Posted in music | pictures on August 5, 2013

photos by PSquared Photography

The plaintiff at Grand Victory, June 2013
Black Flag

Hollwood Reporter has details on a majorly shocking development to absolutely no one... Black Flag has sued FLAG.

[Greg Ginn] claims he and his label, SST Records, exclusively own the rights to the Black Flag name (and "Flag" variation) and infamous logo, which Flag use on tour.

He sued his 1979-mid 1980s bandmates Friday, seeking an injunction against their current tour, which kicked off in May and will stop in Los Angeles (pending this case) for FYF Fest on August 24. The suit describes the alleged infringement of the logo and name "Flag" as "a colorable imitation" that's "likely to cause confusion, mistake or deception among consumers."

Ginn accuses Garfield and Morris of lying to the Trademark Office on registrations; using his own label's record covers to feign as though they've been continuing to use Black Flag since 1979; and in what's alleged to be an act of "outrageous fraud," using bootleg SST T-shirts in an attempt to show they've been making such products in that time.

Hollywood Reporter has a copy of the actual paper signed, which also name former vocalist Henry Rollins (though he is not involved in FLAG).

Check out some belated pictures in this post of Black Flag in one of their more-punk moments, playing a cramped Grand Victory on June 16.

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Comments (74)


Rollins >

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 10:15 AM

so sad

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 10:19 AM

BV - If Ginn's "Black Flag" is suing Flag, that would make Ginn the plaintiff...not the defendant.

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 10:19 AM

Would like to see how much money Ginn indirectly makes off FLAG's reunion due to album and Black Flag merch sales. Some weirdos might by a FLAG shirt, but I'm sure more would rather have the Black Flag one instead.

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 10:21 AM

Flag is the lineup everyone wants to see and Ginn is jealous again. I can't wait for Irving Plaza!

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 10:22 AM

This is going to be a lot of fun. Every time he's interviewed, Rollins mentions that everyone in Black Flag hasn't seen a balance sheet (regarding royalties and such) in over a couple of decades.

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 10:24 AM

Lawyers are punk rock

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 10:24 AM

I side with the defendant!

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 10:48 AM

Haha Greg Ginn is as punk rock as Bon Jovi.
I am glad Rollins keeps himself out of this Black Flag/Flag stupidity.

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 10:50 AM


Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 11:00 AM

The punk rock drama version of the Beach Boys. _________ would be Mike Love and _________ would be Brian Wilson. Fill in the blanks!

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 11:21 AM

FLAG >>> Black Flag

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 11:34 AM

no matter how you come out on this one, it is totally irrelevant -

Posted by anonymous | August 5, 2013 11:36 AM

Ginn is such an enormous scumbag that it's almost impressive.

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 11:45 AM

This makes me wonder if Ginn was always such a dick and he just needed the right set of inconsequential circumstances to bring it out. This reminds me of the whole Axl / GnR bullshit, and look where that ended up (not to mention that Ginn was supposed to espouse a DIY ethic that transcended, or rather lampooned, the pretentious excess of arena rock)

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 11:48 AM

frankly i don't give a shit about this. However, it is Ginn's band. They are his songs. But most importantly, they are his trademarks (logo, name, etc). So what everyone is debating about is basically a cover band stealing the logo of the real band. Haha. I can see one of those at disney world.

As long as they don't sell black flag merch at the shows or purport to be black flag, ginn shouldn't care. but if they sell anything remotely using the logo or the full name or try to express to people they are black flag, I would sue them to oblivion because they are a cover band trying to profit from something that is legally not theirs.

To me this is pretty clear.
And to be honest, I'd much rather see Flag than Ginn's black flag as most of you would.

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 12:01 PM

Epic show at Grand Victory!

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 12:07 PM

"they are his trademarks (logo, name, etc)"

so punk

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 12:08 PM

OMG I just got it!

Black Flag, OFF! ... there both bug sprays! So funny!

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 12:09 PM


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Posted by Crosseyed Sniper | August 5, 2013 1:04 PM


Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 2:01 PM

headphone drummer has to be one of the shittiest drummers i've ever heard

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 2:12 PM

What's also unfortunate about this is that Ron Reyes is an upstanding individual. It sucks that he's dragged down along with this shitshow.

I'm sure Ginn will soon be suing Rollins for having a 'bars' tattoo. What would be even better is if Pettibon walked in and fucking lambasted them all* with a lawsuit to reclaim is OWN intellectual property.. that his sketchy brother stole out from under him. This is a well documented story and is 100%- the case.

Now, it's all about which side will be the first to recruit Joe Escalante to defend the, uh.. flag..

I'm a big proponent of getting compensated for intellectual property, but you have to use your brain about it. Cripes, SST.

(*I guess by 'them all', I really just mean Ginn. What a twerp.)

Also, 12:01, you clearly have zero clue as to the history of the Black Flag artwork.

(** also can't wait for D to weigh in on this one.)

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 3:04 PM

It's a known fact about Ginn withholding royalties. Biafra allegedly did the same and eventually lost a legal preceding on the very subject.

Now, wasn't it Ginn's BROTHER who made all the famous artwork and logo? Yes. Has he gotten compensated appropriately? Another issue to discuss.

Ginn did write the songs that FLAG are playing but if it can be proven he's the sole copyright holder than FLAG could be at fault.
Same as Axl Rose, long known that he's the copyright holder of the G N' R name.

This whole thing continues to reach sickening heights. Fighting over covering songs. I'm certain each has his own personal motivation for playing but Morris has Off! as his h.c./punk outlet. IF Ginn is so committed to the genre where the f has he been with sole regards to playing this kind of music?!

disclaimer: Ginn is a unique guitarist. See anyone try to cover his songs accurately. There are nuances that cannot be replicated.

addendum: Ginn is an asshole.

Posted by jeff | August 5, 2013 5:11 PM

Fact: If Ginn just fucking grew up and stopped being such an unrepentant douche, I have no doubt Dukowski, Dez, Kira, Bill Stevenson, Keith Morris or even fucking Rollins all would've have helped reform the band in some respectable format YEARS ago.

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 11:18 PM

This just in.....

September 11th @ The Great Western Forum in lovely Inglewood, California.

Flag vs Flag


In a Texas Steel Cage Death Match

The last "band" standing wins the copyrights

Posted by Anonymous | August 5, 2013 11:56 PM

Everyone in that crowd at that bar doesn't get that they're at the wrong Black 47 show. Because they all look 47. Hang it up Ginn u lost, bring back that cool country band you were doing for a bit.

Posted by Rick Lafayette | August 6, 2013 3:29 AM

Ok, here we go hahaha.

First, Greg Ginn's business dealings with members of Black Flag and regarding the BF releases are irrelevant. What's relevant is Flag is using images, going under a bandname, and playing songs they don't own live which violates trademark law, goes against ASCAP policy (if Ginn is an ASCAP member), and creates confusion, Rollins and Morris tried to trademark the bandname, Ginn thinks he has legal grounds to sue Flag. Ginn will win. You have to admit Keith has ran his mouth about Ginn enough for Ginn to be pissed about it. Do Flag but why antagonize Ginn even more with shit-talk even if some of it is true? The fact that Morris/Flag lists the names of everyone alone one the Flag Facebook alone must've pissed off Ginn cuz that was basically saying "Ginn isn't part of it" which is true and can't be hidden but no need to go out of your way and show that with listing names. Flag has done everything they could to send a big fuck you to Ginn and well, now they are getting the bull's horns. Push and expect to be pushed back or worse or in this case, hit really hard.

All you people who say Ginn is a scumbag for not paying royalties to BF members and bands he's put out records for on his record label SST Records: Whose fault is that really? The people he's not paying, that's who yeah that's right Morris, Husker Du, Meat Puppets, and anyone else, deal with it. They didn't have lawyers look at what they signed before they signed it, they deserve to get screwed cuz only an idiot signs away his/her royalties. If you get a lawyer, you're not screwed out of royalties. If you don't get one, expect to be screwed out of royalties, and shut up.

Keith Morris needs to get a fucking life. 'Dude's pushing 60 and he's doing TWO bands playing late '70s - early '80s music (Flag!) and new stuff that sounds like it (Off!) 'Cool he's doing something new with Off!, but it's the same old same old and quite frankly does the world really need a THIRD Off! full-length album? They could've EASILY put out their two albums as one for the lengths of them. The well has run dry and it's time for Morris to move on. Plus he comes off like he isn't making it with Off! so he does Flag to supplement whatever money he isn't making with Off!

As for Black Flag, Ginn can do whatever he wants as it's his band and you'll either support it or not. Most likely you won't care like me as it's 2013 and the world of Black Flag is long gone along with their relevance. Pearl Jam 2013 is more relevant than Black Flag 2013.

Honestly, I want Black Flag, Flag, and Off! to get lost cuz they're all irrelevant, arrogant asses.

Posted by D | August 6, 2013 6:28 AM

Old dad punk rock. zzZZzzZZzz

Posted by tschakalack | August 6, 2013 7:12 AM

D - Normally your rants contain enough truth (or at least unprovable statements) that there's no point in arguing with you but you have some serious factual errors in your 6:28 rant.

For one, there's no such thing as "playing songs they don't own live" as no one can stop anyone from playing any songs live. That's exactly how and why cover bands exist. And the act of playing those songs certainly doesn't in and of itself violate trademark law or ASCAP policy.

What can violate trademark law is causing confusion in the marketplace. Assuming Ginn owns the Black Flag name and logo outright (with no claims from his brother Ray Pettibon, etc.), FLAG may indeed lose on this BUT one of the reasons they probably listed the FLAG member's individual names on their Facebook page was to reduce this potential confusion...not to piss Ginn off.

As to royalties, how do you know the contents of people's contracts? How do you know that their deals don't clearly spell out royalty rates that Ginn simply isn't honoring? I admit it's up to the person that is being breached in a contract to enforce their rights under an agreement but neither you nor I know the circumstances as we weren't parties to those contracts.

Posted by Anonymous | August 6, 2013 8:27 AM

^ Just plain old but it's not really about age. These guys are just played out creatively/artistically. I mean do I really need to listen to or see Off! when I could put on Black Flag and early Circle Jerks?

Off! gets what they get because Keith's in the band, that's it. No opening for Red Hot Chili Peppers at Staples Center without Keith being friends with RCHP etc. They put out two albums which could essentially be one since there's about 35 minutes of music between them.

Posted by D | August 6, 2013 8:27 AM

Flag is not a cover band in that they don't call themselves that. They're billing themselves as former members and most of the core members of Black Flag playing Black Flag songs under a name just short of calling themselves "Black Flag" with even the same font as the band's logo - not exactly a covers set.

If you are playing songs you don't own as a member of ASCAP or not which are protected by ASCAP, you must pay a fee to the artist via ASCAP and any venue who does not pay this fee is in violation of ASCAP policy. The band has to get written permission from the artist and/or ASCAP to play the songs live at an ASCAP venue, or they must at least pay a fee to play them. I doubt "Flag" got such permission (if it is required) from Ginn and/or ASCAP. For instance, if you play Rolling Stones covers at a venue without an ASCAP sticker and an ASCAP agent catches this, you and the venue must pay ASCAP or they'll sue you for wayyy more than the fine and win. If you play the covers in an ASCAP venue, you still need permission to play them else ASCAP is merely an enabler for cover bands and people who want to make money off of someone else's music which ASCAP is not. ASCAP isn't the vehicle through which Keith Morris & Co. can play Ginn's music without Ginn receiving compensation, it's a protector of Ginn's music.

Playing songs live doesn't violate trademark law, but playing under the name "Flag" with the EXACT same font as "Black Flag" does. It's also disrespectful to Greg Ginn and the legacy of the band. They should change the name. Why not? People aren't gonna know who you are with the publicity behind you (Vice and Rolling Stone Magazines, Brooklyn Vegan etc.)

Flag definitely meant to piss off Ginn by listing their names because besides it being short for "Black Flag" thus stopping just short of calling it that, and not having Ginn involved or giving his blessings for it to happen, knowing he will be pissed off by it, it begs the question from Black Flag fans "Where's Greg Ginn?" and should it come to that? Btw why doesn't Flag kick Ginn some money considering the band doesn't exist without him? It's like John Joseph with his bullshit Cro-Mags cover band he calls "Cro-Mags" and passes up as the real thing when it is not. The guy says he wants nothing to do with Harley Flanagan yet he plays shows under a name Harley came up with, music Harley wrote alone and with Parris Mayhew, lyrics Harley and his friend Eric Casanova wrote. Why not kick Harley some money considering Cro-Mags doesn't exist without him, love, hate, like, dislike, or give two shits about him, moreover Harley has two sons to feed? You don't like the guy, want nothing to do with him, ok, but why not help his kids considering they did nothing to you? I mean John's a 50-year old man making money of music a father of two created and co-created (as he wrote some Cro-Mags music without Parris/before Parris joined the band) and it's ridiculous he gets a pass for it. Why not kick Parris Mayhew money as what did Parris do to John for John to make money off his music and not pay (Parris) a cent? Nothing. Harley did Cro-Mags only when John quit the band which John has done numerous times. Harley never did the band without John while John was part of the band.

How do I know the contents of people's contracts? I don't, but it's fair to say the contents have resulted in Morris, Garfield/Rollins, etc. not being paid shit. 'Say the contract stipulate payment and Ginn/SST Records is in breach of contract? Why not go after Ginn in court? DON'T tell me Rollins doesn't have the money to when he does and DON'T tell me he couldn't organize a class-action lawsuit or group lawsuit against Ginn when he could. The bad publicity for Ginn/Black Flag/SST Records alone could force a settlement, if he wants to keep it quiet.

The circumstances of those contracts means shit. If you are legally entitled to royalties, either sue for them or shut the fuck up, that's it. Stop bitching, pissing, moaning, and groaning about Ginn like a passive-aggressive bitch and stop playing his songs under a name just short of his band's name a few years shy of 60? I hate to use these two words but it applies to Flag: GROW UP. Here's two more: MOVE ON. Here's three more: GET OVER IT.

Posted by D | August 6, 2013 9:10 AM

class action lawsuits require a huge # of affected plaintiffs RockDad

Posted by Anonymous | August 6, 2013 8:40 PM

Basically, this would be like the E Street Band going on tour WITHOUT Bruise Springstein, yet only playing Bruise's songs.


Viva Ginn!

Posted by Anonymous | August 6, 2013 11:29 PM

How many plaintiffs does a class action lawsuit require and could people who were/are dependents of those affected (spouses, children etc.) be considered plaintiffs? 'Curious to know.

Posted by D | August 7, 2013 12:47 AM

You aren't eating hummus correctly if you aren't shoveling it in.

Posted by Anonymous | August 7, 2013 1:51 AM

I always dip the pita in at least an inch.

Posted by Anonymous | August 7, 2013 5:41 AM

(Flag's lawyers) "Having failed to go after WHITE FLAG'S confusing name and 4 bar logo, the Justin bieber 4 bar shirt salesman and BLACK FAG...I move for dismissal of this case"


Posted by steve | August 7, 2013 12:27 PM

D, have you EVER touched a girl before?

Posted by Anonymous | August 7, 2013 1:40 PM

Dear D,
I'm going to my first gang vocal session next week and want to know the best combination of basketball jersey and headband that I should wear. Is it out of place to wear my bootleg RIP RAYBEEZ hoodie?

Posted by Anonymous | August 7, 2013 2:05 PM

2:05 - Genius!

Posted by Anonymous | August 7, 2013 5:41 PM

"If you are playing songs you don't own as a member of ASCAP or not which are protected by ASCAP, you must pay a fee to the artist via ASCAP and any venue who does not pay this fee is in violation of ASCAP policy. The band has to get written permission from the artist and/or ASCAP to play the songs live at an ASCAP venue, or they must at least pay a fee to play them."
HAHAHHAHHA - I can't give my real identity because of the shit I talk on here, but this is seriously funny and I'm (really) in this business. D - the venue pays public performance fees, and is supposed to get set lists from the bands. You're talking out of your ass here.

Posted by xTAINTx | August 7, 2013 9:25 PM

This blog sucks.

Posted by Anonymous | August 7, 2013 10:15 PM

Why don't you get off my nuts. I'm old school hardcore. I owned the original American Nightmare demo. I know hardcore. Bridge Nine is the greatest label of all time.

I am currently wearing an H2O basketball jersey and I don't even know how to play sports.


Posted by D | August 8, 2013 12:23 AM

^ Nice try dipshit.

Fuck American Nightmare, H20, and Bridge Nine.

'Funny you mention H20 and B9 in the same comments as H20 crawled back to hardcore after they didn't make it with their major label wannabe New Found Glory pop punk sellout attempt "Go!" (they were dropped over) and B9 was all too happy to facilitate the lie of a return to the hardcore scene. H20 whose singer Toby "I Front Like I'm From New York But Am From Bumblefuck Rhode Island" Morse once proclaimed on an Irving Plaza stage that NYHC was dead because his boys Madball broke up. This was back in 2001 when he and his band were sucking corporate dick.

Lately, B9 loves to sign bands who turned their back on hardcore (H20) and people who have moved on from hardcore (New Found Glory, DYS, Antidote.)

Posted by D | August 8, 2013 1:03 AM

Be careful if you are eating hummus,
it is the strongest aphrodisiac known to mankind.
Ever heard of hummusexuals?

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 2:31 AM

Fuck you and your hummus.

Posted by D | August 8, 2013 2:34 AM

Fuck you fake D,

Real D listens to Wu Tang Clan and eats hummus all day.

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 2:46 AM

I hear that you and your band have sold your guitars and bought blenders. I heard that you and your band want to make something real like white bean hummus.

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 2:49 AM

I hear that central park is hosting a hummus cook off.

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 2:51 AM

Hummus is a delicious, nutritious, vegan snack that is popular among members of the Brooklyn indie rock community. Shows have become less about finding new bands to listen to and more of individual "hummus panels" in which these bands voice their opinions about their favorite brands of the food and/or technique of making it. After a brief live set usually aided by repetitive loops, neon sunglasses, and colorful digital Macbook backdrops, there is usually a hummus tasting before the evening culminates.

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 2:53 AM

The saddest thing about the death of a indie rock legend is that they won't be able to make hummus jokes in their graves.

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 2:55 AM

Black Flag was actually originally united as the guys met at a bar having a few beers and some hummus.

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 2:56 AM

Give it a rest with the hummus posts you fucking loon.

BV should filter the word "hummus".

Posted by D | August 8, 2013 7:54 AM

Dear D,
I'm planning on introducing my crew to my mother this weekend and I'm worried that she might not like them. What's the best way to break the ice between my hardcore family and my birth family?

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 8:24 AM

D - Now that you're back in full effect, can you please explain your mysterious absence during all the BV discussions back when the Harley Flanagan stabbing incident went down. There were all kinds of theories going around as to why you had suddenly disappeared from a discussion that you'd normally be knee deep in, including the possibility that you yourself are Harley.

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 9:02 AM

8:24pm Good question I will try to answer as best as I can considering that while I have never been, are not, and never will be part of a crew, I have seen them firsthand and it's safe to say they all co-exist peaceably (or I should say with various levels of peace) with birth families considering most of them have birth families.

Basically, just tell your mom that they're your friends like all crews do to hide that they're really gangs, like the word "crew" does. If she asks what's up with the initials, just say it's an online gaming team name or some other club/club-type thing. If she doesn't like them, then just don't bring them around anymore. If she doesn't want you hanging out with them anymore, I guess it depends on your level of dependence on her. If you live under her roof and eat food she pays for I guess you gotta do what she says. If you don't, politely tell her it's your life and you'll hang out with who you want to hang out with, and too bad if she doesn't like it, but you might strain your relationship with her.

Good luck with your new crew membership. Try not to get in trouble with the law so your fellow crew members don't have to throw a benefit show for you where Crown Of Thornz, Wisdom In Chains, and Shattered Realm play and scold anyone who asks what the benefit is for on The B9 Board.

Posted by D | August 8, 2013 9:26 AM


First, I am not Harley.

Second, what was there to comment about? I am all about innocent until proven guilty and Harley was proclaimed guilty since day one. I didn't think it was worth it to get into it with a bunch of John Joseph/DMS nutsniffers like 99% of hardcore kids/people are nowadays. I felt it would've been a waste of my time, that's all.

Posted by D | August 8, 2013 9:32 AM

Bullshit, 12:27. Let's quote what you wrote:

"(Flag's lawyers) "Having failed to go after WHITE FLAG'S confusing name and 4 bar logo, the Justin bieber 4 bar shirt salesman and BLACK FAG...I move for dismissal of this case"


Greg Ginn doesn't have to go after White Flag, Justin Bieber, or Black Fag as well as go after Flag. He never had to go after any of them before he went after Flag.

All those artists you listed have not played, are not playing, and never will play Black Flag songs and passing themselves up as Black Flag like Flag is, but this lawsuit isn't about Flag playing Black Flag songs, it's about Keith Morris and So-Called Mr.Integrity Henry "I Changed My Last Name Because It's The Name Of A Cartoon Cat Character And I Wanna Be Black" Garfield nee Rollins trying to trademark the name "Black Flag" by pretending to demonstrate it's been in use by them continously since 1979 when it has not been. Yes, I'm going by Greg Ginn's statement and believe that to be the real reason for the lawsuit as it will come out as such as why would he lie about something like that? The United States Trademark and Patent Office has a record of all this which might even be available to the public.

Keith and Henry tried to hijack the bandname and when Ginn shows the world that, Morris and Garfield The Cat will be the ones who look like total jackasses out to steal a man's life's work (Ginn's.)

Posted by D | August 8, 2013 9:54 AM

Damn fake D is really trying too hard

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 10:47 AM

Give it a rest with the "fake D" crap, it's me.

Posted by D | August 8, 2013 11:10 AM

The lady (fake D) doth protest too much

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 11:41 AM

D, saying it's the fault of the people Ginn is ripping off by not paying royalties is jaw dropping.

You're the first to go off here about bands not staying to their roots, but in this case you think the hardcore move is to get lawyers and sue each other? Not only that but that if you don't get lawyers and sue, someone is right to not pay you what you're owed?

To make this simpler - so if I lend you $1,000, and you don't pay me back - I'm the one who is wrong because I don't sue you for the $1,000? You're not the scumbag for not paying me back in the first place?

That's really no different than what Ginn is doing with SST and Black Flag royalties. Blaming the people he's stealing from for not suing him is crazy logic that seems to exist just to defend acting like a selfish asshole with no set of values.

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 1:11 PM

Surprised D isn't part of DMS, or at least a hanger-on. He's just dumb enough to want to hang with Lord Ezec.

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 1:46 PM

Lawsuit should come as a suprise to no one.

Royalty issue is a red herring- none of us know the actual terms of the business arrangements between SST and it's former artists. I agree with the above simple presumption that if SST artists had any valid claim to royalty income they would go to court and sue for it, and the fact they don't is the evidence that they have no valid or substantial claim despite what laypeople on comment boards may like to believe.

I knew a guy in one of SST's lesser known bands in the 90's that quit the band rather than forfeit the rights to his music to Cesstone, he put his foot down then and there...

And it's "Rollins nee Garfield", not the other way around.

Posted by Anonymous | August 8, 2013 3:01 PM

I am not part of DMS or a hanger on, never have or will be, and I have absolutely no desire to hang out with Lord Ezec.

Rollins nee Garfield - you get the point.

Posted by D | August 9, 2013 12:44 AM

Is a fag

Posted by Bartedge | February 4, 2014 8:07 PM

As much as people love to jump on the Greg Ginn hate bandwagon
People are forgetting that it is his band and alwAys has been

It doesn't matter that flag sounds better with Keith Morris and chuck duckowski yes indeed it does

But so does the cro mags with JJ and his scab lineup

Greg ginn is black flag end if story

Just like Harley and Paris Mayhew are the real cro mags

Posted by Bartedge | February 4, 2014 8:12 PM

Mhm, in an interview they said they were the only band with a capitol whatever part of speech the word "of" is in, in front of it.

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