Posted in music on October 3, 2013

Miley Cyrus

Earlier today we posted a letter that Sinead O'Connor wrote to Mikey Cyrus (and update: now another letter too). Now Amanda Palmer has written a letter to Sinead about that letter, and you can read it in full below....

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AMANDA PALMER's LETTER TO SINEAD O'CONNOR

Dear Sinéad,

I love you. I grew up worshipping your music and your bold attitude and, especially, your refusal to sign up to the bullshit beauty standard. You were one of the few women rockstars that was clearly doing things her own way, and you inspired me to no end. I want to thank you for doing that. I listened to your stunning voice and your true, deep lyrics endlessly on my walkman, flipping the tape again, and again, then again, then again...and I know those ingredients still live and breathe inside me every time I write a song of my own. You shaped me.

I read your letter to Miley Cyrus this morning and I wanted to write back to you. I'm writing this on my cell phone in a plane on the way to Dallas, TX to play a benefit tonight for a group called Girls Rock Dallas...a local group that empowers young girls to become brave musicians. The timing is pretty wonderful and I want to talk to them all tonight about Miley and your letter.

As a musician and a songwriter, I grew up alone, writing in solitude. I don't know how old you were when you signed your major recording contract, but both of us know that we didn't go through what Miss Miley here went through - growing up in public and never having the golden opportunity to incubate in her own private world of making-art unseen, thoughts and words with no audience, no big public mirror. You and I had this, more or less, or we at least had it more than Miley. For an artist, that time to incubate is a special kind of gift. We should be really grateful for it. I know I am.

I think you're right on about so many things, and I also applaud you for posting to your own site with a open letter instead of speaking via rolling stone or any of the other journalists who were calling you to comment. For the most part, they really don't seem to care very much about the real issues at hand and we're all just click-bait. What are the real issues...? You and I know it - being a female musician/rockstar/whatever is a pretty fucking impossible and mind-bendingly frustrating job. Our male counterparts are given a way wider playing field than we are. It's a Chinese finger trap that reflects the basic problems of our women-times: we're either scolded for looking sexy or we're scolded for not playing the game. Those who manage to find a perfect balance are rare, and the culture at large seems hellbent on undermining our ability to create that balance peacefully within ourselves. And weirdly, it's generally women scolding other women...we're our own worst enemies. Which is not to say there aren't some mean motherfucking men out there. I faced my fair share of that sort when I was at a major label and told that I was too fat to wear a bra on stage for my Leeds United music video. I stood my ground and got my way, but that was the beginning of the end of my relationship with those dudes. (Funny, the irony here: *I* had to FIGHT my label to be half-naked in a video...)

Here's where I think you're off target. Miley is, from what I can gather, in charge of her own show. She's writing the plot and signing the checks, and although I think it's tempting to imagine her in the board room of label assholes and management, I don't think any of them masterminded her current plan to be a raging, naked, twerking sexpot. I think that's All Miley All The Way. Now, would these men ARGUE with her when she comes into the room and throws down her treatment to hop up naked on the proverbial (and literal) wrecking ball? Of course not. Sex sells. We all know it. Miley knows it better than anyone: swinging naked on a big metal ball simply gets you more hits than swinging on a big metal ball wearing clothes. We're mammals. LOOK BOOBS! And even more tantalizing: LOOK HANNAH MONTANA BOOBS! But none of this means that Miley is following anyone else's script. In fact, what I see is Miley desperately trying to write her own script; truly trying to be taken seriously (even if its in a nakedly playful way) by the standards of her own peers.

You and I are no strangers to controversy and we both know how it feels to be screamed at by the public, by the music press, to be misunderstood, reviled, ignored, and used as a punching bag for a larger cultural conversation. It is always my fantasy that we can take these painful experiences and feed them back to the upcoming generation of women rockers in a way that creates a larger playing field instead of a smaller one. I want female musicians to feel like they can do MORE with their mad artistic energy, not LESS. I want women to feel less trapped inside their bodies, less afraid to express themselves, less afraid to be nailed to the cross of the cultural beauty standard. But that necessarily means there needs to be room on the vast playing field for Adele to wear a conservative suit, room for Lady Gaga to do naked performance art in the woods, room for PJ Harvey to wear high-collared 18th century jackets on stage, room for Natasha Kahn to pose boldly naked on the cover of her last record, and room for Miley to rip a page out of stripper culture and run around like a maniac for however long she wants to.

Do I want a whole generation of teenagers looking at Miley Cyrus to determine that the only way to get hits and hawk your music is to rip your clothes off and wiggle around as violently and loudly as possible? (And while we're at it - while weighing close to nothing and looking perfectly manicured without a single eyelash or molecule of mascara out of place even when a tear rolls down your face?)

Fuck no. But I don't want to tell them it's wrong, either, because like I said: the field has to encompass EVERYTHING. There's no way Miley is going to read your letter and turn around saying "holy shit, they've been taking advantage of me this whole time!" She's been taking advantage of herself, of her youth, her fame and her sexuality...and she knows it. We females all do this, to some extent, and we just want to feel like it's our hand on the joystick. Telling her that her team is to blame is telling her that she's not steering her own career and decisions, and I think she'll just feel patronized.

When I was about 15 (not inconsequentially, right around the time I was listening to your albums non-stop on my long walks to high school every morning), I started having fights with my mother every time I left for school. I'd decided to dress like an oversexed punk and my attire often consisted of sheer lingerie worn over ripped tights and Doc Martens. You remember. This was 1991. My mother would say: "Amanda Palmer, get back in the house and put some real clothes on. You look like a prostitute. I won't have my daughter walking around town like a harlot." (I swear to god, my mother actually used the word harlot. Bless.)

I would say: "It's my life fuck you I didn't ask to be born etc etc", grumble back into the house, and throw a flannel dress over my entire ensemble...which I would, of course, remove and stuff back into my bag the minute I got to school.

I know my mother was trying to protect me. She loved me. She didn't want me to fall into dangerous situations, she didn't want me to be ridiculed, she didn't want people to think badly of me. And often they did - the jocks all called me Freak and Lesbo in the halls. But I took it as almost a marker of success - I didn't want to belong to their club. I took the rolling eyeballs and raised eyebrows of my peers, teachers and parents as a sign that I was on the right track. It was my artist's uniform, and I was learning how to wear it with pride; I was figuring myself out.

I'm 37 and I'm still trying, and I change my uniform sometimes. Sometimes I play with nudity because it makes people pay attention, sometimes I play with nudity because it makes me loudly vulnerable to those in the room and it turns their brains inside-out as I challenge them to see me for what I am...without clothes.

As much as we may not want to see it this way - because, from a far distant she looks like just another airbrushed hottie from a lite beer commercial - we gotta give Miley (and every female) space to try on her artist's uniform. It's like a game of cosmic dress-up, but the stakes are high. If we're allowed to play it, we're empowered. If we're not, we're still in a cage.

While it may be true that the live-fast-die-young sex-pot female pop stars are washed up and thrown on the "rag heap", like you say, wouldn't it be better if we changed the entire plot instead of dealing with it as it's been handed to us? Keith Richards and Jagger go out there night after night and shake their asses and everyone oohs and aahs that they've managed to age and maintain their spot at the sexy table.

Why shouldn't this be true for women? Who says Miley can't flip the script anytime she wants?

I want to live in a world where Miley (or any female musician) can twerk wildly at 20, wear a full-cover floral hippie mumu at 37, show up at 47 in see-through latex, and pose semi-naked, like Keith & co, on the cover of rolling stone at 57 and be APPLAUDED for being so comfortable with her body. This is not to say that women have to play the desperate I'M-STILL-SEXY game as they age. Watching Madonna's plastic surgeries and apparent stubbornness around aging just makes my inner teenager want to scream (YOU'RE MADONNA! YOU COULD HAVE MADE AGING SEXY GODAMMIT AND YOU DIDN'T!!), but the grown-up in me just pauses for a breath and remembers that Madonna is just carving out her section of the playing field. How she chooses to sculpt her face and body is just...her choice. I gotta let her make it and applaud her for being her, even if I'd never make the same choices.

This is a push for more freedom, and in order to make it there, we have to jump massive hurdles and set assumptions. I've been following you and the very candid writings on your site about sex and your own sexuality....and I can't imagine you disagree with me on this point: women need more freedom to say what they want (double entendre there), express what they want (same) and be respected for their bravery, not reprimanded for endangering themselves.

I want to live in a world where the internal dialogue of a woman's brain has evolved to the point where a female performer can wear a sex-pot outfit and, instead of the all-too-common head-chatter chorus of "UNFAIR! MANIPULATED! WEAK! MANIPULATIVE! EVIL!", she dons her sexy costume and hears internal voices screaming "FAIR! POWERFUL! PLAYFUL! BRAVE! SEXY!" You know...you go girl. But not "you go girl and be manipulated by the man, or manipulate the men in your wake". just..."you go girl and wear whatever the fuck you want. And play smart."

I want to live in a world where WE as women determine what we wear and look like and play the game as our fancy leads us, army pants one minute and killer gown the next, where WE decide whether or not we're going to play games with the male gaze and the starry-eyed hard-ons that can make men so easy to manipulate. But seriously, let's all play the game together, with a wink and a nudge...so we don't hurt each other. If men and women don't have a constantly open dialogue about how we do and don't (or should and shouldn't) manipulate and play with each other, we all lose. We are all fragile humans with little time on this beautiful, sexually-charged, ecstatic planet. Let's share it to the fullest extent that we can and make the playing field for all of us the size of the whole earth.

In other words, let's give our young women the right weapons to fight with as they charge naked into battle, instead of ordering them to get back in the house and put some goddamn clothes on.

With immense respect,

Amanda Palmer

P.S. I love you and your music so much, Sinéad, and a bunch of people on my Twitter feed send their love as well. Thank you for writing this letter and giving me the the chance to crank my brain open, and I hope I get to meet you in person someday so I can weep and thank you for everything you've done for me and for so many others.

P.P.S. For any of y'all curious to check out those wonderful Sinéad albums that provided my teenage soundtrack, the two big ones were "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got" and "The Lion and the Cobra". I'll leave it up to Sinéad to let you know whether to buy them on iTunes or just go torrent them. I don't know how her relationship with Ensign/Chrysalis is...chances are those labels don't even exist anymore. :)

UPDATE: Sinead wrote a second letter to Miley

Amanda Palmer and her husband Neil Gaiman are going on tour and playing two nights at Town Hall in NYC.

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Comments (199)

Where do I post my open letter to end open letters?

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:35 PM

I hope D. writes an open letter to Amanda Palmer.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:37 PM

I want to live in a world where Miley and Amanda Palmer disappear

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:38 PM

Amanda Palmer got word that she wasn't the center of attention today and quickly jumped into action.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:39 PM

Would

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:39 PM


Women Are Vain

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:40 PM

There is no imaginable scenario where I think I could give enough of a shit to read even half that letter. It makes it so much worse that she wrote it on her cell phone. Just the sheer effort and self-aggrandizing attitude one most have to take the time to unleash this is truly awfull and boner killing.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:40 PM

Dear Amanda Palmer,

TL;DR

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:40 PM

Dear Sinead,
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
Love,
Amanda Palmer

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:41 PM

Next stop on the Miley train = porn movies.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:43 PM

" benefit tonight for a group called Girls Rock Dallas"

Amanda: Let's see. 95% for me. 5% for the benefit. That's cool right?

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:44 PM

nice placement of half-nude girl photo here, the proceeds from the clicks of which will surely benefit said half-nude artiste, yes? definitely not like, the male folk that are behind this website.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:45 PM

4:39 and 4:41 nail it.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:46 PM

she doesn't really expect anyone to read all that does she?

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:46 PM

Dear Sinead,
we have much in common. you shaved your head and sang a prince song. i shave my back and eat prince spaghetti.
Thanks,
random internet person

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:47 PM

Who the fuck is Amanda Palmer?

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:47 PM

my favorite part of any time AP barfs up an open letter to anyone is when it inevitably gets posted here and reading the comments.

but really, let's start a kickstarter for making Amanda Palmer shutting the fuck up.

how Neil married her - well. it wasn't for her open letters for sure.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:49 PM

Unlike Sinead's letter, I gave up on reading this one after about 8 seconds.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:50 PM

Ok, enough open letters to people. Enough. Who fucking gives two shits whether you're tearing up pics of the pope on SNL, sticking out your dumb, sexless tongue and wearing men's underwear, or simply doing a million in kickstarter funds for your terrible, terrible, terrible music. I read the two letters to Miley and I gotta tell you, both made me sicker than Miley's Rihanna, by way of Pink, wanna be personality. Really Sinead? men are all evil, sex pigs looking to tear up a woman's soul and pimp her out??? Sure. What the fuck ever...I've worked with some of the nastiest people on earth and guess what? they were not men, oh no, not one of them. Sinead is so obviously coming from another era that her letter is almost archaic and in 2013? totally off track. Only 10% of the workforce I've been working with in the last 10 years are made up of men so Sinead's theory is from possibly 1988. Do what you want Miley, apparently, and Sinead needs to figure this one out too, both women and men like your stuff a ton. That would be why you're famous as well and Miss Palmer and Miss O'Connor is well...

Posted by oh fuck off. | October 3, 2013 4:52 PM

Amanda Palmer and Sinead O'Connor are smarter and hotter than little Miley...Said no one ever.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:54 PM

are these chicks DTF or what

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:57 PM

laughed out loud @441

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:58 PM

@4:52 Almost as long as Amanda Palmers letter.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 4:59 PM

Neil Gaiman and Amanda Palmer both write for 14 year old goths.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 5:00 PM

Remember when people used to write letters with pen and paper,and they were sent through the mail, and generally only read by the people they were addressed to?

I miss those days.

Posted by The Mighty KC | October 3, 2013 5:03 PM

I couldn't get through that whole thing. I imagine Sinead on plane googling Amanda Palmer to figure out who the hell that is.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 5:07 PM

Couldn't this have come out earlier in the day?! I'm just about to leave work...could've used this thread to kill time this afternoon, BV.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 5:10 PM

Sinead's response: ?? Who are you?

Posted by Bill | October 3, 2013 5:18 PM

Amanda Palmer considers Miley Cyrus an artist

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 5:19 PM

did anyone actually read this?

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 5:21 PM

Sinead wrote her letter because she was being pressed to comment after Miley name-checked her in an interview. So it's like Miley calls Sinead onto the stage, Sinead reluctantly comes up & speaks from her heart, and then out of nowhere Amanda Palmer comes barreling through the audience, jumps onto the stage, grabs the mic and blathers for half an hour about what a badass she was in high school.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 5:31 PM

An open letter to Neil Gaiman: Dear Neil, It's no longer possible to read anything you've ever done without thinking about how you married this dipshit, so I'm throwing it all in the recycling bin.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 5:32 PM

^ Neil Gaiman has always been overrated.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 5:39 PM

@5:31 IMA LET YOU FINISH SINEAD

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 6:05 PM

didn't read lol

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 6:17 PM

More from Sinead:
NOTHER OPEN LETTER TO MILEY CYRUS
Miley… Really? Who the fuck is advising you? Because taking me on is even more fuckin’ stupid than behaving like a prostitute and calling it feminism. You have posted today tweets of mine which are two years old, which were posted by me when I was unwell and seeking help so as to make them look like they are recent. In doing so you mock myself and Amanda Bynes for having suffered with mental health issues and for having sought help.
I mean really really… who advises you? have you any idea how stupid and dangerous it is to mock people for suffering illness? You will yourself one day suffer such illness, that is without doubt. The course you have set yourself upon can only end in that, trust me.
I am staggered that any 20 yr old woman of the 21st century could behave in such a dangerous and irresponsible manner as to not only send the signal to young women that its ok to act like prostitutes but also to the signal that those who have suffered or do suffer mental health problems are to be mocked and have their opinions invalidated. Have you no sense of danger at all? or responsibility? Remove your tweets immediately or you will hear from my lawyers. I am certain you will be hearing from all manner of mental health advocacy groups also. It is not acceptable to mock any person for having suffered.
It is most unbecoming of you to respond in such a fashion to someone who expressed care for you. And worse that you are such an anti-female tool of the anti-female music industry. I hope that you will apologise to Amanda Bynes and to any person who has been wounded by your mockery of those who have suffered. And I hope that you will wake up and understand that you in fact are a danger to women.
Furthermore you posted a photo of me tearing the pope’s photo .. as if to imply insanity.. by doing so all you have achieved is to expose your staggering ignorance. I suggest you read The Philadelphia Report, The Boston Report, all the reports which will illuminate for you why that action of mine remains sane and valid. By mocking it you mock every child who suffered sexual abuse at the hands of priests and had it covered by the Vatican. You could really do with educating yourself, that is if you’re not too busy getting your tits out to read.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 6:23 PM

Shut the Fuck up Amanda Palmer. Sinead O'Connor was a mere 18 years old and Pregnant, mind you, when she fired her producer, took over the production of her debut album The Lion & The Cobra, received Grammy nominations for it and still retained her artistic credibility. She wrote the songs, there was no auto tune, no 13 producers, etc. Do you honestly think in 25 years Bangerz will have touched people's lives the way Sinead still does to this day with her debut? Mind you this was BEFORE Sinead released her follow up at age 21 that contained her "HIT"? Get a life. If Miley was an "artist" she'd be playing and singing self penned songs on an acoustic with no gimmicks. That is longevity. You are completely missing the point. Hold up, let me donate my hard earned money to your self funded antics that quite frankly won't be in around in 25 years either.

Posted by me | October 3, 2013 6:36 PM

Oh jesus this nutcase again. Her fans are total assholes too. Go away!

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 6:50 PM

Hi. I'm Amanda. I wanted to talk about this issue. But let's just start with me talking about me. And my twitter followers. And then let's end it there. This is a letter about this issue so it can be a letter about, well, me. Thanks, Sinead! I fancy you, somehow, as the person who made me! Me, me, me! Bye!

SHOCKING. Well, not really.

Posted by Phil | October 3, 2013 7:03 PM

Miley Cyrus > Amanda Palmer

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 7:08 PM

For once, someone is advocating NOT JUDGING Miley and letting her be, and what are all you assholes doing? Judging.

Posted by Andy | October 3, 2013 7:13 PM

Miley is a young, dumb, over priveledged slut. She was born into the entertainement field, and has been given opportunties end over end that hard working artist would never be allowed. She should quit shitting where she eats, and learn to be himble. Learn that you didn't have earn your way to super star status. Quit trying to prove how edgy you are. Your dad is a one hit wonder that stuck around way too long. No one in this would should have ever heard of another Cyrus after that.

Posted by o0 | October 3, 2013 7:16 PM

Oh, and this:
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/90/90ksinatra.phtml

Sinatra: Steve & Eydie, kick Palmer's ass. Leave the bald chick.

Posted by Phil | October 3, 2013 7:17 PM

Sinead had one hit in 1990. Amanda Palmer had no hit ever. neither one is qualified in any way to discuss pop music.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 7:18 PM

452 & 623 Get yourselves a life!

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 7:33 PM

An Open Letter To Amanda Palmer....

Myley is above you my dear... She pays her musicians without having to be shamed into it.

Sinead O'Connor is an icon in the rock music world. Stop trying to ride her coat tails in a vain attempt at promoting your probably boring gig.

Posted by JD | October 3, 2013 7:47 PM

718 Yeah because music should be judged by how many hits an artist has. Sinead has put out a lot of great music, never pandering to the to whatever was hip or popular at the time. Check out her 1st few albums. They are great as are her many collaborations with other artists.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 7:54 PM

another whore pretending to be ABOVE whoring. Id respect her more if she just admitted she was an exhibitionist narcissist ego maniac

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 8:03 PM

oh, by the way, who the hell is she anyway. I guess she saw an opportunity to self promote

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 8:04 PM

Complete and utter bullshit

Posted by Leslie | October 3, 2013 8:09 PM

Who the eff is amanda palmer?

Posted by Les | October 3, 2013 8:11 PM

All of you commenters, with the notable exception of Andy, make me want to projectile vomit over humanity. How far up your own asses can you people possibly be?

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 8:24 PM

Jeez, seems quite a reasonable letter, and all these anons froth at the mouth. "Whore"? "Slut"? Seriously, who are you people, in real life?

Posted by Somebody | October 3, 2013 8:26 PM

this 'open letter' nonsense is way too long but M O T H E R F U C K do these comments not make me miss living in new york. Shockingly hateful and cynical on a (agree or disagree with this random amanda chick) objectively positive, insightful, RESPECTFUL even, message. I just wanna sit on my porch with each of you and a bottle of whiskey and let you vent.

Posted by grace | October 3, 2013 8:27 PM

I can't think of a single artist today that has the talent that O'Connor had back in the 90's to put out her 1st 2 albums. Actually 4 out of her 1st 5 albums were very good. One of the best singers of our generation.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 8:42 PM

So is it OK to twerk? I'm confused.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 8:47 PM

"Sometimes I play with nudity because it makes people pay attention" ... So should all insecure teenagers run around naked for attention then? Instead of actually working on their self-worth?

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 8:51 PM

Um, yes.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 8:55 PM

All of you have missed the point, are entire idiots, and why the fuck am I posting this? Oh, to let you know you're assholes for being caught up in the idea that anyone, particularly women, need to bow to your standards of what is "artistic" "interesting" "meaningful" or whatever the fuck.

what matters is that women be able to express themselves whichever way without being policed or told 'that's not ladylike!'..... That is Amanda's point. Do you think any male artists have been told 'that's not gentlemanly!'? Give me some examples, then we talk.

Fucking douchebag trolling idiots.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 9:17 PM

The dumb troll called me a dumb troll. We seem to be at an impasse.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 9:39 PM

Dumb

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 9:51 PM

Miley is going to break records next week, guaranteed.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 9:52 PM


No one cares about Amanda's point about 'women expressing themselves'. No one cares about Amanda. That's the point.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 9:55 PM

Amanda & Sinead are probably very nice people who smell nice & make nice art, but neither one knows or cares a thing about pop music.

it's just not their thing.

asking them to comment on pop is like asking them to predict the NFC North race.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 9:57 PM

917 Speaking of assholes.....

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 10:09 PM

Nakedness is never empowering. Actual studies that looked at FMRIs in men of images of women showed the following:

1. Women modestly dressed stimulated the brain centers that had to do with relationships and people.

2. Women who were in bikinis (not even naked) caused relationship centers to turn off and the same areas associated with tools and objects were stimulated.

You take off your clothes-- you are an object, not a woman. Empower yourself by respecting yourself.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 10:25 PM

when I do the tuck, I am a woman.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 10:33 PM

"I want to live in a world where Miley (and every woman) can twerk wildly."

Awesome. Let's just continue to ignore the racial stereotyping, appropriating, and accessorizing that Miley has done and is doing to try to be "cool."

Miley twerking at the VMAs was problematic primarily for the insulting racial stereotypes, and consequent appropriation, as well as the use of black women as props and accessories. In the name of all the is good and holy, please do not encourage *more* women to do this!

You wanna shake your ass in sexualized ways, fine, but please stop reducing black culture to hypersexualized ideas and then stealing those. Because that's disgusting and racist.

Posted by P. V. | October 3, 2013 10:34 PM

"problematic" lol

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 10:42 PM

As a feminist who was disgusted with Sinead's letter to Miley, I am so happy Amanda wrote this, from her phone or where ever. Sinead slut shamed and talked negatively about sex workers WAY too much in her letter, and it's great that a famous, talented woman with an understanding of these complex issues came out against her. What is wrong with taking off your clothes? Why use the word "prostiture: in derogatory way? Thank you Amanda, for standing up to those of us who take our clothes off for a living and still proudly call ourselves "Feminists".

Posted by Madison | October 3, 2013 11:35 PM

Ok, 11:35. Turn around so I can put a dollar in your g string.

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 11:45 PM

the iPods

Posted by Anonymous | October 3, 2013 11:52 PM

Since when is it "feminism" to behave in an overtly sexual way to get attention. What about Miley's scantily clad, drug refrencing, race appropriating, mental illness mocking antics makes her a textbook example of "empowerment"? What Miley is doing isn't art. It's purely for profit, because, like everyone else, she knows what sells. And mainstream culture, as well as the music industry, are promoting the idea that to be edgy, independent, and relevant, you have to take your clothes off and misbehave. That's not feminism. It's selling out. I'd love to see more young women pursuing higher education, getting involved in charitable causes, and using their brains in general. You can still be independent and sexy without constantly flashing your assets and sticking out your tongue.

Posted by Sarah | October 4, 2013 12:22 AM

This makes a lot more sense than Sinead's letter

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 12:35 AM

1135 She's not that famous or talented. Just another self absorbed so-called artist.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 12:48 AM

Is this brooklynvegan or the Texas College Republicans club? The reactions on here are ass-backwards arch-conservative hogwash. Let me give a summary. If you are a woman and you take your clothes off ever, YOU ARE PROSTITUTING YOURSELF!! Even when you take a shower!! Never remove an article of clothing!!!! And if you defend someone who is scantily clad in a PERFORMANCE (meaning, something fictional and you shouldn't take it seriously), you are also A PROSTITUTE. Miley Cyrus is a no-talent from a gene pool of no-talents, but Sinead O'Connor is a clueless sad fucking idiot as well.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 1:04 AM

Funny. Amanda's nudity has never made me "pay attention."

Posted by Pam | October 4, 2013 1:06 AM

Dresden girls could have been as big as Miley if they made better music videos

Posted by D | October 4, 2013 1:12 AM

The question one must ask is why does anyone care what Miley Cyrus does or says? She just the next in a long line of low talent women using their bodies to sell their disposable music. Nothing new here whatsoever.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 1:14 AM

Amanda Palmer clearly didn't read the first letter where Sinead leaves room for it to be Miley's own misguided naïvety guiding these recent stunts.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 1:32 AM

Amanda Palmer is not saying getting naked is THE way for feminism. She is talking about allowing women, female performers in particular to experiment with their image in whatever way they deem fit without all this slut shaming from seemingly "intelligent" folk with degrees and shit.

And comparing record sales and conflating it with one's liberty to voice out an opinion?

*slow clap

Power to you Amanda for telling it like it is! *Goes listen to Dresden Dolls

Posted by BIddy | October 4, 2013 1:34 AM

Increasingly feminism appears to be cognitive dissonance writ large.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 1:36 AM

My Open Letters To Sinead O'Connor, Amanda Palmer, And Miley Cyrus

Dear Sinead,

You're a hasbeen - shut up.

Dear Amanda,

You're a neverwas and a wannabe - shut up.

Dear Miley,

You are a product of nepotism, nothing more, nothing less. You would've never snagged the Hannah Montana gig if your father wasn't Billy Ray Cyrus who Johnny Cash would laugh at if (Johnny) was still alive. You never worked for anything, it was all handed to you - Hannah, this new career your puppetmaster wannabe P.Diddy Pharrell Williams has created and that idiot winning four Grammys is living proof the Grammys is an artificial great musician factory.

Real simple:

Your "new career" and "new look" are calculated - they are by no means spontaneous. It is borne out of your Hannah Montana career ending and you trying to avoid the ex-Disney child star tag and having to live on your HM royalties and GASP! use that money to make music which comes from the heart which you have none of like your "idol" Britney Spears. You're all about being #1 which you are only because music industry desperately needs a new village idiot to get the most impressionable people on Earth (people 17 years old or younger) to pay attention to it moreover buy its slop.

Go listen to Siouxsie & The Banshees and hear a REAL voice.


Posted by D | October 4, 2013 1:51 AM

I never heard of Amanda Palmer until she got naked in a Flaming Lips video.

Posted by Thom Budsmann | October 4, 2013 2:02 AM

her fistula is pulsating and oozing slime

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 2:54 AM

The gov is in shutdown modus, your fucking country is about to turn in a shithole and you still discussing those attentionwhores. Please Ison , let our faces melt.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 3:53 AM

Here's my "closed letter" to everyone:

Dear everyone,

Sorry! We're closed!

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 4:48 AM

A NUN IS A MILLION TIMES MORE SEXY THAN ANYTHING

Posted by Jesus Christ | October 4, 2013 4:49 AM

Hahaha yep. You gonna lecture me how it's not cool to wanna fuck chicks over 49?

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 6:10 AM

body shamers fuck off

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 6:13 AM

pretty much everything out of fat lesbos mouths is bullshit.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 6:15 AM

Well you never know these days! There are some people out there that really do stand behind some questionable statements! Glad to know you were only kidding :P

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 6:17 AM

LMFAO @ the comments... And @ this chick's letter. It's cute that both Amanda Palmer (whoever the fuck that is) and Sinéad think Miley is an artist and a 'musician' who makes "great records" and has "talent" (these last two are Sinéad's words).. LOL!!

O'Connor is awesome though..

Posted by Thee Baddest Bitch | October 4, 2013 6:18 AM

alt babes came because they promoted this shit like crazy and alt babes don't actually care so much for the music as the scene. which is why there are so few at any nyc shows. they're there for a scene. ready to pose etc. twats.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 6:18 AM

Sinead made a conscious choice to leave or - avoid as much as possible - the conveyor belt of the pop industry and has been very successful in her own way and under her own conditions. If you only count success as being number one on charts of terrible music and having as much money as Madonna then you probably wont understand that.
I dont have the faintest idea who Amanda Palmer is but I didnt find this letter that bad. But the whole open letter thing is a joke.

Posted by Rose | October 4, 2013 7:08 AM

All a nigga want is some of that lip service
All a nigga want is some of that lip service

Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
What?
I got a stack for the freak show
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
What?
I got a stack for the freak show

Shorty on a molly, mmm prolly
I’m ridin’ with my niggas and we finna catch a botty
I check into the telly, you can just meet me in the lobby
Throw the horses on my portions and the horse on my Ferrari like vrrum bitch vrrum bitch
That DOA, they got sweepin’ with the broom bitch
I’m talkin murda on that pussy, I’m a goon bitch
You smithin that, you make it home by afternoon bitch
Smooth quick, that go whack
Bust it open, you gotta boyfriend
And will I fuck him? No
But you tell me he a sucka though
Tellin me listen I done suck a nigga dick or something, Bitch

Suck a nigga dick ho, Bitch
Suck a nigga dick ho
I got a stack for the freak show
I got a stack for the freak show

All a nigga want is some of that lip service
All a nigga want is some of that lip service

2 Chainz in these chains in this bitch ho..
Let me rephrase it

2 Chainz in your bitch ho, Bustin over instrumentals
Bust that pussy that pimples
Bustin like pistols, fuck it
I’m bustin that simple
I’m getting head while im ridin
Chauffeur drivin
If you turn around man your gonna get fired
All I spit is fire like a dragon
I love new pussy, I should’ve kept the tag on
Born to win and I’m built to last
When I had the Waka used to give him blast
Uh, In the bank like I’m finna lap
And when I left, all you see is some dealer tag
Leggo

Suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
What?
I got a stack for the freak show
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
What?
I got a stack for the freak show

All a nigga want is some of that lip service
All a nigga want is some of that lip service

Aye oh
I take ATL DOA, MIA it’s KOD
When you hear them albums back
I’ll be going straight OD
Straight OD, straight OG, you know that I ball ho
I got these bitches looking for me, you should call me Waldo
I tell er to bust it open, bust it like a hog ho
Throw the money in the air, something very far though
Did I leave? Did I leave?
My new chicken got my speed
I be getting ball player money like I’m in the league
In the league, all I want is lip service
I could kill that pussy, all you bitches gettin murdered
Swerving I bet they say
Top off and no tope
These haters say I’m too baked
Cuz I be swaggin hot new Js

Suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
What?
I got a stack for the freak show
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, suck a nigga dick ho
Yea, I got a stack for the freak show
What?
I got a stack for the freak show

All a nigga want is some of that lip service
All a nigga want is some of that lip service

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 7:10 AM

Most of these comments make me sad. Regardless of whether Amanda Palmer craves for attention/crowdfunds/rants/whatever (and regardless of whether Miley is a product or chooses to grind naked in her ridiculous video herself etc) the points she's trying to make are valid from a female standpoint. And instead of adding to the conversation, all the anonymous internet people (I assume most of them men?) who take the time to comment on this article throw things around like "slut", "fat lesbo", "you're not sexy Amanda/Sinead", etc etc which makes me feel all hope in humanity and reminds me that misoginy and sexism is alive and well and it's not just the property of right-wing/conservative/backwards men but also Brooklyn Vegan-reading, "liberal", "alternative indie rock" whatever people.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 8:35 AM

sinead / amandapalmer/ miley / gaiman / pope PARTY IN THE USA

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 8:47 AM

Quote:
"Sinead had one hit in 1990. Amanda Palmer had no hit ever. neither one is qualified in any way to discuss pop music. "

Actually, Amanda Palmer did have a hit. She was the lead singer of the Dresden Dolls when they hit with "Coin Operated Boy" in 2004.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 8:56 AM

Who the hell is Amanda Palmer??? Her Sinead worship thingy just creeps me out..I really question her taste in music.

Posted by Dekon | October 4, 2013 9:32 AM

4:41 wins.

Posted by not 4:41 | October 4, 2013 9:50 AM

Actually, Amanda did not have a hit. She never even charted on Billboard, according to the Dresden Dolls Wikipedia page. Spare me it charted in Australia and #12 is hardly a "hit".

Amanda Palmer is a publicity whore. She used the Boston Marathon bombing to plug her wack music and now she's piling on Miley from what Sinead said.

BTW who the fuck is Amanda Palmer to judge Miley or anyone else as being outrageous or whatever when (Palmer) once dressed like a Nazi soldier?

Posted by D | October 4, 2013 9:51 AM

Did 8:56 really compare a platinum single to a song that a bunch of 16 year old goths downloaded for free?

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 9:58 AM

OH MY GOD YOU ASSHOLES
why don't you actually read the goddamned letter & respond to what it's saying, because there are actually a shitton of valid points... rather than "ughh amander palmer publicity whore ughhh"

shut up and use your fucking brain.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 10:09 AM

Man you chicks have really gotten drunk from your own entitled bowl of fucked up kool aid. All you who defend this utter crap are nothing more than self obsessed little brats who think they should be treated like magical beings who shouldn't have to be responsible for anything in life because you're women. And when you are called upon it, it must be the evil men who are responsible for anything negative associated with such stupidity. Grow UP. Self indulgent, spoiled little narcissists who are jealous of men, want to be men, have rejected their own female instinctive identities, and then have the complete and utter audacity to blame us, act worse than us,think they manipulate us and giggle about it like silly little four year olds who kick their little brother in the legs and then smile about how powerful they felt from hurting him. You reject and eat your own children and then somehow blame it on us. Fucking tiresome. As tiresome as this illusion of empowerment our current state of media has to keep feeding you just to shut you up with your stupid insecurities about being a woman. Like every movie trailer or tv show HAS to show some wanna be tough girl kicking 250 pound mens asses all over the screen. Just so you can keep telling yourselves how strong you are. So dumb and ungrateful for the benefits of what men HAVE created for you. Somewhere along the way you think you deserve it without having to have earned it. Pathetic.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 10:16 AM

Is it possible that BOTH Sinead and Amanda raise valid and considered points in the hopes that a reader may then also at least consider the points made?

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 10:22 AM

You can't scream feminism and then openly call someone a prostitute. Also, where were the outrage when other celebs mocked Amanda/Britney etc? The hypocrisy is too much.

All of them are in the wrong here. Sinead, whoever she is, shouldn't have been so judgmental in her letter. Who the fuck knows what's happening in Miley's private life right now? The prostitute thing was also very uncalled for. Miley, bless her immature soul, should have just kept her mouth shut and went on about her life. Mental illness isn't something to make fun of. She should have known better.

The body-shaming comments in this article are disgusting as fuck. Hypocrites, to be hones.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 10:29 AM

Sorry, Amanda. I think you're way off. You don't need to try and read deeper artistic meaning into Miley's actions for her, and you certainly don't need to make it about feminism. People who claim to do so, speak for feminists that is, should really do their research and learn about the movements they presume to advocate. Otherwise all it does is trivialize the progress that others have worked so hard for. Miley is no feminist. And she's no victim. Regardless of her previous circumstances, she is old enough to take responsibility for herself.

Posted by Dvs | October 4, 2013 10:37 AM

These comments are real fucking sad. It's not that long. Just read it or kill yourself, because that'll be super fucking quick.

Posted by Anon | October 4, 2013 10:58 AM

Seriously, just shut the fuck up bitches.

Posted by God | October 4, 2013 11:07 AM

Thank you for articulating my thoughts on slut shaming women in this culture. Thank you for being so kind, and positive, and honest.

Posted by Kelly Baker | October 4, 2013 11:30 AM

Let Miley be Miley! People listen to her music and if they happen to be young girls who are poorly influenced by her actions of twerking or posing nude then so be it. It all starts with parent. In a time when every low life can easily procreate (yet able bodied same sex couples with well adjusted lives cant adopt easily, USA you suck!). IF you have shitty parents then you deserve to flaunt around your flat ass and show you're itty bitty titties for the benefit of those who like jacking to it. Billy Ray and his gold digger wife raised this poor girl and some producer is exploiting her. But why is that anyones problem?!? Sinead had the right to state her opinion because her own art was refrenced but there is no need to mother poor miley except in person. Have that conversation in person any open letter is useless especially for a disturbed young girl who is rebelling against her shitty parents and any adult figure. As far as Amanda...Nice try on latching on to a story to be somewhat relevant.

Now grow up and get back to work minions

Posted by D | October 4, 2013 12:04 PM

TLDR

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 12:44 PM

A. Sinead was refuting Miley's interpretation of her influence on her.
B. Buy Sinead's current album. It's just as good, aptly titled, "How About I Be Me (And You Be You)?"

Posted by Jen | October 4, 2013 1:32 PM

When you're so concerned with pointing out all of Amanda Palmer's flaws, you miss the point: she is promoting a message of artistic freedom and calling for women in particular to stop bullying each other into submission.

Clearly her message is relevant if you just take a 30-second look at all of the hateful language in this comment section.

Bottom line in my opinion: the American public is powerless to respond to an artist's "statements" and/or "music" with blog posts or open letters. As long as people buy, watch, and download her music, Miley can do whatever the hell she wants.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 1:34 PM

LEAVE MILIEY AND ANAMDA ALONE

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 1:41 PM

An Open Letter to Miley Cyrus and Amanda Palmer:

I'm sorry, as posts above have already stated, TL;DR. Actually, I wish that was entirely true. I skimmed. I found nothing too valid. I hate reading the musings of Amanda Palmer and anyone who feels otherwise probably has never read the musings of Amanda Palmer.

Sure, women should be able to express themselves. Everyone should. I'm all down for dressing how you want, acting how you want, and of course, nudity when you want. A body is a shell for what's inside it. I think you missed the point with what Sinead was saying though. Maybe you didn't really read her letter. It doesn't seem like you did.

If you're going to get naked and grind on a married man during a televised event and lick sledgehammers in a music video where you are implied to be nude and ride a wrecking ball and always revert to twerking and headbanging like it's some sort of weird newly acquired tic and THEN compare yourself to Sinead... well, yeah, Sinead has every right to call you a prostitute. She made art. She labored over her artistic vision. You are doing it for the cash flow that comes with it, for the daddy that got you into this... not for artistic integrity or even self expression. You have not shown a trace of intellect, compassion, genuinely good reasoning, or self worth. Your image is sloppy at best. Your fiance left you and you're too busy basking in the limelight to say anything but "Look at me! I'm SEXY. I'm AVAILABLE. I'm content. BUY ME." You are the definition of a whore.

Amanda, darling, you lovely, lovely talented soul... I'm sorry I can't even take you seriously. You faked your death just to make someone feel terrible, recorded the outcome, and used it on an album after this person's livelihood was cut short by addiction.

Look at how alternative you are. So edgy. Look at how you have to interject in a situation you weren't involved in, because you're SO ARTISTIC. Look at how your response letter is not written to Sinead at all - no, it's written to the rest of the world to show what a great feminist you are and how you're totes about body acceptance and your mom didn't like what you wore and you told her "fuck you" because you're so rebellious and look at you, you're doing a benefit show and you love Sinead so much. I'm sorry, the fact that you have had zero commercial success isn't because you're so groundbreaking. It's because you're a self congratulatory bitch who thrives in independent mediocrity and due to shortcomings and ugliness can't amount to anything more. Your fanbase was, is, and always will be 14 year old girls who are trying too hard and accidentally overplucked their brows.

Sorry if that's scathing, but let's remember that you're not special, your ego is huge, and you've exploited other artists (live shows), your dead ex boyfriend (bad album), the victims of the Boston Marathon Bombing (shitty poem), sexual assault victims (Oasis), the people who gave you 1 million dollars on kickstarter for an album (your recap of that spending is clearly fabricated)... and also, you suck and I hate you.

xoxo,
Reasonable Person on the Internets

Posted by Reasonable Person | October 4, 2013 1:43 PM

Wow. You people are mean. And ignorant. I picture you sitting in your living rooms, never having done a single thing of meaning in your lives, and angrily typing your ugly comments before you watch 2 more hours of teen porn and eat yourselves into a food coma so you can get to sleep and get up tomorrow and go to work under the florescent lights.

These women are all braver and offer more to the world than you ever will. They are strong and thoughtful and willing to put what they have out on the line even though they know that ugly little trolls are sitting under every bridge, and now the trolls have Internet.

I love this letter. It closes the book on this conversation for me. I love Sinead, and I enjoyed checking out Amanda's work, and some of the comments led me to the Dresden Dolls - I was raising a kid on my own in the 80s and 90s so was too busy to follow bands or keep up with edgy music. I've never listened to a Miley Syrus song on purpose but I'm sure she's a good pop singer. I didn't think her performance was great and I didn't think it was that big a deal. What shocked me is that a pretty young girl went on tv in shorts and a bra top and everyone FREAKED OUT! She isn't a whore. It wasn't porn. (except in your gross twisted minds) And even if was, so what? So what? You disgusting pigs create a market for porn and then you scream WHORE! when a girl takes her pants off? Fuck you. Very much.
#smallpenissmallmind
#mileyisnotawhore
#youwishyouhadhalfherballs

Posted by Annie | October 4, 2013 1:49 PM

I am glad Amanda wrote this in between Miley's letters else it would have been a bit off. While I understand her perspective in terms of allowing young people artistic space and the sad realities that women continue to have tighter boundaries than men, I think she fails to realise how young Sinead was when she was signed and I think it is not Miley's antics Sinead was talking to but the lack of responsible thought and action afterward. She may be pulling her own strings. i think Sinead was worried Miley was falling off her true artistic path and Amanda (who I adore) is assuming that ANYTHING goes in such pursuits. Her assumptions that the individual is in control of that journey when surrounded by the equivalent of public share holders is a bit naive.
By her own admission she was not with a label for long.
She may need to research Sinead's history a tad more than through her musical memories.
The attack on the mental health of Sinead and Amanda is not just poor taste but a genuinely nasty bit of bullying that crossed any concept of artistic requirements.

Posted by Dravid | October 4, 2013 1:56 PM

I'd "Palmer" that Amanda. Amirite? AMIRITE???

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 2:02 PM

I love everything about this letter! F*cking brilliant.

Posted by Double Engine | October 4, 2013 2:15 PM

That picture, I'm like, do I see camel toe? I don't think so, but can't tell...scintillating

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 2:18 PM

just wondering. Why is important to note what device you're using to type the letter and upcoming plans?

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 2:55 PM

Ok, I did not read the whole thing. But, is this lady seriously comparing herself over and over with Sinead O'Connor?!?! No one has even ever heard of her. I'm sure in her world she is VERY VERY famous.. but not the real world.

Posted by Twerklovr | October 4, 2013 3:15 PM

Amanda, thank you for writing a mature respectful and thoughtful piece. As for some of these comments...jeez

Posted by MzAgams | October 4, 2013 3:44 PM

I just feel so lucky that we males don't have to run around with our penises hanging out to be considered talented.

Posted by anony the mouse | October 4, 2013 4:07 PM

Miley and Amanda are incredibly talented magical beings. They will be remembered for generations for liberating women to be their true selves in doing what they do best.

Meanwhile a woman like Joni Mitchell is already long forgotten as she did not show her feminine assets and liberation but rather an old fashioned idea that writing good songs, being a nice person while standing her ground in her unique vision and being able to play guitar and sing with her own voice has any meaning for a woman in our culture.

Hooray Miley and Amanda! Let Freedom and Liberation ring!!

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 4:33 PM

Is this the same Sinead o'fucker that fucked/ fucks mostly married man with a wife and children. She's an evil bitch!!

Posted by Maryland | October 4, 2013 4:39 PM

Amanda Palmer is a great musician and also said exactly the right thing in response to O'Conner. I'm baffled by the comments here.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 5:03 PM

Me too. I am baffled by these responses. They are most likely coming from intelligent women with possibly real talent that can't get attention because they are not as fit as Miley Cyrus or has as beautiful as face as Amanda Palmer. Just jealous I guess.

I mean, if men can run around shirtless and shaking their asses in public without shame, why can't we?

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 5:15 PM

Well, the men in my office are constantly able to where low cut shirts, tight pants that show but crack, etc. without any shame. I feel this is a double standard. We women must fight back!

Posted by Feminist | October 4, 2013 5:19 PM

Today is National Taco Day.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 5:42 PM

No! You don't understand, you don't get it! Men don't have to show but crack and low cut dresses to get ahead in the office! They have to use talent and know how. This is male chauvinism at it's worst! It's a women's right to use what she is best at and valued for to get ahead in life, and what a women is best at is showing some skin and shaking some ass. Already women are moving up the corporate ladder more than ever and we all know why. We need Miley to lead the way!

Posted by A real woman! | October 4, 2013 5:54 PM

Y'all are seriously a bunch of judgmental haters - just because somebody's not famous enough for you, it doesn't mean what they have nothing of value to say.

Posted by WhenceTheTude | October 4, 2013 6:09 PM

Bitches should stay at home, raise the kids, and do what they are told.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 6:10 PM

who honestly gives a shit. Its selling out plain and simple. Nothing talented or truly amazing about Miley and her gong show.

Posted by alan serpa | October 4, 2013 6:20 PM

Can't we all just get along?

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 6:36 PM

TOGTFO

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 6:41 PM

DEAR GOD GIVE US BACK JERRY GARCIA IN RETURN WILL GIVE YOU MILEY CYRUS !!!

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 6:44 PM

i love amanda palmer and sinead . nuff said.

Posted by vicki | October 4, 2013 6:50 PM

Amanda Palmer is such an idiot. Christ, she needs to stop talking, she's embarrassing herself.

Posted by Goob | October 4, 2013 6:58 PM

I want to put my thick member into Amanda Palmer. Is that wrong?

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 7:13 PM

Where are Wendy O'Williams & the Plasmatics when we need her? Or how about Texas Terri & the Slits? Let's face it, these ladies were wayyyyy ahea dof Gaga and Miley- they were spitting gummy bears out of their twat for god sakes(YAY PUNK!) While I appreciate Everyone's viewpoint (except for Miley's "fuck all of you, 'cuz I'm a spoiled hillbilly slut" attitude!)...the aforementioned actually had something to say. something to write about, in the dark Reagan Era...) Miley's choices seem to have no bearing. I mean, Taylor Swift is hella more talented-plays instruments,sings, writes her own, AND turned down a giant contract at 16 to do things her way: with class! That shows integrity. Miley HAS NO TALENT.And a horse face,to boot.
Just sayin'... well, me(prof FEMALE studio musician in SF, CA.), and, WELL, Shakespeare: "The fool struts and frets his last hours on the stage, full of sound and fury-signifying NOTHING."

Posted by Wendy Ridgway | October 4, 2013 7:31 PM

^ yes, very much so. Neil Gaiman doesn't even go there.

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 7:32 PM

Miley isn't cut, she doesn't have taste, and she's not talented. If her last name wasn't Cyrus, we wouldn't be talking about it. No nude shot, strip show, or online sex video will ever change any of those things.

Posted by thedudeabides | October 4, 2013 7:33 PM

Wow!!! I read Amanda's letter (yes, all the way through) and thought...hooray!!! There is hope for this generation and for young women in general! I loved it! Wonderfully written and I agreed wholeheartedly with everything you said and I too want the kind of world you describe!!! A world of empowered women doing what they want for themselves.
And then...I started to read the comments and ,y heart sank once again! What a bunch of idiotic, vitriolic assholes! One after another they attack you for what? Most of them even admitting they never read your whole letter! Doesn't that just say it all!
Anyway, for what it is worth, I salute you Amanda Palmer! Keep up the good fight and continue to ignore those fucking dinosaurs who insist on telling you to change your clothes!!!! And, in case anyone wonders, I am a 65 year old father of a 22 year old daughter! And I am proud as hell of her and who she is!!!

Posted by Lindsay Bourne | October 4, 2013 7:47 PM

Well said AFP. I’ve always been a fan of O’Connor’s music, but I felt really reactive while reading her letter literally shaking my head, and yes that caused confusion in my body. I’m supposed to be on O’Connor’s side right? However, I think Amanda is aiming to give more power to the female performer in general, which is why I like her approach. Taking ones clothes off simply doesn't equal prostitution. Cyrus is no exception to what every other young female pop artist has done before her, and none of them were prostitutes either. I can appreciate O'Connor's sentiment, but unfortunately it gets lost in all the shaming and that's the part that really rubs me the wrong way. O’Connor’s tone is so hostile, and I was surprised by her emotionally charged conservative cynical omg-you’re-just-a-young-lady-THISWORLDWILLRUINYOU tone. It doesn’t come off as caring or empowering. It comes off as flat out condescending. Cyrus won't hear it at all; she’ll write it off. Like Amanda, I don’t think anyone’s in control other than Cyrus. “In other words, let's give our young women the right weapons to fight with as they charge naked into battle, instead of ordering them to get back in the house and put some goddamn clothes on.” Check yes for that one.

Posted by Mj | October 4, 2013 7:55 PM

Most of you who are commenting, why are you all assholes?

Posted by A real human being | October 4, 2013 7:59 PM

This letter made me cringe from beginning to end. I'm not sure how much she has matured from her high school days, but it doesn't sound like much has changed. This whole letter was about her, giving very little proof or reasoning other than her own experiences. I find it a very limited perspective on artistic work and feminism in general. And to say that all of us on this earth want to be having sex all the time and making it sounds like everyone wants to be sex pots and using there sex pot-ness to manipulate and seduce people is just sad. I mourn for the world if this is true. I as a woman would like to be seen as a person with true value, not manipulate with my "sexiness" until my dying days...

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 8:14 PM

fuck this shit amanda palmer i dont want my 13 year old daughter to fight for her freedom to twerk

Posted by chrissy | October 4, 2013 8:37 PM

i just don't think it's a big deal

Posted by apple jice | October 4, 2013 8:42 PM

Once again, mediocre talent Amanda Palmer pretends to be an "artist" equal to major talents like Sinead O'Connor.
The self-professed "blowjob queen" will do anything for attention: from a love poem to the Boston Marathon bomber to instructing Morrissey how to manage his career.
Naturally it's all public Sending a personal email would not make her the Kardashian of music that she is.
She not only demeans women she demeans humanity with constant craving for attention. She'll do anything for a headline but write a decent song. Oh yeah, I forgot, she is no longer a musician, she is now an author. Move over Neil Gaiman. Me Me Me is your "wife".

Posted by Jess Askin | October 4, 2013 8:50 PM

Okay, here is the thing about that, IMO. If Vanity did videos like this back in the day and other than the usual complaints about pimping Black female sexuality (valid) no one cared. Why? Because Prince acted freaky - FROM THE START. It shocked and surprised no one that his proteges were acting in sexually explicit ways.

Justin Timberlake was a Disney kid and now he is singing about "Can we discuss how fast you just got undressed" and I don't care. In fact I love it. Why? Because Justin transitioned from Disney to NSYNC to his own man with sexually explicit musical material.

Lady Gaga does naked this and nearly nude that and no one cares? Why? Because, again, she was coming out of the gate with all that stuff. Same as Madonna before her.

But you can't sell yourself to preteens. Let me repeat. You can not sell yourself to the PRE-TEEN crowd on Monday and then on Friday up and just start selling yourself to the strip club crowd. You have got to transition away from your Pre-teen audience. You OWE them that. They made you using disposable income that their parents gave them to spend on your products because the parents thought you were safe.

Look at Selena Gomez. She is using her acting career to transition into an image of an adult woman. She is edging away from her safe, pre-teen persona. With her movie roles she is signaling to parents "Hey, my Disney days are over now and I might not be as appropriate for your younger child as I was for your older child when she was your younger child's age now"

Miley disrespected the parents who gave her audience money to buy her stuff by doing a sudden 180. She betrayed her audience, pure and simple. And that is where the hate is coming from.

She should have edged away from her audience, not run away from it. I don't begrudge Miely her whore phase. She is young, she is beautiful, she is rich and she'll only be the first two things for a (cruelly and stunningly) brief amount of time. All she is doing is what Catholic school girls do once they get to university. But she is doing it on display and she needed to have been cognizant of that.

Posted by Adreana Langston | October 4, 2013 9:05 PM

Love. this is a super positive example to set re: respect and non-judgmentalism between women.

Posted by Drew | October 4, 2013 9:28 PM

Is Sinead one of the guys from Oxblood or Offensive Weapon?

Posted by Anonymous | October 4, 2013 9:48 PM

So can someone answer me this? I like AFP and try to keep up when I can but don't terribly often. So how does one that is absolutely annoyed by her manage to keep up on all the current events? I mean, if I don't pay attention I wouldn't know what had happened or not happened for months.

Why do you bother? How much of an effort are you making to be unhappy? Do you often go to a crappy bar just to complain about it instead of picking a different establishment that suits your taste? Jesus. It's Amanda F*cking Palmer not Lady Gaga.

So yes. #1 How? #2 Why?

Posted by Sarah | October 5, 2013 12:50 AM

my efforts to be happy are too often thwarted, but when I seek to attain true misery, I know that I cannot go wrong reading about Hannah Montana, Sinead O'Connor, or Amanda Palmer. How about they form a supergroup for the next Superbowl Halftime show? That way I can be happy and ignore all three of them at the same time. Unless God hates me and its Jets vs. Giants, then I hope that the government shutdown ends the NFL via Aryan Supremacist and / or terrorists seizing control of our country's nuclear arsenal.

Posted by 2fat2fap2fatfat | October 5, 2013 1:23 AM

AMEN !


`My role in society, or any artist's or poet's role, is to try and express what we all feel. Not to tell people how to feel. Not as a preacher, not as a leader, but as a reflection of us all.`
- John Lennon

Posted by remy zero | October 5, 2013 1:48 AM

i say the Real Problem is Western Adertizing ( the Cuture of Greed....)

Posted by remy zero | October 5, 2013 1:49 AM


And whenever I need that extra little push to gather enough misery to finally end it all, I'll make sure to go back here and read some of the comments.

Posted by anonymous | October 5, 2013 2:06 AM

So, in a means to come to some kind of resolution, Amanda Palmer shared her insight into what it means to be a female musician?

MAN, what an ASSHOLE, right?

You commenters sure do know how to be shitty people. Great job, anonymous internet, you changed the world today.

Posted by pip | October 5, 2013 2:29 AM

BOOOOOOOOORRIIIIIIIIIIINGGGGG!

Posted by Anonymous | October 5, 2013 2:45 AM

All I got from this was 'bloo bloo bloo referencing feminism when it has no place, bloo me me me me. Did I mention me yet? I'm such an awesome and talented artist. More unneeded feminism' while Palmer completely ignores that Miley was making fun of people for having mental illnesses. I'd tell you to keep it classy Amanda, but I'm pretty sure you don't know the meaning of the word.

Posted by Laura | October 5, 2013 2:53 AM

Hey, Amanda, tits or GTFO.

Posted by Spanky | October 5, 2013 3:13 AM

pip, you are a strong, independent commenter who don't need no man.

Posted by Anonymous | October 5, 2013 4:34 AM

i wonder what the first open letter was about.

Posted by philosophical ardiss | October 5, 2013 8:21 AM

Men rule the world. Period. Its hard work, so every once in a while we need to sit back, relax, and look at some fine, tight ass. Miley has a fine, tight ass. Twerk that thang.

Now shut up and go make me a chicken pot pie.

Posted by Anonymous | October 5, 2013 10:03 AM

Dear World,

I love you so much. Still, I have to say, I'm getting kind of annoyed at people writing open letters to one another. Can't we just go back to the days where there was some editorial board in charge of monitoring this shit? The world now just seems so fractured. And I just keep reading these open letters from one person to another. Do we even know what we're talking about anymore? What is twerking, anyway? Thank you, World, I love you so much. BTW I'm typing this all on my iPhone as I head to some show you should know about and attend.

Yours,
Rock God

Posted by Anonymous | October 5, 2013 10:43 AM

She wrote this all on her iphone? I think this is a publicity stunt...

Posted by Jessica | October 5, 2013 12:10 PM

this is all ego. O'Connor has seemingly been out of the public eye for awhile. anyone who sincerely wants to help someone doesn't write fuckin' open letters for all to see.

EGO....

Posted by Anonymous | October 5, 2013 12:40 PM

Well said...

Posted by vaness | October 5, 2013 1:52 PM

Volgens mij zijn het allebei twee domme wijven, wat jullie?

Posted by Maurice | October 5, 2013 1:52 PM

Guess I don't need to ever try to comment on anything here again, huh?

If you're going to run shit like this, don't be surprised when people dislike it.

Posted by Tom | October 5, 2013 5:00 PM

Miley Cyrus>People who talk about Miley Cyrus

Posted by Anonymous | October 5, 2013 5:41 PM

Shit, is this chick legal? I need to know if I have to feel bad about checking out her snatch.

Posted by Anonymous | October 5, 2013 5:43 PM

"Is this brooklynvegan or the Texas College Republicans club?"

Nicely said. As a commenter before me has noted, most of the people bashing Palmer never even bothered to read her letter.

Where is the compassion??

Posted by Svetlana | October 5, 2013 6:56 PM

Brilliant. This is not about Sinead or Miley. This is a brilliant essay addressing and encompassing the current issues in feminism and pop culture that are growing ever more confusing and difficult to maneuver. It takes courage to put your name to something, as well to stand for something. Reading the comments below is disparaging. One after another negative criticism from 'anonymous'. No face opinions mean nothing. If you took the time to read this letter and hear the passion and commitment behind it - which is OBVIOUS and APPARENT, (I have not even heard so much as one song from this Amanda Palmer, btw, this is not being written by a 'fan') you might want to include yourself in ANY conversation that could move something FORWARD in the world, rather than contributing to the vicious part of our culture. God forbid you ever stand up for something - see what you get. Amanda Palmer, you're a true leader, I don't even know you, but your words are ringing with wisdom and clarity. Thank you.

Posted by Angela Smithson | October 5, 2013 9:08 PM

So now Amanda Palmer is what passes for wisdom?

Jesus, the place is doomed.

Posted by Anonymous | October 6, 2013 1:07 AM

oh, Angela Smithson, if only you would listen to these wacky singers, you would not post the comment that you did.

Posted by Anonymous | October 6, 2013 3:04 AM

I think we won't be able to assess whether this is a Miley-doing-her-thing-knowingly-and-artistically thing or a Miley-doing-a-slightly-updated-Britney+Rhianna-before-bottoming-out thing for at least 12-24 months. We don't know her, or her reality, or how much she was, is or will be in control. I really hope she's captain of that ship. The odds are against it, but, I really hope that you turn out to be right.

Posted by Laura P | October 6, 2013 12:33 PM

Thank you for writing this letter. Comments like these are just proof of how more work there is for feminists to do!

Posted by L | October 6, 2013 3:07 PM

^fat chick

Posted by Anonymous | October 6, 2013 5:14 PM

Amanda,
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at how many people totally missed the point of your letter. I haven't. I am so fucking grateful for people like you who are willing for people to choose what they choose and not judge it. And to call to women to have each other's backs rather than try to tear each other down. You are a gift to this planet. Thank you.

Posted by Anonymous | October 6, 2013 6:27 PM

Oooooh Amanda you're so deep, Great song you're working on Amanda, That second chord change during the second verse could be better though, try just wearing your bra on stage tonight ! That's it, the song is perfect now ! Stop pretending to be a musician with this Jive ass bullshit, what the fuck does what you wear or not wear have to do with music. STOP insulting actual Musician/Artists and dragging them down to your level...you're just not a very good singer, songwriter or instrumentalist so just face it. stop pretending that there's something artistic about what Miley did, she's an untalented dipshit with enough Gall to walk out on stage and make a total ass of herself....That's it ! NO FUCKING ART THERE

Posted by Anonymous | October 7, 2013 9:12 AM

"We are all fragile humans with little time on this beautiful, sexually-charged, ecstatic planet. Let's share it to the fullest extent that we can and make the playing field for all of us the size of the whole earth."

Beautiful indeed...thanks for such a thought provoking and well articulated letter. To those who write such derisive comments I ask, "what's to be afraid of?".

Posted by roy | October 8, 2013 11:58 AM

Such a lot of small minded, spiteful comments in response to such a reasonable, respectful, well thought out letter. And if you've never seen an Amanda Palmer concert live, you've missed something really worthwhile. I only liked a couple of Dresden Dolls songs, but Amanda Palmer concerts are just fantastic. Great pianist, great performer.

Posted by mikhailovitch | October 11, 2013 6:18 AM

I'm totally on Amanda Palmer's side. While I think Sinead is genuinely concerned about Miley and that the music industry is one that can be destructive to one's life, I do think that Miley's her own handler. Miley's probably doing it more because she thinks it's cool rather than for any feminism reason, but hey she's doing what she wants with her own body.

Posted by Andrew Darwitan | October 14, 2013 10:43 PM

Love. this argument has been a challenge to women and our views and judgements of other women. we can't find the truth in a person through intolerance of obscurities and a preference for sameness - Amanda, Miley, and Sinead are all completely different artists making completely different music but should be allowed an open field to experiment however they wish. Also, how are people who haven't read this or explored the real content of the message so hateful? I've met neil and amanda and both are charming, well meaning, and insightful. "Don't be the guy who hates the movie without actually seeing the movie"

Posted by Jacy | October 18, 2013 1:50 PM

I think that Hannah Montana never got over the jealousy of her mom cheating on Billy Ray with Brett Michaels of Rock of Love. How could anyone go on after finding out that reality shows are entirely scripted?

Posted by Anonymous | October 20, 2013 4:34 AM

Amanda Palmer clearly has a mental disorder. She is the most repulsive, desperate and stupid human being I have ever met.

Amanda Palmer is tone-deaf, musically impaired and incapable of writing a memorable song. Her lyrics have all the depth of a toilet stall.

Over and over again, she tries to hitch her wagon to someone successful. Screaming all the while that anything she does, no matter how stupid and awful must be considered "art." Even pretending to kill herself to terrorize a boyfriend who latter committed suicide. That isn't art, Palmer, that is irresponsibility, cruelty and horror.

Well, humanity decides what art is you moron, and we have mutually decided that you suck as an artist and a human being.

Neil Gaiman must be deranged to marry this hideous monster. She is his nightmarish ID, running through the halls smearing the walls with feces.

Now, out of sheer desperation, Amanda Palmer is trying to latch onto Miley Cyrus?

Be prepared for a long, disturbing slide into oblivion as the unpopular, unsuccessful and untalented Palmer fixes her attention onto the next nubile musician like a vampire trying to suck life force out of their careers.

Amanda Palmer is a bottom feeder. She is trolling this thread using her trademark ghetto slang, arguing and insisting that her revolting antics are art.

Amanda Palmer is the shameful, shallow, underbelly of humanity, a soulless hellion who drives us all to despair at the wretchedness and foul degeneration of the human condition. She has no compassion or kindness or decency.

Don't listen to her, kids. You don't need to expose yourself. You don't need to scream and bathe in cum and write filth all over your body. You don't need to sext people or strip on the red carpet or mutilate your face or f**k in public or take pictures of yourself with your head in a toilet.

Learn your craft and make good art. Don't listen to this mewling, mockery of a human being because I can tell you first hand that Amanda Palmer is treading the path to utter despair and horror.

Don't follow her, you're better than that.

Posted by Harsh Truth | October 23, 2013 10:22 PM

Boring, wordy, bad grammar, run on sentences, trite, repetitive, stuffed with annoying oxymorons such as "loudly vulnerable," puerile, inane, sexually gross "starry-eyed hard-ons" and "Manipulate each other," disturbing, shallow, cloying, glad-handing, addled and sadly pathetic.

Out of all the many things Amanda Palmer sucks at, writing seems to be her personal rock bottom.

Posted by Riannon | October 24, 2013 3:37 AM

I read some of the feedback on here however I think that it’s a first-rate video clip. My older brother would like to get powerful with gals. He was taught a fuck load from a web page called Master Attraction. (Google it.) The support relating to attracting women from night clubs from Master Attraction got him his 1st intimate encounters in around 4 yrs. I’ve been irritated though coz I heard them all.

Posted by Rivka | November 1, 2013 1:12 PM

Celebrity culture has long threatened and shaped the public's concept of beauty. An increasing demand in "perfection" has affected girls like Miley. Being in the dental industry I can see how the public eye creates this pressure.

Posted by CDG | November 25, 2013 8:40 AM

Amanda Palmer is a whorish pig. Palmer and her creepy husband Neil Gaiman are in an open relationship so they can exploit their followers. So gross! Gaiman tries to f**k anything that moves. They really are human trash with no sense of ethics or integrity.

Posted by Mary Jane | November 27, 2013 4:52 AM

Amanda Palmer is funded by S.C.I.E.N.T.O.L.O.G.Y. The cult just tried to move her up the food chain by funding her album through Kickstarter donations in conspicuously large amounts of 5k. It was a one time deal that FAILED. Palmer cannot get a song on the radio to save her lame life. Gaiman and Palmer then had to appear at private gatherings to pay the Sceinos back. The attempt to legitimize Palmer was an utter failure and her talentless ass pulled Gaiman down into the drek where he will remain. Gaiman's mediocre talent can't hoist him above the revolting, classless mess that is Amanda Palmer.

Posted by soliel | December 13, 2013 7:12 PM

i love this letter, came back to it months after reading it the first time. <333

Posted by Somer | February 3, 2014 6:09 PM

Amanda Palmer is a transvestite. Big hairy dude.

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Posted by youjizz | March 19, 2014 5:45 PM

Screw you Amanda Palmer. I don't need a whorish pig who strips on a dime to lecture me about womanhood.

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