Posted in NYC on August 27, 2013

Odessa

In another sign of the times, the Odessa Cafe Bar will close its doors for good, its last day being Saturday, August 31st, notes EV Grieve. The bar has been an East Village staple for more than 33 years on Ave A, falling victim, like so many others, to the rising rents and gentrification in the neighborhood. Odessa, the restaurant which is next door, is staying open and you can continue to get your pierogi fix.

Word is that the space will house an brasserie/cafe once the Odessa vacates.

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Comments (151)

Yes it a sign of the times that a bar is closing and a cafe is opening. Riveting stuff BV.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 11:09 AM

first place i ever saw a man in legwarmers, and where my pals gave me a flying V for my bday. RIP!

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 11:15 AM

First, Banjo Jim's, then Lakeside and now this?? The East Village is officially dead. The yuppies won.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 11:16 AM

33 years? Huh. I realize that's what it says on the sign, but I don't remember the bar. I remember the restaurant in the eighties and nineties and thought the bar opened later... Like I think in the nineties that space was extra seating for the diner, and at some point they annexed it and tried to make it a bar (ie: they turned the lights a lot dimmer).

I realize we fetishize anywhere that closes nowadays, but the restaurant was fucking terrible. A roach crawled out of my food once, and the food has been pretty consistently terrible since the late eighties when I first lived on Ave A. While I'm as disgusted by the yuppies and frat boys and girls that now inhabit the EV as anyone else, some places are shitty. Odessa is and was always shitty.

Posted by Sausage McNeckbeard | August 27, 2013 11:55 AM

Loser Gen Xers who really need to move on w/ their lives are bummed.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 12:16 PM

Jimbone also laments the death of the East Village. It is now a cesspool of trust funders, yuppie scum and students with a way out-of-whack sense of entitlement. Thanks, kids, for stabbing this beloved hood in the face!

Posted by Jimbone | August 27, 2013 12:29 PM

Jimbone sounds poor and bitter.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 12:50 PM

12:16, I hope someone craps on Roberta's when they close 20 years from now.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 1:24 PM

^in in 20 years I give a half a fuck about what someone says about Roberta's shoot me

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 1:33 PM

what ever will portillo do?

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 2:31 PM

The world is always changing, J-bone. You can't stop what's coming.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 2:40 PM

1:33, that is the correct answer.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 3:36 PM

and we give a shit why? lame.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 3:52 PM

Yay!!! I'm an idiot millenial with no sense of or appreciation for history! I'm going to be young forever!! Who gives a fuck what loser old people think? They're so sad, unlike me, who will always be young, cool, and relevant. (I mean, they didn't even have, like, iPhones and stuff. Gross!)

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 4:32 PM

We give a shit, 3:52, because this place had a certain quality about it that appealed to NYC freaks, broke twentysomethings, metalheads, punks and alike, which I imagine would be about 1/2 of the BV readership. Have you ever even been there? Probably not. You probably hang out in Williamsburg every night and talk about "real" Brooklyn.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 4:39 PM

^you give a shit b/c you don't have a life. Try and get it together.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 4:46 PM

So what would qualify as "having a life", 4:46? Please enlighten me. You think it's pathetic because I enjoyed having a drink and good conversation with my friends there? Maybe if I tweeted about it or instagrammed it, then would be more worthwhile for you little millenial shits?

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 4:54 PM

Progress sucks and all progress needs to stop now, so things can be the way they are or were or whatever. Same good, new bad. Four legs good two legs better...

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 5:01 PM

Can someone pick the hummus boogers out of my nose.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 5:04 PM

You're confusing progress and evolution, 5:01. Not at all the same thing.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 5:05 PM

When exactly did the Gen Xers decide to start acting like the Boomers?

It's a diner. Get over it.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 5:11 PM

12:16 The only loser in this thread is you thinking about where Generation X people are gonna go to eat and drink while you play with an extension of your dick or clit (the iPhone or Android), follow Breaking Bad and Mad Men like they were religions, live on Facebook and Twitter, and run your smarmy mouth on BV about people who are ultimately cooler than you/your generation is and ever will be. Wait, what "Generation" are you again? Generation ZZZ for boring like your bashing people who came before you. 'Gotta love the jealousy and envy.

Posted by D | August 27, 2013 5:12 PM

hahah a bunch of aging Gen Xers are bent out of a shape because they won't be able to get some punk ass diner food in a shit hole in the Village. Reality bites dudes.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 5:16 PM

^It's a bar, douchebag. It's owned by the diner next door. Get your facts straight.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 5:20 PM

waaaah!!!!!


They closed one of 10,000 bars in the Village. It's not 1996 anymore...wahhhhhhhhhh

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 5:27 PM

5:16 Ummm, at least there's a generation called "Generation X"...what the fuck is your generation? How 'bout you grow some balls and finally tell us all how old YOU are you ageist bitch.

5:27 What would you know about 1996 you twentysomething twerp?

Posted by D | August 27, 2013 5:32 PM

This place is sentimental for D. He remembers back in '93 when he picked up a dude at the Mouthpiece show and got his first BJ in the Odessa bathroom. #memories

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 5:37 PM

^ Wishful thinking on your part. So homophobic and homosexual at the same time. You must be gay to come up with that little fantasy.

Finally someone from the hardcore scene running his mouth to me cuz who else would bring Mouthpiece into this?

Posted by D | August 27, 2013 5:50 PM

Ahh 1996. Odessa was popping, Clinton was in office, Parker Posey was the hottest thing walking, and D was sucking dudes off at Warzone shows. #memories

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 5:53 PM

Shows you what you millennial herbs know. The best place to pick up dudes was Coney Island High.

Posted by D | August 27, 2013 5:56 PM

^ Look everyone, the homosexual posts that Parker Posey was the hottest thing walking so everyone thinks he likes women, but really more like no one thinks he's a homosexual.

I think you're the one who wanted to blow dudes at War Zone shows. You definitely have an oral fixation. Hardcore punk not hardcore porn, dummy.

Posted by D | August 27, 2013 5:58 PM

D turned his back on sucking cock.

Posted by Max Horwich | August 27, 2013 6:11 PM

Max Horwich turns his back to take it up the ass by his lover who fantasizes about me being blown and blowing dudes at hardcore shows.

Posted by D | August 27, 2013 6:32 PM

This place had really low grade hummus platters. They were not robust at all. I am not shedding any tears about its closing.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 6:33 PM

6:33, How was the hummusito?

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 6:47 PM

I wouldn't know this place if I crashed my van into the front door.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 7:17 PM

A) Odessa is an amazing BeeGees album - total psychedelia. Try it.
B) Mouthpiece was boring, and so was Turning Point.
C) Gen X is ultimately cooler than you little fucks.

Posted by xTAINTx | August 27, 2013 8:04 PM

A) You're an idiot.
B) Mouthpiece was boring and you're an idiot to lump in Turning Point with them.
C) True, but you were never part of it or my scene, just a hardcore-fronting turd who needs to get lost.

Posted by D | August 27, 2013 8:09 PM

If you only knew...

Posted by xTAINTx | August 27, 2013 8:13 PM

I knew D back in the day. He was the same then as he is now. A bossy bottom.

Posted by C | August 27, 2013 8:19 PM

8:13pm Oh you're someone? 'Doubt it.

Posted by D | August 27, 2013 8:29 PM

I'm sitting back eating my hummus listening to the new moderat reading troll fights. Too good

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 8:48 PM

If you go to the East Village on the weekend (or at any point besides work really), then basically you suck at life. It's a fucking diner in a place that has long sucked anyway, get over it nerds.

Just go to Bushwick to where the actual energy is if that's what you're truly after. People who try to hang on the some long gone vibe from the 70s whose ship has sailed years ago are fucking pathetic. IT"S OVER.

jesus...

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 9:53 PM

^ Jesus you are dumb. First off, fuck Bushwick. Actual energy - you mean hipster energy which is no energy as all hipsters do is co-opt anything they deem cool and well, hip (hence hipsters.)

Odessa opened in 1980 (hence "after 33 years" / 2013 - 33 = 1980) so where are you coming from with the "70s" you fucking clueless hipster idiot. You weren't even BORN in the '70s.

'Funny you say IT'S OVER but who the FUCK are you to say it's over you moved to NYC in 200X or 201X nerd (what you sound like)? What's really funny about you saying it's over is it's you acknowledging that the East Village was once it but no longer is. The same can't be said about Bushwick which is just the newest place the hipsters moved to cuz they can't afford Williamsburg rents after they made it sooooo cool and bitching to live there, they lured yuppies to it and BAM! those yuppies priced out them (including your transplant ass) like they'll/you'll price out Bushwick when you gentrify it, like you always gentrify Brooklyn like the rent-jacking scum you are.

Posted by D | August 27, 2013 10:14 PM

10:14, a populated city that people always want to flock to will always result in rent-jacking.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 11:20 PM

Gen X isn't cooler than us. If you go to Bushwick or where any young kids its cool minus the flock of young losers moving to hoboken.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 11:24 PM

take your meds D

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 11:37 PM

Christ the new new york is pathetic. glad I left.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 11:53 PM

The us really hasn't had anything good to offer since 2004.

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 11:54 PM

11:53 sounds poor

Posted by Anonymous | August 27, 2013 11:58 PM

This is an interesting topic, ruined by the fact that people here go out of their way to be as dickish to each other as possible.

Young adults that weren't around should acknowledge that Gen Xers and older in EV rent controls are sort of being forced to watch their own eradification. They won't move because they're in a great, cheap living setup for any creative, but they have to watch everything from their youth get torn up. Worse, it gets replaced with the worst people and things: Hideous, asshole yuppies.

The older crowd should see there is a real thing that has happened and is happening in Williamsburg & Bushwick, and it's no better or worse than what we had. There's no real need to get angry at them because really we're on the same side. The cunts moving into the luxury buildings on the water are destroying Bedford for Millennial creatives as we speak - just like they destroyed the EV.

I guess I just wanted to write for the Internet Record that there are those of us that see this in a more evenhanded, less hostile way. Well, unless you're an EV yuppie or some asshole with a stroller in those new luxury buildings. Than I hope you die by fire. Sorry.

Posted by Sausage McNeckbeard | August 28, 2013 12:03 AM

^How about you stop being deadbeat losers hunkered down in your commie rent control shitholes, and try actually accomplishing something?

Then you can live where ever makes you happy.

Other than that, a fucking bar closed down. Please try and grow up and have at least some degree or perspective.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 12:10 AM

lol @ 12:03. Talk about entitled.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 12:22 AM

12:22 knows where the good hummus is at

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 12:23 AM

12:03 you're doing it wrong! You should have OD'd like all your loser friends.

Instead you're still around crying because things change over time.

People like you are pathetic. I'd much rather hang out with a 'yuppie' or god forbid an 'asshole with a stroller'.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 12:31 AM

12:03 forgot that milfs have strollers too.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 12:32 AM

12:03 please move out of NYC. We have no use for your kind. I would suggest you look into Oakland.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 12:36 AM

12:36 is 12:03

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 12:46 AM

^fuck no. Good god, I would have to delouse myself.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 12:52 AM

12:52 good diction adding that to my vocab.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 1:27 AM

One time D asked to smell my chickpea farts. I obliged even though I found it awkward, but he found it to be quite a turn on. He was the only man to ever smell my chickpea farts.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 1:28 AM

This isn't a watershed event. Some people were very attached to this bar and may feel like this is the passing of an era, but it's more an end to a personal era for them than the end of a cultural era for all of us. There's a long history of gentrification around Tompkins Square that goes at least as far back as the riot in 1988, which was partially motivated by the condominiums being developed at Christadora House.

The East Village I grew attached to in the late 90's had already faded for my elders. Sometimes I tell people "That's the spot where this really awesome place used to be" but do you think they give a shit?

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 2:43 AM

2:43, everything changes dude. This country is heading down a rotten shithole too. In the meantime, we should just sit back and listen to Frankie Teardrop.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 2:54 AM

haha 20 somethings telling GenXers to get over it when they reminisce about the past because they have money to keep up and every penny of it is from mommy and daddy.

anyone that wants to live in some super gentrified shithole must jag off to million dollar listing NYC

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 7:56 AM

9:53 here. First let me just say...wow...I feel honored to be raped by the great(or sad) D. Thank you sir.

So let me break this down for a second. I don't know if you choose to look back at your youth with rose colored glasses, but there have always been posers or hipsters. As in these are not people that just suddenly appeared in Williamsburg 10-15 years ago. I'm sure there were plenty in the EV in the 70s, wearing spikes and blue hair and other bullshit without really understanding the context or depth/intellect of where it came from. See what I did there?

True, I was born in 81. Which still makes me relatively young, but I guess oldish in a way. But that's irrelevant. You're holding onto this pedestal that "I was there" because you have nothing else to hold on to. I'm sure the old EV had some wonderful artists and musicians. I'm sure it was a raging shithole too. I actually work in the EV; I'm actually typing from here now. It's basically a ridiculous yuppie sanctuary, and St. Marks is essentially a tourist attraction. You make this asinine assumption that Bushwick has no energy and is nothing but hipsters. The hipster part is true. There are tons on hipsters who co-op other people's intellect and talent and tastes (this happens all over the world), but there are also people doing some really amazing art and music here. I'm in the East Village 5 days a week, and to say that going back to Bushwick is a breath of fresh air is a massive understatement of epic proportions. But I can only relay my personal experiences.

And yes, one day Bushwick will one day gentrify completely like Williamsburg and the East Village before it, but that's more the nature of the state of NYC than the fault of hipsters/yuppies/etc. If you want to mourn anything it should be the lack of low income housing which has pushed artists further and further east. I'm of the opinion that this won't happen forever (seeing as you can only go so far east), but it's the nature of NYC at this present moment.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 1:45 PM

"If you want to mourn anything it should be the lack of low income housing which has pushed artists further and further east. "


lol, low income for 'artists' huh? There was plenty of low income housing in N. Brooklyn before the 'artists' arrived. 'Artists' has to b e the biggest code-speak euphemism in all of sociology. Who are these 'artists'? How many people really make their living as artists? (and I mean an ADULT living, (not scraping up $600 a month for your end of a share in Ridgewood) Very VERY few. And the very VERY few who do, most likely came from money to starts with. All this art shit is a humungous lie, sold by bullshit university programs, and soft soft parents.

What 'Artists' really means is young people from a certain class who are in the 20's and early 30s. That's what 'artists' are. Once you get over say 35, 'artist' morphs and eventually translates into 'ne'er do well' or 'loser'.

That's reality.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 2:17 PM

Unlike 9:53, as someone who D was ostensibly a fan of, I do not appreciate his tone with me. I was trying to be friendly. Oh well.

Posted by xTAINTx | August 28, 2013 2:25 PM

2:17 is correct. I'd love to see the statistics on this. I'd bet that statistically one would have a better chance of making a living as a professional athlete than one would have making a living as a fine artist.

Artist = hoop dreams for affluent white kids.

And then one day the smoke clears, reality sets in, and you wind up with a lot of disappointed, angry and envious people who essentially bought into a myth. People like 12:03.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 2:35 PM

Remember when the East Village was cool? Yeah, me neither...

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 3:29 PM

Newark > Brooklyn > East Village> West Village

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 3:36 PM

Linden>Newark>Brooklyn>East Village>West Village

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 3:41 PM

12:03 and 1:45 both have good points. We're in this together guys. Occupy The Edge!

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 4:04 PM

Toms River>Linden>Newark>Brooklyn>East Village>West Village

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 4:06 PM

Baltimore>Toms River>Linden>Newark>Brooklyn>East Village>West Village

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 4:28 PM

9:53

You just wrote that you were born in 1981. So I was correct: you weren't born in the '70s or even in your dad's ballsac then, so who are you to talk about the East Village let alone NYC or Planet Earth in the '70s? You're disqualified from talking about NYC before 1981 and we can argue x amount of time after that or at all, too, as I'm gonna guess you're not from NYC either.

I don't wear rose-colored glasses cuz guess what? I don't go to the EV anymore.

You liken people who were around before you were born to today's Williamsburg/Bushwick hipsters and it's laughable because I unlike you have seen both and there's no comparision. People who dressed the part back in the '70s didn't drive up the rents, they were some of the many people the real estate business wanted out of the East Village so it could be the rich people and NYU kids only college town it is today. The fatal flaw in your "same then as now" argument is the EV was brimming with artistic, creative, different people. CBGB - nuff said, but I can run off a list of places besides CBs that'd make your head spin.

If I'm holding onto something, at least I have something to hold onto unlike you as you have given ZERO indication of what you were a part or witnessed, and it's too late for you to tell me/us what it was now.

The old EV had some wonderful artists and musicians. It was not a "raging shithole" people like you paint it as. I agree that it's basically a ridiculous yuppie sanctuary, and St. Marks is essentially a tourist attraction now. I'm sure Bushwick is a breath of fresh air compared to today's EV, but I'm not talking about today's EV, I'm talking about you running your mouth about how people should get over the closing of Odessa Bar when they shouldn't if they don't want to as guess what? Odessa was one of the last vestiges of a pre-yuppie sanctuary EV and imagine if there were say just ten more places like it in the EV today? If there were, guess what? I'd go there again.

Bushwick will gentrify because of hipsters and the yuppies they draw to it as both work in tandem. It's real simple: when hipsters co-opt a neighborhood and draw enough rich people in general (yuppies included), they are priced out and move to a cheaper neighborhood - the cycle repeats, thus hipsters are the real scourge and evil because the people they serve as human guinea pigs are known - I know the monied, the rich, the yuppies want to drive out artists, blue-collar people, etc. I respect their no bones about it presence - I know my enemy. Hipsters are despicable. They front like they're part of a counterculture, an underground, a movement, a scene, when they are merely what I call "wuppies" i.e. wannabe yuppies. They are all one in the same. A hipster is merely a yuppie with less money or the ability to make yuppie money so they act like nomads moving from one neighborhood to another knowing the yuppies will follow them at every turn.

Posted by D | August 28, 2013 4:33 PM

^as if you have added anything worthwhile to society to be able to speak from this high perch you raging fucking moron.

And yes I know D, you must be important since I am taking 5 measly seconds to fire off a comment towards you. I know that's what fuels your idiocy

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 4:56 PM

2:54am
re: Frankie Teardrop
I'm with Nick Hornsby on this one. That is a song that does not need to be listened to more than once. I like the rest of that album, but that song is just pure fucking torture.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 5:37 PM

Newark is the new Brooklyn.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 6:45 PM

"One in the same" - BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! What a fucking dolt. Hey D - I hope we're not misunderestimating you.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 7:07 PM

One and the same - happy assface? Who just posted "misunderestimating" a Bushism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushism

Post a real word you fucking dolt. I made a mistake but you didn't post a real word.

4:56 What the fuck have you added to society that's worthwhile you little D-riding bitch? Let's read it.

No, I'm not important, just dogged by no-life shitheads like you and the other jackass who ran his mouth about EV in the '70s then admitted he was born in 1981 LOL.

Posted by D | August 28, 2013 7:34 PM

5:37, I've never actually listened to the lyrics before. I just listen to suicide alot, and yeah it is pretty dark.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 7:50 PM

D - me was making fun ov U. Misunderestimating is my faverit Bush-ism.

Posted by 7:07 | August 28, 2013 7:53 PM

Is the East Village a place where white people are scared?

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 7:57 PM

Lol @ D, angry and worthless but I enjoyed the comeback @ 7:34 that you made. The always trusty and reliable "I know you are but what am I" and the famous D "dick riding" one.

Yes D, we know. Everyone on here is dick riding you and we all think you are important cause we take a minute to write a mocking comment blasting you.

Yes D, it is the thing that drives your pathetic life now you silly little simpleton.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 8:04 PM

Wow D is truly a fucking idiot. He should thank the lord for unions every day when he wakes up.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 8:07 PM

Brooklyn Vegan just posts all these articles about shitty places closing cause it causes the commentators to complain that no one cares, and it starts troll fights. So technically BV tries to feed the trolls.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 8:32 PM

Spend all day postulating on that, Sherlock?

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 8:42 PM

EV in the 70's - 80's was indeed an absolute "raging shithole". From ave A east to ave D there TONS of burnt out buildings left vacant by landlords who couldn't afford the maintenance and taxes so they hired some lowlife to set them ablaze and collect the insurance money. The junkies set up crack housse and shooting galleries. It looked like Dante's 8th circle of Hell. Everything basically below 14 St resembled an open air drug supermarket.

There were also tons of creative people doing their thing, not unlike Bushwick today which is a sort of a sanitized version of the EV in it's heyday. That's the difference.

Young cunts, old farts: NYC has always been about change. And MONEY.
"Yuppies", artists and punks don't even factor into the equation. Housing is about supply and demand. Jew landlords can get top dollar because people from all over the world want to live in NYC and can afford to, not
not just "trustafarians" from the midwest.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 8:58 PM

Yow. Jew landlords? Mmmk brainiac.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 9:24 PM

8:42, took me a nanosecond. A lot less time then it takes you to locate your micropenis.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 9:26 PM

And the bitter frustrated jealous assholes have whittled in down to straight up antisemitism. Surprised it took so long.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 9:36 PM

8:58 - Whether you're serious or not, fuck off. Seriously. Die.

Posted by xTAINTx | August 28, 2013 10:01 PM

No the EV wasn't a shithole 8:58. The actions of a few do not represent the many. It had it's problems and the fact that you compare Bushwick 2013 to the '70s and '80s EV shows you are another one who has no clue about this city before 1990.

'Love your antisemitism and bullshit about how New York has always been about money jive when no it hasn't always been about money - I needn't have to explain that. If it was all about money then people wouldn't be up in arms about longtime places closing.

Let's go back to the recent past: 1993 (twenty years ago.) The EV was a great place to shop for records. You started with Tower Records then went on to Venus Records, Final Vinal, Reconstruction Records a hardcore punk and metal record store a few doors to the left of FV, Stooz Records, A-1 Records on Avenue A, then cap it off with Downtown Music Gallery and any of the places that sold dance/house/techno (not my scene but they were around.) You could hit bars Alcatraz, King Tut's Wah Wah Hut, and Mona's and be surrounded by artists, music fans, all types of people, and there were other places like Cherry Hill Tavern, 7B. Spiral, CBGB, and Continetal had live music almost every night. See Hear was a place one could buy fanzines and music books. It was starting to fade as a go to place but it was still vital and 100X more alive than now. Now it's one part Mardi Gras minus the party and one part NYU campus.

Posted by D | August 28, 2013 10:05 PM

All of you who attack me are henceforth officially called "D-Riders" and I will number you as I see fit.

When I designate you D-Rider 1, 2, 3 etc. Have the fucking balls to post under your designation e.g. if I call you D-Rider 15, post as D-Rider 15. "Anonymous" is so boring and lazy, like your endless D this D that. This way everyone who is sick and tired of you whining about me can see you're someone whining about me and ignore it.

Posted by D | August 28, 2013 10:10 PM

10:05.

No you're wrong. In the larger scheme of things NYC is ALL about MONEY. The EV back in the day was a total shithole, as I said esp east of ave A. Great fun a lot of the time , but it looked more like a war zone than an urban oasis.

As for today, from a purely aesthetic point of view, the new architecture in Williamsburg and Bushwick has to be the ugliest,
shittiest buildings I've seen outside of East Europe and third world countries. And btw it's not owned by Edward Egan, the Catholic archbishop.

10:01

No, you fucK off and die. Truth hurts, bitch?

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 10:17 PM

^typical deadbeat goy. Slow and stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 10:23 PM

10:23 - not helping.
Mr. Anti-semite - your arguments aren't as effective when you start sounding like 1920's Austria. Remember. They lost.

Posted by xTAINTx | August 28, 2013 10:31 PM

10:23 you forgot the probable drinking problem #goys

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 10:37 PM

10:31

I have an enormous amount of respect for the German Jews who built Harlem. That's is some of the finest stonework and masonry
anywhere. Williamsburg? Glossy overpriced shithole just as the EV was a burnt out one.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 10:39 PM

"No you're wrong. In the larger scheme of things NYC is ALL about MONEY."

Bullshit. There was wayyyy more affordable housing in NYC before 1990, so there goes your argument.

I never said the EV was an "urban oasis", I said it wasn't a warzone. Harlem, the south Bronx, central and east Brooklyn were warzones. It's laughable that you liken the EV to those areas.

Remember that many who talk about how bad the EV and LES were "back in the day" were people who looked for and got into trouble e.g. Harley Flanagan, John Joseph, Jimmy "Gestapo" Drescher et.al. Of course when you run around fucking with Latin street gangs and other neighborhood people you're gonna run into trouble and it's gonna seem like a warzone.

Posted by D | August 28, 2013 10:48 PM

* Wayyy more affordable housing in NYC before 1990 than after 1990.

Posted by D | August 28, 2013 10:49 PM

D, I don't mean to strain your limited brain, but 'affordable' is an inherently relative concept.

It's a matter of supply and demand. Demand has gone up drastically since 1990.

And the anti-semite is actually correct. NYC is all about $. Has been from day 1.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 10:53 PM

I'm gay and I want to blow guys forever. Fuck my poopy ass inside out

Posted by D-Rider 69 | August 28, 2013 10:59 PM

I'm fat and hang out at St. Vitus

Posted by D-Rider 666 | August 28, 2013 11:00 PM

10:53

Thank you, haha. Not just demand but INVENTORY. There is a great deal more of apt space that people consider "high end", hence a huge rise in the cost of renting the said apt. Again most of it is the ugliest, most obnoxious, most debased, most banal pile of shit a mind could conjure up. And it's called Williamsburg.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 11:07 PM

Oh my fucking god, would you listen to all these whining bitches!

1990-this and 2000-that.

Shut the fuck up all of you. You've got horrible taste in music and I used to rob your fathers on the LES back in the day.

You know how nice Italian restaurants give you free bread? Places like Odessa let you have their staggering cockroaches.

Difference between now and then? You all pay extra for it.

NYC, RIP.


Posted by CRACKA | August 28, 2013 11:16 PM

^you sound mad.

I don't want to live in Murray Hill, but more power to those who do. I don't obsesses over it. It's not on my mind.

Your anger is the real truth. You're a kid pulling on the pigtails of a girl you cannot get. Us smart guys know the dynamic when we see it and can convert it into $.

You can't, and so turn to hate.

Sucks to be you.

-Jew landlord in Williamsburg

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 11:18 PM

If anybody actually cared about these issues they would riot in the streets like honest, motivated human beings.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 11:19 PM

11:16

Your mother used to give me a car suck on 11av/ 42 st back in the day.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 11:19 PM

This thread is over-ridden with idiots. I never though so many could write in one place.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 11:20 PM

Where do all the poor people go? New jersey?

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 11:26 PM

Money talks and bullshit walks. Get used to it kids.

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 11:26 PM

gentrification

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 11:28 PM

I just had some epic post, and it got censored like 2 times. Fuck brooklyn vegan narcs

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 11:28 PM

11:26 LA?

Posted by Anonymous | August 28, 2013 11:31 PM

"This way everyone who is sick and tired of you whining about me can see you're someone whining about me and ignore it."


Wait what D? Who is sick and tired of seeing people bash you? Who actually likes you or even praises anything about you on here? Seriously dude, are you that delusional? Point to me one supporter of you in any thread on this blog. Actually I think there was 1 person the other day who was in amazement that he actually agreed with some inane thing you wrote. So it's like 1 for you and 1,000,000 against you. Stupid fuck you are.

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 4:41 AM

^ People who don't post in comments because 90% of what is posted after I post is directed at me.

CRACKA

I know you're not including me in what you wrote cuz I merely pointed out the bullshit that this city wasn't wayyy more affordable before 1990 than after when it was.

NYC is not dead, old/er people are apathetic.

Posted by D | August 29, 2013 12:59 PM

^dude if you're a character someone created, let me be the first to say: bravo.

If you're an actual person, my god are you fucking stupid.

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 1:16 PM

"^ People who don't post in comments because 90% of what is posted after I post is directed at me."


Oh it's all the people who don't post in the comments. Oh right, sorry, how could i not know that. Wow, you are one fucking delusional guy D.

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 1:42 PM

1:16, You're not the first. There are a lot of people who marvel at D's pretzel logic and have speculated that it's a grad student's linguistics project. If so, he's Andy Kaufman good. More likely is just that D is someone who got kicked off the B9 messageboards and trolls this one because the B9 won't let him back on... and he's therefore very very angry.

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 1:43 PM

"NYC is not dead, old/er people are apathetic." - D


NO SPIRITUAL SURRENDER!!

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 1:55 PM

1:43 Bullshit fuck the B9 I have never posted on there fuck xtimx, hellyesicheated, the DBD guy, and anyone else who moderates that board.

Wishful thinking on your part.

Posted by D | August 29, 2013 2:14 PM

Is D Teddy Boy Greg?

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 2:30 PM

looks like 143 hit a nerve, eh?

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 2:32 PM

mmmm pretzels

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 2:34 PM

^ Hardly. People saying I'm a B9 exile is an theory that's old and worn out like your mom's or girlfriend's pussy.

Looks like you're another bitch on my dick, eh?

'Watching "Strange Brew" again, eh?

Posted by D | August 29, 2013 2:37 PM

Strange Brew is a great movie.

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 2:40 PM

This movie was shot in 3B - three beers - and it looks good, eh?

Posted by Bob McKenzie | August 29, 2013 2:41 PM

"Looks like you're another bitch on my dick, eh?"

Mr. Delusional at it again. Where are all your supporters D. Cmon you have tons of fans here. They can't all be the silent majority. Let's see some step up and speak well of you.

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 2:46 PM

^ No it don't eh?

I love it - now I got a Canadian in the mix.

MORE!

Posted by D | August 29, 2013 2:48 PM

D, do you ever think about killing yourself?

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 3:03 PM

^ No. Stay classy, you fucking lowlife.

Posted by D | August 29, 2013 3:10 PM

Lowlife? But, I'm drinking the High Life

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 3:19 PM

D, you're such a fucking dick-rider. Fuck you man!

p.s. Do you want to make out?

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 3:19 PM

D you want some of my high life so you don't feel like a low life?

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 3:53 PM

^ No, but you can have some of my life so you don't feel like a no-life which is what you are.

Posted by D | August 29, 2013 4:05 PM

Ha... The whiny bitch comment got someone feeling defensive.

Then the next dozen posts is that person embodying all manner of whiny bitchdom.

Glad I checked back. Always good for a chuckle.

You don't work, do you?
Hahahaha

Posted by CRACKA | August 29, 2013 4:14 PM

Cracka some of these fucks work, some don't.

Many don't because look at all the whiny bitches who dog me at every turn.

You are receiving the least of it if any at all outside of the landlord guy. I can absorb all this shit, it's all good.


Posted by D | August 29, 2013 4:34 PM

D, do you suck dick for a living? Is your asshole ragged and torn?

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 5:04 PM

^ Do I do what you do? No. My asshole isn't ragged and torn like yours.

Get off the streets soon.

Posted by D | August 29, 2013 5:22 PM

^ My purple prince shirt ordered on ebay came in yesterday. Its the musicology tour 2004, front says prince- its fucking purple. Look out for me on the streets D.

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 7:03 PM

Can we all simply have a more civilized discussion here about hummus and phytonutrients?

Posted by Anonymous | August 29, 2013 7:46 PM

Actually, back in the early 80's I used to frequent a club and my favorite dancer Cindy and I had a thing where I would always put my dollar in the strap of her high heel...she always presented her foot to me in a 'most' erotic fashion..!..All the guyz used to look at me and marvel!!!...at least that's what I thought when I turned around to look at them...hahaha...:)O(:..

Posted by Autumn | December 17, 2013 11:16 AM

Who's that guy? Omg

Posted by Juan | January 27, 2014 12:35 PM

If this is true, this is great news! I'm just sorry all the staff have undoubtedly moved on.

Posted by Ethan | January 30, 2014 3:20 AM

Really sad, i spend there a lot of time with a lots of girls:D

Posted by Braxton | May 9, 2014 6:38 AM

wonderful music - Thank jou !

Posted by Madeline | May 21, 2014 12:42 PM

Continue to resist this big bandwidth circle jerk of a generation whos flagrant consumption and digital masturbation is flushing culture and daddy's plastic down the toilet. It makes me very nervous and makes me wonder if good music will be totally forced to the underground because I cant imagine any self

Posted by acompanhantessp | June 29, 2014 6:19 PM

they won't be able to get some punk ass diner food in a shit hole in the Village. Reality bites dudes.

Posted by arcondicionado | July 23, 2014 12:22 AM

my life so you don't feel like a no-life which is what you are.

Posted by Bazar Imobiliario | July 23, 2014 8:10 AM

It's owned by the diner next door.

Posted by Parana Compressores | July 23, 2014 1:57 PM

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