech.
nobody is saying boyd rice shouldn't be allowed to be the shitsack he is. they're simply saying he can't do it in their venue.

Posted by son | June 27, 2013 4:31 PM

You'll find much more misogyny in modern hip hop but I doubt any of these people would try to shut down a rap show. Not as easy to push around artists that aren't themselves on the fringe. And since when is being politically active mean you are involved in censoring art? Boyd is far from a Nazi. He makes art with fascist images and ideas. Hardly a threat to anyone. The concept that "anarchist" spend their time trying to bully people into not putting on concerts that offends them is pretty funny to me. Like the dorks that protested Ozzy and Marylin Manson concerts. These people seem like bored Fascists.

Posted by Metalberto | June 27, 2013 4:42 PM

Boyd Rice is the Paula Dean of Noise music.

Posted by sean caffrey | June 27, 2013 5:39 PM

anyone know if there is new venue for the Boston show????

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 5:53 PM

i wish that fall tour lineup of cold cave from last year existed still - this lineup and tour is a bad joke.

Posted by trevor | June 27, 2013 5:55 PM

anti fascist types are bigger nazis than the one's they're unable to actually fight...

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 6:02 PM

Cold Cave sucks. Boyd Rice sucks. 285 Kent sucks. just put a padlock on all exits after the idiots are all in. problem solved.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 6:08 PM

"do any of these anti hate types come out when Dead Prez or Bad Brains come to town?" this.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 6:45 PM

@trevor I agree. I don't care how good a sound synth and laptops make, it doesn't make up for a live band and seem like watching an overproduced karaoke show.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 7:06 PM

Ha ha hilarious that people think Abc No Rio was some sacred place. There were/are so many scumbags and racists associated with that irrelevant 90s dump.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 7:43 PM

AmeriKKKan Whitemare.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 7:50 PM

Meatloaf & Boiled Rice? What has it all come to???

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 9:02 PM

TT Bears = Taliban HQ

No fun no mosh no Boyd

Posted by Nukeboston | June 27, 2013 10:15 PM

i don't get how in 2013 people don't understand that boyd rice's act is a goof. he's not a 'nazi'. like him or not, he's obviously harmless and just trolling. fucking morons. can't anyone do 10 seconds of research before getting all knee-jerk and self-rightious?

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 10:29 PM

Hitler is the biggest troll of them all. There's a ton of videos on Youtube of him spazzing out on random shit.

To be fair, PE did have to kick out a dude for saying a bunch of anti-semitic stuff, then hired him back, and they also use to rep Farrakhan. But then they also made at least 2 classic albums. Chuck D has walked back a lot of his more controversial shit and now is basically a liberal.

Boyd Rice really has done nothing that has really stood the test of time. Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire has had way more of an impact on industrial music and culture.

Posted by ashy | June 27, 2013 10:56 PM

OBAMA is a fascist so I don't see what the big deal is.

Posted by Anonymous | June 27, 2013 11:32 PM

agreed.
No fun, No mosh, No Boyd, NON

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 12:03 AM

it's your loss. i've seen boyd rice play three times...including last week at the empty bottle in Chicago. amazing set. smoke bomb?...no one cared. do your research and maybe, just maybe you'll get it. but i doubt it. enjoy your life of being ignorant.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 1:54 AM

Cold keyboard tones, wes was never that cool, AN was overrrated n heavy pop punk garbage, some girls was dope n raw n way less contrived than coldcave, which is another attempt at this fucker to stay cool / relevant, i bet wes learned about boyd 6months ago when researching more ways to be cool/dressed in black/sad/ i bet he was like oh man death in june sounds sad 'click spotify' yeah hey this guy could open for me n my ego

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 7:15 AM

Actually, Wes has been re-printing Boyd's books and releasing them through his publishing company HeartWorm Press for the last 10 years...but you were close.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 7:58 AM

I have tickets and decided not to go to the concert. The point here is neither Rice or Cold Cave are making any effort at all to clarify their position or simply say that this reading is wrong.
If you accept being labeled as racist and misogynist and says nothing about it, it says a lot about you.
I think that 285 Kent should consider cancel the show as well. This is not about free speech - This is about who you are aligned to. and that goes for Cold Cave and the people at 285 Kent and Ad Hoc as well.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:04 AM

Is that kurt loder...what happened?

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:25 AM

Can Brooklyn Vegan ask Wes/Cold Cave about his thoughts on this? So we have an official position?

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:40 AM

285 Kent and AdHoc will/should cancel this. It's on you guys. So one day everybody celebrates the fact that the country finally allowed gay marriage and a couple of days later you go out to see a Nazi/Misogynist concert?

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:59 AM

it is so stupid that this is an issue who gives a shit if you dont like him dont go

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 1:23 PM

white activist kids love speaking truth to (lack of) power when it comes to marginal industrial/outsider music because its something they actually have the power to silence all the while remaining quiet when it comes to hip hop because they are so inundated with white guilt that the thought of telling a person of color what to do seems to them an oppressive act.

Glad these kids have no real political power and have opted for sharing stories about how victimizing everything is on tumblr.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 3:49 PM

Do you guys seriously live in a world where nobody talks about misogyny in hip-hop? Nobody read any reviews of Yeezus? Was Odd Future that long ago?

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 3:59 PM

the difference is white activist punk kids would never in a million years stage a protest at an odd future/kanye/Chris Brown show. Much less problematic to go after some sickly old industrial shock jock that likes to play nazi dress-up

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 4:15 PM

@9:04

Boyd Rice never 'clarified his position???'
He wrote a book, was the subject of a 3h documentary film and explained himself clearly in dozens of interviews that are readily available online. 10 seconds googling and it's pretty clear he's not a 'Nazi' etc. People should exercise some common ducking sense before jumping to knee jerk reactions.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 5:27 PM

THE ONLY WHITE POWER THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING AT THIS SHOWS IS THE FLOW OF PURE COCAINE.
666/14/88/69/420

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 8:37 PM

The only thing interesting about the DC show WAS Boyd Rice. His solo set was pretty cool. Cold Cave were a snoozefest. They didn't sound BAD, it was just boring, as they were the last time I saw them.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:11 PM

"like him or not, he's obviously harmless and just trolling"

You my friend are the idiot here. I am so glad you think it is a goof and Boyd may well be putting on an act. Unfortunately,trolling with the likes of Tom Metzger and other actual Nazi/KKK activists is not so funny. Or maybe, you schmuck, you should sit down with my grandfather who lost his whole family in the concentration camps and tell him how silly it all is.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:38 PM

Do Fascists eat hummus?

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:38 PM

so embarassing to see people I used to respect give in to the moral mob tactics and "denounce" this guy. They fucking knew who boyd rice was when they booked him, and if they didn't, well, somebody else said it - poseurs.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:42 PM

Why don't these offended people go after actual hate groups operating in Astoria & Greenpoint or go after hiphop shows instead of going after an outsider/fringe artist whose using shock?

Oh right, because you're scared bullies who'd never go up against actual hate speech/sexists.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:50 PM

@ 9:38 actually they eat Homos.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:51 PM

^Read Todd's statement you halfwit. When they booked the show, it was just Cold Cave as i am sure most of the tour was. Boyd Rice was added later by Wes.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 9:52 PM

Todd P didn't HAVE to let Boyd Rice play, so he should shut the fuck up grousing about BR playing.

Your club, not Wes Eisold's, Todd.

Congrats on supporting a racist/hate speech guy, Todd, you no-nut idiot.

Posted by D | June 28, 2013 10:28 PM

boyd rice is a mild-mannered, harmless, friendly noise musician who was just trying to get a rise out of uptight, self-rightious hipsters in the 80's... not a real nazi, misogynist, racist, etc. big difference. go protest some actual cause if you care so much. it's just music. maybe you don't think his joke was funny, but it's pretty clear he wasn't ever serious about any of the stuff everyone is getting so up in arms about.

Posted by Anonymous | June 28, 2013 10:58 PM

If you think that Boyd Rice is scary or dangerous, you are are really delusional. With DIJ too, it's just the same old tactics that Joy Division used to great success. Please don't get offended or think too heavily on it, else you will just look like a fool.

Posted by DJ Jason | June 29, 2013 12:56 AM

DJ Jason

The only fool is Boyd Rice. He isn't gonna fuck you bro.

Go back to spinning raves for born in 1990-93 herbs bitch.

Posted by D | June 29, 2013 11:05 AM

Anyone that is discussing "free speech" here is an idiot. Shut up. 1) The government isn't forcing Boyd Rice to cancel these shows. 2) Canceling a show is, in fact, a form of speech. So you have no clue what "free speech" means (hint: it protects you from the government, not concert venues) and you don't even seem to understand what "speech" means (hint: refusing to put on a show because you disagree with the politics is a form of speech.) You idiots are saying he needs "free speech" and that it should impose on the venues' "free speech" even though NONE of this involves the government. You're morons.

Posted by Youidiots | June 29, 2013 12:03 PM

no, what is being spoken of is artistic license. a venue or a gallery owes it to the artists they invite into their space to have full artistic freedom.

you can second guess this about but venues and galleries that edit their invited artists' choices after he fact are shitty venues and galleries.

also boyd rice is harmless. get over it

Posted by Anonymous | June 29, 2013 12:10 PM

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No what is being discussed here is neither about "free speech", or "artistic license". It is about artistic expression in general, and Dadaist NONsense in particular.

Posted by Anonymous | June 29, 2013 12:23 PM

Why do venue owners have to respect the artistic license of any random jackass?
And aren't the venue owners allowed the artistic license to run their venue as they please?
Idiots like you think anyone should be allowed to say anything without repercussion. I'm an artist, and my art is in the form of punching you in the face repeatedly. Hey man, don't say anything negative about my art. That's freedom of speech and artistic license. You just have to let me do it.

Posted by Youidiots | June 29, 2013 2:37 PM

Boyd looks like he developed an eating disorder.

Posted by MeMeMe | June 29, 2013 9:17 PM

Who eats meatloaf on Christmas?

Posted by Les Moore | July 30, 2013 8:39 AM

Elenidis was the FOURTH PIGGY!!!! NO MORE ELENIDIS!!! PIGGY FREE!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | March 9, 2014 10:11 PM

giving a listen as I'm travelilng from the US over seas for a few of the NIN shows. Not too shabby. Cheers.

Posted by April | May 28, 2014 5:12 AM

His voice isn't half bad but they just sound like every other quasi - 80s goth band so for me (and nothing against people that like Cold Cave) I will just listen to Xymox, New Order and the other godfathers of synth.

Posted by Barry | October 6, 2014 6:53 AM

So childish! Boyd Rice is a "nice guy."

Posted by TESCO PIGS MUST DIE!! | November 15, 2014 2:23 PM

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