Posted in music on October 24, 2013

by Bill Pearis

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Things are going great for Morrissey whose new book is selling like crazy. The new Issue of NME, as you can see from its cover above, features "The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time." The UK music weekly picked these for the Top 10:

1. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
2. The Beatles - Revolver
3. David Bowie - Hunky Dory
4. The Strokes - Is This It
5. The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground
6. Pulp - Different Class
7. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
8. Pixies - Doolittle
9. The Beatles - The Beatles (White Album)
10. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Just keep in mind these are mostly British people making this list. Outkast's Stankonia is #500 if you were wondering, and the Top 50 are listed in this post. If you're wondering how NME came up with this list, here's what they said:
It means emailing a vast array of alumni from across the NME generations, from the sixties swingers through the hip young gunslingers of the 70s right up to today's troupe of rock'n'roll toreadors, and begging/bullying them to submit lists of their favourite fifty albums of all time. Some joined in, others were too busy/famous now, but we managed to gather together around 80 voters to submit lists, at which point the serious number-crunching began.
One of those 80 was '90s-era NME editor Johnny "Cigarettes" Sharp, who talked to The Quietus about how he came up with his ballot (and these kind of lists in general):
I and the rest of the NME alumni were simply told to vote for our 'favourite' albums - Ideally a top 50 but really anything we could rustle up by the following Monday.

And herein lies a flaw inherent in all such lists: The results are bound to be slanted towards the choices of the voters who they happen still to have contact details for, which will inevitably be the more recent contributors (Still, having first written for them over 20 years ago, they didn't do too badly tracking me down).

Inevitably, with the whole thing being a bit last-minute and no-budget, the votes were also those of individuals who could be arsed to sweat over a difficult task in their free time for no financial reward. Welcome to 21st century publishing.

The mag does have a sense of humor about all this. The bottom right corner of the cover has a picture of Morrissey saying "...until the next 500." NME is publishing the whole list -- in not annoying slideshow format -- throughout the day and you can click through 500 - 401, and 400 - 301 right now. Their top 50 are listed below....

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NME's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time
01. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
02. The Beatles - Revolver
03. David Bowie - Hunky Dory
04. The Strokes - Is This It
05. The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico
06. Pulp - Different Class
07. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
08. Pixies - Doolittle
09. The Beatles - The Beatles
10. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
11. Nirvana - Nevermind
12. Patti Smith - Horses
13. Arcade Fire - Funeral
14. David Bowie - Low
15. PJ Harvey - Let England Shake
16. Joy Division - Closer
17. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
18. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
19. Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
20. Radiohead - OK Computer
21. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
22. Blur - Parklife
23. David Bowie - The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars
24. The Rolling Stones - Exile On Main St. Street
25. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
26. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
27. Primal Scream - Screamadelica
28. Amy Winehouse - Back To Black
29. Television - Marquee Moon
30. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
31. Suede - Dog Man Star
32. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
33. Blur - Modern Life Is Rubbish
34. The Beatles - Abbey Road
35. Nirvana - In Utero
36. Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks
37. Love - Forever Changes
38. Sex Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks... Here's The Sex Pistols
39. The Clash - London Calling
40. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasure
41. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
42. Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
43. The Beatles - Rubber Soul
44. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
45. Blondie - Parallel Lines
46. Björk - Debut
47. The Smiths - Strangeways, Here We Come
48. Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love
49. LCD Soundsystem - Sound Of Silver
50. Dusty Springfield - Dusty In Memphis
51. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
52. The Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed
53. David Bowie - Station To Station
54. Talking Heads - Remain In Light
55. The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
56. Neil Young - After The Gold Rush
57. Kraftwerk - The Man Machine
58. Pixies - Surfer Rosa
59. Radiohead - In Rainbows
60. Massive Attack - Blue Lines
61. The Clash - The Clash
62. Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde
63. Joni Mitchell - Blue
64. Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
65. REM - Automatic For The People
66. Radiohead - The Bends
67. Oasis - (What's The Story) Morning Glory
68. Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
69. REM - Murmur
70. The Libertines - Up The Bracket
71. Neil Young - Harvest
72. Lou Reed - Transformer
73. Bob Dylan - Bringing It All Back Home
74. Nas - IIImatic
75. Green Day - Dookie
76. Daft Punk - Discovery
77. The White Stripes - White Blood Cells
78. Suede - Suede
79. Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue
80. Iggy And The Stooges - Raw Power
81. Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express
82. Carole King - Tapestry
83. The Band - The Band
84. Hole - Live Through This
85. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
86. Jeff Buckley - Grace
87. The Beatles - Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
88. Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure
89. Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill
90. The Streets - A Grand Don't Come For Free
91. Prince And The Revolution - Purple Rain
92. Super Furry Animals - Radiator
93. Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf
94. The Rolling Stone - Beggars Banquet
95. Talk Talk - Spirit Of Eden
96. Public Enemy - Fear Of A Black Planet
97. The Smiths - The Smiths
98. Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
99. The Libertines - The Libertines
100. The Smiths - Hatful Of Hollow
101. Kraftwerk - Computer World
102. The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin
103. The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
104. The Stooges - Funhouse
105. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
106. Led Zeppelin - IV
107. Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine
108. Weezer - Pinkerton
109. Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town
110. Fairport Convention - Liege and Lief
111. The Human League - Dare
112. GZA - Liquid Swords
113. Belle and Sebastian - If You're Feeling Sinister
114. Radiohead - Kid A
115. Teenage Fanclub - Bandwagonesque
116. The White Stripes - Elephant
117. ABC - The Lexicon of Love
118. Dexys Midnight Runners - Searching or the Young Soul Rebels
119. Pulp - His 'N' Hers
120. De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
121. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92
122. New Order - Technique
123. Blur - 13
124. Paul Simon - Graceland
125. James Brown - Live at the Apollo
126. Beastie Boys - Ill Communication
127. Ramones - Ramones
128. The Verve - Urban Hymns
129. Neil Young - On the Beach
130. Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
131. Michael Jackson - Thriller
132. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
133. John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band
134. PJ Harvey - Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea
135. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
136. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever to Tell
137. Blur - Blur
138. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
139. The Cure - Disintegration
140. Nick Drake - Bryter Layter
141. Bob Marley and the Wailers - Natty Dread
142. Serge Gainsbourg - Histoire De Melody Nelson
143. Bob Dylan - Desire
144. The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced
145. The Zombies - Odessey and Oracle
146. At the Drive-In - Relationship of Command
147. Frank Ocean - Channel Orange
148. Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska
149. Elliot Smith - Either/Or
150. The Streets - Original Pirate Material
151. PJ Harvey - Dry
152. Mercury Rev - Deserter's Songs
153. The La's - The La's
154. PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love
155. The Prodigy - Music For the Jilted Generation
156. Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We're Floating In Space
157. The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy
158. Wild Beasts - Two Dancers
159. Gang of Four - Entertainment!
160. Primal Scream - XTRMTR
161. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
162. The National - The Boxer
163. Neu - Neu '75!
164. Johnny Cash - At Folsom Prison
165. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Let Love In
166. Pulp - This is Hardcore
167. Aretha Franklin - Lady Soul
168. Portishead - Dummy
169. Dexys Midnight Runners - Don't Stand Me Down
170. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
171. Talking Heads - Fear of Music
172. Stevie Wonder - Songs in the Key of Life
173. Led Zeppelin - III
174. Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning
175. David Bowie - Young Americans
176. Rufus Wainwright - Want One
177. Mogwai - Young Team
178. The Coral - The Coral
179. Missy Elliott - Miss E...So Addictive
180. X-Ray Spex - Germ Free Adolescents
181. Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right to Children
182. Manic Street Preachers - Everything Must Go
183. OutKast - Speakerboxxx/The Love Below
184. MIA - Kala
185. Eric B and Rakim - Paid in Full
186. Jay-Z - The Blueprint
187. My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything
188. John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
189. Todd Rungren - A Wizard, A True Star
190. Pink Floyd - Piper At the Gates of Dawn
191. Elastica - Elastica
192. Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
193. Ryan Adams - Gold
194. Guns N' Roses - Appetite For Destruction
195. The Beatles - A Hard Day's Night
196. The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus
197. AC/DC - Back in Black
198. Prince - Sign O' The Times
199. The Boo Radleys - Giant Steps
200. The Breeders - Last Splash
201. The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour
202. Tricky - Maxinquaye
203. Beach House - Teen Dream
204. Michael Jackson - Bad
205. NWA - Straight Outta Compton
206. Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted
207. Janis Joplin - Pearl
208. Chic - Risque
209. Kate Bush - The Kick Inside
210. The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs
211. Grace Jones - Nightclubbing
212. Kings of Leon - Youth and Young Manhood
213. Funkadelic - One Nation Under a Groove
214. Air - Moon Safari
215. Massive Attack - Mezzanine
216. New Order - Power, Lies and Corrruption
217. Iggy Pop - Lust for Life
218. The Horrors - Primary Colours
219. The Jam - All Mod Cons
220. The National - Alligator
221. Marianne Faithful - Broken English
222. Fever Ray - Fever Ray
223. Arcade Fire - Neon Bible
224. Echo and the Bunnymen - Heaven Up Here
225. T Rex - Electric Warrior
226. The Doors - The Doors
227. John Lennon - Imagine
228. Pavement - Brighten the Corners
229. Public Image Ltd - Metal Box
230. David Bowie - Aladdin Sane
231. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
232. Leonard Cohen - The Songs of Leonard Cohen
233. Babyshambles - Down In Albion
234. Pet Shop Boys - Behaviour
235. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Murder Ballads
236. Suicide - Suicide
237. The xx - The xx
238. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Show Your Bones
239. Dizzee Rascal - Boy In Da Corner
240. Ian Dury - New Boots and Panties!!
241. Madonna - Ray of Light
242. Michael Jackson - Off the Wall
243. Joni Mitchell - The Hissing of Summer Lawns
244. Wild Beasts - Smother
245. Super Furry Animals - Fuzzy Logic
246. Nirvana - MTV Unplugged In New York
247. Glasvegas - Glasvegas
248. Eminem - The Slim Shady LP
249. Prodigy - The Fat of the Land
250. Weezer - Weezer
251. The Beach Boys - Surf's Up
252. Grimes - Visions
253. Pussy Galore - Exile on Main St
254. The Smiths - Meat is Murder
255. Metronomy - The English Riviera
256. Elvis Costello and the Attractions - This Year's Model
257. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - The Boatman's Call
258. Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left
259. Public Enemy - Yo! Bum Rush the Stage
260. The Specials - The Specials
261. Bob Marley and the Wailers - Live!
262. Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
263. Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can
264. The Beatles - Please Please Me
265. Hole - Celebrity Skin
266. Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head
267. Dr. Feelgood - Stupidity
268. Todd Rungren - Todd
269. The Horrors - Skying
270. The Kinks - The Village Green Preservation Society
271. The Velvet Underground - Loaded
272. Coldplay - Parachutes
273. Kanye West - The College Dropout
274. R.E.M. - Green
275. The Who - Quadrophenia
276. Echo and the Bunnymen - Ocean Rain
277. The Sunday - Reading, Writing and Arithmetic
278. The Slits - Cut
279. Captain Beefhart and his Magical Band - Trout Mask Replica
280. Aphex Twin - Drukqs
281. Elvis Costello - My Aim is True
282. Teenage Fanclub - Grand Prix
283. Roxy Music - Roxy Music
284. Fugazi - 13 Songs
285. Marvin Gaye - Midnight Love
286. Screaming Trees - Dust
287. Slayer - Reign In Blood
288. Stevie Wonder - Music of My Mind
289. The Modern Lovers - The Modern Lovers
290. The Bluetones - Expecting to Fly
291. The Byrds - Younger than Yesterday
292. The Cribs - The New Fellas
293. Aztec Camera - High Land Hard Rain
294. Klaxons - Myths of the Near Future
295. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle
296. David Bowie - Let's Dance
297. Can - Ege Bamyasi
298. Malcolm McLaren -
299. The Go-Betweens - 16 Lovers Lane
300. The Who - The Who By Numbers
301. Arthur Russell - World of Echo
302. Daft Punk - Homework
303. Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
304. The Orb - UFOrb
305. Rod Stewart - Every Picture Tells a Story
306. Bob Dyan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
307. Beck - Midnight Vultures
308. Lemonheads - It's a Shame About Ray
309. Metallica - Metallica
310. Steely Dan - Countdown to Ecstacy
311. Super Furry Animals - Guerilla
312. Cocteau Twins - Treasure
313. Tom Waits - Frank's Wild Years
314. Slint - Spiderland
315. Big Brother and the Holding Company - Cheap Thrills
316. Elvis Costello and the Attractions - Imperial Bedroom
317. Gram Parsons - Grievous Angel
318. Ice-T - OG Original Gangster
319. The Who - Who's Next
320. Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones
321. Doves - Lost Souls
322. LCD Soundsystem - This is Happening
323. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
324. R.E.M. - Life's Rich Pageant
325. Beck - Sea Change
326. Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear the Heart Beating As One
327. Beck - Mutations
328. The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
329. David Bowie - Heroes
330. Portishead - Third
331. MC5 - Kick out the Jams
332. Shack - HMS Fable
333. Paul McCartney and Wings - Band on the Run
334. The Avalanches - Since I Left You
335. Queens of the Stoneage - ...Like Clockwork
336. Neneh Cherry - Raw Like Sushi
337. Danger Mouse - The Grey Album
338. Notorious BIG - Ready to Die
339. Pearl Jam - Ten
340. Sister Sledge - We Are Family
341. Tom Waits - Closing Time
342. Spritualized - Lazer Guided Melodies
343. Bob Dylan - John Wesley Harding
344. Eels - Beautiful Freak
345. Elvis Costello - Punch the Clock
346. New Order - Low Life
347. Sonic Youth - Dirty
348. Whitney Houston - Whitney
349. Alt-J - An Awesome Wave
350. Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - BRMC
351. The Byrds - Sweetheart of the Rodeo
352. The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat
353. Mclusky - Mclusky Do Dallas
354. Isaac Hayes - Hot Buttered Soul
355. New York Dolls - New York Dolls
356. Pixies - Bossanova
357. Sugar - Copper Blue
358. Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
359. The Mothers of Invention - We're Only In it for the Money
360. The Strokes - Room on Fire
361. The Faces - A Nod is as Good as a Wink...the a Bliind Horse
362. Beastie Boys - Hello Nasty
363. Black Flag - Damaged
364. Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago
365. Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegatables
366. Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love and Hate
367. Metronomy - Nights Out
368. Radiohead - Hail to the Theif
369. St Vincent - Strange Mercy
370. The Cribs - Men's Needs, Women's Needs, Whatever
371. Beck - Odelay
372. Big Black - Atomizer
373. Curtis Mayfield - There's No Place Like America Today
374. Frank Sinatra - In the Wee Small Hours
375. Morrissey - Vauxhall and I
376. Sam Cooke - Live At The Harlem Square Club
377. Roy Harper - Stormcock
378. Wire - Pink Flag
379. Belle & Sebastian - The Boy With The Arab Strap
380. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
381. David Bowie - Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps)
382. Simon and Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water
383. The Long Blondes - Someone To Drive You Home
384. Elvis Presley - Elvis Presley
385. The White Stripes - Get Behind Me Satan
386. Gillian Wellch - Revival
387. The Clash - Combat Rock
388. Tim Buckley - Happy Sad
389. Le Tigre - Le Tigre
390. The Verve - A Northern Soul
391. Burial - Burial
392. Edan - Beauty and the Beat
393. Prince - Dirty Mind
394. Wire - Chairs Missing
395. The White Stripes - De Stijl
396. Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F.
397. Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt
398. Neil Young - Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere
399. Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds - The Lyre of Orpheus/Abattoir Blues
400. The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
401. Throbbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats
402. Mystery Jets - Twenty One
403. Bjork - Vespertine
404. Gene Clark - No Other
405. Otis Redding - Otis Blue
406. Queens of the Stone Age - Rated R
407. Ride - Going Blank Again
408. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
409. Can- Tago Mago
410. Interpol - Antics
411. Madvillain - Madvillainy
412. DJ Shadow - Entroducing...
413. Happy Mondays - Pills N Thrills and Bellyaches
414. The Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole
415. Chet Baker - Chet Baker Sings
416. Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavillion
417. Ash - 1977
418. Eels - Electro-Shock Blues
419. Spiritualized - Let It Come Down
420. A Tribe Called Quest - People's Instinctive Travels...
421. Big Star - Radio City
422. Dexys Midnight Runners - Too-Rye-Ay
423. The Who - Live at Leeds
424. U2 - The Joshua Tree
425. Nancy Sinatra and Lee Hazelwood - Nancy and Lee
426. Sonic Youth - Goo
427. Brian Eno - Here Comes the Warm Jets
428. Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA
429. Jimmy Eat World - Bleed America
430. Scott Walker - Scott 4
431. Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger
432. Tindersticks - Tindersticks
433. Dr. Dre - 2001
434. Prefab Sprout - Steve McQueen
435. Patti Smith - Easter
436. Battles - Mirrored
437. TV on the Radio - Dear Science
438. Kings of Leon - Aha Shake Heartbreak
439. The Futureheads - The Futureheads
440. Billy Bragg - Life's a Riot with Spy vs. Spy
441. ABBA - Arrival
442. Al Green - Al Green is Love
443. Bill Callahan - Sometimes I Wish We Were an Eagle
444. Depeche Mode - Violator
445. Fleetwood Mac - Tusk
446. Hot Chip - The Warning
447. David Bowie - Diamond Dogs
448. Suede - Sci-Fi Lullabies
449. Arctic Monkeys - AM
450. PJ Harvey - Rid of Me
451. Big Star - Third/Sister Lovers
452. The B-52′s - The B-52′s
453. The House of Love- The House of Love
454. Destiny's Child - The Writing on the Wall
455. Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend
456. Frank Sinatra - September of My Years
457. Goldfrapp - Black Cherry
458. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
459. Jay-Z - The Black Album
460. Nirvana - Bleach
461. Manic Street Preachers - Generation Terrorists
462. Metallica - Master of Puppets
463. The Breeders - Pod
464. Kings of Leon - Because of the Times
465. The National - High Violet
466. Wu-Tang Clan - The W
467. Iggy Pop - The Idiot
468. The Shins - Chutes Too Narrow
469. The Beach Boys - Holland
470. Kanye West - Graduation
471. MGMT - Oracular Spectacular
472. Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
473. The Verve - A Storm in Heaven
474. Fuck Buttons - Tarot Sport
475. Kurt Vile - Smoke Ring for My Halo
476. Foo Fighters- Foo Fighters
477. Crystal Castles- Crystal Castles
478. The National - Trouble Will Find Me
479. Throwing Muses - The Real Ramona
480. Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You
481. Brian Wilson - Smile
482. Billie Holiday - Lady in Satin
483. Elvis Costello & The Attractions - Blood and Chocolate
484. Bruce Springsteen - The River
485. Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid, M.A.A.D City
486. Bjork - Homogenic
487. The Jam - Sound Affects
488. Leonard Cohen - I'm Your Man
489. The Wedding Present - George Best
490. MC5 - Back in the USA
491. Pet Shop Boys - Actually
492. These New Puritans - Hidden
493. This Mortal Coil - Blood
494. The Cure - The Head on the Door
495. The Killers - Hot Fuss
496. Girls - Album
497. Daft Punk - Random Access Memories
498. Lou Reed - Berlin
499. Belly - Star
500. OutKast - Stankonia

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Comments (101)

lists are gay

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:18 PM

10. Oasis - Definitely Maybe

The NME is pure shite.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:18 PM

Surprised Oasis didn't make top 5 considering this is NME.

But could this list be more British-centric? No one but a bunch of dorks from England would think the Arctic Monkeys and Suede made some of the best albums of all time.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:21 PM

I think we can ALL agree that The Strokes at #4 is the most ridiculous past of this list. I cannot wrap my head around that one.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:21 PM

LCD is 49! Woot!

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:24 PM

This is why I haven't subscribed to NME for years- their heads are up their collective arses and their lists are always shite.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:26 PM

Sort of makes you appreciate the idiots over at Rolling Stone a little more, eh?

This one is just pure absurdity.

Bowie is 23, SIXTEEN places behind the Stone Roses. Think of this way, if this were a list of the greatest NY Yankees, Mantle would be 23 and Kevin Maas would be 7.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:27 PM

Definitely Maybe is crammed with incredibly dumb lyrics. It is not a top ten of all time album. I believe this top ten is supposed to be "The Best Albums Made By White People With Guitars" and even then where the fuck is London Calling? It's loads better than DM.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:30 PM

@1:27 - Bowie is also at #3?

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:31 PM

great album, but lists like this are stupid...

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:34 PM

When can I see the Terrorizer list?

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:35 PM

The Smiths are the worst fucking band ever created, the only thing humanity has given us that is worse are their superfans.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:37 PM

The great Bowie album is at 23. #3 is a joke.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:38 PM

i hate the fuckin smithes steve morrisie is such a fag

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:38 PM

This just in! Arctic Monkeys are better than the Stones, Floyd, Zeppelin, Sabbath, and a million other bands who are actually far superior than these bums. This list is so awful that it's too easy to point out its countless flaws. NME RIP

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:38 PM

Not even the best Smiths album.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:41 PM

My sister releases a top 100 list when she wants attention too

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:42 PM

Kanye made the list? #21 of all time? I'm just thinking about all the great hiphop albums that have come out before it and thinking "really?!?"
What's funny, is that if Kanye saw this list, he'd think his album should be in the top 5.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:43 PM

A lot of this may be different strokes for different folks, but I'm sure 24 & 29 are albums chosen strictly because some douche critics thought they had to in order to maintain cred. There are about 5 Rolling Stones albums better than Exile, and I defy anyone to listen to Television more for more than 10 minutes a year.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:44 PM

no quibble about 'the queen is dead.' really could've been any smiths album.

but the strokes and oasis should not be on the list because both bands suck. and suck bad.

1:38 - you're almost correct. arctic monkeys are certainly superior to led zeppelin, black sabbath (ugh) and pink floyd (well, everything after 'piper at the gates of dawn'). but i'm not sure about the rolling stones yet.

give 'em time, though. time is on the arctic monkey's side ;)

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:45 PM

Strokes at #4 lolololololol

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:46 PM

No!

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:51 PM

I love Bowie but no way does he have 3 of the top 25 albums EVER MADE

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 1:51 PM

These lists used to be valuable -- if not a bit excessively Anglophilic -- when Q and Mojo and NME would put them out around the decade mark. This list is just short of trolling. It's simultaneously out-of-date, unaware of history, and trying too hard to incorporate new(ish) music all at once. Forget arguing the order and selections (within selected artists), there are about 20 of their top 50 albums that don't even warrant "classic album" status by being filler-free. I can't even imagine some of the dreck that fills 51-500.

Posted by derek jeter | October 24, 2013 1:59 PM

lost me at #4; if Strokes album is 4th best of all time, we need to start over. nme needs to hire someone older than 24 to compile these lists.

Posted by anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:01 PM

The Strokes? A band that was a pale imitation of numerous infinitely better bands decades earlier? They were nothing more than a band of wealthy trust fund kids pretending to be something they weren't. Nauseating.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:02 PM

If Strokes is #4, time itself needs to start over. Wipe out the human race - we're done.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:03 PM

Most glaring wtf's:

The Strokes at 4
The fucking ARCADE FIRE above Radiohead, Beach Boys, Blur, etc.
Television (included simply for "cred")

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:04 PM

1:45- your response to 1:38 is a sociological experiment, right? You were trying to say the most incredibly stupid thing imaginable and waiting for responses? Just curious.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:04 PM

I could sort of understand if they had put one of the Joy Division albums as number one . . . . not that the Queens is Dead is a bad choice considering this is coming from NME. The Strokes, Kanye West, and LCD being ranked so high (or being in the list at all) makes me really wonder what is wrong with people these days.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:06 PM

yawn

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:07 PM

um, NO 2:04. no sociological experiment. no stupidity involved. only, of course, on the part of the masses who, for some reason, cannot grasp the lyrical and musical brilliance that is arctic monkeys.

led zeppelin and pink floyd are so very overrated and black sabbath is just BAD.

i hope all who disparage live long enough to see the arctic monkeys surpass all expectations and earn a top spot in the pantheon of rock bands. and i hope they have enough brain cells to remember when they hated on a band that blows away the competition old and new.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:15 PM

Pet Sounds at #26. lol

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:16 PM

I never for the life of me understood the Strokes hype. What am I missing?

Posted by AnonHUMMUS | October 24, 2013 2:18 PM

lol this is insane

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:21 PM

Perfect timing with this list, I just ran out of toilet paper

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:26 PM

Where's Ravi Shankar?

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:29 PM

how old was the cluck who put this together?? some brilliant music here but Kanye?? Blur?? Oasis?? Taste was in their ass here........

Posted by anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:29 PM

This is entertaining I guess. No Kinks in the top 50? They're as British as you can get.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:29 PM

19. Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
20. Radiohead - OK Computer

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:30 PM

This list is a Comedown Machine.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:32 PM

I'm sure MAD Magazine could come up with a better top albums list

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:32 PM

I got a semi-chub once in 1994 watching Days Of Our Lives home sick from school ( sick, hence the semi-chub; trust me: I'm bonerific generally) and it was better than this entire list.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:36 PM

Dumb click-bait list that got people talking about NME again. Did exactly what it was supposed to do.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:41 PM

Huey Lewis & The News "Sports" is better than the following albums on NME's embarrassingly bad top 50 records of all time. As you can see, I have omitted all The Beatles albums and the measly one The Rolling Stones album cuz they are the kings. All you have to know about this list is it has a pair of albums by The Smiths and a pair by David Bowie but only one album by The Rolling Stones and no album by The Who, Born In The USA by Bruce Springsteen, or Thriller by Michael Jackson (yes, Thriller was a rock 'n' roll album despite the heavy R&B sound) among other travesties in omission. Oh yeah, and The Strokes at #4 and four more albums after it and ahead of Nirvana's "Nevermind" LOL. Btw Beastie Boys "Paul's Boutinque" was a RAP album not a RNR album.

1. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
3. David Bowie - Hunky Dory
4. The Strokes - Is This It
5. The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground
6. Pulp - Different Class
7. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
8. Pixies - Doolittle
10. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
11. Nirvana - Nevermind
12. Patti Smith - Horses
13. Arcade Fire - Funeral
14. David Bowie - Low
15. PJ Harvey - Let England Shake
16. Joy Division - Closer
17. Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
18. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
19. Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
20. Radiohead - OK Computer
21. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
22. Blur - Parklife
23. David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars
25. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
27. Primal Scream - Screamadelica
28. Amy Winehouse - Back to Black
29. Television - Marquee Moon
30. Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
31. Suede - Dog Man Star
32. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
33. Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
35. Nirvana - In Utero
36. Bob Dylan - Blood on the tracks
37. Love - Forever Changes
38. The Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bullocks, Here's the Sex Pistols
39. The Clash - London Calling
40. Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
41. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
42. Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
44. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
45. Blondie - Parallel Lines
46. Bjork - Debut
47. The Smiths - Strangeways Here We Come
48. Kate Bush - Hounds of Love
49. LCD Soundsystem - Sounds of Silver
50. Dusty Springfield - Dusty in Memphis

Posted by D | October 24, 2013 2:46 PM

Public Enemy, Kayne West, Wu-Tang Clan = RAP

Bjork, Blondie = Dance

Bob Dylan = FOLK

Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye = Never had one definitive album, but songs across the ages. They'd definitely be in the top 500 RNR artists.

The Sex Pistols, The Clash, Television, Patti Smith, Blondie, Sonic Youth, but no Ramones???

What a fucking joke of a list on this alone.

Posted by D | October 24, 2013 2:52 PM

Arcade Fire is a joke.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:54 PM

D, NO ONE LIKES HUEY LEWIS AND THE NEWS

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 2:55 PM

Being older than 24 has nothing to do with it. I'm 24 and think this list is a fucking joke.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 3:01 PM

oasis? what the actual fuck is that shit?

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 3:03 PM

miss this website since i moved even further out to the middle of nowhere......no culture,art,music,opinions,etc. had to drive in to spend the day in the chicago suburbs to get some relief from the squidbillies. some cool observations here...................................

Posted by anonymous | October 24, 2013 3:34 PM

^ Totally. It's really too bad that computers can't get onto this website unless you live in NYC. (cue twilight zone music)

Posted by xTAINTx | October 24, 2013 3:36 PM

hey,the rent for the huge farmhouse is really cheap...............

Posted by anonymous | October 24, 2013 3:36 PM

The Strokes at #4? And to add insult to injury VU only gets #5? The Brits suck...

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 3:41 PM

mmm....."Quadrophenia" not on the list. The Pretenders 1st album missing, no Zeppelin, somebody else indicated no Kinks and the list could go on and on. Even more surprized no Hendrix.

Posted by anonymous | October 24, 2013 3:42 PM

so...........really, anybody out there at any age-what defines GREATEST of all time..........

Posted by anonymous | October 24, 2013 3:49 PM

ha... totally agree that Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not is better than Exile On Main Street

Posted by Max Horwich | October 24, 2013 3:56 PM

Amy Wine (and drugstore) House?? This broad made the list?? Over Annie Lenox?? Over Alison Moyet?? Even Toyah Wilcox?? Wow...........................

Posted by anonymous | October 24, 2013 4:05 PM

P0cke7 Fu77 0v Kryp70ni7e should have been number 1.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 4:21 PM

4:21- sad...just, sad.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 4:48 PM

the nme doesnt matter anymore - im serious. write out a list of the top 500 most influential people/magazines in music they're not going to be much higher than the bottom. everyone who listens to music is finding it elsewhere than in the nme, and the sad cunts who pay to have their bands featured on its pages are so obvious they might as well print £50 notes on every page intstead of the words and pictures. dont buy this crap

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 4:58 PM

2:55pm Bullshit. You're so jealous I got to hear them and all the shit you jock.

Posted by D | October 24, 2013 5:17 PM

@2:52 - Stevie Wonder's Innervisions and Songs In The Key of Life could both easily be considered his definitive albums. Talking Book is a very close 3rd. What's Going On is clearly Marvin Gaye's best album.

Both of them had countless great singles as well, but you can't say neither ever recorded a definitive album.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 7:31 PM

cure- disintegration or gtfo

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 9:38 PM

Only 7 of the top 10 are english. The english never fail. Racist.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 11:31 PM

SO the most recent artists/band is Arcade Fire-Funeral? Yeah, rock and roll is dead. It's been almost a decade since that album has been released.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 11:38 PM

Sound of Silver is wanker music so that shouldn't be included. Not even as recent or anything. That fat fuck is a shit tit.

Posted by Anonymous | October 24, 2013 11:41 PM

^ I love how Brits curse.

Wanker
Shit Tit
Buggerall
Bloody
Fackin
Rotter
Blimey

What else?


Posted by D | October 25, 2013 12:18 AM

Oh those silly Brits. Not even the best Beatles, PJ Harvey, Smiths or Bowie albums.

Posted by Anonymous | October 25, 2013 2:38 AM

so they tease us with this obvious troll, just to get us to come back and see if their 500 album list includes the glaring omissions. I will not be bothered.

Posted by Anonymous | October 25, 2013 7:37 AM

Re: the strokes - their dad owns a record label. They admit that their list is influenced by factors like this. Imagine if you knew someone with their own record lable, I don't mean some little shit who had a 7 inch made with daddy's money, I mean a real label with offices and secretaries. I bet that you would put your buddy's kids on the list. If you still won't admit that, it just proves that you are not a true rock critic writer, and have no connections inside the biz. Sucks to be you, loser.

Posted by Anonymous | October 25, 2013 7:52 AM

reminds me of those yearly rolling stone top guitarist lists that always end up like this...
1) jimi hendrix
2) eric clapton
3) jimmy page

Posted by Anonymous | October 25, 2013 9:34 AM

Strokes #4 is silly.. and no Radiohead - OK Computer in the Top Ten?

Posted by Anonymous | October 25, 2013 3:47 PM

Dischord Records never had or will have an office or a secretary.

'Love how you denigrate independent record labels which put out 7"s.

Ever heard of Sub Pop Records? No Sub Pop, no Nirvana "Nevermind" - figure it out shithead.

Posted by D | October 25, 2013 4:11 PM

pet sounds

Posted by Anonymous | October 25, 2013 4:21 PM

No Guns in Roses appetite for destruction in the top 50 what a bunch of shit . Arcade fire sucks bigfoots dick...

Posted by hate your list | October 25, 2013 4:49 PM

^ Appetite... isn't top 50 but it certainly is top 500 (whatever number you want to give it) but I hear ya.

Fleetwood Mac "Tusk" but no Fleetwood Mac "Rumours".

Only one album by The Who at #277.

No Chicago.

Rap albums.

This list is a fuckin' joke.

Posted by D | October 25, 2013 5:21 PM

horseshit.


I stopped reading when I saw Dexy's Midnight Runners.

Posted by Anonymous | October 25, 2013 9:36 PM

^ that's what I'm saying, and what they are admitting, that he's on the list by proxy. the Dexys guy, I think his name is Kevin Rowland, he had his hit, then he was blasting coke with all the british critics for years, so they remember him fondly. Nobody would pay attention to the current day Dexys without the cute woman.

and to the dipshit who just can't leave my comment alone with the weakest possible rebuttal, Nirvana was not big with sub pop, they had to kiss Geffen's ass once sub pop sold them to him like a used up crack ho. who got paid the most? not the band. maybe courtney.
as for bringing up dischord, they don't have anything on this list, so my point stands that you put who you want on the list, and that is biased as such. and no matter how many units discohord move, awards and lists are made by people who have made their livelihoods depend upon bands without being in them themselves. obviously, even with 500 titles, there is much to disagree with, but they admit that it has to leave things out. so you get lots of kings of leon and strokes instead.

Posted by Anonymous | October 25, 2013 11:06 PM

This list is overly brit-centric and highly questionably as all lists are. And yet, the Strokes at #4 still stands out in its ridiculousness.

Posted by Anonymous | October 25, 2013 11:23 PM

No worries, this list was part of Morrissey-NME settlement.
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2007/11/stephen_morriss.html

Posted by Anonymous | October 26, 2013 3:43 AM

Absurd. Ryoji Ikeda not in the top 10??

Posted by Anonymous | October 26, 2013 3:44 AM

and to the dipshit who just can't leave my comment alone with the weakest possible rebuttal, Nirvana was not big with sub pop, they had to kiss Geffen's ass once sub pop sold them to him like a used up crack ho. who got paid the most? not the band. maybe courtney."

Hey fuckface you're the dipshit. You denigrated record labels which put out 7"s and I merely schooled your dumb ass by saying Nirvana started on one of those labels, that label being Sub Pop without which they don't get signed to Geffen Records. I could care less about Sub Pop's dealings. Bottom line is without a record label that put out 7"s moreover was/is independent, Nirvana don't get a shot at the so-called "big time" (deal with Geffen etc.) Grohl, Novoselic, and the Cobain Estate never had to worry about money again even before Cobain killed himself, so cry me a fuckin' river about Sub Pop. Everyone came out aces in that deal (Nirvana, Geffen, Sub Pop.)

"as for bringing up dischord, they don't have anything on this list, so my point stands that you put who you want on the list, and that is biased as such. and no matter how many units discohord move, awards and lists are made by people who have made their livelihoods depend upon bands without being in them themselves."

Your point is what? My bone of contention with you is you denigrated independent record labels with your "piece of shit label who put out a 7" like Dischord who started out putting out 7"s.

Posted by D | October 26, 2013 4:07 PM

Invalid list. LOL what a joke.

Posted by Michael | October 26, 2013 4:32 PM

The VU and Nico stand alone in a category by themselves. Everything else comes after them.

Posted by Anonymous | October 26, 2013 4:45 PM

^ The Beatles and The Rolling Stones do not come after The VU, stop.

Posted by D | October 26, 2013 4:50 PM

Dark Side of the Moon at 132??? What the F%$#??
this is SHIT

Posted by Kiran | October 27, 2013 9:04 AM

Bush, Golden Earring, and Black Oak Arkansas all need to be in the top 10.

I'd squeeze in Art Brut at # 11. Top Of the POPS !!

Posted by Anonymous | October 27, 2013 12:14 PM

4:50

The VU were the single most influent band in R'n'R, bar none.

Like Eno said "even tho the VU only sold 30,000 records early on, every single one of those 30,000 who bought a record started a band."

Posted by Anonymous | October 27, 2013 2:49 PM

Not one Husker Du or Pogues album on this shitshow of a list?

Posted by Dikface Listmaker | October 30, 2013 10:36 PM

10 Bowie albums is gratuitous considering the Velvet Underground, Lou Reed and Roxy Music only merited two albums each, not to mention the Bowie list includes dubious entries such as Diamond Dogs, Young Americans and Let's Dance. No Mott the Hoople is also a grievous oversight.

There's more to '70s British rock than every studio album Bowie released that decade. Roxy's Stranded and Country Life and Mott's All the Young Dudes and Mott albums are all more artful and heartfelt than anything Bowie recorded between Aladdin Sane and Station to Station. Lou Reed's New York is also sorely missing.

Finally, no Ramones? They were the original US punk band and their Rocket to Russia album is as enduring and listenable as any punk album to come out of the UK.

Posted by Jack Wernick | November 1, 2013 3:53 AM

The list, to me, is no different from the 2003 Rolling Stone list.

Claiming it has British bias is completely fair: it does, and it also reflects the biases of the early NME writers who came of age when Europe’s culture was totally transformed by punk, AC/DC and Motörhead (why then are Motörhead completely absent??).

However, the worst problem is inconsistency. A huge number of genres are scratched and not dealt with carefully, such as:

– MOR (Whitney Houston, but no-one else)
– jazz (the obligatory Davis, Coltrane and Mingus, but not their contemporaries Ayler, Coleman, Sun Ra etc. etc.)
– alternative rock (Television, Black Flag, Big Black, but no Hüsker Dü, Minor Threat, Minutemen, Misfits, Stereolab, Royal Trux, Morphine, Godspeed You Black Emperor etc. etc.)
– soul (James Brown, Stevie Wonder, but P-Funk scratched barely and no Sly Stone - where is ‘Stand’ and the underrated ‘Life’??)
– metal (Metallica, Slayer, but no Pantera, Sepultura, Type O Negative, Meshuggah)
– Krautrock (Can, Neu! but no Faust or Popol Vuh)

Many artists on the list are treated in a manner that seems odd to say the least.

Posted by Julien Peter Benney | November 9, 2013 10:54 PM

This list is a 30 something year old posting his ipod playlist according to his taste , I noticed there is no regard for chronological importance,Recent imitators are higher up than the originators my guess is they found out about those bands first .. they discovered velvet underground through the strokes .. or Joy Divison becuase that dude in Interpol was sporting an "unkowm pleasures" shirt .

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2013 10:25 AM

Wheres the Cro-Mags ?!?!?!?!

Posted by Anonymous | November 17, 2013 10:26 AM

I mean, appearances by the Strokes and Oasis that high on the list immediately disqualify the merit of this thing, sorry.

Posted by Steve Van Etten | November 17, 2013 6:59 PM

Dude, you are a bunch of grouch wipe imbeciles. It's a subjective favourites list based on an average tally of votes from 80 hackneyed has-been writers. It wins because you people take it seriously enough to have fervid arguments about it for a month. Geeks

Posted by Anonymous | February 26, 2014 7:24 PM

The Queen is Dead is rightfully placed!

The lesser known track "Cemetry Gates" is the best song ever in my very humble yet confident and arrogant opinion ;)

Julian Casablancas' solo album, Interpol's Interpolantics, anything by Led Zeppelin, the Shins' Wincing the Night Away, David Bowie's Hunky Dory ...all belong near the top.

Bands that are absolute crap are The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Kanye West, and The Eagles. If you like these bands you are wired a bit different to say the least. The masses most often love what they can understand...pure twaddle.

Honorable mentions go to Jimi Hendrix, ELO, Roxy Music, and Van Halen for guilty pleasure arena rock.

My obscure favorite is Neon Indian.

Blur, Oasis, etc etc are not really worth mentioning imo.

Radiohead...Yawn.

Most forgotten and underrated: the Kinks.

Those are my very random thoughts.

Posted by John | April 2, 2014 5:42 AM

I can't believe you all take a top 500 list so seriously. anyone who's actually seen a copy of the NME knows that it's for 13 year olds (it has been since it merged with melody maker/smash hits mag in 2000). The music industry and printed media was ruined by the internet in 2000 so now I guess they wank each other off to make money from dumb kids and NY vegans (not).

Posted by Matt | April 8, 2014 4:58 AM

No one but a bunch of dorks from England.
i hate the fuckin smithes steve morrisie is such a fag (celibate, maybe cos of you).
No Kinks in the top 50? They're as British as you can get.
Bjork, Blondie = Dance
The Brits suck…
The english never fail. Racist.
they discovered… Joy Divison becuase that dude in Interpol was sporting an "unkowm pleasures" shirt .
No Guns in Roses appetite for destruction in the top 50 what a bunch of shit
No Guns in Roses appetite for destruction in the top 50 what a bunch of shit
No Guns in Roses appetite for destruction in the top 50 what a bunch of shit

Bahhh. Get a passport.

Posted by Matt | April 8, 2014 5:25 AM

The Beatles, just a band.
The Rolling Stones, just a band…
Thou shalt not buy the NME.
I think these are lyrics from a song that was popular 10 years ago in the UK and NY is playing catch up, blondie isn't dance music, and even if it was you who actually calls anything 'dance music' anymore???

I wish there were US equivalents of NME, Sounds, Melody Maker, Smash Hits so we could hear some lists from the US. But judging by the way this list mimics those in "Top 100 albums... ever" books I doubt it would differ. Their american book publishers anyway so I find it weird that you'd even care about our rubbish music (and this list is a 'naughty bastard' list meant to throw tossers with no passion for music off the scent). All we can learn from this is that the same people who own the rights to these bands are the same as those who ruin the world by subconsciously turning us into cultural bigots. Sorry.

Posted by Anon | April 8, 2014 5:51 AM

lol, be as dirty as you wish, i too, am an asshole who has a general dislike for people so i get it, i am very crude rude and dont care what anyone thinks, so i presume we will get along!!!!!!!

Posted by Peita | October 23, 2014 2:16 PM

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