Posted in music on September 23, 2013

Offensive Weapon, offensive indeed, at Acheron - 9/21/13
Offensive Weapon

Brooklyn punk/metal venue Acheron faced some controversy over the weekend when they booked an Oi! skinhead show with Oxblood, Offensive Weapon, Stormwatch, The Wolverines, and Maddog Surrender on Saturday (9/21). Certain events that took place at the show prompted the venue to apologize to their regulars. A Facebook post from the venue reads:

It's 2013 and this should not have to be said, but let it be known that the Acheron has no patience or sympathy for any form of intolerance or fascism. The bullshit debate over Death in June is nothing compared to the unfortunate surprise we were presented with tonight. To any regulars that felt they needed to leave, please accept our apologies and know that more vetting will be done on all future shows.
In the comments they continue:
To be clear: this is not directed at the promoters of the show, but at a certain segment of the crowd who made my patrons and staff uncomfortable, and me as well.

...No one was out of line and the crowd was generally very polite and under control. I have no personal issue with anyone at the show and certainly not with the promoters. As a promoter myself for nearly 20 years. I am certainly sympathetic and understanding. Nonetheless, when a member of the crowd says to my door person "you don't get to talk to me. You're not even white". I have a responsibility to address that.

...I just want my regulars and those that see offensive things posted on the internet to know that we do not support the views espoused by some members of the crowd last night and would rather not, at the end of the day, be party to those who would literally wear intolerance on their sleeve. As a business owner, I will always be polite and treat customers with respect. However, I would rather not invite customers that would alienate other customers.

The show was initially kept somewhat of a secret; Acheron never listed the show on their Facebook or website, and didn't even reference any details in their apology. The venue and address are even absent from the show's Facebook event on the label's site and from the flyer. The show is practically non-Googleable, and in a YouTube video we found of Offensive Weapon's set at the show (which also doesn't list the name of the venue), the singer (at 5:50) mentions that they kept the show a secret because of their "friends in the Antifa" who they then dedicate a song called "Yellow Journalist" to.

Antifa is an anti-fascism group who makes it a point to try and shut down shows they believe include bands with fascist beliefs (like Death in June for instance). Members of Offensive Weapons and/or their associates have been pictured wearing Anti-Antifa shirts (not to mention red suspenders). According to record label, Pure Impact, Offensive Weapon are "one of THE non-PC American skinhead bands of the moment, tough Oi! with a touch of hardcore, true heirs to the old Youth Defense League style." But according to some, "All 'no politics' means for these lowlifes is: boneheads welcome."

Regarding the political or non-political motives of the bands on the bill, in response to the venue's Facebook status, Heidi Cavegurl Witmann (self proclaimed girlfriend of Oxblood's drummer) commented:

Seriously? There WERE NO NAZI BANDS THERE LAST NIGHT...there was a mixed crowd there and a few with opposing viewpoints and sure, I saw a few white power skins there...but I actually had a GREAT time last night, as ALMOST everyone was on their best behavior...funny that it seemed like it was the "ladies" who caused the only real ruckus. Fuckin sad...I actually dug the Acheron and it's staff until this thread. This is just another reason why I don't even make it out to see my own boyfriend drum for Oxblood. I have known them all for years and and this racist talk about any of those bands is so fucking tired already. I don't date or cohort with racists and I certainly don't stay commited to one for 13 years. I went to see our best friends (Frank and Val Bruno) come from Texas and to see and hear some kickass Rock and Roll...oh yea...and to watch my man kick some ass on the drums!! FUCK THE POLITICS and enough with the bogus racist hype already! Sheesh...way to ruin a gurl's night out. Ug.
Two videos from the show in question can be watched below...






Comments (536)

hipsters be catchin mad feelings up on BV lately

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 6:35 PM

this snafu is not really of any concern to the hummus community.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 6:50 PM

I love the Acheron, but why wasn't the show listed on facebook or their website as an upcoming event? That just really seems the most odd to me, hiding something?

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 6:50 PM

well, Acheron certainly handled their statement with a lot more integrity than Todd P did after Cold Cave at 285

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 6:51 PM

let them hide something so the people that want to know, find out and get to go without anyone being harassed. peace is really just keeping the folks that don't like each other...apart.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 6:53 PM

no offense but that is some of the worst music I have ever heard in my life. "kick some ass on the drums". fuckin guy has the skills of a 10 year old. the whole crowd must be deaf cause this shit is awful.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 6:55 PM

what does it really mean to be "non-PC" though? hmm...

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 6:57 PM

when your record label is slinging "music" by a band like brutal attack it makes you wonder what kind of affiliations you keep

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:03 PM

I'm willing to bet 99% of the people walking by this show probably thought it was a gay club.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:03 PM

Stormwatch at the Acheron? Really??? Whoever booked this should be fired. THEY ARE A NAZI BAND.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:04 PM

lol yes, trying to shut down shows by bands whose politics you don't like is totally anti-fascist!

Posted by A Non | September 23, 2013 7:06 PM

@6:55 you aren't offending anyone, its a well-known fact that bonehead racists can't carry a tune to save a (white) life.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:07 PM

This would never happen in manhattan

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:10 PM

@7:03 hahahaha

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:12 PM

was working the BangOn afterparty across the street and stopped into anchored inn to get food. had to tell my fellow israeli friends to stop speaking hebrew and watch their back. fight nearly broke out at the front door of anchored inn around 1am. shitty scene.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:14 PM

^ it's comments like the one above that make me wish brooklynvegan comments had a like button - excellent...

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:18 PM

most offensive part is the venue trying to hide the fact they booked the show in the first place...and then acting innocent when it became an issue. fuck that place.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:21 PM

Antifa sound more facist than any of these bands. Repressive cunts.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:23 PM

hillbillies doing hillbilly shit

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:24 PM

Punk ain't no religious cult
Punk means thinking for yourself
You ain't hardcore cos you spike your hair
When a jock still lives inside your head

Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks-Fuck Off!

Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks-Fuck Off!

If you've come to fight, get outa here
You ain't no better than the bouncers
We ain't trying to be police
When you ape the cops it ain't anarchy

Ten guys jump one, what a man
You fight each other, the police state wins
Stab your backs when you trash our halls
Trash a bank if you've got real balls

You still think swastikas look cool
The real nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In a real fourth reich you'll be the first to go

You'll be the first to go
You'll be the first to go
You'll be the first to go
Unless you think

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:24 PM

can't say that all the bands that performed that night have fascist leanings (although it does seem that a couple of them have highly questionable histories), but for acheron to claim ignorance with regard to the crowd that would be present that night is kind of weak, especially since it wasn't publicized anywhere. why not?

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:27 PM

keep these filthy people out of brooklyn. unless you want your business to suffer, that is

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:29 PM

I was at this show. To say this was a white power show is ridiculous. None of the bands that played were racist bands. The crowd was made up of a diverse group of people from all ethnic backgrounds (black, white, hispanic, asian, indian). There was virtually no violence, and the violence that was there was certainly not racially motivated. The venue knew they were booking this show, they definitely had no problem taking the money out of my hand for the many beers myself and my friends consumed, as well as the money we paid to get into the show. The bands received basically NO PAY for the show and did not complain as everyone had an amazing time. Why do you "nazi hunters" go after any band that loves this country and is willing to sing about it? Wonder why bands sing about "yellow journalists"? Report the truth, seriously...

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 7:57 PM

Holy shit, this was written by such a nerd.

Are you seriously calling out "red suspenders" for being sketchy, complete with photo of dude wearing them along with a t-shirt of a band that had a black singer for a long time? The colors of shoelaces and braces don't mean shit except that they may or may not match one's outfit. How embarrassing for you to bring that up like a 15 year old ska nerd sleuth in 1996.

With that said- fuck this whole scene and what it has become. Flirting with being boneheads is absolute bullshit.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:05 PM

Anyone who has a problem with this show is against free speech and freedom of artistic expression.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:05 PM

This is bullshit. Boycott the Acheron.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:10 PM

I know you hipsters like to revive old stuff, but white power oi? That's cold.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:11 PM

Boycott the Acheron? Who is the Nazi?? I think you need to respect the freedoms of our country that allow artists the right to play music and expresses their beliefs.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:16 PM

I don't trust anyone who writes with excessive use of ellipses.

This "girlfriend of Oxblood's drummer" should fuck off, is what I'm getting at.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:17 PM

@8:16 acheron is a private establishment, they don't have to let anyone in the world play just because of free speech. i'm sure these nazis could have found somewhere else to play but acheron decided to make money off this hate.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:20 PM

at least these guys are choosy -- Satan hates everybody

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:25 PM

I think the regular white patrons of this bar were offended by all the minorities that showed up for this show

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:39 PM

Wait . . . Oxblood's drummer likes girls?
I call bullshit.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:40 PM

So damn hurl anonymous insults isn't it? Pussys

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:49 PM

There weren't any nazis at this show. There was even a brown klown doing magic tricks between sets!

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:52 PM

Brooklyn Young Republicans

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:53 PM

I was so offended by the audience of this concert I had to go around the corner and cry in the rain :(

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 8:55 PM

You niggahs is gay!

Posted by Adolf Hitler | September 23, 2013 9:01 PM

Why wasn't there an uproar when an anti American band 'HARD SKIN' played there on sept. 11?

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:02 PM

So, I'm confused...I have been a life long vegetarian/vegan who has volunteered for animal causes all my life and I have a Hispanic husband...I was at this show. You turds are calling me a Nazi?

Posted by Kristin Montiel | September 23, 2013 9:05 PM

An oi band that recorded most of their songs with a black singer played to an audience that was half Latino, probably the most racially diverse crowd that place has ever had. Fascism!

Posted by Milö | September 23, 2013 9:05 PM

No bands on this line up were nazis you ill informed idiots. I like how you get all butt hurt and call everyone a nazi, except the real nazi bands. You're just looking for a boogeyman. And your hairy armpit women are probably groupies for offensive weapon and stormwatch. Their vocalists are fucking hot and more man then the internet muscles you hipsters keep flexing.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:09 PM

Who cares? Most of the people who live in these neighborhoods are affluent and could give 1/2 a fuck about this hillbilly scene an it's politics. Take it to some shit hole neighborhood in Long Island or Rockland county or something.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:16 PM

White people are sad.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:17 PM


Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:17 PM

I hope there's an article on the next crust punk show at the acheron exposing all the patrons for hating america! Wait thats acceptable but being patriotic is a crime. Sick world we live in when a show attended by such a presence of diverse ethnicities is labeled a nazi show. Whos the real nazis?

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:18 PM

Hipsters gettin scared

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:19 PM

Only one market within a thousand miles in either direction supports this kind of dribble.

Posted by NYC | September 23, 2013 9:27 PM

I'd be very surprised if a band called Stormwatch aren't racist.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:28 PM

I'd be very surprised if you weren't a total pussy^

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:30 PM

Id be very surprised if you arent a complete piece of shit.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:31 PM

Storm chasers are the biggest nazis of them all.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:31 PM

Damn beat me

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:32 PM

I love watching white people cry about racism (which this show was not for the record) Don't you think people who are not white can fight for themselves and they don't need you to feel sorry for them?

Posted by Shaun | September 23, 2013 9:32 PM

Where were all you tough guys on Saturday night? Lot of talk, no action.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:33 PM

They were a side project of a band called Severe Weather Warning. Total bonerheads

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:35 PM

9:28 here -- some quick research reveals that despite the Nazi sounding name the band is not racist.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:36 PM

Oh thank god, I nearly shit myself^

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:39 PM

One can always just see what they have to say for themselves:

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:39 PM

Did screwdriver play this concert too?

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:40 PM

Red Suspenders we're spotted. Bill Ricio wore red suspenders. Nuff ced.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:40 PM

Next ISD memorial show will be at the acheron. 1488

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:40 PM

Read what 9:39 posted. These guys sound like morons.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:45 PM


Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:46 PM

I'd be very surprised if...
we ever hear anything about this event, these bands ever again.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:47 PM

You are all idiots. Stormwatch didn't play

Posted by Tim | September 23, 2013 9:48 PM

Hard mods unite!

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:49 PM

Stormwatch didn't play this show, they were playing in Japan this weekend with BFG......duh!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:50 PM

Hahaha some of these bands been around over 20 years 9:47 you faggot

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:51 PM

That Stormwatch interview was from 19 years ago in a now defunct skinzine. Who knows how they feel now. They were broken up for some time before reforming. Besides. All this talk about them. Do any of you journalist even realize THEY NEVER PLAYED THE SHOW? You have your sources so accurate you dont even realize they didnt play. Pretty credible research there guys. Offensive Weapon did play and did make anti antifa comments from the stage. I guess this qualifies them for the aryan hall of fame by your standards.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:53 PM

Are there any vegans out there who aren't gay?

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:54 PM

Its was refreshing to see such a multi cultural crowd at the archeron for once - i am so sick of being the only brown guy there

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:55 PM

My chillwave band is called 'A Light Rain'.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 9:57 PM

Antifa cowardice as usual. Bunch of crusading, do nothing clowns who have so much guts from behind a computer screen but when confronted have fuck all to say. See you at the "Swamp" soon motherfuckers

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:02 PM

Let me get this straight. The crowd was mostly polite, there was no violence, and vastly multicultural crowd as well. What exactly is the issue here?

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:07 PM

Someone said something mean to the door person. CALL THE FEDS!!!!!!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:10 PM

What's Oil music?

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:18 PM

I bet all these guys are from Long Island and work at the local Shop Rite in the produce dept.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:20 PM

Stormwatch was named after an album by a nazi band called Jethro Tull.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:21 PM

Oi! music is a mix between gangster rap, reggae and punkrock. Greenday was the first Oi band.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:30 PM

I bet you have an art history degree and work in a coffee shop 10:20

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:35 PM

fighting accused fascism with more blatant fascism. way to go brooklyn!

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:36 PM

Remember when Brooklyn was the coolest borough?

Posted by o/ | September 23, 2013 10:44 PM

Where's the Warzone women at?

Posted by RAybeez | September 23, 2013 10:46 PM

"Yo Ray ain't in the fucking studio"

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:52 PM

Haha, the hipsters from Portland and Idaho are telling a bunch of city kids from the Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn to "go back to Long Island". Cute.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 10:52 PM

Lot of pussies in this thread. I almost wish they would try this shit at da bowl.

Posted by Tom | September 23, 2013 11:05 PM

^ No, you're not a nazi, kristen. You're just an idiot.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 11:05 PM

Paul Burnley Is The Real Public Enemy!

Posted by I Went To The Acheron And All I Got Was This Shitty RAC Shirt | September 23, 2013 11:14 PM

88 to all Amerikkan skinhead from Malaysia.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 11:16 PM

Proof that there were Nazi skinheads at the Acheron on Saturday.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 11:18 PM

I don't know whats more funny, all the trolls clownin around or the few people on here that are serious and responding to this ridiculous article.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 11:23 PM

The Real bands you have to worry about in the NYC area are Venganza Tatuada, Klase Dirigente and Combate 49. They definately have an agenda...

Posted by United Oi | September 23, 2013 11:28 PM

Remember that time Acheron made an update apologizing for the "fascist event" that was currently going on....and then quickly changing it to how it was actually just a couple audience members who said something racist to their ALL-WHITE staff?

Posted by Acheron FTW! | September 23, 2013 11:34 PM

Heres The Training Fight Video. They plan on taking over NYC and Brooklyn!

Posted by Combate 49 | September 23, 2013 11:35 PM

I heard that racist band storm troopers of death were gonna be special guests and play speak English or die. But canceled when they discovered the band oxblood has previous members of color. Just wasn't racist enough for them.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 11:37 PM

I'm the King of the Skinheads. Here to cleanse the scene. Get in my way and you'll find out.

Posted by Steve Hooli | September 23, 2013 11:38 PM

Remember that time when Acheron had more mixed races and ethnicities in their bar than their normal all white staff and regulars that go there? Worst Nazis ever!!

Posted by Acheron FTW | September 23, 2013 11:41 PM

I heard Ian Stuart Donaldson even made an appearance at the Acheron. Of course he had to take a taxi...seeing as how he can't drive and all.

Posted by cwutididthar | September 23, 2013 11:46 PM

First off, @BV and all commenters: I would like to sincerely thank you for making music fans across Central Europe feel that we’re not the only part of the world whose venues are still dealing with the tired politics of a dismal subgenre whose relevance ended decades ago. This piece is New York’s kindest gift to Central Europe since the ironic mullet.

@9:39pm, I took your advice and read what Stormwatch have to say in their own words.

Stormwatch’s platform appears to be primarily a self-esteem-building program for disenfranchised aggressive working class drunks of remarkably low intelligence. That’s adorable.

However. There’s no avoiding the fact that skinhead Oi! as a genre has always had a higher proportion of overtly Nazi musicians, and a higher proportion of overtly Nazi music fans, than any genre of music in modern history except for the actual music of Nazi Germany. Stormwatch appear to be not actual Nazis, but people who have enough common ground with Nazis that they will attract a Nazi audience.

That’s what inevitably happens when a skinhead band offers allegedly non-political agenda of “drink beer”, “beat people up”, make sure “faggots... stay in the closet”, “give and take violence in order for our traditions to survive”, and resist a government that is “is bombarding us with fags” and their “communist health care plan.” They will draw a disproportionately Nazi audience. Most European venues are not comfortable with that; maybe New York is more postmodern cool about it, I dunno.

Posted by Anonymní | September 23, 2013 11:51 PM

(even anti-racist )skinheads suck.

stupid clothes.
stupid politics.
stupid haircuts.
stupid oi music.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 11:55 PM

Post modern cool. That sounds cool. Like postmodern art. Hope you don't work at a coffee shop.

Posted by Anonymous | September 23, 2013 11:58 PM

watch out guys the Brooklyn anti fa are in training

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:00 AM

11:55 exactly. Excuse me if I'm not interested in the subtle nuances of this retard culture.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:02 AM

I don't think this oi show was intended for those who aren't interested in the music. It's simple. If you don't like the music or the culture don't go! I can say a lot of shit music in and around NYC. You won't find me hanging out at places I don't care for. Especially complaining about them. It's not that difficult. Just mind your own business and keep your nose out of the things that don't interest you.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:05 AM

When I come back, no more Mr.Niceguy - A. Hitler

Posted by Bill Riccio | September 24, 2013 12:07 AM

I'm more pissed off Bearhug didn't play this gig, what better way to bash the fash than take it from gash ..

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:29 AM

@12:05 LOL but so many of us find you funny. Americans dressing up as 1960s working class Brits dressing up as Desmond Dekker, and shouting about tradition while playing 1980s punk tunes. Also, we can’t point and laugh at you on the street for this, because ten of your buttock-headed buddies would beat us up. So, internet.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:31 AM


Posted by George Zimmerman | September 24, 2013 12:40 AM

antifa always has the numbers, but never the fortitude. Skinheads: Always outnumbered, Never outgunned.

Posted by Slim Wilson | September 24, 2013 12:49 AM

Disposable that people are into Heavy Metal. The whole genre inbreeds racism and hate

Posted by D | September 24, 2013 12:50 AM

offensive weapon singer arresting officer t shirt ?

Posted by anonyme | September 24, 2013 4:38 AM

It's funny. I was standing by my car out front when a younger orthodox jewish man and his friend walked by me and most of my band mates. We all stepped out of their way and let them pass. I know that, to some one who doesnt know anything about the scene, the crowed would look like something off. Having been a man with friends of many creeds and someone of consideration for others, I made sure to say hello. After they got half way down the block and turned around and passed us again, I wished them a good evening and good health. Its sad to see that a jew felt so scared outside the venue. No one threatened them and we were more than polite. I could have even spoken hebrew if needed. This show had many people of many different backgrounds, all being pro american pride. I personally didnt see attempts to threaten anyone. I certainly made attempts to do the opposite. I have no hate against race, only hate for bull shit, and I feel most of the assumptions made in this thread are from whites anyway. Its sad to see how many people dont even care to research what they back, they simply want to be a part of something. Whether youre allied with nazism or some antifa supporter, its still hating someone for what they believe or are. Not trying to support, but at least the white power guys realize they are full of hate. Sad situation and outcome. This should have never been an issue.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 4:38 AM

Damn i missed that show.

Posted by Boyd Rice | September 24, 2013 4:50 AM

Me too. :(

Posted by Wesley Eisold | September 24, 2013 4:51 AM

should have booked my husband's band Stiff Little Weiner

Posted by huma abedin | September 24, 2013 5:09 AM

Fuck the Acheron they support the fascism! Go to shows at the swamp we may not have a real bar and bedbugs but we have anarchist morals! Viva la raza!

Posted by Chris (A)Truth | September 24, 2013 6:35 AM

WOW! Thats so cool dudes!

Posted by Computadores Bogota | September 24, 2013 6:51 AM

Are a bunch of dirty hippy/hipsters clowns trying to talk about how skinheads culture is stupid? Take a look in the mirror jerkoff. Bunch of 130 lb suburban white kids from middle America who claim NYC as their home, now telling everyone else how to live their lives. Talk about fascism...

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 7:27 AM

Next Oi show is going to be packed with hipsters all waiting to see what might happen.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 7:35 AM

What the difference between a skinhead and an onion?

You don't cry when cutting a skinhead.

Posted by Jordan Worley | September 24, 2013 7:55 AM

If the Acheron is truly "apologizing" for having this show, I challenge them to donate every single dollar they made (which must be in the thousands) to the oppressed minority group of their choice. If they truly want to stand behind their beliefs they should happily donate all the proceeds without question. They took my money very quickly and happily when I bought drinks at the show, even though I was wearing boots and braces! Thank you for standing up against oppression, we look forward to hearing which charity you will be choosing. Thanks in advance, Acheron!

Posted by Kev Turner | September 24, 2013 8:02 AM

I was at the bookshop just round the corner from Acheron that evening. Can any of you, skinheads OR hipsters, seriously justify this kind of behaviour?

Posted by Dylan | September 24, 2013 8:22 AM

wonder if/when BV will stop posting all this metal CRAP. what was once an alternative music blog has (not-so-slowly) morphed into a pigsty of death metal and garbage "music."

it's unreal that in 2013 this absolute cultureless aberration of the music scene gets ANY play at all, let alone gets prominently featured on BV.

maybe time to start a new site?

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 8:24 AM

Gay shit.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 9:02 AM


Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 9:38 AM

Rock Against Crybabies

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 9:50 AM

hey 8:02....white people perhaps? :-)

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 9:50 AM

I am a regular patron of The Acheron, and was caught way off guard by this show that seemed to come together out of nowhere. I felt uncomfortable, and intimidated the entire time. There were even people wearing capes? I didn't know that skinheads were into LARP! Any way, here's some cell phone footage I captured of some of the hate last Saturday....

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 9:58 AM

Brooklynvegan, I haven't been to a concert in a while so I am unfamiliar with which bands are approved and which aren't - I am going to see superchunk this weekend, I will not be supporting fascism and nazis by going will I?

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:01 AM

Yeah i'm full of hate...for fascism. pro-american pride? sounds like white nationalism to me. they should gather all the nazis in a "boom town" and carpet bomb the place.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:10 AM


Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:11 AM


Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:17 AM

Did anybody see the painted faced Juggalos that were there and breakdancing outside of the pit? That has to be the strangest thing I've seen in 10 years.

Posted by David | September 24, 2013 10:21 AM

I saw the Juggalos and they were pouring some kind of soda all over the skinheads.

Posted by Karyn | September 24, 2013 10:25 AM

You say you "felt uncomfortable and intimidated", I say good. Maybe if you'd allowed your balls to descend you might have had a good time.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:34 AM

I was there. The mean skinheads stole my granola and forced me to eat a cheeseburger! How could this happen in 2013?

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:35 AM

"Brooklyn Young Republicans" LOL

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:36 AM

Remember that time a bunch of skinheads had a non political, non racist concert with no violence and everybody freaked out?

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:38 AM

Remember when hipster ruined NYC?

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:41 AM

I wish R.A.S.H. (Robots Against Skin Heads) had shown up to be a voice for machines battling for those unskilled dock jobs.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:45 AM

That'd never happen. We kicked RASH of NYC and you're next pussy boy

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:48 AM

I was there. It was intensely erotic.

Posted by Morrissey | September 24, 2013 10:52 AM

How come the big bad Antifa didn't come out Saturday and "smash the fascists"? Probably waiting for Monday afternoon do they can make bogus assumptions and blog about it

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:53 AM

@10:53 I thought the reason Antifa didn't come out was that you begged the organizers to keep the show secret....

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:58 AM

This Sunday, brunch at The Archeron.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 11:11 AM

Sunday it is! Bring yer tools, we'll show you who the real skinheads are.

(says one of the majority of people in this thread who are not even remotely connected with skinhead culture and find you all hilarious. Enjoy your brunch, and don't forget to post footage on here afterwards.)

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 11:18 AM

What's the best thing about being a skinhead?

You've got your outfit picked out every morning.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 11:20 AM

Ahh, Skinheads. The #PoorAndStupid of society.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 11:34 AM

What's the best thing about being a hipster? Just wear the same smelly clothes everyday and a neck scarf no matter what the temperature is

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 11:35 AM

Is Offensive Weapon gluten free?

Posted by Josh Grant | September 24, 2013 11:39 AM

I am the owner and booker of the club and would like to address this article and the concerns voiced by the commenters. I did not book the lineup for this show. A friend I mine asked me to host a show as a favor. Upon repeatedly asking for details about the show and being skirted about such details, I was still under no impression that this was the show or crowd I would have had to deal with. Needless to say, when my sound man called me in the middle of dinner on Saturday and asked me to come in. I and my partner ran as fast as we could to keep a handle on this.

It is really easy for commenters to say how I should have ejected the crowd immediately, but from my position it was not so easy. We are a small club and bar with little recourse if someone decided I was antagonizing them. This is especially true when people roll so thick. Additionally, having the police deal with the situation only puts me at odds with the nypd. That is no more desirable. We reached the decision that we had to swallow our distaste and ride out the evening, hoping for an evening with no major problems. Thank goodness there were none.

However. I am personally and professionally embarrassed that this crowd filled up my bar on a weekend night. As a mixed race person with a mixed race wife/partner, I have absolutely no patience for the sentiments I saw literally worn on people's sleeves. I know certainly that my regulars feel the same, and so I felt, and still feel a responsibility to apologize and assure the community that I will be more diligent and more forceful about checking bands and their followings out ahead of time.

I say again: I was not aware that oxblood was playing. I was not aware that I would have to worry about a fence walking or worse crowd. And for that say sincerely that in the future I will be aware and will not make a repeat of this situation. Anyone who wishes to call me any sort of name or make disparaging remarks about me or my bar is simply missing the point.

Thank you for understanding, and I hope to see you at any of our future shows.

Yours in love and acceptance
Bill Dozer
The Acheron

Posted by The Acheron | September 24, 2013 11:40 AM


Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 11:41 AM

I'll pray for all of you.

Posted by Ollie Andrews | September 24, 2013 11:42 AM

the most biggest problem in the world right now is definitely dudes with shaved heads wearing outfits and singing songs

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 11:59 AM

I bet if Jimmy G and some of his pals were here, they would of delivered a beating. I'd hope Jimmy/Toby would bust out their canes again, as they did to that racist redneck in front of CBGB's a while back.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:02 PM

Post Script:

I like to 69 trannies.

Yours in love and acceptance
Bill Dozer
The Acheron

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:02 PM

dumbass white people on all sides

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:04 PM

How long until these guys drop the skinhead part of their identity and become the working class drunks they were destined to be?

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:09 PM

I'm confused, Bill Dozer, what about all of the comments here that say the show was full of various ethnicities and everyone behaved? From those comments it sounds like a regular show that attracted a few bad apples, so what can you do, stand at the door and actually turn away individuals who don't pass muster? Or are the people commenting in this thread lying?

Still haven't gotten an answer about superchunk either, are they antifat? Am I endorsing hate if I see them this weekend?

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:09 PM

@11:40 Mr Dozer,
Damn sorry to hear that, man. Sounds like you got genuinely tricked there, and did everything you could in the circumstances. Respect to you for your work in keeping live music happening.

@Brooklyn Vegan,
Assuming it's legit, how about moving Mr Dozer's comment to the main article? This thread is well on its way to becoming the internet's funniest cesspool of trolls and fucktards of all stripes, and it would be a shame to derail it by having sensible comments at this point.

Posted by I Fear Vegans Because Of Hitler | September 24, 2013 12:11 PM

We taking over!! 100% Latin power!
Klase Dirigente!!

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:12 PM

skinheads = not a real problem

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:15 PM

Jesus Christ this thing has been blown so far out of proportion. Accusing Oxblood of being racist is ridiculous. They had a black singer for about 10 years and there bass player is Puerto Rican. The promoters didn't invite any of the so called undesirables to this show but they had no way of turning them away either. Or perhaps they couldve but would most likely resulted in an all out brawl and your bar being smashed to bits. I was in attendance and can say that there were whites, Latinos, Jewish, asian and everything in between. And yet there was no violent outbursts. This isn't nearly as big a deal as you all want to make this out to be. Another case of guilty by association, witch hunting, and ignorance by your "regulars" and yourselves.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:34 PM

I like white people.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:40 PM

back in my day, if there were boneheads in the crowd, it wasn't tolerated. apathy is weird thing.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:48 PM

white people want this to be what racism looks like, because it's easy to deal with

in real life racism is a lot more complicated than guys in matching outfits being bigoted

about this kind of shit... most black people just roll their eyes

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:49 PM

So basically because of the actions of few people, youre judging everyone in attendance. Sounds like prejudice to me

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:56 PM

^agreed. Bill Dozer sounds more like he wants to get up on a soapbox more than plaything else. He comes across more like the 'problem' more so than the one he thinks he has, but really exists pretty much in his head.

Much ado about nothing.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 12:57 PM

Bill, I hope everybody boycotts your lame ass venue, not because of the show, but because of your sniveling apologist idiocy in the aftermath of it. You let it go on, you profited on it, stop trying to suck up to your dissappointed "regulars" and be a fucking man about it.
You being a crybaby about the show online pissed off more people than the show ever would have. Barely anybody would've known you let the show go on if you didn't try to very publicly backpedal about the whole thing and turn this all into a big thing, but keep digging yourself into a deeper ditch, dickhead.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 1:07 PM

What kind of venue books a show without knowing who the bands are or doing research into who is playing (particularly on a Saturday night)? I call bullshit. I think the venue knew very well they were having a skinhead show (and a secret one at that), and then when their regulars, staff, and neighbors got upset, they back-peddled to save face. And if it's not BS, then that's just sad and pathetic.

Also bullshit is the owner coming on here and singling out a particular band, which contradicts previous statements from the venue saying the whole issue was just over some audience members.

Posted by Woody | September 24, 2013 1:09 PM

Jajajajajajajajajajajaja i go there often an apparantly red and punk know me and saw me by my self and none of them never did shit they all a bunch of retard
Bum ass retard drink two beers and dont have money for the third one !

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 1:17 PM

Somethings just not right about this.
I'm still boycotting this place and suggest you all do the same.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 1:19 PM


If I was you, I would call out your "friend" by name on here.

The one who asked you personally for the booking, who was evasive when you were "repeatedly asking for details about the show", but who you gave the booking to anyway, presumably because you trusted him on a personal level.

Sounds like this "friend" fucked you good and proper. You'd be well within your rights to name him on a public forum for that. It would be appropriate revenge, and the knuckleheads would have a legitimate scalp to bay for.

Just sayin'.

Posted by Most skinheads are impotent because of chemotherapy | September 24, 2013 1:28 PM

It couldn't have been a white power show, Travis wasn't there.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 1:34 PM

but the first skrewdriver album was awesome

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 1:43 PM

1:28 doubt he names him. I get the impression that Bill Dozer is somewhat full of shit.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 1:44 PM

Who gives a fuck about this event?
Some bands played a fucking show.
Dozer I've always liked your spot
but these public apologies, similar to Todd P's,
are weak as fuck.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 1:48 PM

^ is that supposed to be Haiku? Try this:
Skinheads like to yell.
Some are way mean to doormen.
Acheron am dumb.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 1:52 PM

Andrew WK never apologized for the Nazis that played his club.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 1:58 PM

I don't remember Webster Hall issuing any apologies when that crazed Nazi, Harley Flanagan, ate bath salts and stabbed people.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 2:05 PM

Okay, it’s time to confess everything.

Brooklyn Vegan booked this show as part of their ongoing mission to interest hipsters in genres of music that have been utterly stagnant for decades. They told me it would be cool. They told me lots of people would talk about it, and Oi! would become the new antifolk.

The “bands” were all in on it; most of them are actually Slovenian absurdists working on a long-term performance art project to deconstruct the myth of white supremacy by playing the roles of inexplicably proud cretins with extremely limited musical abilities.

Most of the audience weren’t in on it, because, y’know, they’re skinheads and this is complicated. But two years from now, when you’ve all ironically shaved your heads, you’ll get this, trust me.

Yours in love and acceptance,

Bill Acheron
The Dozer

Posted by Will The Real Horst Wessel Please Stand Up | September 24, 2013 2:06 PM

This was the the best ISD memorial gig ever i hear. I was busy eating chipotle.

Posted by Steve Hooli | September 24, 2013 2:30 PM

Police? For what!? Excuse me officers there are bald headed mean singing about being proud Americans. After I agreed to book them. I am sold out of beer. Lock them up!

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 2:34 PM

If the glove doesn't must acquit

Posted by OJ Simpson | September 24, 2013 2:52 PM

I saw those freaky Juggalo painted face guys down the road slamming Polish vodka. They were screaming some woot woot crap.

Posted by Sharon | September 24, 2013 2:56 PM

we were going to make it out to this aryanfest, but we took a wrong turn at malmedy

Posted by Joachim Peiper | September 24, 2013 3:00 PM

One day the world will know that I was right.

Posted by Steve Hooli | September 24, 2013 3:05 PM

One day the world will know that Brooklyn Vegan wasn't right

Posted by Paul Burnley | September 24, 2013 3:09 PM


Posted by Beaks | September 24, 2013 3:11 PM

The place was very gay friendly A short and portly Latino man in a New Glory shirt gave me the best kiss of my life. I thought he would get mad when i slipped my hand in the back of his pants but he cooed with pleasure.

Posted by Steve Hooli | September 24, 2013 3:11 PM

I need to speak to management of the Archeron because some skinheads broke my nose at this event.

Posted by Geraldo Rivera | September 24, 2013 3:13 PM

There were so many hot guys at that show. I wanted to take the singer of Offensive Weapon in my van so bad!

Posted by Bill Riccio | September 24, 2013 3:16 PM

As many have stated, a bunch of skinheads, many of them of Hispanic(not white) and Asian(also not white for those keeping score) had an invite only show at a venue. There were no fights (other than one girlfight), the venue sold LOTS of drinks, and the audience and bands had fun. No one was stabbed,shot,victimized,or otherwise assaulted. There's an uproar??? For what? And a pathetic apology from the venue owner who profited in the thousands off of this event? Really?

Just because ONE patron was allegedly a dick and said something douchy to the door guy(which if happened was a shit move on that guys part) and a couple of the bars regulars were too uptight and got upset at the mere sight of someone that may not share their love of tofu and Trotsky in "their" bar. This show is now labeled a "Nazi" show.

Oxblood:While very in your face Patriotic, are not Nazi's,even had an Afro American lead singer for years....Google search for images if you don't believe me.

Offensive Weapon: Once again not Nazis, have had Hispanic members, even do one song in Spanish.

Wolverines: not Nazis, just pro America.

If being pro America = being a Nazi to you, then I guess you won't get it. But the reality is that this show had the most multicultural audience that this venue has likely seen in years. Of course many of you won't since someone here still is mentioning Combate 49 as Nazis.... Yep 2 Columbians,a Jew,and a white guy in a band = Nazis. Makes perfect sense to me....

Posted by Brown Klown Kontingent | September 24, 2013 3:17 PM

56 y/o GWM uncut. Did anyone see the hot Puerto Rican guy with the big tits? He had a back pack and was selling stuff out of it. We have a quick rendezvous in the glory in the bathroom. I would like to see him again.


Posted by Missed Connection | September 24, 2013 3:19 PM

This venue should not have accepted money from patrons that made them feel uncomfortable, bullied, bamboozled, or whatever BS excuse the owner is claiming the reason for keeping the show going on is. If they didn't feel comfortable handling individual members they felt shouldn't "be there", then shut it down. But to say you were caught off guard and in a hard place and didn't want to step in yourself as the venue owner because of fear of retaliation and also not want to involve the NYPD, so you took the non-controntational approach and crossed your fingers. Well the NYPD still had a presence but were unneeded as it was a non-event. So what is the point in all the apologizing? You allowed the show to happen, breathed a sigh of relief when nothing eventful happened, but kept all the money. Can't respect it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 3:20 PM

Lion Man would have crushed all these Boneheads!

Posted by Ollie" Jews for Jesus" Andrews | September 24, 2013 3:20 PM

I saw that Puerto Rican guy too! I would pound that shit for the white race.

Posted by Nazi Nick | September 24, 2013 3:22 PM

Guys Im new to this type of music but was Bon Jovi a skinhead too!? Because I'm pretty sure I heard a Bon Jovi cover while the juggalos were wrestling

Posted by Trayvon Martin | September 24, 2013 3:23 PM

I gave a bunch of skinheads AIDS at this show

Posted by Nicky Crane | September 24, 2013 3:23 PM

Fuck you Trayvon. Stay out of Mens Wearhouse!

Posted by George Zimmer | September 24, 2013 3:24 PM

People, people, can we stop with the "Nazi" jibes?

We're in the new, multiculturalist skinhead era, where people of all races can come together and celebrate how much they hate non-Americans, Muslims and anyone to the left of the Michigan Militia.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 3:28 PM

Yea! What was up with that chubby Puerto Rican bloke? Too Cute! We hung out in the bathroom for a bit. Sang "Green Fields of france" and I gave him the best blow job of his life.

Posted by Bill Riccio | September 24, 2013 3:28 PM

I went to this event in search of the Nazis that killed my DEA agent brother in law. I did not see them in the crowd but I had a blast getting drunk and singing along with Offensive Weapon.

Posted by Walter White | September 24, 2013 3:30 PM

Is anyone in contact with Offensive weapon? Do they need a keyboard player? I am quite handy with a piano and a penis ;-)

Posted by Liberace | September 24, 2013 3:30 PM

@Anonymous! Too much of a coward to post your name. I'll have you know the new breed of skins also welcomes those of different sexuality. I suck their throbbing aryan and mud meat daggers for AMERICA!

Posted by Steve Hooli | September 24, 2013 3:33 PM

I got AIDs at this show.

Posted by Plungy | September 24, 2013 3:34 PM

Oi! Oi! Lads! spirit of 1969

Posted by Hard Skin | September 24, 2013 3:34 PM

Will someone on this post let me live on their couch??

Posted by Brazzer | September 24, 2013 3:35 PM

It was a great time, there was horseshoe throwing, pin the tail on the crusty, skinhead charades, and a family friend event. There was also a blonde female there with really nice tits, oof

Posted by Silvio Berlusconi | September 24, 2013 3:37 PM

@Brazzer I saw those pics of you at the show. I am the queen of the scene. Next time I see you at brunch I am going to cut your tits off.

Posted by Jenny Woo | September 24, 2013 3:39 PM

Kangaroos taste good.

Posted by Not John F | September 24, 2013 3:42 PM

I loved when Oxblood played by then all those hot bodies were nice and sweaty. The guy with no shirt on rubbed his hot body all over me. He had a hat that said "88" on it but the only number I can think of with him is 69;-)

please have him call me: 732 598 2119

Posted by Nicky Crane | September 24, 2013 3:43 PM

I loved when Oxblood played by then all those hot bodies were nice and sweaty. The guy with no shirt on rubbed his hot body all over me. He had a hat that said "88" on it but the only number I can think of with him is 69;-)

please have him call me: 732 598 2119

Posted by Nicky Crane | September 24, 2013 3:43 PM

Kangaroos taste good.

Posted by Not John F | September 24, 2013 3:43 PM

If anyone is interested the full story of this show will be in the next book I write that no one buys.

Posted by Tiffini Travis | September 24, 2013 3:46 PM

Nicky Crane.......WE NEED TO TALK!!!!!!

Posted by Plungy | September 24, 2013 3:46 PM

Hi Plungy! Were you the lass at the show with the cape? Would you like to beat me? Put my in a closet and only allow me to pieces of hot dog you slide under the door? Then come in the door and jab be with a sharp stick dipped in your shit?

Posted by Nicky Crane | September 24, 2013 3:49 PM

As a Jewish man, who lives in Brooklyn, I feel, at least, partially responsible for this turn of events. I've been to the Acheron many times and truth be told, I don't tip very well. Now look who they cater to. Oy vey! :(

Posted by Chaim | September 24, 2013 3:49 PM

Haven't been able to get ahold of my mom wills someone message her on plentyoffish?


Posted by Brazzer | September 24, 2013 3:53 PM

@Nicky! Just tried to give you a call mate! I believe a Brazzer answered?

Posted by Hard4U | September 24, 2013 3:59 PM

Hey, fuck The Rookery. Shitty new bar on Troutman. English "pub." Hurry up, Harry, go suck a dick.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 4:10 PM

I like that we've got such an involved discussion going here, but will someone please explain to me what this has to do with the vegan lifestyle?

Posted by SomeVeganPussy | September 24, 2013 4:12 PM

All of the bands that played the show are featured on my label.
We're doing a huge sale.

We also have limited numbers of the new Bully Boys LP as well as some Rock Against Islam t-shirts for sale.

Remember no extreme politics Right or Left at Skinflint.

Posted by Beaks | September 24, 2013 4:22 PM

Offensive Weapon can't be a nazi band their bassist is a Rican dating race traitor!!

Posted by Doug Sloan | September 24, 2013 4:42 PM

Oi oi mates! SKINHEAD 69 ladi bOIs! s.R.E.a.M, Gaytifa unite! :P~~~~~~~

Posted by Mensi Mensforth | September 24, 2013 4:42 PM

Oi! Nicky Crane, you gave Plungy the Aids too? I thought that was your special gift to me, along with cutting your friends brake lines 20 years ago.
You're in trouble, it'll be the gimp box for a week when you get home.

Posted by Roddy_Oppressed | September 24, 2013 4:51 PM

It's not a proppa show until the Shark City Skingirls run it...posers!

Posted by Thai Vespa Skin | September 24, 2013 4:54 PM

Is Nicky Crane the GASH guy?

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 4:54 PM

My major concern was with the number of reptilians that were in attendance. If you look closely at the offensive weapon video you can see the singer is using some sort of mind control through his reptilian eyes.

Posted by Phil Battlecry | September 24, 2013 5:01 PM

Any word on Australian tour? Oi! Oi!

Cheers from Down Under

Posted by Baldy Locks | September 24, 2013 5:02 PM

Was he using his mind control to make you take your shirt off?

Posted by Anon | September 24, 2013 5:03 PM

No I took my shirt off because I was itchy from all the crack rock I smoked with my Juggalo Head homies before the show, WP.

Posted by Phil Battlecry | September 24, 2013 5:07 PM

The voice of Oi! is calling you
With a message that is true
Punky herberts straight and skin
All of you come on in
Cos Oi's for skins and Oi's for punks
It's fun and fury, real urban funk

The voice of Oi is unity
The beat of the street is you and me
United is the thing to be
United against society
Think how strong we can be
United against society

So stick together and see it thru
Strength thru oi is me and you
Let them twist our every word
But we're gonna be heard
Cos oi aint about having a fight
Oi ain't ever about black v. white.

The voice of oi is unity
No them and us just you and me
United is the thing to be
Power to the people not anarchy
Think how strong we will be
United against society

Posted by Gary Johnson | September 24, 2013 5:10 PM

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 5:12 PM

I'm a regular at the Acheron, and I thought it was an OK show. The only unpleasantness I can remember was during Oxblood when the two cute blondes beat up that short stocky ugly dude.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 5:17 PM

I am real skin head from malaysia i am hindu oi oi to all commuists around the world we will rise

Posted by Real Skin Head 69 | September 24, 2013 5:19 PM

lol white people

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 5:22 PM

"real skinhead 69" @ 5:19
You sound like a broken toy, you should come to my tire shop and defy nature with me.

Posted by Bill Riccio 69 | September 24, 2013 5:27 PM

Fuck the 80's

Posted by Oi The Boat | September 24, 2013 5:34 PM

Some of y'all need the Doc Marten Dental Plan.

Posted by OFC | September 24, 2013 5:42 PM

This thread is hilarious.

But can someone clear something up for me?

Does "patriot" mean "We're not Nazis because Nazis were German, and we're American"?


Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 5:44 PM

Reading all these comments made me hungry. Gonna hunt some dear. BRB.

Posted by Ted Nugent | September 24, 2013 5:47 PM

Bill, how the hell are ya? I was just going through some old polaroids of us from when I was still just a young'in. Boy, those were some good times. Let's get together again soon, just for old times sake. I still know my way down to the basement, if ya know what I mean. ;)

Posted by Jesse B | September 24, 2013 5:49 PM

The Juggalo shit was a sight for sore eyes. I never knew they claimed skinhead.

Posted by Mark | September 24, 2013 5:50 PM

This was a show full of everyone from all corners of the world and ethnicities and it is supposed to be called a nazi show? And now people are posting pictures from other shows saying was this one? The Internet is a sad place where people can just change facts and have people believe them

Posted by Johnny | September 24, 2013 5:53 PM

I just hope none of you are illegally downloading music.

Posted by Lars Ulrich | September 24, 2013 5:53 PM

prepare for more skinhead related threads, cuz they mean


Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 5:55 PM

My main concern is the kids on the street

Posted by Micky Fits | September 24, 2013 5:59 PM

yo seriously, antifa means well but they are the fascists here: stifling free speech

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 6:06 PM

every nazi controversy is bullshit.

find something actually scary: these guys are just clowns

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 6:08 PM

I really wanted to come to this gig but I wasn't allowed in the US as I am a registered sex offender in the UK. If the kids are united...

Posted by Jimmy Pursey | September 24, 2013 6:08 PM

Anyone want a pink cancer ribnon tattoo foe free?

Posted by JBM Ink | September 24, 2013 6:11 PM

Wait, did somebody say something about capes?

Posted by Paul Burnley | September 24, 2013 6:17 PM

Tbe only thing wrong was it's lack of butter.

Posted by Paula Deen | September 24, 2013 6:18 PM

I met some real nice boys here.

Posted by Paula Deen | September 24, 2013 6:20 PM

Remember when you guys thought I was controversial?

Posted by Howard Stern | September 24, 2013 6:44 PM

I wasn't at the show and can't comment on how racist or white supremacist the crowd was, but next door at anchored inn was almost entirely white skinheads that seemed like the type of people who are always looking for an excuse to fight.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 6:54 PM

Remember when there used to be minorities in Brooklyn who could defends themselves against Skinheads? Back when Rents were affordable - before all these dickhead tranplants moved in.
Now it's just White on White crime.
Brooklyn R.I.P.

Posted by Black Rob | September 24, 2013 7:01 PM

Brown Klowns was all up in dah hizzy!! Woop Woop Klown Power. Pass the Faygo beyotch!

Posted by KrabbyKrisKlown | September 24, 2013 7:04 PM

Are all the staff satanists? As a religious person I am offended

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 7:17 PM

Your average soldier on leave looks like he's "looking for a fight" too. We have some real judgmental pricks in here.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 7:22 PM

WP isnt about fascism. It's just a fetish for all races to enjoy.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 7:32 PM

Hahaha ! I was one of the ones wearing a cape ! Skinhead larpers unite ! LIGHTNING BOLT ! LIGHTNING BOLT ! LIGHTNING BOLT !

Posted by Alex Colby | September 24, 2013 7:35 PM

Man, slippery slope going on here.

Some pals of mine felt the old DK song Nazi Punks Fuck Off was not entirely accurate, meaning the true threats of Neo Nazis in the punk subculture were minimal at best.

Now, we can debate all day about working class and skins vs. boneheads. However, to the average person not involved in the subculture....MANY SHARPS and working class rockers look eerily similar to Boneheads/Neo Nazis, stricly looking at the clothing style.

If it were me, I would dress as far opposite as I could from ANY Neo...affiliation. Why blur the lines?
Why risk being mistaken?
Any of you remember Youth Defense League? Blurred the lines so much people still aren't 100% what their affiliation was. But looking strictly at their all black dress....that is what Italy's fascist supporters wore! No bs there. Check out the pics.

lastly, if the venue formally booked a show why spend all the time and $ on a show and then not list it on your site? With the end result being this dust up it seems too fishy to me. I cannot comment more on this since I wasn't in attendance.

As for bands stating they have U.S. pride and are not afraid to sing about it. Sure, that statement is fair but somehow it turns very quickly to militant nationalism. Be careful there. Militant nationalism was the foundation for the Nazi party.

AF still sings Public Assistance which caused them so much grief over the years. They claimed otherwise. Their former justification was "Roger is part Cuban" falls flat. The lyrics were not that subjective. Almost on par with hardcore Reaganites. And yes, they did have audiences join them for The Pledge of Allegiance before their shows. Footage is out there.....even white pride web sites still raise the question if AF is a white pride band or whatever. I felt the closest this came to being settled was a recent interview in Max. Rock N' Roll magazine.

If people want to create a firestorm they will. They will pick apart lyrics and artwork and style of dress to make their point.

Posted by jeff | September 24, 2013 7:36 PM

Roger was married to Amy from the Crust legends Nausea, I highly doubt that there was any racialist bs going on in AF... As for YDL. They blurred some lines. They don't sing about anything racial in their music. But since they're disbanded and one member has a tv show about high grade beef, I doubt that a reunion is in the works any time soon.

Posted by You stupid bastard | September 24, 2013 7:45 PM

For those of you that hate nazis. You can conveniently destroy them here. In this IRON SKY phone app. Enjoi!

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 7:46 PM

dunno if you're calling me a stupid bastard but I sincerely appreciate your response. Honest.

Yes, I knew Roger was married to Amy and Nausea was very anti-racist.
What I still mean is that if the song Public Assistance caused so much grief why still play it? It only keeps the controversy and blurred lines alive.

I still think the group's response to it has yet to address the issues surrounding it. And yes, from people who have worked with Roger, they state that no racism bs exists.

below is a link about Offensive Weapon. A big Oi! show was booked in CT but cancelled due to a lot of resistance against the band and people claiming they are a hate group.

lastly, I would like Offensive Weapon to weigh in at some point, somewhere about this. If you're not a hate band than wouldn't you be outraged to have your name keep coming up like this?

Posted by jeff | September 24, 2013 7:51 PM

@7:36 or maybe they were militant nationalists bc some of them fought in a war for the us armed services on multiple deployments. I think some of these skinheads have more of a right to sing about whatever the hell they want.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 7:56 PM

I was riding my fixie bike home from a meeting about how awesome Mao was when I decided to go to the Acheron. The crowd terrified me they were people of all colors that didn't buy into communism, it broke my heart. I speak for the minorities, why aren't they at my shows instead :(

Posted by Joey Steel | September 24, 2013 7:59 PM

hey, glad there's some sensible talk going on. I tip my hat to all of ya.

but still, even the term 'skinhead'.
A Neo-Nazi is commonly called a skinhead. If you're anti-fascist why even bother referring to yourself as a skinhead? Man, that in itself brings so much controversy. again, why blur the lines?

I read an interview with Offensive Weapon and they don't say too much about this stuff. the questions were very general, though. I'm very curious to see what their lyrics are like and what they have to say on this subject.

and again, I have heard nothing but positive things about Roger Miret from people who have directly worked with him. so please don't accuse me of starting some non-sense.

Posted by jeff | September 24, 2013 8:01 PM

Because they are skinheads. And they seem very proud of that...and seem not to care what other people assume. I think that is the point.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 8:04 PM

Because being a skinhead doesn't automatically make one a neo nazi or an antifascist. Some of us are just Skinheads and don't care much about either side. Most of us just want to be left to our own, drink some beer and see some good bands. Just how are we hurting anyone by doing this?

Posted by You stupid bastard | September 24, 2013 8:05 PM


Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 8:10 PM

Multiracial skinhead crowd? Liberal/anti-fascist reaction: Er, well, they're still Nazis. You see, they're Asian and White and Black and Brown skinheads and therefor they're NAZI NAZI NAZI and they want to kill 6 trillions j00z.

Meanwhile gangsta rap plays on the radio with 'nigga this' and 'whitey that' and 'bitchez n money' and that's perfectly OK.

Continue bashing whites.

PS: I'm Mexican, err, I mean "Aryan" according to you brainwashed Obama mammas.

Posted by No Limit Mexican | September 24, 2013 8:17 PM

I agree with the mexican

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 8:31 PM

What about when the guys from AF used to sport Skrewdriver shirts in the 80's? What about when Roger's brother, Freddie wore a Skrewdriver shirt on stage? Did that make them a "nazi" band? I'm sensing a lot of.the comments on here are from people who got their degree in punk, hardcore and skinhead from the internet and a NoFx album.

Posted by Tactical Cow | September 24, 2013 8:33 PM

If you're gonna judge a band by the kind of shirt someone in the crowd is wearing then there isn't a punk band on this planet that Antifa wouldn't point the finger at.

Posted by Tactical Cow | September 24, 2013 8:39 PM

8:33 for the record, Skrewdriver was awesome.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 8:53 PM

Also, in the article you posted about OW and their perceived role in the TNT shutdown from OPP, Daryl from One Peoples Project even mentions having wanted to hang with his boys in Oxblood. You know Oxblood,they played the show you all are complaining about, that Nazi band that had a black lead singer for over a decade.

Posted by You stupid bastard | September 24, 2013 8:56 PM


Posted by Maximum Rock'n'Roll | September 24, 2013 9:00 PM

8:56 Key word is "had." Now they are clearly a Nazi band.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 9:02 PM

Clearly how? They're still playing the same songs with the same lyrics as they did then. Show me ONE racial lyric in an Oxblood song.

Posted by You stupid bastard | September 24, 2013 9:06 PM

I' m gonna come right out and say it: Youth Defense League was complete shit. Fence-walkers (and yes, I know the one guy was Middle Eastern or Puerto Rican or something, trotting out the fact that your band has a minority in it doesn't make you not a fence-walking bonehead dick) with fake English accents covering Skrewdriver. I'm sure someone is going to threaten to blow up my house over this.

Posted by Warbastard | September 24, 2013 9:12 PM

Although, I am a 124 old man I love the music of Offensive Weapon. I would love to see them live, unfortunately my age prohibits me from flying. Still, I would like to thank them for sending me vinyl copies of their album in all four colors. Please support them.

Posted by A. Hitler, Mar del Plata, Argentina | September 24, 2013 9:19 PM

English Nick was English, no fake accent, and covering Voice of Britain, and changing it to Voice of Brooklyn doesn't make one a nazi. Brassknuckle Boys covered it too, and they're on the most PC label in the oi scene.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 9:19 PM

As far as blowing up peoples houses,I haven't seen anyone in this scene do anything like that. I heard of a car blowing up or being blown up recently.I'm fairly sure that the owner of the car did that himself.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 9:21 PM

"...Middle Eastern or Puerto Rican or something..."
Something? You are the one who is racist if you don't consider minorities to be people.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 9:27 PM

@Warbastard, you sound very hateful, racist and intolerant.

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 9:39 PM

Yo yo yo, so I just read this shizzit, and I don't know nothin' bout no skinheadz, but it seems ta me the bouncer is the one whos racist. Some one called this cracka not white, and he's all offended and the club's gotta make a statement saying yo, that ain't cool you be callin our boy not white? And then they be complainin about all the people in the crowd that wuzznt white enough? That be some whack shit right there I'm gonna call my boy Jesse Jackson, he'll make these honkies pay!

Posted by Tyrone Biggums | September 24, 2013 10:05 PM

Tyrone makes a good point. Why is the club offended over someone mistaking one of their employees for a race other than caucasian? And why are they stereotyping a diverse group of concert-goers as racists because of the way they dress?? And even more concerning, why does Brooklyn Vegan seem to be sympathizing with this awful Eurocentric mentality? Shame on you Brooklyn Vegan!

Posted by VeganFemme | September 24, 2013 10:23 PM

These multiracial skinheads aren't nazis. they simply enjoy the company of polish boneheads and a fat blonde chick who seig heils at white power shows.

Posted by 6 million lies | September 24, 2013 10:41 PM

someone is telling lies - the bouncer was white but he just looked like he hadn't showered or washed his hair for a month

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 10:52 PM

I've read that the singer of Death in June and the singer of Offensive Weapon are gay. Wouldn't this cancel out their Nazism and we should tolerate them?

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 11:08 PM

If I had just bought her a beer none of this would have happened....

Posted by Steve Jooli | September 24, 2013 11:11 PM

I wish all you lads were here(in my bed)

Posted by Kev Turner | September 24, 2013 11:22 PM

Veggie bacon is an offensive weapon

Posted by Meat Stick | September 24, 2013 11:22 PM

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Posted by Charles Manson | September 24, 2013 11:27 PM

No one at that show was ever really WP.

Posted by Matt M. | September 24, 2013 11:32 PM

Ok time I chime in.

The Acheron:


Stop playing blind and dumb. You knew EXACTLY who was attending this show and spare me your fake surprise.

Fuck you for booking this show thus supporting racists, bigots, xenophobes, and general hateful people.

Stormwatch is white power or white pride, both stances are despicable and you are more despicable for supporting them.

You didn't advertise the show because you didn't want people to know you support such hateful human garbage. Out of sight, out of mind.

Oxblood GO THE FUCK AWAY. You sucked ass in 1992 and 1998 and whatever other years you've crawled out from under your rock and you suck ass in 2013.

Posted by D | September 24, 2013 11:33 PM

The Rookery is a new bar near the Jefferson stop on Troutman. Skinheads are known to hang out at this English "pub."

Posted by Anonymous | September 24, 2013 11:34 PM

Bill Dozer's reason the show went on in so many words:

"I wasn't at the club, I was having dinner that night."


You apologist herb.

You're a fucking joke. You knew who you booked because this was the ONE ACHERON SHOW where it had zero internet presence.

This means you knew who it attracted.

Either step down from running the club or close it because you are incapable of running things. Thankfully no one was seriously or mortally hurt at this show.

Posted by D | September 24, 2013 11:47 PM

YDL was racist.

They broke up in early 1989 with not a single sliver of a rumor of them reuniting or reforming breakup through 1992 cuz they'd have been fucked up if they came back.

It was what it was, and if you were around 1989-92 like I was it was fact. YDL wasn't even a thought back then.

ALL those guys vanished from the NYHC scene IMMEDIATELY after their breakup. English Nick (the head bonehead) showed his face years later after all the people who wanted to kick his and the rest of his band's collective racist ass were gone.

Posted by D | September 24, 2013 11:52 PM

How come no one is giving Cro-Mags shit for playing a show where their singer John Joseph knows that the flier for it depicts a Nazi SS soldier?

Funny how that flier is not on the Cro-Mags Facebook.

Why don't Cro-Mags drop off that show?

Posted by D | September 25, 2013 12:02 AM

Anyone know if the October 5th NSM 88 show is still happening? I know this is another secret show but there was an event page on facebook and it seems to have disappeared. Please let me know asap as I was gonna fly in from Arizona.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 12:03 AM

^ It's happening or it's not.

Either way Bill Dozer will be out having dinner elsewhere that night, so he'll have an alibi for that show happening, too (if it happens.)

Posted by D | September 25, 2013 12:05 AM

Opinions are like racists.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 12:09 AM

^ Everyone has racists?

Posted by D | September 25, 2013 12:14 AM

This just in. Offensive Weapon is part of the Illuminati! The show was set up as a false flag to divert people's attention from the Obama Agenda! The night offensive weapon played their show and created a stir, Obama was busy setting up operation blitzkrieg. To extend the Muslim brotherhood agenda.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 12:17 AM

If you look at the pictures from the show. Or if you were there you will see all the skinheads making illuminati hand signs. It's apparent in almost every photo! It Almosts looks like some star trek shit these people have been brainwashed by the reptilians.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 12:20 AM

Yo.. sounds like 'someone' on here gott they ass whupped at a YDL show back in da day. Dey have nuttin to do wit dis thread or show - so whas up wit dat?
Step off kid, back to da Rubber factory.

Posted by English Rick ta Life | September 25, 2013 12:45 AM

^ Hahahahaha

Posted by D | September 25, 2013 1:05 AM

I flew out from California for this show and the pre-party at a thousand dollar expense skipping $3500+ of work and it was worth EVERY PENNY.

I want to personally thank everyone from the crew throwing the show and all the bands that played and if a bunch of pussies hugging their computers get to whine about it then I get to fuckin tell you all how much of a GREAT TIME I had and would do it all again AND WILL every chance I get.

My girlfriend of 14+years is of mixed heritage and I am a member of a crew, and labor union, both with brothers who are every fuckin color under the sun, and I would defend any of them with my life, so come tell me I'm a racist next time you see me, we can talk or dance about it. You pick.

Funny how I didn't see any of those opposed to the show there on the night in question to voice their opinions, and I easily found out about the gig, what bands were playing, and where and when to be without a facebook account or any previous awareness that the club existed. If these crybabies had the courage to do something about the event they could have done so without any difficulty. The fact is: they didn't want to confront those whose opinions and beliefs differ from theirs. They wanted to make an internet comment about how appalled they are by the existence of skinheads without ever engaging skinheads in any kind of debate, or physical combat, as many of the comments suggest, and then pat themselves on the back for "joining in the fight against 'racism'." An internet comment is not going to change anything, but making one will almost NEVER result in you swallowing half your teeth along with bits of boot leather. You're safe talking shit.

Those responsible for the pain in the ass task of throwing a great show know who they are and they know who I am and CHEERS to them for taking on what they knew would be a river of whiners tears to put on a damn fine American rock and roll weekend.

Ignore the internet.

Real name listed below because I am not afraid.

Posted by Tim From SF | September 25, 2013 3:03 AM

another thing while i have the mic...

a couple posts after brooklyn vegans' declaration of offensive weapon as "offensive indeed" and other laughable and ill-informed quotes, they posted an excited announcement of DEICIDE's upcomping gig.

for those of you unfamiliar with DEICIDE, theyre an early death-metal outfit. brooklyn vegan is stoked that they are going to play. heres a sample of their lyrics:

"You are the one we despise
Day in day out your words compromise lives
I will love watching you die
Soon it will be and by your own demise

Buried in hypocrisy
Lacerate your faith in god
Morally diseased
On the cross of Calvary your body bashed, defeated, stabbed

Blessing as you hate
Loyal to your enemies
Monetary faith
As him you'll pay for the lies of your prophecy
Satan wants you dead

Kill the christian, kill the christian
Kill the christian, kill the christian
Kill the christian, kill the christian
Kill the christian

Armies of darkness unite
Destroy their temples and churches with fire
Where in his world will you hide
Sentenced to death, the anointment of christ

In due time your path leads to me
Put you out of your misery

The death of prediction
Kill the christian

Kill the christian...dead!"

or these:

"Picture you a sight unseen, vengeance fills my head
satisfy my lust for blood when I see you dead
you were never what I would, something I won't sought
now that you are gone for good you have been forgot
feted the lord of death, as a deity
fuck you and your son of god, failure you will feast
bible the book of blood; it will be denied
servant of the enemy, its your turn to die
die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die
now I lay me down to sleep, pray no one my soul to keep, if I die before I
wake, I want your lord to stay away
guide me not or take of me, internal torment I foresee
in his name I will not know, or follow him where he shall go

die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die
in the name of god leaving us alone
raining fire in my life in hopes that I'll conform
all I fear is nothing new, death is something dear
wait the hour that I go your image disappears
feted the lord of death, as a deity
fuck you and your son of god, failure you will feast
bible the book of blood; it will be denied
servant of the enemy, its your turn to die"

none of the above crusaders denounced this show or band or even the posting of brooklyn vegans' excitement for this wholesome treat.

the pc whiners sure can pick-and-choose which scene they have a problem with cant they boys? no wonder all the sketchy folks hang out in the metal scene these days.

Posted by Tim from SF | September 25, 2013 4:06 AM

Fuck it - Real Talk.
Some people may have been white power, some people might be white power. Some people are Latino Power. Who Really Cares. We Are Uniting The Power in 2013. We All get along cuz were skins and can respect the Power of each other. Fact is we have so much power that those without Power and who are ashames of their race, their country and their jobs and their lives have to continue to try to EXTINQUISH OUR POWER. Their RED trickery has us apologizing for our Power for 30+ years.

Truth is SKINHEAD POWER is what you fear, people who arent afraid to express their views. People who stick together and act as one. TRUTH is Acheron - the Doorman was some smelly hippie and we were probably some of the best customers you ever had.

Posted by Boss Rude Boy | September 25, 2013 4:48 AM

I just don't see what all the fuss is about! They're harmless! They couldn't hurt anyone if they wanted to! Boss Rude Boy--why you're just a cuddly teddy bear, aren't you!

Posted by Prancey | September 25, 2013 5:20 AM

I'm sure glad this incident happened at The Archeron because it took some of the attention off me wanting to start WWIII. Oh wait, most of you white liberal hipsters voted for me.....nevermind..

Posted by President Obama | September 25, 2013 7:49 AM


Actually Puerto Ricans aren't people: part black, part monkey and a third chicken blood.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 8:20 AM

Yeah boiiiii...Yo Ian Stuart what time is it boi?

Posted by Flava Flv | September 25, 2013 8:21 AM

All over the world, there are only two types of people who call themselves "nationalists":

(1) People who believe that their region should be an independent country, and

(2) Ultra-right-wing national supremacists, who hate to be called "Nazis" because the Nazis were a different nationality and were more interested in race than nation.


e.g. in Britain, "Scottish nationalists" are people who want an independent Scotland, while "English nationalists" are people who think English culture is superior to everyone else. In China, "Uighur nationalists" are people who want an independent Uigurstan, while "Chinese nationalists" are people who think Han Chinese culture is superior to everyone else. The same is true globally.

"American nationalists" have been in the second category since 1783. Fuck these people, they're fascists by another name, same as everywhere else.

Posted by LOL nationalists | September 25, 2013 8:31 AM

Bushwick nationalists are superior Bed Stuy nationalists.

Williamsburg nationalists are superior to Soho nationalists.

New Jersey nationalists are superior to Long Island nationalists.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 8:39 AM

I like turtles

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 8:44 AM

@8:39 if you think any of those are "nations", you're a retard. Even by skinhead standards.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 8:45 AM

I think it's pretty obvious that if Acheron knew about it and wanted to "keep it secret" themselves, they probably wouldn't have made an update about it halfway through the show.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 9:29 AM

"Nonetheless, when a member of the crowd says to my door person "you don't get to talk to me. You're not even white". I have a responsibility to address that."

What a joke - the doorman was white - the girl who said it {yes it was a girl} is of mixed heritage - some where in South America and prefers to date puerto rican guys

so tell me again how this was a racial incident?

I thought you hipsters loved irony?

Posted by Derek | September 25, 2013 9:55 AM

Tom from SF brings up a good point about deicide, there are plenty of more offensive bands than any of the bands at this show that get press from Brooklyn Vegan and similar websites and play venues like the Acheron. I saw a band at the Acheron last year that put out an album on resistance records, perhaps the most important white power record label of the 90s. Nobody said a thing because they're a metal band and don't bring a scary, and multicultural, thuggy skinhead audience. All this anti skinhead witch hunting is a fucking joke.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 10:22 AM

I love this thread.

As someone that was part of NYHC from 1986-1988 (sad! I just missed D!) I have a piece of advice: if you don't want your scene to look white power, you have to police that shit yourself.

Anyone that showed up to hardcore shows at cb's or lamours or the ritz in the eighties showing nazi/white power imagery got the shit kicked out of them. Badly.

If there were people walking around that show with swatstikas on their arms and walking away unharmed, all you have to blame is yourself that now everyone thinks you're a bunch of racist cunts.

I live down the block from the Acheron. I like the way the owner is handling this and I'm gonna try to see a show there soon just to show support. I don't buy D's theory this is some evil conspiracy or something. He made a mistake, he apologized and said it won't happen again. Why is that not good enough for you, keyboard warrior? ;-)

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 11:54 AM

@11.54am - did you even bother to read the comments?

The crowd was brown, yellow and white - its only moronic hipsters who have called this a white power show - doh

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 12:18 PM

Todd P to be offering them a show in the near future, complete with leaflets describing what his vagina feels like.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 12:19 PM

I am the destroyer of worlds now.

Posted by Steve Hooli | September 25, 2013 12:32 PM

This article is absurd. I was welcomed at this show and so was my crew. The power of christ and the rainbow flag combined fueled this love fest. I even brought my boyfriend Steve Hooli. We dance, We loved then we cuddled after an amazing conjoining of 2 men. We "snoodled". Which basically means I am circumcised and Steve isn't so we connected like legos for pleasure. At the same time I strangled him with my red suspenders until he exploded in a chipotle frenzy!

Posted by GSFC (Gay Skinheads for Christ) | September 25, 2013 12:36 PM

I will filibuster again if we don't allow more white power shows at the Acheron.

Posted by Ted Cruz (R) Texas | September 25, 2013 12:39 PM

This disgusts me. The first gay skinheads were ant-fascists from jamaica like me. If you do racist you can't be a homosexual for christ.

Posted by Roddy Moreno | September 25, 2013 12:41 PM

@11:54 nobody cares about your advice. 86'-88? A whole 2 years in the scene 25 years ago. You obviously know everything there is to know. We're all very impressed with your infinite knowledge of ettiquet at shows. And thanks for letting is know your opinion about a show you weren't even at

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 12:45 PM

I am sorry I didn't make this show. I wanted to sacrifice my ugly pig nosed kid to Odin in front of a roaring crowd of viking stormtroopers. Is there anymore way we can have another show soon?


Posted by Mensi Mensworth | September 25, 2013 12:45 PM

I am cancelling my tour stop at the Acheron. Not because of the white power bands that played saturday, but I was informed that while making love in the bathroom Steve Hooli had a live rat shoved in his mouth. This is genocide, meat is murder.

For Volk


Posted by Morrissey National front Disco. | September 25, 2013 12:50 PM


Posted by Daryl Lamont Jenkins | September 25, 2013 12:55 PM

I reject the calls for the Acheron to be boycotted. This is not Odins Law.

Posted by Kev Turner | September 25, 2013 12:55 PM

If I was still alive I'd let everybody rape me who was in attendance for protection. Mayday Crew!!!

Posted by Donny The Punk | September 25, 2013 1:02 PM

Obvious troll above me. I ascended to Valhalla where I took my place among other twinks that are used to guzzle the Aryan cum of our warrior ancestors. My asshole is the like a viking long ship it get's filled my bezerker's constantly. My face burns like a funeral pire and the only thing that can extinguish the flame is the semen of a proud skinhead warrior.

Posted by Donny the Punk | September 25, 2013 1:07 PM

Back in my day I only let proud nationalist skinheads plow my stinky crumpet. Cheers to the Acheron for putting on a great White Power show that makes the Nuremburg Rall the Fuhrer had pale in comparison.

Posted by Micky Fitz | September 25, 2013 1:11 PM

To my fellow Antifascists, be wary of street posts if you engage the nazis in a duel

Posted by Clement Meric | September 25, 2013 1:12 PM

my Wolverines had nothing to do with this

Posted by Patrick Swayze | September 25, 2013 1:17 PM

I never seen more Skrewdriver shirts in my life than I did in the years 86-88, in New York City. Bleecker Bobs was selling em like hot cakes. I love when people try to re-write & revise history to fit their neat little package.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 1:21 PM

White power skins have been gathering at The Rookery. Trouble ahead for Bushwick/Ridgewood.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 1:23 PM

I live in the neighborhood surrounding the Acheron. I felt something strange was going on when I saw the amount of heavily tattooed bald me in the area. I had no idea something like this was taking place and I am deeply saddened... BABA BOOEY BABA BOOEY!!!

Posted by Captain Jenks | September 25, 2013 1:24 PM

"My girlfriend of 14+years"

dude, if you're 18 or older I think doing it with her could get you in a lot of trouble, be careful friend

Posted by Chris Hansen | September 25, 2013 1:37 PM

My girlfriend Steve Hooli is over 18 thanks Chris

Posted by Ollie Andrews | September 25, 2013 1:42 PM

This is a thing?

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 1:58 PM


Posted by Tony Danza | September 25, 2013 2:03 PM


Posted by Ian Stuart | September 25, 2013 2:25 PM

We here at the Volksaufklärung und Propaganda would like to offer Bill Dozer a job. He can promote National Socialism better than anyone out there.

Blut und Ehre!

P.J Goebbels

Gauleiter der Berlin, Reichsminister der Volksaufklärung und Propaganda

Posted by P.J Goebbels | September 25, 2013 2:53 PM

We must secure the existence of The Acheron for the future for White Children

Posted by D. Lane | September 25, 2013 3:04 PM

Hey 86-88 - The best thing I remember about being a skinhead in New York City back then is that we beat up every non skin that wore flights and docs. This was before DMS when we had Sunset and bands like YDL Sick Society and Brute Force all play the nationalist music. Hell one of the founders of SHARP even had odin tats and he was black! Oh yeah SHARP used to be nationalists - thats why the flag was on the original patch not some trojan thingy. We could go history all day.

By the way hardcore has nothing to do with our scene.

Posted by old school | September 25, 2013 3:06 PM

Groove is in the heart

Posted by Deee-Lite | September 25, 2013 3:15 PM

me and my mates came to this show. it was a good gook free time and we left with some hipster slag.

Posted by Hando | September 25, 2013 3:23 PM

Hando, gooks down the gateway motel.

Posted by Cackles | September 25, 2013 3:28 PM

I live in the suburbs and the skinhesds always take over the Applebees here.They harass all the normal people and it's not to go anymore. I've spoken to the manager and he says there is nothing he can do. They' even have nicknames for menu items such as

Skrewdriver chicken skewers
Brutal Attack buffalo wings
Arresting Officers artichoke dip
No remorse nachos
Freikorp french fries
Moonstompt milkshake
Bully Boys bourbon bbq chicken
Bohse Onkelz onion rings
Youth Defense League lemonade
New Glory guiltless salad
Squadron sundae.

Posted by henry | September 25, 2013 3:30 PM

I hate white people but I love white chicken. Am I a racist?

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 3:37 PM

"By the way hardcore has nothing to do with our scene.
Posted by old school"


You have no clue what you're talking about.

1. YDL was part of the NYHC scene for better or worse (I say worse.) 'Guess you never knew they were on the NYHC compilation "The Way It Is" released by Revelation Records, huh dumbass?

2. Sick Society's guitarist is Sheer Terror's current guitarist and he was a '80s NYHC kid through and through.

3. Brute Force barely existed in NYC - they played maybe two or three shows tops and zero NYC shows after '89 (maybe one in '90.) They were boneheads or at least fencewalkers who were scared to show their faces in/around NYC.

4. You all were in it for a minute (1986-88) and pussies who never fought one on one (like DMS.)

5. War Zone were skins and NYHC. Ever heard of them? Idiot.

6. Harley Flanagan was the first NYC skinhead and he is NYHC personified.

Posted by D | September 25, 2013 3:39 PM

Kill! (Kill!)
Whitey! (Whitey!)
All! (All!)
Mighty! (Mighty!)
God (God!)
Niggas in the church say (LAA)

Kill! (Kill!)
Whitey! (Whitey!)
All! (All!)
Mighty! (Mighty!)
God (God!)
Uncle tom house nigga (RAH!)

The white man is a devil, a beast, beserk, snake, Satan, serpent, evil, wicked, dragon, demonic, Hell-Born, Iblis, brutal, wild, fierce, untamed, the archenemy, father of lies, prince of darkness, nigga let me (?)
The Crips and Bloods are soldiers I'm recruitin'
Wit no dispute,
Drive by shootin' on this white genetic mutant,
Wanna know where I'm from?
I'm from "Fuck Yo Hood",
Dont even hit me up, fuck yo set
Let's go, and kill some rednecks (muthafucka)
The Menace Clan aint afraid, to check a hood
The Menace Clan aint afraid of a peckerwood
Fuck George Bush, fuck Bill Clinton, fuck Ross Perot, fuck Dan Quayle, what the hell?
Fuck Daryl Gates, fuck Stacey Koon, fuck Ted Briseno, fuck Lawrence Powell, fuck Timothy Wind, and judge George Carter,
Im down wit my nigga Shady,
I got the .380,
My homies think Im crazy cuz I shot a white baby, I said, I said, I said


When I unload the muthafuckin Glock,
Ya body clot,
Ya homies are shot,
Im up the block before ya body drop,
A nigga dumpin' on yo white ass,
Fuck this rap shit, nigga I'ma blast,
I dont give a fuck, if,
None of yall niggas aint down,
I'll beat a white boy to the muthafucking ground,
Im wit tha M-E-N-A-C-E,
I could see you but ya cant see me,
Now what have we?
Im (?) you,
Just bust the one-less busta, musta,
Bit the dust,
Fuck this rap shit, nigga Im bust, on yo ass,
Ima slash and slash,
And they hear the sax,
You neva heard no shit like this,
I piss on ya grave,
Civilize a slave,
Blow up ya church, then I blow up ya turf,
You will search,
For the Menace, Clan,
But in his, hand,
Theres a muthafuckin nine,
So they dont cross the line cuz I...

Posted by Sean Davis | September 25, 2013 3:40 PM


Posted by unknown PR | September 25, 2013 3:42 PM

^ Lord Ezec what are you doing here? Shouldn't you be typing in caps on your Twitter?

Posted by D | September 25, 2013 3:46 PM

"6. Harley Flanagan was the first NYC skinhead and he is NYHC personified.".....and he was/is a bonehead. He dont like the darkies.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 3:51 PM



Posted by Wes Eisold | September 25, 2013 3:58 PM

........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')
..........''...\.......... _.•´


Get at me on facebook:

Posted by Cappa | September 25, 2013 4:09 PM

How come no-one likes me? :(

Posted by Tynan 211 | September 25, 2013 4:17 PM

Can someone bust me out of prison so Brutal Attack can be good again?

Posted by Martin Cross | September 25, 2013 4:20 PM

From Stormwatch... they officially don't mind Nazis, & they aren't much for faggots either:

Do you really care if people call you racist and how about
being dubbed as the "most controversial band in the American
Oi! movement"?
Well, from day one we have state that we are not a racist
band. Bottom line is, we just plain don't give a fuck about
racism. For it or against it. If people want to interpret
that as being racist, well, that says something about that
person's intelligence level. So do I care if some uneducated
goof with the IQ of grape slurpee calls me racist? Nope! I
am a grown man living in the real world. I have more
important things to worry about than that kiddy bullshit. As
for being controversial, apparently, we're talking about
things that other people choose to ignore. Or they're just
lazy and don't give a damna bout anything. In other words,
we're controversial because we use our own minds to think
with. We are Skinheads. Fashion and function. A lot of
other "trueeeee Skins" forget about the function part.

Do you think Skins shouldn't waste their time with all this
political bullshit?
I believe that Skins should take a realistic outlook on
politics. The facts are that everyone has their own opinions
on right and wrong. That's realistic.. Being a foot soldier
for some politician is ridiculous. Those people are all
sheep. Sheep have no place in the Skinhead culture.
Political beliefs are one thing, the handling and
exploitation of those beliefs are another. Politics in the
Skin scene are not handled well. Politics should be kept on
a personal level. Beliefs and/or views that one may hold are
natural. However, the Skinhead movement has never been a
political movement, so therefore you should respect your fellow
Skins' opinions even if they differ from your own. Politics
do nothing but further segregate the Skinhead movement.
Anything that divides us is a hindrance and should be smashed.
Don't get me wrong, there are exceptions to every rule. The
same applies to certain people claiming to be Skins. An
example is faggots! That's not a belief, that's a way of
life. So they need to "Stay in the closet!!!"

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 4:22 PM

Fuck you, Martin

Posted by Ken McLellan | September 25, 2013 4:24 PM

Harley Flanagan was/is not a bonehead. He had African American men Rocky George and Gary Sullivan play in his band Cro-Mags and was/is friends with Bad Brains.

You're another clueless idiot who thinks he knows what's up but knows jack shit.

Posted by D | September 25, 2013 4:25 PM

Ken what was up with the Whitesnake cover on your last album? You're losing it mate lmao..

Posted by Martin Cross | September 25, 2013 4:33 PM

At least I'm prison mate

Posted by Ken McLellan | September 25, 2013 4:35 PM

For all the mocking posts on here, it's only fair to acknowledge that there are far more skinheads than I ever realized who can string a coherent sentence together/type/read.

Sure, most of their arguments are fencewalking nonsense, but those arguments are generally in the form of punctuated sentences. Who knew?

Heil, I mean hail, to the truly remarkable work of our school system and the "communists" who run it.

Posted by North Minehead By-Election | September 25, 2013 4:36 PM

Harley Flanagan has a swazi tattooed on his wrist. Like most symbols worn by punk/hardcore kids - for shock value - moreso than being a hardcore nazi. Who cares?
Remember when everyone used to go 'fag-bashing'?? or is that history being re-written also. People in the scene have done a lot worse things than 'listening to Skrewdriver'. How bout jumping people 10 on 1. Bashing peoples heads in with Bricks. Murder & attempted Murders at shows? I'd rate those worse than kids at a show minding their own business listening to 'nationalist' music.
When did the scene become so soft that you're worrying about 'SS Soldiers' on Cro-Mags flyers? Political correctness long ago ruined everything. If PUerto Rican kids, Black kids and White kids can unite around the music of Skrewdriver and 'have a laugh' - then all you white kids up here trying to defend the 'poor minorities' need to give it up. They don't need you to defend them. The scene was just fine til all the Sharp types and Gangstas showed up. Everyone got along, for the most part and left people alone to like what they like.

Posted by Nobody | September 25, 2013 4:39 PM

i can't believe i missed out on this show. the girls in the video have pretty feet i'd like to lick and jerk off to.

Posted by teddy boy greg the barber | September 25, 2013 4:42 PM

Allahu Akbar!

Posted by Ham-head | September 25, 2013 4:48 PM

When can we do the next show guys - I made out like a bandit $$$ the other night

thanks again :-)

Posted by Bill Dozer | September 25, 2013 4:49 PM



noun informal offensive

noun: jigaboo; plural noun: jigaboos

1.a black person.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 4:51 PM

Nothing gets under the skin of (white)people more than non-whites wearing Skrewdriver shirts. I love it.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 5:00 PM

Some of the guys who came up for the show rented rooms from my mom. we hung out a little, they were kinda intense, but they certainly weren't Nazis.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 5:00 PM

I played Guitar for Skrewdriver and the 4-skins and I will anal rape and tattoo a spider on the neck of anyone who calls me a fence walker. I just love Oi! Oi! and having Steve Hooli deep throat my cock and going to white power shows at the Acheron.

Posted by Paul Swain | September 25, 2013 5:13 PM

Do you mind if I sit here? Down by your grave site?

Posted by Bill Riccio. | September 25, 2013 5:18 PM

This is how I remember the show. Anyone see this video from the after party?

Posted by Nicky Crane | September 25, 2013 5:19 PM

I swear I wasn't heiling in the crowd that night, that was just my nose. People often mistake it for an arm. FML!

Posted by Dave Ellis | September 25, 2013 6:07 PM

Same old tired ass discussion. Plenty of HC bands would be considered "sketchy" or fence walkers in the 80s by today's standards. AF's sing Public Assistance, Harley's Swazi tattoo, Rest in Pieces wearing skrewdriver shirts, Freddy madball s'driver shirt, Warzone, side by side, YDL playing a show with an RAC logo on the flier. The list goes on and on. None of those guys were WP and neither is Offensive Weapon of their crew. That's the biggest laugh of them all. The world will still be here tomorrow I promise. There are bigger things in this world to worry about than who wore what shirt to a show. Everyone calm down and get on with your lives

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 6:15 PM

Posted by KrakahKillinKlown | September 25, 2013 6:25 PM

I wanted to go to the show then two big bullies (not to be confused with Bully Boys, who are completely not racist anymore) liked my comment on the event page, and I shit myself in fear. I'm just now getting out from under my bed, and not wearing diapers on a daily basis. No politics just depends.

Posted by Beaks | September 25, 2013 6:37 PM

Everyone should throw up taxi cab heiling salutes out of spite for dealing with the race label so much. Just being burnt out and sick of it all it's funny just the piss these already confused and narrow minded idiots off.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 7:32 PM

ARA wouldn't let me be released from prison in time for this show. I even heard that all the bands were going to get together to do a tribute to me :(

Posted by Rudolf Hess | September 25, 2013 8:16 PM

I reporting all of you to the cops

Posted by Steve Vargo | September 25, 2013 8:24 PM

I'm a lumberjack now

Posted by Dexter Morgan | September 25, 2013 8:28 PM

I will not tolerate insolent Nazis in my anti fascist scene.. I won't, I won't, I won't....

Posted by King Joffrey | September 25, 2013 8:35 PM

It's easy if the venue werent happy with the bands that were playing cause of their alleged political agendas ....why didnt they stop it ? As the licensee of the venue the manager was well with in his power to stop the gig on the grounds of his patrons safety and called the police to help empty the venue if necessary ! What i know of street punk /oi! shows in the UK their punters are big drinkers and good spenders !!So is the management now apologising for the terrible event after they have banked their takings !!

Posted by son of the empire | September 25, 2013 8:45 PM

Can we get serious here for a sec??? Who is that hot Puerto Rican guy with the big tits?

Posted by Steve Hooli | September 25, 2013 8:50 PM

8:50 That'd be Alex

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 8:52 PM

Europe has not yet learned to be multicultural and Jews will be the centre of that role and they will be resented.

Posted by Barbara Spectre | September 25, 2013 9:07 PM

I run a none political Skinhead reunion in Gay Brighton, England as a professional glory seeker and small part actor and rampant supporter of AFA i wouldnt have any problems booking any of the above bands to play at my NONE POLITICAL Skinhead Reunion and i am bad ass to the bone Skinhead superstar

Posted by Symond Lawes | September 25, 2013 9:08 PM

@9:08, I would have more confidence in your judgement if you could actually spell "non-political".

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 9:13 PM

This isn't a racist post just the god damned fucking truth. Steve Hööli has was out back the venue being used by white power skinheads as a toilet. Apparently they are New Hampshire crew known as the "toilet skins" the feel that shitting on another mans head or in his mouth is a communion and view it as a sacred right of passage into Valhalla.

Posted by Roger M | September 25, 2013 9:13 PM

As a black women who tries to sleep with as many WP guys as I can I need shows like this to keep going otherwise I'll never get a new baby daddy since my boo Sean Leprecon left me

Posted by Tiff | September 25, 2013 9:19 PM

As a Native Indian American Trad Skin Head Hooligal 69'er, I was welcomed to this show. I even saw some Afro-Americans in the crowd having fun! It was ALL American. Maybe that's why antifa has a problem with it?

Posted by Plumberonie | September 25, 2013 9:34 PM

The gay community really cleaned up NYC. The hipsters are ruining it. Bring back the gays! Reclaim NYC!! You won't hear them crying about this shit. They love the leather boots.

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 9:35 PM

Me and the Polish bakery boys were going to come down and give those nasty nazis a good kicking - but I ended up getting a hot stripper's number (who just happened to look like this sexy receptionist at my work)
so I stayed home and fantasized about her instead.

Mom says I have to get out of the basement more so we will come down the the next white power show the Acheron hosts and beat them senseless then

Posted by S. Hooli | September 25, 2013 9:43 PM

Oi!!! As a proud spirit of ‘69 skinhead British nationalist, I am bloody sick of these Americans stealing from OUR post-war white working class Jamaican-immigrant-inspired culture.

Take some pride in your OWN nation’s Jamaican immigrants! Lose the UK ‘69 costumes, and start dressing however people dressed at Kool Herc’s parties in 1972. That’s YOUR equivalent.

American skinheads are no more real skinheads than the gay fetishists who chase them for cock. BRITISH CULTURE FOR THE BRITISH!!!

Posted by REAL skinhead, not these Yank pantomime poofters | September 25, 2013 10:01 PM

I wanted to go to this show but I am actually an advanced robotic organism for another solar system with 2 small aliens piloting in side of my gigantic head.

Posted by Josh G | September 25, 2013 10:16 PM

I miss my Irish companion Sean :(

Posted by Symond L. | September 25, 2013 10:18 PM


Posted by Frankie | September 25, 2013 10:18 PM

You Brits don't get it.

Your Spirit of 69 was a gift from America, because we won the war for you and everything you did after 1945 belongs to us.

America is the new master nation. Not master race, but master nation. We are proud to celebrate that, and we are right to take the best symbols of our primitive ancestors and improve on them. because we are the master culture now.

Posted by REALER skinhead | September 25, 2013 10:33 PM

I'm a mixed race half African half norseman muslim jew and im a big fan/groupie of offensive weapon their groovie

Posted by Hector whitepower | September 25, 2013 10:37 PM

I was the jewish chick getting gang banged in the restrooms by those skinhead brutes

When is the next show - i cannot wait!!

Posted by Tamara | September 25, 2013 10:41 PM


Posted by Tiff T. | September 25, 2013 10:42 PM

I was the first skinhead, fuckin jokes.

Posted by Yul Brynner | September 25, 2013 10:44 PM


Posted by Steve L. | September 25, 2013 10:48 PM

I also wouldn't have made it through one set without shitting my pants. That singer from Offensive Weapon is so dreamy, though

Posted by J. Grant | September 25, 2013 10:50 PM

Does anybody have a couch I can sleep on for a month?

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 10:56 PM

Damn I wish my tits were as good as those on that puerto rican guy...

Posted by Matt M | September 25, 2013 11:15 PM

people are still talking about this bullshit?

Posted by Anonymous | September 25, 2013 11:19 PM

The petroleum resources in the Middle East and Africa belong to the United States of America. The people living in those places need to extract, refine, and deliver our resources for us. If they don't, then we will blast them off the face of the Earth with a thermonuclear holocaust.

Posted by Patriotic Paul | September 25, 2013 11:19 PM

Wow. Great nil.

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2013 12:26 AM

Wish I came out to this show. IM NEITHER RACIST NOR RED! but my car seemed to have some problems.

Posted by Dave Ellis | September 26, 2013 9:43 AM

"It's 2013 and this should not have to be said, but let it be known that the Acheron has no patience or sympathy for any form of intolerance or fascism. "

Thats code for we are intolerant of anyone who doesn't share our anti-american beliefs

Typical liberal moronic thinking

Posted by Shark City Skins | September 26, 2013 10:24 AM

When the skins rise up, we'll show you what real Americans is about.

Its not nazi to shoot people who are obviously communists, we did that with trade union protesters for decades.

Its not nazi to put unamerican traitors into camps where they cant harm us, we did that with Japs in WWII.

Its not nazi to get more living space for gods chosen nation by driving out or killing the lesser people, thats how we built this great nation.

anybody who says these ideas are nazi is an antiamerican communist liberal who doesnt understand history, hates america and belongs in a camp

Posted by america POWER | September 26, 2013 11:49 AM

It's the Reptilians y'all should be worried about! The ancient pyramids were actually nuclear power plants!!!

Posted by TinFoil HatMan | September 26, 2013 12:19 PM

I'm the hot Puerto Rican guy with the big tits everyone's talking about, and I've got an important message for someone who was at the show:

1. The bathroom stalls were very dark.
2. I have an enlarged clitoris.
3. You're not as gay as you think.
4. I've missed my period, and if the guy with the SS tattoo on his cock doesn't step up, I'm going on welfare.

Posted by It's me, baby | September 26, 2013 12:22 PM

I very much support Acheron decision to block out the free speech of young adults. In Soviet Russia, we crush many people who had the silly notion of free speech and ideals.

Posted by J. Stalin | September 26, 2013 12:23 PM

Does can anyone tell me the next time the Acheron is having a rally? I'd like to attend

Posted by Steve Vargo | September 26, 2013 12:32 PM


Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2013 1:33 PM

OK, so I got there right around the time Wolverines were going on. But the lighting in the venue was very bad and I began to feel scared. So, I headed for the door but then I noticed big Claude coming in as I was leaving and I did a 180, ran to the bathroom, and hid behind the john. I don't know how long I was in behind there for, minutes turned into hours. But when I finally emerged, the show was over and the place had emptied out. Bill Dozer was sitting by himself at the bar muttering something about how these kids were dressing these days, and how it's bad for his business. THANKS JERK! My self-esteem really needed that(being sarcastic BTW.) All in all, I'd say it was a pretty good show. Def the most exciting weekend I've had in IDK how long... It's true what they say. NY really is better than Boston.

P.S. When I got home Sunday night, my mom asked me "How was your date with the two stripper hotties?" It was dynamite, I told her. That's how I roll.

Posted by Steve Hooli | September 26, 2013 2:04 PM

(Yeah, uh)

Who's afraid of the punk police?
Niggas run the streets, no justice, no peace

Fuck the law, rather draw than do time, don't fuck with mine
'Cross the line, my two nines go baya baya when I shoot 'em
Korean mothafuckers was crooked so niggas had to burn and loot 'em
Now the streets ain't safe at night, my niggas, straight take his life

So don't sleep when my jeep creep up, how we hit 'em?
Empty the clip, then dip 'cuz we did 'em
Lickin' of shots for Latasha, that's proper
Love for my niggas but a glock for the coppers

So what the fuck you wanna do now?
I packed a 9 last year in '99, I'm packin' two now
And even if they pull their triggers
They can shoot one man
But nothing's gonna stop the plan of true niggas

(Yeah, niggas, you can't fuck with us)
(Yeah, niggas, 'cuz bein' a nigga means you love niggas)
(Jada, ey, yo)

My dimes make the fiends go to sleep, so they call 'em bedrocks
Niggas is like photographers, all they take is headshots
Your last words'll be, "Damn, what's all these red dots?"
Niggas, nowadays they worry me, my bars is therapy

As long as you usin' them thoroughly
Muuah, 'til the day that they bury me
My niggas is stronger and tighter now
Than they probably will ever be
And I'm a product of the '70's

The hood got niggas on punishment, that's why they never leave
If I ain't eatin' with you, I'm probably beefin' with you
If no money ain't involved, ain't no need for me speakin' with you
I know you got a gun but I'm hopin' you keep it with you

'Cuz unfortunately, I'm one of them rappers that keep a pistol and
You know what the Llama do, Shady Aftermath
Ruff Ryders, D-Block, and of course Amaru
Lotta people honor you, probably 'cuz of the way

That you used to bring the drama to, whoever you wanted to
You a leader when you can get a leader to follow you
But anyway, life goes on, so I'll see you
When I art in Heaven, like our fathers do

(Yeah niggas, you can't fuck with us)
(Yeah niggas, 'cuz bein' a nigga means you love niggas)
Niggas, niggas
(Nigga, you can't fuck with us)

Posted by Sean Davis | September 26, 2013 2:09 PM


Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2013 6:01 PM

Posted by Pinkerton | September 26, 2013 6:26 PM

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2013 8:57 PM

End the FED!

Posted by Ron Paul | September 26, 2013 9:39 PM

Ian Stuart Donaldson is alive and well and living in Brazil.

THIS WEEKEND he will be playing a one-off date at the Acheron. Invite only. Contact venue for details.

Posted by Conspiracy Fearist | September 26, 2013 10:30 PM

Ebony And Ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard oh lord why don't we?

We all know that people are the same where ever you go
There is good and bad in everyone
We learn to live we learn to give each other what we need to survive together alive

Ebony and Ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard oh lord why don't we?

Ebony and Ivory living in pefect harmony
Ebony,Ivory oh..

We all know that people are the same where ever you go
There is good and bad in everyone
We learn to live we learn to give each other what we need to survive
Together alive

Ebony and Ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard oh lord why don't we?
Side by side on my piano keyboard oh lord why don't we?

Posted by Anonymous | September 26, 2013 11:55 PM


Posted by Coke dealer | September 27, 2013 1:38 AM

Hey D... Just to clarify what I mean by hardcore was not part of our scene. The NYC Oi! Scene broke away from DMS and their Drug Money Sex version of skinhead. Yeah YDL and all those bands played and were on comps but it wasnt until the end of the 80's that hardcore fell off. I know you like to rap and say thats Oi! But you guys were never at our Bootboy shows. I can attest to that. We embraced pure Oi! and you guys wanted to be gangster. Sheer Terror is not Oi!. YDL SS and Brute Force and American Eagle was Oi!. We had bands like Stronghold, Wretched Ones and Niblick Repping in N.J.

Dont confuse hood rats with proppa skins. Oi!

No offense, I like some hardcore to but I dont rep the "hardcore" way of life...which is really nothing but bad metal with some grunts lately. Didnt see DMS out at the FLAG show. Black Flag = Real Hardcore.

Posted by proppaskin | September 27, 2013 3:17 AM

D turned his back on Oi!

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2013 6:10 AM

Wasn't every single argument in this thread settled by the DKs back in 1986?


Punk's not dead
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon
A close-minded, self-centered social club
Ideas don't matter, it's who you know
If the music's gotten boring
It's because of the people
Who want everyone to sound the same
Who drive bright people out
Of our so-called scene
'Til all that's left Is just a meaningless fad
Hardcore formulas are dogshit
Change and caring are what's real
Is this a state of mind
Or just another label
The joy and hope of an alternative
Have become its own cliche
A hairstyle's not a lifestyle
Imagine Sid Vicious at 35
Who needs a scene
Scared to love and to feel
Judging everythng
By loud fast rules appeal
Who played last night?
"I don't know, I forgot.
But diving off the stage Was a lot of fun."

So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chickenshit conformist
Like your parents

What's ripped us apart even more than drugs
Are the thieves and the goddamn liars
Flipping people off when they share their stuff
When someone falls are there any friends?
Harder core than thou for a year or two
Then it's time to get a real job
Others stay home, it's no fun to go out
When the gigs are wrecked by gangs and thugs
When the thugs form bands, look who gets record deals
From New York metal labels looking to scam
Who sign the most racist queerbashing bands they can find
To make a buck revving kids up for war
Walk tall, act small
Only as tough as gang approval
Unity is bullshit
When it's under someone's fat boot
Where's the common cause
Too many factions
Safely sulk in their shells
Agree with us on everything
Or we won't help with anythng
That kind of attitude
Just makes a split grow wider
Guess who's laughing while the world explodes
When we're all crybabies
Who fight best among ouselves


That farty old rock and roll attitude's back
"It's competition, man, we wanna break big."
Who needs friends when the money's good
That's right, the '70s are back.
Cock-rock metal's like a bad laxative
It just don't move me, ya know?
The music's OK when there's more ideas than solos
Do we rally need the attitude too?
Shedding thin skin too quickly
As a fan it disappoints me
Same old stupid sexist lyrics
Or is Satan all you can think of?
Crossover is just another word
For lack of ideas
Maybe what we need
Are more trolls under the bridge
Will the metalheads finally learn something-
Or will the punks throw away their education?
No one's ever the best
Once they believe their own press
"Maturing" don't mean rehashing
Mistakes of the past


The more things change
The more they stay the same
We can't grow
When we won't criticize ourselves
The '60s weren't all failure
It's the '70s that stunk
As the clock ticks we dig the same hole
Music scenes ain't real life
They won't get rid of the bomb
Won't eliminate rape
Or bring down the banks
Any kind of real change
Takes more time and work
Than changing channels on a TV set


Posted by Fred Kennedy | September 27, 2013 8:10 AM

I was picnicking at Pelham Bay Park recently and saw a black man wearing a Larry Bird jersey...This city is going to Hell in a handbasket.

Posted by Emily Post | September 27, 2013 8:34 AM





Posted by SHOW VIDEOS | September 27, 2013 9:37 AM

Why does that dude from Oxblood need two microphones? That show looks like a circumcised penis competition.

Ohh, but that might be to Jewish for those "blokes." Brooklyn-ights: Just pay your landlords already.

Posted by JewBlood | September 27, 2013 12:37 PM

Have you heard the good news?

Posted by JesusCrip | September 27, 2013 1:37 PM

I enjoy hairy pussy predicaments, but only under very dark sheets.

Posted by The Muslim Mafia | September 27, 2013 1:52 PM

Show was EPIC! Best of the year!

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2013 3:04 PM

OMG. I sucked sooo many guys off.

Posted by Bill Hozer | September 27, 2013 3:49 PM

Whoever made the Donny the Punk joke is on top of things. or bottom.

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2013 4:45 PM

what is the most commented on post BV has ever had?

Posted by Anonymous | September 27, 2013 5:47 PM

perhaps Public Enemy can headline a show like this next go 'round?

teach some fools about self-respect and intelligent songwriting.

"Haters teach hate that's why we gang bang it."

Posted by jeff | September 27, 2013 7:10 PM

"Black Flag = Real Hardcore"

haaaaaaa. dude, you are seriously out of fucking touch. black flag in 2013 is one of the biggest jokes in music besides oi!.

perhps you should stick to what you know?

Posted by oysters | September 27, 2013 11:15 PM


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Posted by Steve Hooli | September 28, 2013 11:41 AM

@9:37's offensive weapons video. There is clearly at least one dude "Roman Saluting"....

Posted by Anonymous | September 28, 2013 12:27 PM

to Oysters ->
Black Flag AKA Flag.
original Black Flag is Hardcore Punk.

Posted by boss | September 28, 2013 12:53 PM

And speaking on such

White Pride!
Black Flag White Minority

Posted by hahaha yeah | September 28, 2013 12:57 PM

i roman salute to celebrate my heritage you fuckin racist

Posted by Italian Stallion | September 28, 2013 1:10 PM

Yay, @9:37 posted actual videos from the gig!

What was your favorite part?

Mine was comparing the comments on this thread about Acheron's most most multiracial audience evah, with a video of a bunch of white guys throwing up heil hitler salutes.

Posted by Are "Die Posers" a Nazi hipster band? | September 28, 2013 1:16 PM

@9:37, thank you, this makes me proud to be white. Competent musicianship is for negroes.

Posted by Living embodiment of the dangers of a small gene pool | September 28, 2013 1:36 PM

I love skinhead girls because 90 precent of them are dykes. I have known a bunch in my life and they always end up eating some muff. Tell me I am wrong!!!!!

Posted by Ivo | September 29, 2013 5:51 PM

I love skinhead girls because of their sexy bangs mullet haircut. I had an Oi girlfriend in high school. She was chubby, but she looked so fine in her Docs, Fred Perrys and bomber jacket. Miss you Stacy. Good times.

Posted by Anonymous | September 29, 2013 6:01 PM

All you skin birds are lesbos. I hope you all get tongue cancer Oi!

Posted by Ivo | September 29, 2013 8:36 PM

Aw, no! Looks like after those gig videos got posted, all the actual skinheads have cleared out of here in embarrassment and it's just us trolls left. No fun.

But since I'm here anyway, all true hipsters should know that Hitler was just a lame rip-off of Genghis Khan, who was doing that whole liebensraum thing before it was cool. Mongol power! I'm out.

Posted by Has anybody seen Kyle? He's about this tall | September 29, 2013 9:11 PM

Yeah good job! We chased those nasty skinheads off BV! Trolls rule ok? We run the blogs, we rule the Internet. Y'all better recognize , straight up kicking ass on the net! Whoop whoop! Hail nerd victory. I'm gonna go write an e-poem now and groom my ironic mustache! Peace out fellow e-buddies!

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2013 3:47 PM

@3:47 My god, you're right. Trolls are the... the skinheads of the internet. I... need a moment.

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2013 8:30 PM


Hardcore fell off at the end of the '80s? Really? Try you gave up on it before or at decade's end, because hardcore including NYHC was alive and well in 1990, I am SOOO sick of reading how it was dead when it wasn't. DMS doesn't represent NYHC, never did, never will. DMS destroyed NYHC. Any DMS "skin" was a fake skin.

Bootboy shows? Um, you didn't have any "Bootboy" shows in the early '90s because you would've been stomped out by DMS and other crews for your bigoted/racist stance. There wasn't a single "Bootboy" show in Manhattan 1990-93.

I never said Sheer Terror was/is Oi (they are not - where'd you get that?) or that I wanted to be "gangster". YDL, Brute Force, and American Eagle were not American Oi!, they were boneheads who never played NYC 1990-93 because they were boneheads, and they lived in fear of DMS etc. YDL was done sometime in '89. Stronghold barely existed. Wretched Ones and Niblick Henbane were not "Oi" bands, they were Headache Records bands - nice revisionist history. Sick Society, Brute Force, and American Eagle barely existed.

LOL that you didn't say Anti-Heros was American Oi! when they were

No hardcore, no American Oi! Like them or not Harley Flanagan and Ray Barbieri (RIP) were the first NYC skinheads and ones to bring the UK punk aesthetic to NYC.

FLAG? First off, they're not Black Flag, they're a cash-in. It's Keith Morris's supplemental income to Off! Second you really are out of touch and obviously someone who stopped going to hardcore shows by '90 or never went to a hardcore show and is talking out of his ass. 'Guess you never heard or saw War Zone, Agnostic Front, Cro-Mags, and Sick Of It All (NYHC) and I got news for you Fordham Baldie: NYC Oi like YDL, Sick Society, Brute Force, and American Eagle don't exist without the first three bands. AE ripped off War Zone.

Posted by D | September 30, 2013 8:58 PM


Harley and Ray were the first skinheads to bring the UK skinhead aesthetic to NYC (boots, braces etc.)

Posted by D | September 30, 2013 9:02 PM

Shut up D you cheezits eating nerd

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2013 9:58 PM

D speaks TRUTH!!! Show some respect.

Harley and Ray taught 80s New Yorkers to dress like 60s Brits dressing like 50s Jamaicans. And that's how TRUE AMERICAN WORKING CLASS TRADITION was invented.

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2013 10:29 PM


Posted by Teddyboy Greg the Edwardian barber | September 30, 2013 11:00 PM

stop bein racist we dont need it. black people are ok as long as their born in america and proud of it, arent muslim and hate soicalism.

Posted by Anonymous | September 30, 2013 11:55 PM

DMS D - Really? D.M.S. Stood for Doc Marten Stomp aka Doc Marten Skinheads. But then something LAUGHABLE happened. They all started wearing sneakers!

Thats when Bands Like Oxblood and alot of other bands popped up. We created a seperate scene from you hair farmers and gangsta wanna be wigga kids.

We created NYC oi for what it is (hmmm almost forgot the PRESS in there, yes they were as red as they may be one of the first NYC Oi! bands)

Drugs Money Sex is a joke. It has NOTHING to do with SKINHEADS. NYHC is its own thing.

Yeah Ive been to billions of HC shows at CBGB, Wetlands, Lamours, Ritz, ci high etc since day one.

I know all about NYHC but it has nothing to do with Oi!.

Now pull your pants up, put your sneakers back on, fix your baseball cap and fall back with the rest of the wigs.

We are Skins and hardcore never supported us so go bite a big one. Oi!

Posted by proppaskin | October 1, 2013 9:22 AM

I was the first Skinhead in NYC. Everyone copied my style. Then I moved to Atlanta and started being a redneck. I now live in Sweden and I play with a lot of meatballs.

Posted by Andy Scum | October 1, 2013 11:06 AM

For the record noone chased the RASH SKINS out of NYC. We left when we flunked out of NYU and our parents stopped paying for our apartments.

Posted by RASH | October 1, 2013 11:15 AM

RASH is still around.

We still post stuff online and try to get shows shut down.

We still play the same tired reggae that never caught on in the 60's

We still witch-hunt and call everyone who isnt a Communist a racist.

We have a night at Ottos shrunken head on Thursday nights. Come down and be like Stalin

Posted by I have a RASH NYC | October 1, 2013 12:59 PM

Name me one successful Communist country?

Posted by Tibor | October 1, 2013 2:22 PM

China (you retard.)

Posted by Anonymous | October 1, 2013 3:11 PM

Me never heard uv China. What am China????

Posted by Tiborg | October 1, 2013 3:20 PM

So China is a great example of communist utopia? hahhahaha

Posted by Wotan | October 1, 2013 4:02 PM

I will be honest. The NYC Skinhead scene seems to have new life and more kids are showing up at shows. One thing that I have noticed around the bars in Brooklyn is that there is large group of nonskins that hand out with the skins. I think it's cool and offers a real alternative to the same old gay night life of NYC. Oi! Flushing HS Skins!!!!

Posted by Billy Idol | October 1, 2013 4:10 PM

you guys are all Nazis and rash will beat your asses 211

Posted by Dan kliener | October 2, 2013 10:38 PM


Posted by BLACK LEGION | October 3, 2013 10:09 AM

I don't always go to OI shows, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis. Stay thirsty, my friends.

Posted by Jonathan Goldsmith | October 3, 2013 10:31 AM

All a nigga want is some of that lip service
All a nigga want is some of that lip service

Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
I got a stack for the freak show
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
I got a stack for the freak show

Shorty on a molly, mmm prolly
I’m ridin’ with my niggas and we finna catch a botty
I check into the telly, you can just meet me in the lobby
Throw the horses on my portions and the horse on my Ferrari like vrrum bitch vrrum bitch
That DOA, they got sweepin’ with the broom bitch
I’m talkin murda on that pussy, I’m a goon bitch
You smithin that, you make it home by afternoon bitch
Smooth quick, that go whack
Bust it open, you gotta boyfriend
And will I fuck him? No
But you tell me he a sucka though
Tellin me listen I done suck a nigga dick or something, Bitch

Suck a nigga dick ho, Bitch
Suck a nigga dick ho
I got a stack for the freak show
I got a stack for the freak show

All a nigga want is some of that lip service
All a nigga want is some of that lip service

2 Chainz in these chains in this bitch ho..
Let me rephrase it

2 Chainz in your bitch ho, Bustin over instrumentals
Bust that pussy that pimples
Bustin like pistols, fuck it
I’m bustin that simple
I’m getting head while im ridin
Chauffeur drivin
If you turn around man your gonna get fired
All I spit is fire like a dragon
I love new pussy, I should’ve kept the tag on
Born to win and I’m built to last
When I had the Waka used to give him blast
Uh, In the bank like I’m finna lap
And when I left, all you see is some dealer tag

Suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
I got a stack for the freak show
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
I got a stack for the freak show

All a nigga want is some of that lip service
All a nigga want is some of that lip service

Aye oh
I take ATL DOA, MIA it’s KOD
When you hear them albums back
I’ll be going straight OD
Straight OD, straight OG, you know that I ball ho
I got these bitches looking for me, you should call me Waldo
I tell er to bust it open, bust it like a hog ho
Throw the money in the air, something very far though
Did I leave? Did I leave?
My new chicken got my speed
I be getting ball player money like I’m in the league
In the league, all I want is lip service
I could kill that pussy, all you bitches gettin murdered
Swerving I bet they say
Top off and no tope
These haters say I’m too baked
Cuz I be swaggin hot new Js

Suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
I got a stack for the freak show
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
I got a stack for the freak show

All a nigga want is some of that lip service
All a nigga want is some of that lip service

Posted by Sean Davis | October 3, 2013 5:22 PM

To the guy who keeps posting lyrics of hip hop songs that all read like a marginally more eloquent black Ian Stuart Donaldson:

Please post vidz, some of us here like hip hop and wanna judge these in the context of the music, and also see if they're as hilarious as NYC oi.

Posted by Rock n roll was black | October 3, 2013 10:47 PM

i was at the gig. in the bathroom, biggest human centipede i've ever seen.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 11:10 PM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 11:53 PM

Free Charles Manson!

Posted by semi-political skin | October 4, 2013 7:08 AM

What does 211 stand for?

Posted by RASH | October 4, 2013 11:53 AM

A latecomer asks: so, are skinheads basically wiggas, except instead of pretending to be black, they're pretending to be English working class?

Thanks to anyone who can clear this up.

Posted by Last of the night wiggas | October 4, 2013 7:54 PM

"Raybeez? More like GAY-BEEZ. That nigga sucked so much dick back in the day and got aids from all that gay skinhead shit he was down with" - Harley F.

Posted by Anonymous | October 6, 2013 11:46 AM

Obviously there's not many smart people who post on this site.

Posted by Anonymous | October 6, 2013 9:31 PM

You meant to say there AREN'T many smart people, right?

Posted by Grammar Nazis Against Actual Nazis | October 7, 2013 10:52 AM

I will destroy all who come to my lair of sodomy at the Acheron. I will powerbomb you through the top of a steel cage much like I did Paul Burnley when I took over lead vocals of No Remorse.

There's a BBQ at the Acheron you better come. How do you like your hipsters? Do you like em well done?

Posted by Big Jacko | October 10, 2013 12:01 AM

Fuck fascism and fuck fascist sympathizers. I'm not afraid to conceal my identity. If you wanna arrange a meeting to "discuss" this further call me at (908) 268-7315. Anti fascists unite to fuck the butts of the nazis!

Posted by Dave Perry | October 10, 2013 1:16 PM

@Dave Perry,

I tried to call you but the number wasn't working.

I was very interested in your offer to "fuck the butts of nazis".

As a modern skinhead I regularly enjoy being anally penetrated by incoherent right-wing populists of all races, but I have not yet experimented sexually with anyone outside my scene. Okay, apart from this one guy who I think was just a fetishist pretending to be a skinhead, but that doesn't count cos he looked totally skin.

But anyway. Do you like ice cream?

Posted by Anonymous | October 10, 2013 4:08 PM

Dave Perry, and every Marxist supporter in some aspect that are given non-fascists a hard time for having WP types in the gig will have to answer to "actual" crimes of their idols before they talk anymore smack, and that's the way I see it. These people got off way to easy, and have no business telling people who they can hang out with or have attend a gig. Funny enough it's that same attitude that lead to the wrongful imprisonment of this lady in the above article for 10 years,and we're not buying it so don't think some of us are taking a side over the other cause it's not true. The gig went great, and no WP people went into a racist/Nazi Tatum. Sure a few people, even the staff were intimidated, but there were no real problems that put anybodies harm at risk so all in all it went well considering the diverse peoples, and agendas each person had of their own at this gig. It was just like any other night and bar in America and treated like such so whats the problem. Dave Perry and friends this gig was, and is none of your business no matter what your unlawful social justice textbooks tell ya, and you guys need to pack up your arguments. Also the Acheron needs to apologize to Offensive Weapon for concert issues that should of been taken up with them before they put this issue in the press for every third party to judge. ~

Posted by Anonymous | October 10, 2013 9:01 PM

I think the acheron needs to do more than apologize to off. weapon.. they should actually pay some money. I'm actually considering a skinhead class action lawsuit. its time we took over one of these weak spots in the city based on discrimination.

Posted by boss rudeboy | October 11, 2013 2:14 PM

for the record that show was full of actual nazis and those who are okay with it. i was there. regarding the non-white people there? they are a bunch of dumb spics into white power shit, absolute loser scum tough guys who sniff glue and suck white power cock even though real nazis would never be down with them and their not straight hair and neanderthal third world spic culture. and there it is. so stop using that as an excuse to protect your white power fetish culture. the bottom line is the skinhead scene in nyc overall is full of shitty anti-social garbage who get off on being into white power music whether or not they are 'white power.'

Posted by skinheadswontfightoneonone | October 12, 2013 12:47 AM

@2:14, PLEASE start that skinhead class action lawsuit against discrimination!

That would be the funniest shit ever - partly because it would inevitably involve skinheads trying to position themselves within the tradition of left wing African-American social activism, and partly because skinheads trying to articulate a political position without fists are generally hilarious.

Go go go!

Posted by Pro Bono Republico | October 12, 2013 9:49 AM


Posted by Eric Scott | October 13, 2013 9:50 PM

Trads used to be cool haha when we had our own Nation : ) Pan Aryanism and Pro White Nationalism will rise again one day with great and just cause. Hail B & H ! These guys are a band worth listening to I'll go to a show if they ever come to Denver CO. 1488

Posted by Haleigh | October 16, 2013 2:40 PM

So...there was an Oi! show in Brooklyn?
...and everyone is flipping their shit over the fact that someone looked like they might have been a bonehead...or had "questionable politics" Anyone else find it odd that rappers can glorify crime and mistreating women along with a smattering of racism every now and then and no one bats an eye but these guys catch hell for simply doing what they like doing, which (from the bands I am familiar with that were there)don't include racism and do include patriotic/anti-terrorist ideals ...inside the city that was hit by the worst terrorist attack in US history nonetheless....?

Remember when everyone didn't go around accusing the skinheads of being racist or fascist or communist or vegan or republican or baptist... whatever because the media has done such a wonderful job of portraying us to the masses.

Yeah me either.

Posted by Anonymous | October 26, 2013 10:14 AM

@10:14 hilarious

>"patriotic/anti-terrorist ideals"

...said literally every single ultra-right-wing extremist, ever.

>"the media has done such a wonderful job of portraying us to the masses"

The media has ignored you for decades, apart from the admittedly rare occasions when some of you do some openly Nazi shit in public. Otherwise, you're a joke, albeit a dangerous joke that tends to fight ten-on-one.

I'm not the guy above who said "the bottom line is the skinhead scene in nyc overall is full of shitty anti-social garbage who get off on being into white power music whether or not they are 'white power'", but that guy nailed it.

Posted by Anonymous | October 28, 2013 10:46 PM

To best force an enemy onto people who don't like them present them while slandering them.

Posted by sun tzu | October 29, 2013 11:11 PM

This is why white people shouldn't be allowed to play shows.

Posted by RASH NYC | November 5, 2013 1:08 PM

Im gonna hit this point by point,so please follow if you can :

ANTIFA - a group of assholes known for jumping old men wearing Lynyrd Skynyrd shirts because there was a confederate flag on it (no,im not joking). Also known for kicking in the doors of suspected racists and attacking anyone in the house(without proof or concern for safety of any occupants...infants,kids & elderly included)

Oxblood - Furthest band from being racist,look them up on google images and you'll figure out why pretty quickly

Stormwatch - Patriotic band singing patriotic oi.Have routinely been called nazis for the last 20 years,not because they are...but because they wont join or support S.H.A.R.P/ARA/AFA/ANTIFA.You see , these anti racist groups are more fascist then any of the nazi orgs in this country .

Offensive Weapon - Another patriotic band , similar to Stormwatch & Youth Defense League , singing about blue collar , patriotic music thats NOT country music. Same with the bands MADDOG SURRENDER.

If people on here are going to be a bunch of hypocritical douchebags....lets start with :

Jimmy Drescher AKA Jimmy GESTAPO from Murphy's Law (yes,gave himself that nickname)

Harley Flanagan thanks Ian Stuart on the Best Wishes album

Raybeez routinely wore Skrewdriver tshirts on stage and before they were known as WARZONE,they were called SKINHEAD YOUTH

Agnostic Front's song PUBLIC ASSISTANCE has been called racist since the day they released it despite Roger being cuban.

Youth Defense League - nationalistic , hardhitting oi that played white pride music with a jewish and spanish member in the band.


And in all honesty,if you judge a band by the people who come their shows,then the following bands are all nazis too :


This is a kneejerk reaction to finding out skinhead bands played in a city they routinely play shows in . This is stupid.If anyone has that strong a feeling about , please feel free to walk up to the first skinhead you see and tell them they dont have the right to think , feel , speak or listen to what they want . Youve now just become as much of a fascist asshole as you claim them to be .

For the last 28 years Ive listened to gaylords whip themselves into a frenzy at the malls,then the clubs and now online about who is what and its beyond old.

True skinheads dont give a fuck about none of you , your opinions or how you feel....much as you should feel about them. Its 2014,grow the fuck up and get over yourselves .

Posted by Oxblood Stomper | January 2, 2014 4:25 AM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2014 5:03 AM

there are white women who only make love to black and brown men because they feel that the caucasian males do not possess the necessary masculine qualities for satisfying their desires
this is why the skin head movement started, because they thought that cutting off their long hair would make them more manly. nobody was fooled by this. everyone knows that the skin heads are trying in vain to compensate for their inbred shortcomings
every time a woman rejects a white boy for a black or brown man another hair sprouts on a skin head's scalp

Posted by drop kick murphys nazi salute on stage during AC DC cover | January 2, 2014 5:46 AM

Hey dropkick , I see you found enough time to post after jerking off and blowing old men in the Greyhound bus station bathrooms . The only shortcomings we have as a group or individuals is not laying the boots to pussies like you more often...but then again,anytime any of us get in a fight...pussies always want to claim hate crime against us.Get off your keyboard and come see any of us at the next oi show in NYC...we'll be more then happy to speak at length with you outside the club. Always willing to educate an idiot.

Posted by Oxblood Stomper | January 4, 2014 8:25 PM

You dont like us , we dont like you either.Do something about it.

Posted by Oxblood Stomper | January 4, 2014 8:26 PM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | January 4, 2014 8:42 PM

Rich hipsters with white guilt and a leftwinged agenda go home, you're drunk.

Posted by Bernando | January 17, 2014 4:00 AM

Rich hipsters with white guilt and a leftwinged agenda go home, you're drunk.

Posted by Bernando | January 17, 2014 4:01 AM

I feel its necessary to revive this comment thread, because racist.

Posted by Anonymous | January 29, 2014 7:23 AM

So, its ok to dress like a nazi in RAC clothes, seig heil as a joke, and hang out with nazis and other hate groups, but you are shocked when people treat you like a nazi? Its "not fair" when the people are mean to you? I thought you were skinheads. You sound like a herd of ska nerd internet antifas thugs when you cry about a stereotype that you perpetuate in your own scene among your own kind.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 5:45 AM

one comment said he didnt remember a time when skinheads werent labeled. i do. am i the oldest person on here? you kids are wild.

Posted by Anonymous | January 31, 2014 6:02 AM

White pride worldwide !

Keep it white !

Posted by Timmy | February 5, 2014 1:31 AM

I was at that show. How naughty of me. I'm a bad boy and I deserve to be punished. Click on link for details.

Posted by Josh Grant | February 8, 2014 9:09 PM

I just glad no one see me attack stupid Jamaican blacky

Posted by Sakevi Yokoyama | February 15, 2014 3:37 PM

Fuck furry furfags
Fuck Antifa!

Posted by Furry Holocaust | February 15, 2014 3:56 PM

Being ignorant is awesome!

Posted by Anonymous | February 23, 2014 8:04 PM

All this talk makes me wanna eat pussy.

Posted by Klk | February 25, 2014 10:09 PM

First of all, I understand an establishment wanting to hold onto their regulars, but it was apparent the bar itself made a lot last night and I did not see anything but one incident concerning an extremely disrespectful individual having occurred (This individual was not associated with anyone else present and because they caused an issue in an otherwise friendly environment, were forced to leave).

Posted by Mim | October 18, 2014 1:35 PM

Skinheads suck!!!

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Someone made homophobic comments to my wife at your venue. I'll be seeing you in court, mate.

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I'm so sorry, Mr Schott. Please don't write a song about me.

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